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9th Feb '16 7:58:06 PM potatohawk
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* Most fans of UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball agree that this has happened with Peyton and Eli Manning, two brothers who play at quarterback for different teams in the NFL. It's just a question of who's stuck in whose shadow that tends to start a few arguments. Peyton is clearly the better of the two players, having had to carry multiple teams by himself in a few big games, but he has a reputation as a choke artist in the playoffs, making it to the UsefulNotes/SuperBowl three times and only winning once. On the other hand, Eli is far less accurate in throwing and has had multiple losing seasons, but has shown flashes of real brilliance, winning the Super Bowl both times he's appeared, including against the at-the-time [[DefeatingTheUndefeatable undefeated New England Patriots]]. It comes down to a debate over whether "consistently good" or "subpar with occasional streaks of excellence" is better, one that will probably continue long after both brothers have retired.
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* Most fans of UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball agree that this has happened with Peyton and Eli Manning, two brothers who play at quarterback for different teams in the NFL. It's just a question of who's stuck in whose shadow that tends to start a few arguments. Peyton is clearly the better of the two players, having had to carry multiple teams by himself in a few big games, but he has a reputation as a choke artist in the playoffs, making it to the UsefulNotes/SuperBowl three four times and only winning once.twice. On the other hand, Eli is far less accurate in throwing and has had multiple losing seasons, but has shown flashes of real brilliance, winning the Super Bowl both times he's appeared, including against the at-the-time [[DefeatingTheUndefeatable undefeated New England Patriots]]. It comes down to a debate over whether "consistently good" or "subpar with occasional streaks of excellence" is better, one that will probably continue long after both brothers have retired.
9th Feb '16 7:50:53 PM LaptopGuy
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* A similar scenario happened with girl groups: Music/FifthHarmony and Music/LittleMix have overshadowed all the other 2010s girl groups in their respective home countries. The less-popular group in each country is the only other one to really have a major following. * Music/LadyGaga's decline in popularity, going from being the proclaimed "Queen of Pop" to just another act who's only known for "being weird", had this as the exact cause in 2013. After the massive success of ''Born This Way'' she took a two year break, but when she was supposed to make her return to rule, she fell flat on her face. Simply put, between Music/MileyCyrus shocking the world with her "good girl gone bad" act in the summer, Music/{{Lorde}} taking the world by storm in the fall, Music/{{Beyonce}} ruling the winter with her surprise album, and Music/KatyPerry continuing her success throughout, Gaga simply couldn't find room to generate any buzz. Considering that her whole appeal ''relies entirely on buzz'', that is very bad. The meteoric rise of Music/ArianaGrande, Music/IggyAzalea, And Meghan Trainor, and Music/TaylorSwift's successful transition to pure pop was the final nail in the coffin. She's no longer the "Queen of Pop", she's just a former pop-star who can't catch a break, being forced to switch over to ''critical'' success.
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* A similar scenario happened with girl groups: American Music/FifthHarmony and British Music/LittleMix have overshadowed all the other 2010s girl groups in their respective home countries. The less-popular group of the two in each country is the only other one to really have a major following. following there. While both of them are easily bigger than anyone in the aforementioned "failure" group of males (at least in their home countries), but ''far'' below Bieber/1D levels, they're really not that far off from where 5SOS and Mendes are. * Music/LadyGaga's decline in popularity, going from being the proclaimed "Queen of Pop" to just another act who's only known for "being weird", had this as the exact cause in 2013. After the massive success of ''Born This Way'' she took a two year break, but when she was supposed to make her return to rule, she fell flat on her face. Simply put, between Music/MileyCyrus shocking the world with her "good girl gone bad" act in the summer, Music/{{Lorde}} taking the world by storm in the fall, Music/{{Beyonce}} ruling the winter with her surprise album, and Music/KatyPerry continuing her success throughout, Gaga simply couldn't find room to generate any buzz. Considering that her whole appeal ''relies entirely on buzz'', that is very bad. The meteoric rise of female newcomers like Music/ArianaGrande, Music/IggyAzalea, And Music/IggyAzalea, Meghan Trainor, and the aforemetioned Lorde, followed by Music/TaylorSwift's successful transition to pure pop was the final nail in the coffin. She's no longer the "Queen of Pop", she's just a former pop-star who can't catch a break, being forced to switch over to ''critical'' success.
