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17th Jan '17 8:21:11 PM merotoker
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* In the beginning of ''ComicBook/{{Champions 2016}}'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Ms. Marvel]] quits the ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentAvengers after a fight between the team and the Wrecking Crew lead to a lot of collateral. She calls out the team for abandoning it instead of helping trying to reestablish people's livelihoods. However, as [[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]] points out, they don't have Stark around anymore to help in that department, so leaving is the only thing they ''can'' do.

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* In the beginning of ''ComicBook/{{Champions 2016}}'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Ms. Marvel]] quits the ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentAvengers after a fight between the team and the Wrecking Crew lead led to a lot of collateral. She calls out the team for abandoning it instead of helping trying to reestablish people's livelihoods. However, as [[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]] points out, they don't have Stark around anymore to help in that department, so leaving is the only thing they ''can'' do.



* In ''Film/BillyMadison'', Eric is supposed to be a CorruptCorporateExecutive who merely wants to run Madison Hotels. However, he ''is'' right when he points out that the company's fifty-thousand employees are not likely to have jobs for very long if the president makes his drunkard son (who only graduated because his father bribed his teachers) president of the company. Notably, before Billy strikes a deal to graduate legitimately, this actually ''does'' temporarily convince Billy's father to hand the reins over to Eric. It's also noteworthy that, after some CharacterDevelopment, Billy himself concludes that he's not cut out for the management of a large company and turns it over to Carl, who is both competent and not a {{Jerkass}}.
** As for Eric losing his cool and drawing a gun in the climax, remember that he just lost the chemistry competition due to the judges accepting that Billy was able to freeze a ''boot''.

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* In ''Film/BillyMadison'', Eric is supposed to be a CorruptCorporateExecutive who merely wants to run Madison Hotels. However, he ''is'' right when he points out that the company's fifty-thousand employees are not likely to have jobs for very long if the president makes his drunkard son (who only graduated because his father bribed his teachers) president of the company. Notably, before Billy strikes a deal to graduate legitimately, this actually ''does'' temporarily convince Billy's father to hand the reins over to Eric. It's also noteworthy that, after some CharacterDevelopment, Billy himself concludes that he's not cut out for the management of a large company and turns it over to Carl, who is both competent and not a {{Jerkass}}.
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{{Jerkass}}. As for Eric losing his cool and drawing a gun in the climax, remember that he just lost the chemistry competition due to the judges accepting that Billy was able to freeze a ''boot''.



* In ''Series/SwitchedAtBirth'', Bay (who is hearing) decides to go to Carleton, a school for the Deaf, along with 6 other hearing students, despite having little signing ability and making no [[InformedAbility apparent]] attempt to learn. This leads to slowing down class for everyone and the art program being cut in order to pay for an interpreter for the hearing students. Naturally, a group of Deaf students resent this, led by the bully Natalie. Bay complains that she is being bullied simply because she's hearing, and that it's not her fault, and she's portrayed sympathetically, or at worst, that she and Natalie are equally in the wrong. This ignores the fact that ''it was her decision to go to Carleton in the first place''. She's the one forcing herself into a culture she doesn't respect. Furthermore, she personally did everything she was accused of, which makes the claim of discrimination absurd, and the worst part is that she never stops or even acknowledges that she did anything wrong (apart from hitting Natalie with a volleyball).



* In ''Series/SwitchedAtBirth'', Bay (who is hearing) decides to go to Carleton, a school for the Deaf, along with 6 other hearing students, despite having little signing ability and making no [[InformedAbility apparent]] attempt to learn. This leads to slowing down class for everyone and the art program being cut in order to pay for an interpreter for the hearing students. Naturally, a group of Deaf students resent this, led by the bully Natalie. Bay complains that she is being bullied simply because she's hearing, and that it's not her fault, and she's portrayed sympathetically, or at worst, that she and Natalie are equally in the wrong. This ignores the fact that ''it was her decision to go to Carleton in the first place''. She's the one forcing herself into a culture she doesn't respect. Furthermore, she personally did everything she was accused of, which makes the claim of discrimination absurd, and the worst part is that she never stops or even acknowledges that she did anything wrong (apart from hitting Natalie with a volleyball).



