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25th Feb '18 9:53:48 PM nanakiro
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The specific attitude toward this type of person can vary depending on the real or supposed affiliation of their accuser. While someone of their same (superficial) group will probably play the "traitor" card, someone in a ''different'' group (or who has voluntarily joined a different group not because they wanted to, but because they felt they ''had'' to, which is itself an example of this trope) might well respond with resentment rather than disgust. A white moderate (or [[WhiteGuilt guilty-conscience]]) liberal, for example, might feel anger toward a conservative of color because of their [[NWordPrivileges supposed unfair advantage]]: "If ''I'' said the things ''you'' said, you people would call me a redneck!"

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The specific attitude toward this type of person can vary depending on the real or supposed affiliation of their accuser. While someone of their same (superficial) group will probably play the "traitor" card, someone in a ''different'' group (or who has voluntarily joined a different group not because they wanted to, but because they felt they ''had'' to, which is itself an example of this trope) might well respond with resentment rather than disgust. A white moderate (or or [[WhiteGuilt guilty-conscience]]) (guilty-conscience)]] liberal, for example, might feel anger toward a conservative of color because of their [[NWordPrivileges supposed unfair advantage]]: "If ''I'' said the things ''you'' said, you people would call me a redneck!"
25th Feb '18 9:52:50 PM nanakiro
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The specific attitude toward this type of person can vary depending on the real or supposed affiliation of their accuser. While someone of their same (superficial) group will probably play the "traitor" card, someone in a ''different'' group (or who has voluntarily joined a different group not because they wanted to, but because they felt they ''had'' to, which is itself an example of this trope) might well respond with resentment rather than disgust. A white moderate or [[WhiteGuilt (guilty-conscience)]] liberal, for example, might feel anger toward a conservative of color because of their [[NWordPrivileges supposed unfair advantage]]: "If ''I'' said the things ''you'' said, you people would call me a redneck!"

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The specific attitude toward this type of person can vary depending on the real or supposed affiliation of their accuser. While someone of their same (superficial) group will probably play the "traitor" card, someone in a ''different'' group (or who has voluntarily joined a different group not because they wanted to, but because they felt they ''had'' to, which is itself an example of this trope) might well respond with resentment rather than disgust. A white moderate or (or [[WhiteGuilt (guilty-conscience)]] guilty-conscience]]) liberal, for example, might feel anger toward a conservative of color because of their [[NWordPrivileges supposed unfair advantage]]: "If ''I'' said the things ''you'' said, you people would call me a redneck!"
15th Feb '18 4:50:44 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** On the flip side, due to clashes within the atheist community, as well as clashes between feminists and prominent atheists, atheists are apparently supposed to treat feminism as just as irrational as religion. However, in different cases, an atheist is supposed to automatically consider the feminist movement indisputably righteous, and to not be affiliated with anything related to pseudo-science or anything that deals with the supposed paranormal, [[ScullySyndrome such as ghosts or aliens]]. At least part of this is thanks to a fundamental disagreement on whether 'feminism' (i.e. dictionary-definition egalitarianism which both sides claim to represent) and 'the feminist movement' are the same thing (and interchangeable terms) or directly opposed; the resulting 'debate' frequently degenerates into FourTermsFallacy with a bit of WhosOnFirst.