6th Feb '16 7:05:02 PM LaptopGuy
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* The 2010s saw a massive revival of teen heartthrobs and boy bands in the pop music world. Dozens and dozens have aimed for commercial success, but only two have actually become worldwide megastars: Canadian pop-R&B singer Music/JustinBieber and British-Irish boy band quintet Music/OneDirection. The only other acts to have had achieved success, though not to the same extent, during the decade were Australian pop-punk group Music/FiveSecondsOfSummer and Canadian singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes. Compare that to the glut of acts who have fallen flat on their face in their attempts to break through: JLS, Mindless Behavior, Cody Simpson, Greyson Chance, Jacob Latimore, Series/BigTimeRush, Music/TheWanted, Union J, District 3, [=Emblem3=], Midnight Red, IM5, Austin Mahone, Conor Maynard, Jake Miller, The Vamps, Rixton, and Troye Sivan, just to name a few.
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* The 2010s saw a massive revival of teen heartthrobs and boy bands in the pop music world. Dozens and dozens have aimed for commercial success, but only two have actually become worldwide megastars: Canadian pop-R&B singer Music/JustinBieber and British-Irish boy band quintet Music/OneDirection. The only other acts to have had achieved success, though not to the same extent, during the decade were Australian pop-punk group Music/FiveSecondsOfSummer and Canadian singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes. Compare that to the glut of acts who have fallen flat on their face in their attempts to break through: through, such as JLS, Mindless Behavior, Cody Simpson, Greyson Chance, Jacob Latimore, Series/BigTimeRush, Music/TheWanted, Union J, District 3, [=Emblem3=], Midnight Red, IM5, Austin Mahone, Conor Maynard, Jake Miller, The Vamps, Rixton, and Troye Sivan, just and perhaps most embarrassingly, Series/BigTimeRush and Music/TheWanted, [[HollywoodHypeMachine who were being pushed especially hard]]. All of these acts, with the exception of the American ones, had their popularity limited to name their home country. * A similar scenario happened with girl groups: Music/FifthHarmony and Music/LittleMix have overshadowed all the other 2010s girl groups in their respective home countries. The less-popular group in each country is the only other one to really have a few.major following.
6th Feb '16 5:44:20 AM TokyoByNight
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, Music/{{Evanescence}}, and ''maybe'' Music/DrowningPool (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who failed to have that same success such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, Music/{{Evanescence}}, and ''maybe'' Music/DrowningPool (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). also had success, but not to the same extent. Compare this to the glut of acts who failed to have that same success such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Martyr AD, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Nonpoint, Mushroomhead, Shuvel, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
5th Feb '16 10:53:07 AM LaptopGuy
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who failed to have that same success such as Coal Chamber, Drowning Pool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, Music/{{Evanescence}}, and Music/{{Evanescence}} ''maybe'' Music/DrowningPool (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who failed to have that same success such as Coal Chamber, Drowning Pool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
5th Feb '16 4:39:13 AM TokyoByNight
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who failed to have that same success such as Coal Chamber, Music/DrowningPool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who failed to have that same success such as Coal Chamber, Music/DrowningPool, Drowning Pool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
5th Feb '16 4:35:45 AM TokyoByNight
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, Music/DrowningPool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their have that same success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, Music/DrowningPool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
5th Feb '16 4:34:05 AM TokyoByNight
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, Music/DrowningPool, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
4th Feb '16 9:51:46 AM LaptopGuy
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Music/{{Lostprophets}}, Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Music/{{Sevendust}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Stereomud, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Systematic, Injected, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, hed (p.e.), Music/{{Lostprophets}}, Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep...