* Early editions of EclipsePhase heavily favored Anarchist and highly posthuman-focused factions to the point of essentially assuming that the players wouldn't want to play as members of corporate or bioconservative factions at all, which led to a lot of the relatively valid points or useful features of the factions being ignored in favor of casting the corporatists as captain planet villains and the bioconservatives as [[FantasticRacism space racists]].

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* Early editions of EclipsePhase TabletopGame/EclipsePhase heavily favored Anarchist and highly posthuman-focused factions to the point of essentially assuming that the players wouldn't want to play as members of corporate or bioconservative factions at all, which led to a lot of the relatively valid points or useful features of the factions being ignored in favor of casting the corporatists as captain planet villains and the bioconservatives as [[FantasticRacism space racists]].



** In [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS11E13SaddlesoreGalactica Saddlesore Galactica]], Lisa's school band competes in a battle of the bands competition. An opposing band from Ogdenville band uses glowsticks and wins, even though visual aids were expressly forbidden. Lisa spends the rest of the episode appealing to higher powers until then-President Bill Clinton nullifies the verdict and declares her the winner. Lisa's outrage is justified as the Ogdenville band won despite breaking the rules, as well as her appealing to higher figures, since the competition judge doesn't care about the rules violation and brushes her off when she complains. Even if it wasn't meant maliciously, Ogdenville broke the rules and should have been disqualified.

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** In [[Recap/TheSimpsonsS11E13SaddlesoreGalactica "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS11E13SaddlesoreGalactica Saddlesore Galactica]], Galactica]]", Lisa's school band competes in a battle of the bands competition. An opposing band from Ogdenville band uses glowsticks and wins, even though visual aids were expressly forbidden. Lisa spends the rest of the episode appealing to higher powers until then-President Bill Clinton nullifies the verdict and declares her the winner. Lisa's outrage is justified as the Ogdenville band won despite breaking the rules, as well as her appealing to higher figures, since the competition judge doesn't care about the rules violation and brushes her off when she complains. Even if it wasn't meant maliciously, Ogdenville broke the rules and should have been disqualified.



** SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} had schemes such as evolving the mutants he deemed to be 'worthy', and assembling a group of followers to his cause, in preparation for the inevitable war against humans [[TheUnmasquedWorld when the world finds out they exist]]. Xavier always felt he was taking an extreme stance against humanity and opted to reveal themselves when they were ready...except there was one rogue SHIELD agent who deemed mutants a threat to humanity and built a KillerRobot with advanced weaponry to go after Wolverine and the larger X-Men and Brotherhood members, though ''Magneto'' arranged the battle was brought to the world's attention. The result is a widespread witch-hunt against mutants leaving them on the run. [[DeusExitMachina Xavier was conveniently out of commission]] thanks to Mystique, but one wonders what his reaction would be to see police around his school.

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** SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} had schemes such as evolving the mutants he deemed to be 'worthy', and assembling a group of followers to his cause, in preparation for the inevitable war against humans [[TheUnmasquedWorld when the world finds out they exist]]. Xavier always felt he was taking an extreme stance against humanity and opted to reveal themselves when they were ready...except there was one rogue SHIELD agent who deemed mutants a threat to humanity and built a KillerRobot with advanced weaponry to go after Wolverine and the larger X-Men and Brotherhood members, though ''Magneto'' arranged the battle was brought to the world's attention. The result is a widespread witch-hunt against mutants leaving them on the run. [[DeusExitMachina Xavier was conveniently out of commission]] thanks to Mystique, but one wonders what his reaction would be to see police around his school.
17th Jan '17 3:37:56 PM thezogg
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** Back during the battle with Naruto and Neji, Neji claimed that fate has already been decided pretty much at birth and there is no way for Naruto, who is believed to be a failure, to change it. After Naruto managed to defeat him, [[ScrewDestiny Neji believes that Naruto is right and destiny can be changed meaning he does not need to be a Hyuuga branch]]. However, later Naruto is revealed to not only the son of the fourth Hokage and a Jinchuriki, he also inherited the will of fire by Hashirama, the reincarnation of the sage's younger brother and is the child of destiny that is prophecised by the toad elder. Coupled with the Uchiha's curse of love and power, it means that Neji is by all means right.