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** On the flip side, due to clashes within the atheist community, as well as clashes between feminists and prominent atheists, atheists are apparently supposed to treat feminism as just as irrational as religion. However, in different cases, an atheist is supposed to automatically consider the feminist movement indisputably righteous, and to not be affiliated with anything related to pseudo-science or anything that deals with the supposed paranormal, [[ScullySyndrome such as ghosts or aliens]]. At least part of this is thanks to a fundamental disagreement on whether 'feminism' (i.e. dictionary-definition egalitarianism which both sides claim to represent) and 'the feminist movement' are the same thing (and interchangeable terms) or terms), directly opposed; opposed (the position of those who claim modern 'feminism' is repackaged misandry), or that the latter is completely irrelevant to your opinion on the former; the resulting 'debate' frequently degenerates into FourTermsFallacy with a bit of WhosOnFirst.
13th Jan '18 2:19:11 PM Give1Take2
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* ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'': CulturalRebel elven companion Sera finds herself both on the receiving and giving end of this.
** On the one hand, she rejects people assuming she's "elfy" just because she's an elf, and thus must share other elves' values -- [[BarefootPoverty that she should go barefoot]], [[EnslavedElves whine about oppression]], [[HumansAreBastards dislike most humans]], be obsessed with regaining elven traditions and past glory, etc. She dislikes it when humans and ''especially'' other elves assume she should care about the [[EnslavedElves plight of other elves]] or share elfy views (like [[FightingForAHomeland wanting their own homeland]]) just because she's biologically elven.
** On the other hand, Sera herself is [[{{Hypocrite}} very guilty]] of perpetuating this same fallacy against most other elves. She assumes most elves she comes across are "too elfy," and puts the burden on them to prove they're [[YouAreACreditToYourRace "not like other elves"]]... [[WithUsOrAgainstUs by completely rejecting everything elven in nature like she does]]. If they embrace anything elven in nature, no matter how minor, she [[AggressiveCategorism aggressively categorizes]] them as "elfy," and thus negatively affiliates them as sharing all elfy beliefs and attitudes ([[BarefootPoverty barefoot]], [[HumansAreBastards hate humans]], [[WhiteDwarfStarlet won't let go of the past]], [[NoTrueScotsman won't tolerate non-elfy elves]], etc).
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20th Oct '17 11:38:13 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** On the flip side, due to clashes within the atheist community, as well as clashes between feminists and prominent atheists, atheists are apparently supposed to treat feminism as just as irrational as religion. However, in different cases, an atheist is supposed to automatically consider the feminist movement indisputably righteous, and to not be affiliated with anything related to pseudo-science or anything that deals with the supposed paranormal, [[ScullySyndrome such as ghosts or aliens]]. At least part of this is thanks to a fundamental disagreement on whether 'feminism' (i.e. dictionary-definition egalitarianism which both sides claim to represent) and 'the feminist movement' are the same thing or directly opposed.

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** On the flip side, due to clashes within the atheist community, as well as clashes between feminists and prominent atheists, atheists are apparently supposed to treat feminism as just as irrational as religion. However, in different cases, an atheist is supposed to automatically consider the feminist movement indisputably righteous, and to not be affiliated with anything related to pseudo-science or anything that deals with the supposed paranormal, [[ScullySyndrome such as ghosts or aliens]]. At least part of this is thanks to a fundamental disagreement on whether 'feminism' (i.e. dictionary-definition egalitarianism which both sides claim to represent) and 'the feminist movement' are the same thing (and interchangeable terms) or directly opposed.opposed; the resulting 'debate' frequently degenerates into FourTermsFallacy with a bit of WhosOnFirst.
11th Oct '17 9:20:30 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** On the flip side, due to clashes within the atheist community, as well as clashes between feminists and prominent atheists, atheists are apparently supposed to treat feminism as just as irrational as religion. However, in different cases, an atheist is supposed to automatically consider the feminist movement indisputably righteous, and to not be affiliated with anything related to pseudo-science or anything that deals with the supposed paranormal, [[ScullySyndrome such as ghosts or aliens]].

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** On the flip side, due to clashes within the atheist community, as well as clashes between feminists and prominent atheists, atheists are apparently supposed to treat feminism as just as irrational as religion. However, in different cases, an atheist is supposed to automatically consider the feminist movement indisputably righteous, and to not be affiliated with anything related to pseudo-science or anything that deals with the supposed paranormal, [[ScullySyndrome such as ghosts or aliens]]. At least part of this is thanks to a fundamental disagreement on whether 'feminism' (i.e. dictionary-definition egalitarianism which both sides claim to represent) and 'the feminist movement' are the same thing or directly opposed.
9th Jun '17 9:13:16 PM nombretomado
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* Happens a WhateleyUniverse story, and the person doing it gets ''blasted'' by the target's grandmother for perpetuating negative stereotypes.