27th Jan '16 8:47:42 AM BigBertha
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, Lostprophets, Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep... * The 2010s saw a massive revival of teen heartthrobs and boy bands in the pop music world. Dozens and dozens have aimed for commercial success, but only two have actually become worldwide megastars: Canadian pop-R&B singer Music/JustinBieber and British-Irish boy band quintet Music/OneDirection. The only other acts to have had achieved success, though not to the same extent, during the decade were Australian pop-punk group Music/FiveSecondsOfSummer and Canadian singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes. Compare that to the glut of acts who have fallen flat on their face in their attempts to break through: JLS, Mindless Behavior, Cody Simpson, Greyson Chance, Jacob Latimore, Big Time Rush, The Wanted, Union J, District 3, [=Emblem3=], Midnight Red, IM5, Austin Mahone, Conor Maynard, Jake Miller, The Vamps, Rixton, and Troye Sivan, just to name a few. * Music/LadyGaga's decline in popularity, going from being the proclaimed "Queen of Pop" to just another act who's only known for "being weird", had this as the exact cause in 2013. After the massive success of ''Born This Way'' she took a two year break, but when she was supposed to make her return to rule, she fell flat on her face. Simply put, between Music/MileyCyrus shocking the world with her "good girl gone bad" act in the summer, Music/{{Lorde}} taking the world by storm in the fall, Music/{{Beyonce}} ruling the winter with her surprise album, and Music/KatyPerry continuing her success throughout, Gaga simply couldn't find room to generate any buzz. Considering that her whole appeal ''relies entirely on buzz'', that is very bad. The meteoric rise of Music/ArianaGrande, Music/IggyAzalea, And Meghan Trainor, and Music/TaylorSwift's successful transition to pure pop was the final nail in the coffin. She's no longer the "Queen of Pop", she's just a former pop-star who can't catch a break.
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* NuMetal was often seen as the most commercially profitable genre of metal during it's prime, with numerous acts gaining massive commercial success. In reality, this only applied to a handful of bands. Namely Music/{{Korn}}, Music/{{Deftones}}, Music/LimpBizkit, Music/{{Slipknot}}, Music/{{Disturbed}}, Music/{{Godsmack}}, Saliva, P.O.D., Music/LinkinPark, Music/PapaRoach, and Music/{{Evanescence}} (and Music/SystemOfADown, if you consider them nu metal). Compare this to the glut of acts who completely failed to gain any commercial momentum, had their success cut short, or became a one-hit wonder such as Coal Chamber, 36 Crazyfists, Alien Ant Farm, Guano Apes, Crazy Town, Skrape, Twisted Method, Skindred, Static-X, Flaw, Cold, Dry Kill Logic, Kittie, Machine Head, Lostprophets, hed (p.e.), Music/{{Lostprophets}}, Ra, Trapt, Lifer, Otep... * The 2010s saw a massive revival of teen heartthrobs and boy bands in the pop music world. Dozens and dozens have aimed for commercial success, but only two have actually become worldwide megastars: Canadian pop-R&B singer Music/JustinBieber and British-Irish boy band quintet Music/OneDirection. The only other acts to have had achieved success, though not to the same extent, during the decade were Australian pop-punk group Music/FiveSecondsOfSummer and Canadian singer-songwriter Shawn Mendes. Compare that to the glut of acts who have fallen flat on their face in their attempts to break through: JLS, Mindless Behavior, Cody Simpson, Greyson Chance, Jacob Latimore, Big Time Rush, The Wanted, Series/BigTimeRush, Music/TheWanted, Union J, District 3, [=Emblem3=], Midnight Red, IM5, Austin Mahone, Conor Maynard, Jake Miller, The Vamps, Rixton, and Troye Sivan, just to name a few. * Music/LadyGaga's decline in popularity, going from being the proclaimed "Queen of Pop" to just another act who's only known for "being weird", had this as the exact cause in 2013. After the massive success of ''Born This Way'' she took a two year break, but when she was supposed to make her return to rule, she fell flat on her face. Simply put, between Music/MileyCyrus shocking the world with her "good girl gone bad" act in the summer, Music/{{Lorde}} taking the world by storm in the fall, Music/{{Beyonce}} ruling the winter with her surprise album, and Music/KatyPerry continuing her success throughout, Gaga simply couldn't find room to generate any buzz. Considering that her whole appeal ''relies entirely on buzz'', that is very bad. The meteoric rise of Music/ArianaGrande, Music/IggyAzalea, And Meghan Trainor, and Music/TaylorSwift's successful transition to pure pop was the final nail in the coffin. She's no longer the "Queen of Pop", she's just a former pop-star who can't catch a break.break, being forced to switch over to ''critical'' success.
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