** Way back when Obito and Kakashi are arguing whether they should save Rin or not, Kakashi claimed that Rin is not as important as completing the mission, due to learning from Sakumo's experience only for Obito to shot him down stating that "Those who break the rules may be scum but those who abandons their friends are worse than scum" thus Kakashi eventually decided to go back and save Obito. [[spoiler: But had Kakashi not save Obito, he wouldn't have become Tobi and being responsible for everything that happens in the current Naruto world. In other words, Kakashi and by extension, the [[UngratefulBastard Konoha villagers]] code may be seen as right all along when it comes to following ninja rules. On the other hand, the only reason Obito survived to become Tobi was because of Madura Uchiha's involvement and it still could've been possible that Madura could have still gotten Obito, not to mention what ends up happening to Rin...]]

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** Way back when Obito and Kakashi are arguing whether they should save Rin or not, Kakashi claimed that Rin is not as important as completing the mission, due to learning from Sakumo's experience only for Obito to shot him down stating that "Those who break the rules may be scum but those who abandons their friends are worse than scum" thus Kakashi eventually decided to go back and save Obito. [[spoiler: But had Kakashi not save Obito, he wouldn't have become Tobi and being responsible for everything that happens in the current Naruto world. In other words, Kakashi and by extension, the [[UngratefulBastard Konoha villagers]] code may be seen as right all along when it comes to following ninja rules. On the other hand, the only reason Obito survived to become Tobi was because of Madura Uchiha's involvement and it still could've been possible that Madura could have still gotten Obito, not to mention what ends up happening to Rin...]]
17th Jan '17 1:13:46 PM LunaVeg87
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** To be fair, she did hint earlier in the movie (to her assistant) that she planned to ship Hallie OffToBoardingSchool, and it's implied that she's only after their father for his money. Granted, they may have gone overboard, but still.



%% The Politically Incorrect Man entry has been the subject of some debate. Please consult the relevant Discussion thread before altering or removing it. Thank you.
* [[http://i.imgur.com/TfziLyL.jpg Politically Incorrect Man]] sees three pairs of people, each consisting of one "PC" and one "un-PC" character, having a disagreement about a sensitive political topic. Each time, the eponymous "superhero" flies in and carries the "un-PC" character's point to an exaggerated, strawman extreme, then flies away. Finally, another "superhero" named "Mx. Respect for Others" flies in and gives what is intended to be a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech. Her tactics, however, are NotSoDifferent from Politically Incorrect Man's: she flies in, makes vague and general pronouncements only tangentially related to the point at hand, and then flies away; the only real difference is that, as an AuthorAvatar, she is given more space to expound on her point. It's hard to imagine that any of the three pairs of characters' (who, unlike the superheroes, were at least conversing politely and respectfully with one another) conflicts were actually resolved, and it's hard to imagine anyone's opinion being changed. Hence, to a reader who comes into the comic already inclined to agree with Politically Incorrect Man's worldview, the strawman has a point, whereas to a reader who comes into the comic already inclined to agree with Mx. Respect For Others, she's merely PreachingToTheChoir.

