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24th Jun '16 4:27:18 PM UltimateLazer
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* Music/SleighBells has Derek E. Miller who plays all the instruments, produces the albums, writes the songs, and basically does all the heavy lifting, but is completely overshadowed by Alexis Krauss, who only sings. This is a bit odd, since the band is well-known for the amazing instrumentation used to create all sorts of wild sounds. Given that a female lead singer of a band almost always overshadows the rest of the group unless there are other girls in it, this is obvious, although having a MsFanservice as the lead singer can count for a lot.

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* Music/SleighBells has Derek E. Miller who plays all the instruments, produces the albums, writes the songs, and basically does all the heavy lifting, but is completely overshadowed by Alexis Krauss, who only sings. This is a bit odd, since the band is well-known for the amazing instrumentation used to create all sorts of wild sounds. Given that a female lead singer of a band almost always overshadows the rest of the group unless there are other girls in it, it or there's a male that [[VocalTagTeam also sings]], this is obvious, although having a MsFanservice as the lead singer can count for a lot.
24th Jun '16 3:08:19 PM LaptopGuy
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* An in-movie example occurs as a running gag in ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc''. Whenever Mike appears in the media he is always covered up by something, like the barcode of a magazine or the company logo in a commercial. (Meanwhile, Sullivan is always front and center.) Whenever this happens, Mike initially appears shocked but then talks excitedly about being in print/on TV, never even noticing the unfortunate circumstances.

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* An in-movie example occurs as a running gag in ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc''. Whenever Mike appears in the media he is always covered up by something, like the barcode of a magazine or the company logo in a commercial.commercial, or in the [[WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity prequel]] where his student ID photo cut off at his forehead. (Meanwhile, Sullivan is always front and center.) Whenever this happens, Mike initially appears shocked but then talks excitedly about being in print/on TV, TV/being a college student, never even noticing the unfortunate circumstances.



* Ask any person about who was in Music/{{Nirvana}} and they will pretty much forget Krist Novoselic. Kurt Cobain is almost equally as famous as his own band, Dave Grohl formed Music/FooFighters and escaped what would have otherwise been a fade into obscurity.

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* Ask any person about who was in Music/{{Nirvana}} and they will pretty much forget Krist Novoselic. While Kurt Cobain is almost equally as easily the band's most famous as his own band, member (DeadArtistsAreBetter may have had something to do with it), Dave Grohl formed Music/FooFighters and escaped what would have otherwise been a fade into obscurity.



* Music/LadyGaga's decline in popularity, going from being the proclaimed "Queen of Pop" to just another act who's only known for "being weird", had this as the exact cause in 2013. After the massive success of ''Born This Way'' she took a two year break, but when she was supposed to make her return to rule, she fell flat on her face. Simply put, between Music/MileyCyrus shocking the world with her "good girl gone bad" act in the summer, Music/{{Lorde}} taking the world by storm in the fall, Music/{{Beyonce}} ruling the winter with her surprise album, and Music/KatyPerry continuing her success throughout, Gaga simply couldn't find room to generate any buzz. Considering that her whole appeal ''relies entirely on buzz'', that is very bad. The meteoric rise of female newcomers like Music/ArianaGrande, Music/IggyAzalea, Meghan Trainor, and the aforemetioned Lorde, followed by Music/TaylorSwift's successful transition to pure pop was the final nail in the coffin. She's no longer the "Queen of Pop", she's just a former pop-star who can't catch a break, being forced to switch over to ''critical'' success.

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* Music/LadyGaga's decline in popularity, going from being the proclaimed "Queen of Pop" to just another act who's only known for "being weird", had this as the exact cause in 2013. After the massive success of ''Born This Way'' she took a two year break, but when she was supposed to make her return to rule, she fell flat on her face. Simply put, between Music/MileyCyrus shocking the world with her "good girl gone bad" act in the summer, Music/{{Lorde}} taking the world by storm in the fall, Music/{{Beyonce}} ruling the winter with her surprise album, and Music/KatyPerry continuing her success throughout, Gaga simply couldn't find room to generate any buzz. Considering that her whole appeal ''relies entirely on buzz'', that is very bad. The meteoric rise of female newcomers like Music/ArianaGrande, Music/IggyAzalea, Meghan Trainor, Music/MeghanTrainor, and the aforemetioned Lorde, followed by Music/TaylorSwift's successful transition to pure pop was the final nail in the coffin. She's no longer the "Queen of Pop", she's just a former pop-star who can't catch a break, being forced to switch over to ''critical'' success.