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* Happens in a WhateleyUniverse Literature/WhateleyUniverse story, and the person doing it gets ''blasted'' by the target's grandmother for perpetuating negative stereotypes.
4th Nov '16 2:44:00 PM Nocturnal42
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Now, Alice picks one of these many groups, and simply assumes that because of that Bob has certain opinions, beliefs, even needs. If Bob doesn't agree, it's because Bob doesn't know what's good for him, or maybe doesn't even know what he really wants. She might even go so far as accusing him of being a CategoryTraitor. Or simply dismiss him as not being a ''real'' man/atheist/heterosexual/black/whatever.

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Now, Alice picks one of these many groups, and simply assumes that because of that Bob has certain opinions, beliefs, even needs. If Bob doesn't agree, it's because Bob doesn't know what's good for him, or maybe doesn't even know what he really wants. She might even go so far as accusing him of being a CategoryTraitor. Or simply dismiss him as not being a ''real'' [[NoTrueScotsman ''real'']] man/atheist/heterosexual/black/whatever.
2nd May '16 5:51:56 PM Orbiting
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-->"Damon, you can't be a Republican!"
-->"Why not?"
-->"Because only Democrats fight racial stereotyping!"
-->"Well... why me?"
-->"Why?! Because you're '''black'''!!"
--->''[[http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2002/11/04/ Day by Day]]''

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-->"Damon, ->"Damon, you can't be a Republican!"
-->"Why ->"Why not?"
-->"Because ->"Because only Democrats fight racial stereotyping!"
-->"Well...->"Well... why me?"
-->"Why?! ->"Why?! Because you're '''black'''!!"
--->''[[http://www.-->-- ''[[http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2002/11/04/ Day by Day]]''
23rd Mar '16 1:49:22 PM MasoTey
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-->''[[http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2002/11/04/ Day by Day]]''

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-->''[[http://www.--->''[[http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2002/11/04/ Day by Day]]''



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'''Nina:''': And why do you think I'm a Democrat, because I'm black?\\
'''Mary:''': Go ahead, vote for Mulligan!\\
'''Nina:''': I'm not voting for Mulligan!

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'''Nina:''': '''Nina:''' And why do you think I'm a Democrat, because I'm black?\\
'''Mary:''': '''Mary:''' Go ahead, vote for Mulligan!\\
'''Nina:''': '''Nina:''' I'm not voting for Mulligan!