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%% The Politically Incorrect Disrespectful Man entry has been the subject of some debate. Please consult the relevant Discussion thread before altering or removing it. Thank you.
* [[http://i.imgur.com/TfziLyL.jpg Politically Incorrect Disrespectful Man]] sees three pairs of people, each consisting of one "PC" and one "un-PC" character, having a disagreement about a sensitive political topic. Each time, the eponymous "superhero" flies in and carries the "un-PC" character's point to an exaggerated, strawman extreme, then flies away. Finally, another "superhero" named "Mx. Respect for Others" flies in and gives what is intended to be a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech. Her tactics, however, are NotSoDifferent from Politically Incorrect Disrespectful Man's: she flies in, makes vague and general pronouncements only tangentially related to the point at hand, and then flies away; the only real difference is that, as an AuthorAvatar, she is given more space to expound on her point. It's hard to imagine that any of the three pairs of characters' (who, unlike the superheroes, were at least conversing politely and respectfully with one another) conflicts were actually resolved, and it's hard to imagine anyone's opinion being changed. Hence, to a reader who comes into the comic already inclined to agree with Politically Incorrect Disrespectful Man's worldview, the strawman has a point, whereas to a reader who comes into the comic already inclined to agree with Mx. Respect For Others, she's merely PreachingToTheChoir.
11th Jan '17 1:57:36 PM greatpikminfan
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' has an episode with a unicorn that judges Mabel by claiming to be able to "see into her heart" and determines that she's not pure. It's later revealed that it was all a scam to get humans to leave her alone, and after a battle Mabel leaves the encounter learning that she shouldn't feel overly conscientious about being judged for how good she is morally. The problem is, not only did the unicorn bring up a good argument about how doing good deeds for the sole sake of making yourself look better is actually a little self-centered, some fans believe that she was RightForTheWrongReasons. (Given that the ability to see a person's heart is part of the scam.) Mabel has performed a number of morally-questionable actions throughout the series -- in the episode immediately before this, she and her brother used a mind-controlling device on their own uncle. (It may had been under important circumstances as they were trying to not let StarterVillain Gideon take over the town and destroy their home, but the device is shown to ''not'' be a pleasant experience for the person being controlled. Gideon specifically calls them out for using it.) Near the end of the series, although after being depressed having gone through a bad day, it's still telling that she was willing to [[spoiler:freeze the flow of time over Gravity Falls -- indirectly manipulating the lives of many others -- to make summer a little longer because she was scared about growing up and moving on]]. It's true that the unicorn was being an emotion-manipulating {{jerkass}}, but Mabel really could have used just a little more self-reflection in her life instead of brushing it off with "Morality is relative."
10th Jan '17 5:50:54 PM maxwellsilver
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* Stan Smith of ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' is often portrayed as a bigoted self-serving sociopath who causes havoc over even the slightest problems caused in his perspective, however given he lives in a CrapsaccharineWorld where half the cast are almost as bad as he is, he does actually often have a reason to be annoyed (e.g. his ControlFreak in-laws taking over his house uninvited, his wife becoming a surrogate mother behind his back, pretty much ''any'' disagreement he has with either [[{{Hypocrite}} Hayley]] or [[ComedicSociopath Roger]]) it's just his depraved overzealousness causes him to take much nastier measures that gives the other side the higher moral ground.

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* Stan Smith of ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' is often portrayed as a bigoted self-serving sociopath who causes havoc over even the slightest problems caused in his perspective, however given he lives in a CrapsaccharineWorld where half the cast are almost as bad as he is, he does actually often have a reason to be annoyed (e.g. his ControlFreak in-laws taking over his house uninvited, his wife becoming a surrogate mother behind his back, pretty much ''any'' disagreement he has with either [[{{Hypocrite}} Hayley]] Hayley or [[ComedicSociopath Roger]]) Roger) it's just his depraved overzealousness causes him to take much nastier measures that gives the other side the higher moral ground.



** After Ben and the others believed that Zs'skayr and his other aliens have been eliminated, Ben makes a claim about how he did all the work in defeating the enemy. Gwen and Max are upset about this claim, but Ben eventually agrees with them and promises to work together after he used [[BrokenAesop Cannonbolt to save Gwen and Grandpa Max]]. However, Ben's point is not completely wrong, as compared to his cousin that can only use basic magic and his [[BadassGrandpa grandfather who is merely a normal person]], Ben has the Omnitrix, one of the most powerful weapons in the universe, and usually ends up saving the day by himself. It doesn't help that earlier on, Gwen makes a point on how she does not need Ben's help which most fans sees her as being jealous of him.
** Albedo from ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' has been established to not give a damn about what others think, and will bend the truth to himself to make sure nothing is his fault such as how he [[NeverMyFault blames Azmuth for becoming the person he is]]. We're supposed to see him as an immature brat for such claims. However, at the end of "For a Few Brains More", rather than attempting to help Albedo, Azmuth [[spoiler:''messed with'' Albedo's Omnitrix, forcing him back to a Ben form, and a ''younger'' Ben form at that with both [[DesignatedHero Azmuth and Ben laughing at his own misery as he is imprisoned]]]]. In other words, Albedo has every right to blame Azmuth for becoming the person he is.