* Music/SleighBells has Derek E. Miller who plays all the instruments, produces the albums, writes the songs, and basically does all the heavy lifting, but is completely overshadowed by Alexis Krauss, who only sings. This is a bit odd, since the band is well-known for the amazing instrumentation used to create all sorts of wild sounds. Having a MsFanservice as the lead singer can count for a lot.
* Mark Ronson is a very successful producer in the UK, but never had a hit in the US until 2014/15 with "Uptown Funk!". Unfortunately, outside the UK he was completely stuck in the shadow of its featured vocalist, global pop superstar Music/BrunoMars, and it's almost universally seen as Mars' song rather than Ronson's. His name is literally a footnote, and even the music video put all attention on Mars with Ronson only making cameos. As a result, Ronson himself had so little momentum coming out of the song that its parent album ''Uptown Special'' was a colossal failure outside the UK and Ronson [[OneHitWonder never set foot on a non-British singles chart again]]. (A similar situation has happened with the Music/{{Amy Winehouse}}-sung "Valerie", although it was nowhere near as bad as with "Uptown Funk!")

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* Music/SleighBells has Derek E. Miller who plays all the instruments, produces the albums, writes the songs, and basically does all the heavy lifting, but is completely overshadowed by Alexis Krauss, who only sings. This is a bit odd, since the band is well-known for the amazing instrumentation used to create all sorts of wild sounds. Having Given that a female lead singer of a band almost always overshadows the rest of the group unless there are other girls in it, this is obvious, although having a MsFanservice as the lead singer can count for a lot.
* Mark Ronson is a very successful producer in the UK, but never had a hit in the US until 2014/15 with "Uptown Funk!". Unfortunately, outside the UK he was completely stuck in the shadow of its featured vocalist, global pop superstar Music/BrunoMars, and it's almost universally seen as Mars' song rather than Ronson's. His name is literally a footnote, and even the music video put all attention on Mars with Ronson only making cameos. As a result, Ronson himself had so little momentum coming out of the song that its parent album ''Uptown Special'' was a colossal failure outside the UK and and, aside from a credit on an A$AP Rocky song that scraped the bottom of the charts for one week, Ronson [[OneHitWonder never set foot on a non-British singles chart again]]. (A similar situation has happened with the Music/{{Amy Winehouse}}-sung "Valerie", although it was nowhere near as bad as with "Uptown Funk!")



* The other bloke out of Wham, who at the start had equal billing in a two-boy BoyBand with a then-starting-out Creator/GeorgeMichael. George's career went stellar. The other bloke's [[note]]Andrew Ridgely. Andrew ''who''? Exactly. [[/note]] ''didn't''.

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* The other bloke out of Wham, who at the start had equal billing in a two-boy BoyBand with a then-starting-out Creator/GeorgeMichael. George's career went stellar. The other bloke's [[note]]Andrew Ridgely.Ridgeley. Andrew ''who''? Exactly. [[/note]] ''didn't''.



* Male American professional soccer players are hit by this ''hard''. On the home front, they're almost completely overshadowed by the women, especially after their enormous rise in popularity following their victory in the 2015 World Cup. When it's strictly men's soccer being discussed, the American players are barely a blip on the radar compared to some of the South American and European superstars like David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Lionel Messi. In fact, while most people, American or not, who aren't die-hard soccer fans will be hard-pressed to name even ''one'' male soccer star from the States, there are inversely little-to-no well known U.S.-known international soccer stars on the female side. This lack of American male success is probably why soccer is generally considered to be "[[AmericansHateTingle hated]]" [[SoccerHatingAmericans in America]].

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* Male American professional soccer players are hit by this ''hard''. On the home front, they're almost completely overshadowed by the women, especially after their enormous rise in popularity following their victory in the 2015 World Cup. When it's strictly men's soccer being discussed, the American players are barely a blip on the radar compared to some of the South American and European superstars like David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Lionel Messi. In fact, while most people, American or not, who aren't die-hard soccer fans will be hard-pressed to name even ''one'' male soccer star from the States, there are inversely little-to-no well known U.S.-known international soccer stars on the female side. This lack of American male success is probably why soccer is generally considered to be "[[AmericansHateTingle hated]]" [[SoccerHatingAmericans in America]].
22nd Jun '16 7:28:19 PM nombretomado
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* Kotetsu T. Kaburagi/Wild Tiger serves as an example in ''TigerAndBunny'''s ShowWithinAShow, [=HeroTV=]. While they do about the same amount of work as a hero team, it's Barnaby Brooks Jr. that gets all the publicity, interviews, photoshoots, fans and credit. This is taken to its logical conclusion in the thirteenth episode when [[spoiler:Kotetsu pulls a BatmanGambit that allows Barnaby to take down Ouroboros terrorist Jake Martinez]], and the public completely ignores his contribution to the fight. He's naturally a bit annoyed by this.