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* The ''Webcomic/DayByDay'' cartoon outlined at the top of the page. It gets worse. It is later revealed that Damon is an orphan, causing Jan, the [[StrawCharacter Straw Liberal]] to declare that this explains why he's a Republican as he doesn't know ''how a black person'' is supposed to act. Did I mention they're now a [[OppositesAttract couple]]? That's after notable CharacterDevelopment on Jan's part. Her position as the cast's StrawLiberal has since been taken over by Skye.
* The now defunct online comic ''QueerNation'' featured the examples of a black gay man who spoke at a Republican benefit and, during it, received superpowers; the "Lambda Rays" put him in blackface, a hobo suit, and apparently gave him the moniker "Uncle Tom". He immediately began dancing for the white crowd in front of him. An AuthorTract example of this trope in action.
** Basically, this comic featured every possible level of hatred for the GayConservative possible. All examples were either racist (on the part of the author), mocking (one gay conservative was wealthy, so he was just greedy and evil), or in denial (the most prominent gay "bad guy" turned into a hideously ugly violent monster instead of being [[BeautyEqualsGoodness ever-so-pretty]] like all the good gays, er, guys).
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* Happens a WhateleyUniverse story, and the person doing it gets ''blasted'' by the target's grandmother for perpetuating negative stereotypes.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', at the end of "Cripple Fight", Big Gay Al gives an inspiring speech about how he doesn't believe the government has the right to force the Scouts to accept homosexuals. A bewildered Gloria Allred quickly attacks Big Gay Al as being a homophobe.
* On ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'', Master Shake is surprised to learn that Frylock is not amused by a JiveTurkey talking cellphone, despite the fact that Frylock is black. Or at least, [[ActorAllusion he sounds black]].
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* The ''Webcomic/DayByDay'' cartoon outlined at the top of the page. It gets worse. It is later revealed that Damon is an orphan, causing Jan, the [[StrawCharacter Straw Liberal]] to declare that this explains why he's a Republican as he doesn't know ''how a black person'' is supposed to act. Did I mention they're now a [[OppositesAttract couple]]? That's after notable CharacterDevelopment on Jan's part. Her position as the cast's StrawLiberal has since been taken over by Skye.
* The now defunct online comic ''QueerNation'' featured the examples of a black gay man who spoke at a Republican benefit and, during it, received superpowers; the "Lambda Rays" put him in blackface, a hobo suit, and apparently gave him the moniker "Uncle Tom". He immediately began dancing for the white crowd in front of him. An AuthorTract example of this trope in action.
** Basically, this comic featured every possible level of hatred for the GayConservative possible. All examples were either racist (on the part of the author), mocking (one gay conservative was wealthy, so he was just greedy and evil), or in denial (the most prominent gay "bad guy" turned into a hideously ugly violent monster instead of being [[BeautyEqualsGoodness ever-so-pretty]] like all the good gays, er, guys).

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* Happens a WhateleyUniverse story, and the person doing it gets ''blasted'' by the target's grandmother for perpetuating negative stereotypes.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', at the end of "Cripple Fight", Big Gay Al gives an inspiring speech about how he doesn't believe the government has the right to force the Scouts to accept homosexuals. A bewildered Gloria Allred quickly attacks Big Gay Al as being a homophobe.
* On ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'', Master Shake is surprised to learn that Frylock is not amused by a JiveTurkey talking cellphone, despite the fact that Frylock is black. Or at least, [[ActorAllusion he sounds black]].

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\n[[AC:{{Webcomics}}]]\n* The ''Webcomic/DayByDay'' cartoon outlined at the top of the page. It gets worse. It is later revealed that Damon is an orphan, causing Jan, the [[StrawCharacter Straw Liberal]] to declare that this explains why he's a Republican as he doesn't know ''how a black person'' is supposed to act. Did I mention they're now a [[OppositesAttract couple]]? That's after notable CharacterDevelopment on Jan's part. Her position as the cast's StrawLiberal has since been taken over by Skye.\n* The now defunct online comic ''QueerNation'' featured the examples of a black gay man who spoke at a Republican benefit and, during it, received superpowers; the "Lambda Rays" put him in blackface, a hobo suit, and apparently gave him the moniker "Uncle Tom". He immediately began dancing for the white crowd in front of him. An AuthorTract example of this trope in action.\n** Basically, this comic featured every possible level of hatred for the GayConservative possible. All examples were either racist (on the part of the author), mocking (one gay conservative was wealthy, so he was just greedy and evil), or in denial (the most prominent gay "bad guy" turned into a hideously ugly violent monster instead of being [[BeautyEqualsGoodness ever-so-pretty]] like all the good gays, er, guys).\n\n[[AC:WebOriginal]]\n* Happens a WhateleyUniverse story, and the person doing it gets ''blasted'' by the target's grandmother for perpetuating negative stereotypes.\n\n[[AC:WesternAnimation]]\n* In ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', at the end of "Cripple Fight", Big Gay Al gives an inspiring speech about how he doesn't believe the government has the right to force the Scouts to accept homosexuals. A bewildered Gloria Allred quickly attacks Big Gay Al as being a homophobe.\n* On ''WesternAnimation/AquaTeenHungerForce'', Master Shake is surprised to learn that Frylock is not amused by a JiveTurkey talking cellphone, despite the fact that Frylock is black. Or at least, [[ActorAllusion he sounds black]].\n[[/folder]]
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