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** After Ben and the others believed that Zs'skayr and his other aliens have been eliminated, Ben makes a claim about how he did all the work in defeating the enemy. Gwen and Max are upset about this claim, but Ben eventually agrees with them and promises to work together after he used [[BrokenAesop Cannonbolt to save Gwen and Grandpa Max]]. Max. However, Ben's point is not completely wrong, as compared to his cousin that can only use basic magic and his [[BadassGrandpa grandfather who is merely a normal person]], person, Ben has the Omnitrix, one of the most powerful weapons in the universe, and usually ends up saving the day by himself. It doesn't help that earlier on, Gwen makes a point on how she does not need Ben's help which most fans sees her as being jealous of him.
** Albedo from ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' has been established to not give a damn about what others think, and will bend the truth to himself to make sure nothing is his fault such as how he [[NeverMyFault blames Azmuth for becoming the person he is]]. We're supposed to see him as an immature brat for such claims. However, at the end of "For a Few Brains More", rather than attempting to help Albedo, Azmuth [[spoiler:''messed with'' Albedo's Omnitrix, forcing him back to a Ben form, and a ''younger'' Ben form at that with both [[DesignatedHero Azmuth and Ben laughing at his own misery as he is imprisoned]]]].imprisoned]]. In other words, Albedo has every right to blame Azmuth for becoming the person he is.



* This was a frequent occurrence on ''WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet|AndThePlaneteers}}'' with [[CommanderContrarian Wheeler]], who was portrayed usually as an arrogant and obnoxious jerk and hence always wrong, despite the fact that he often made sense. In one episode, he was mocked and declared selfish due to his opposition to keeping endangered and injured animals picked up in the group's travels on Hope Island, despite the fact that not taking exotic species out of their natural habitat is a perfectly valid GreenAesop on its own. This is not the only example. He has been "wrong" to espouse two entirely contradictory positions in two separate episodes, and was somehow wrong both times -- even when the episodes came to the ''same'' conclusion. See TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong for details.

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* This was a frequent occurrence on ''WesternAnimation/{{Captain Planet|AndThePlaneteers}}'' with [[CommanderContrarian Wheeler]], Wheeler, who was portrayed usually as an arrogant and obnoxious jerk and hence always wrong, despite the fact that he often made sense. In one episode, he was mocked and declared selfish due to his opposition to keeping endangered and injured animals picked up in the group's travels on Hope Island, despite the fact that not taking exotic species out of their natural habitat is a perfectly valid GreenAesop on its own. This is not the only example. He has been "wrong" to espouse two entirely contradictory positions in two separate episodes, and was somehow wrong both times -- even when the episodes came to the ''same'' conclusion. See TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong for details.



* ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' often centered on Hank opposing some person or organization that conflicted with Hank's view of life, and Hank is almost always portrayed as being the correct person in these conflicts, though many of the apparent straw men often had good enough positions. In one particular episode, Hank butts heads with a man who has a less-than-flattering interpretation of the Alamo (namely, that the Texans involved were a bunch of drunken cowards). The other man points out the logic behind his views, such as citing Sam Houston's troubled life and documented alcoholism and pointing out that the only people who know exactly what happened at the Alamo are long dead so all they have to go off of is historical records. In the end, Hank is dissuaded from smashing up the stage when he realizes that it's wrong to censor someone else just because you don't like their message, but he insists on giving a speech to relate the bare facts of the battle before the play begins.
8th Jan '17 4:13:52 PM DVB
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** Batman does finally explain another reason why he is afraid of doing so; [[spoiler: it is because he sees Gotham or the darkness of it, as his enemy. He fears that should he kill the Joker, something '''worse''' would appear. Given how the DC universe works, he may not be wrong. Then we find out there has been '''three''' seperate Jokers and things become more complicated,]]
8th Jan '17 4:09:27 PM DVB
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** Way back when Obito and Kakashi are arguing whether they should save Rin or not, Kakashi claimed that Rin is not as important as completing the mission, due to learning from Sakumo's experience only for Obito to shot him down stating that "Those who break the rules may be scum but those who abandons their friends are worse than scum" thus Kakashi eventually decided to go back and save Obito. [[spoiler: But had Kakashi not save Obito, he wouldn't have become Tobi and being responsible for everything that happens in the current Naruto world. In other words, Kakashi and by extension, the [[UngratefulBastard Konoha villagers]] code is right all along when it comes to following ninja rules.]]