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* Kotetsu T. Kaburagi/Wild Tiger serves as an example in ''TigerAndBunny'''s ''Anime/TigerAndBunny'''s ShowWithinAShow, [=HeroTV=]. While they do about the same amount of work as a hero team, it's Barnaby Brooks Jr. that gets all the publicity, interviews, photoshoots, fans and credit. This is taken to its logical conclusion in the thirteenth episode when [[spoiler:Kotetsu pulls a BatmanGambit that allows Barnaby to take down Ouroboros terrorist Jake Martinez]], and the public completely ignores his contribution to the fight. He's naturally a bit annoyed by this.
18th Jun '16 9:54:37 PM FlakyPorcupine
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* Tim Yeung, when he joined Music/MorbidAngel. There's not much debate whether or not he is a skilled or famous drummer, but the guy he was filling the shoes for? [[LeadDrummer Pete Sandoval]], who is the TropeCodifier for DeathMetal drumming. Unfortunately for Yeung, he was destined for ReplacementScrappy status from the word go.
11th Jun '16 1:33:29 AM erforce
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* Diddy Kong from the original ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry''. He can do everything Franchise/DonkeyKong can do, with the exception of defeating a specific kind of enemy (Krusha), and is even far superior in some aspects such as running faster, swimming more precisely, and making long jumps better. You could beat the entire game playing as Diddy alone and probably have an easier time of it. However, canonically, he's Donkey Kong's "wannabe sidekick" and didn't get his chance to shine until the sequel ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry2DiddysKongQuest'', where he was in turn overshadowed by his newbie companion...

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Diddy Kong from the original ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry''.''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry1''. He can do everything Franchise/DonkeyKong can do, with the exception of defeating a specific kind of enemy (Krusha), and is even far superior in some aspects such as running faster, swimming more precisely, and making long jumps better. You could beat the entire game playing as Diddy alone and probably have an easier time of it. However, canonically, he's Donkey Kong's "wannabe sidekick" and didn't get his chance to shine until the sequel ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry2DiddysKongQuest'', where he was in turn overshadowed by his newbie companion...



* Thanks to ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIII Xande]] has become this in favor of Cloud of Darkness. This is despite Xande was the BigBad for most of the game, while Cloud of Darkness was a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere that didn't appear to have much involvement until the very end.

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* Thanks to ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIII Xande]] has become this in favor of Cloud of Darkness. This is despite Xande was the BigBad for most of the game, while Cloud of Darkness was a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere that didn't appear to have much involvement until the very end.
9th Jun '16 10:48:27 PM gewunomox
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** This is also a general philosophy of many bass players, that you should play in such a way that it provides a framework for the guitarist, singer, and keyboardist to do their stuff without distracting the audience. Essentially if you're doing your job well no one knows you're there, until you flub, disconnect from the mix, what have you, and then your absence is immediately noted. See [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OMGgqXCLVw this video]] of FranzFerdinand.

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** This is also a general philosophy of many bass players, that you should play in such a way that it provides a framework for the guitarist, singer, and keyboardist to do their stuff without distracting the audience. Essentially if you're doing your job well no one knows you're there, until you flub, disconnect from the mix, what have you, and then your absence is immediately noted. See [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OMGgqXCLVw this video]] of FranzFerdinand.Music/FranzFerdinand.
4th Jun '16 9:04:42 PM gewunomox
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* Guitarist Andy Summers and drummer Stewart Copeland of ThePolice were largely overshadowed by bassist/singer/songwriter Sting. Oddly enough, whilst they didn't receive the same individual credit, the band as a whole was far more popular than Sting's solo career.