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** Way back when Obito and Kakashi are arguing whether they should save Rin or not, Kakashi claimed that Rin is not as important as completing the mission, due to learning from Sakumo's experience only for Obito to shot him down stating that "Those who break the rules may be scum but those who abandons their friends are worse than scum" thus Kakashi eventually decided to go back and save Obito. [[spoiler: But had Kakashi not save Obito, he wouldn't have become Tobi and being responsible for everything that happens in the current Naruto world. In other words, Kakashi and by extension, the [[UngratefulBastard Konoha villagers]] code is may be seen as right all along when it comes to following ninja rules.rules. On the other hand, the only reason Obito survived to become Tobi was because of Madura Uchiha's involvement and it still could've been possible that Madura could have still gotten Obito, not to mention what ends up happening to Rin...]]
6th Jan '17 6:40:49 PM Blazer
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* In the beginning of ''ComicBook/{{Champions 2016}}'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel2014 Ms. Marvel]] quits the ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentAvengers after a fight between the team and the Wrecking Crew lead to a lot of collateral. She calls out the team for abandoning it instead of helping trying to reestablish people's livelihoods. However, as [[ComicBook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]] points out, they don't have Stark around anymore to help in that department, so leaving is the only thing they ''can'' do.
5th Jan '17 6:00:59 AM VVK
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Invoking this trope cannot be done directly: the whole point is that it's a reaction the writer never intended. To invoke it, the writer would either have to be criticizing some other work or use a ShowWithinAShow format. If there's any awareness of this from the writers (and one might suspect subconscious awareness), expect a lot of unrelated KickTheDog moments from the villains. Alternatively, the author may attempt to work around this trope by revealing that the villain may have been using a valid argument, but only as a cover to let them do whatever they want. Or maybe they really do believe what they argue, but they think this gives them license to whatever [[IDidWhatIHadToDo "needs" to be done]] [[KnightTemplar to make their beliefs]] [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans a reality]]. This is also not a scenario where two people have a disagreement and both have valid points. A Strawman is, by definition, an overly simplified position that is so flimsy it can be easily toppled. If everyone is partially correct, no side is a true straw man - they're still not this trope. Above all, remember that a strawman argument isn't inherently wrong, only poorly stated, as per the FallacyFallacy.

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Invoking Using this trope cannot be done directly: the whole point is that it's a reaction the writer never intended. To invoke purposefully use it, the writer would either have to be criticizing some other work or use a ShowWithinAShow format. If there's any awareness of this from the writers (and one might suspect subconscious awareness), expect a lot of unrelated KickTheDog moments from the villains. Alternatively, the author may attempt to work around this trope by revealing that the villain may have been using a valid argument, but only as a cover to let them do whatever they want. Or maybe they really do believe what they argue, but they think this gives them license to whatever [[IDidWhatIHadToDo "needs" to be done]] [[KnightTemplar to make their beliefs]] [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans a reality]]. This is also not a scenario where two people have a disagreement and both have valid points. A Strawman is, by definition, an overly simplified position that is so flimsy it can be easily toppled. If everyone is partially correct, no side is a true straw man - -- they're still not this trope. Above all, remember that a strawman argument isn't inherently wrong, only poorly stated, as per the FallacyFallacy.
27th Dec '16 2:38:08 AM MagBas
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** It's not really all that sensible of an argument depending on your point of view. First, the argument just as well justifies making tobacco and alcohol illegal instead of legalizing the drugs he was using. That is just as valid of a way of solving the hypocrisy. Second, the lead kid assumes that government action has to be completely sweeping in order to not be legitimate. There are lots of cases where government can move in a piecemeal fashion to address specific issues without addressing all related issues. Third, the illegal drugs may be harmful in a way the public cares about more than with tobacco or alcohol. E.g., the illegal drugs' negative effects may appear sooner than the negative effects of alcohol or tobacco, and that justifies making them illegal and not tobacco and alcohol.
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