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* Guitarist Andy Summers and drummer Stewart Copeland of ThePolice Music/ThePolice were largely overshadowed by bassist/singer/songwriter Sting. Oddly enough, whilst they didn't receive the same individual credit, the band as a whole was far more popular than Sting's solo career.
28th May '16 11:05:18 AM AgProv
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* The other bloke out of Wham, who at the start had equal billing in a two-boy BoyBand with a then-starting-out Creator/GeorgeMichael. George's career went stellar. The other bloke's [[note]]Andrew Ridgely. Andrew ''who''? Exactly. [[/note]] ''didn't''.
16th May '16 10:33:20 AM LaptopGuy
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* The 2010s saw a massive revival of teen heartthrobs and boy bands in the pop music world. Dozens and dozens have aimed for commercial success, but only two have actually become worldwide megastars: Canadian pop-R&B singer Music/JustinBieber and British-Irish boy band quintet Music/OneDirection. The only other acts to have had achieved success, though not to the same extent, during the decade were Australian pop-punk group Music/FiveSecondsOfSummer and Canadian singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes. Compare that to the glut of acts who have fallen flat on their face in their attempts to break through, such as JLS, Mindless Behavior, Cody Simpson, Greyson Chance, Jacob Latimore, Union J, District 3, [=Emblem3=], Midnight Red, IM5, Austin Mahone, Conor Maynard, Jake Miller, The Vamps, Rixton, Troye Sivan, and perhaps most embarrassingly, Series/BigTimeRush and Music/TheWanted, [[HollywoodHypeMachine who were being pushed especially hard]]. All of these acts, with the exception of the American ones, had their popularity limited to their home country.

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* The 2010s saw a massive revival of teen heartthrobs and boy bands in the pop music world. Dozens and dozens have aimed for commercial success, but only two have actually become worldwide megastars: Canadian pop-R&B singer Music/JustinBieber and British-Irish boy band quintet Music/OneDirection. The only other acts to have had achieved success, though not to the same extent, during the decade were Australian pop-punk group Music/FiveSecondsOfSummer and Canadian singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes.Music/ShawnMendes. Compare that to the glut of acts who have fallen flat on their face in their attempts to break through, such as JLS, Mindless Behavior, Cody Simpson, Greyson Chance, Jacob Latimore, Union J, District 3, [=Emblem3=], Midnight Red, IM5, Austin Mahone, Conor Maynard, Jake Miller, The Vamps, Rixton, Troye Sivan, and perhaps most embarrassingly, Series/BigTimeRush and Music/TheWanted, [[HollywoodHypeMachine who were being pushed especially hard]]. All of these acts, with the exception of the American ones, had their popularity limited to their home country.
8th May '16 2:24:13 PM LaptopGuy
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* Mark Ronson is a very successful producer in the UK, but never had a hit in the US until 2014/15 with "Uptown Funk!". Unfortunately, outside the UK he was completely stuck in the shadow of its featured vocalist, global pop superstar Music/BrunoMars, and it's almost universally seen as Mars' song rather than Ronson's. His name is literally a footnote, and even the music video put all attention on Mars with Ronson only making cameos. The situation got so bad to the point that the song's parent album, ''Uptown Special'' was a colossal failure outside the UK and Ronson [[OneHitWonder never set foot on a non-British singles chart again]]. (A similar situation has happened with the Music/{{Amy Winehouse}}-sung "Valerie", although it was nowhere near as bad as with "Uptown Funk!")

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* Mark Ronson is a very successful producer in the UK, but never had a hit in the US until 2014/15 with "Uptown Funk!". Unfortunately, outside the UK he was completely stuck in the shadow of its featured vocalist, global pop superstar Music/BrunoMars, and it's almost universally seen as Mars' song rather than Ronson's. His name is literally a footnote, and even the music video put all attention on Mars with Ronson only making cameos. The situation got As a result, Ronson himself had so bad to little momentum coming out of the point song that the song's its parent album, album ''Uptown Special'' was a colossal failure outside the UK and Ronson [[OneHitWonder never set foot on a non-British singles chart again]]. (A similar situation has happened with the Music/{{Amy Winehouse}}-sung "Valerie", although it was nowhere near as bad as with "Uptown Funk!")


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* A similar case to "Uptown Funk!" happened with "The Hanging Tree" by James Newton Howard featuring Creator/JenniferLawrence from ''Film/TheHungerGamesMockingjayPart1''. Despite being the lead artist, Howard was completely overshadowed by Lawrence, to the point that even ''Billboard'''s articles on the song's chart run used titles such as "Jennifer Lawrence Debuts on Hot 100" and barely made Howard a footnote. Since Lawrence is an A-list celebrity actress and Howard is a movie composer not even as known as the likes of Music/JohnWilliams and Music/HansZimmer, this was inevitable.
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