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16th Nov '17 8:22:49 AM shawnmstewart
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* Pamela Sargent's ''Shore of Women'' also takes place in a world where women live in walled cities. In this case, men live in hunter-gatherer bands and any attempts at organization by them are stopped by death-ray equipped drones. Reproduction is via artificial insemination only and the men never see women in the flesh even when summoned to provide genetic material. The women have sufficient stored sperm to carry on indefinitely and periodically consider wiping the men out entirely, but in the interest of genetic diversity haven't done so yet. Male children are mind-wiped and expelled from the women's cities at the age of four or five.
11th Nov '17 9:53:39 PM ninjamitsuki2
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** Although ''VideoGame/DragonQuest'' is usually very good at gender equality in playable characters, the only games with female main characters are the games where you could choose between male or female. Even then, promotional art usually featured the male character more often. There is also not many female villains in the series, either.



** Although ''VideoGame/DragonQuest'' is usually very good at gender equality in playable characters, the only games with female main characters are the games where you could choose between male or female. Even then, promotional art usually featured the male character more often. There is also not many female villains in the series, either.
11th Nov '17 9:53:10 PM ninjamitsuki2
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* Most [[OtomeGame otome games]] have plot driven mainly by men with minimally written female characters, [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys since that's what most people play them for]]. ''VisualNovel/CodeRealize'' stands out for having a protagonist with agency in the story and having characterization and backstory just as rich as the male love interests. [[ActionGirl She can hold her own in a battle, too.]] There are many other women that play major roles in the story, all of them well-written and badass to some degree.
26th Oct '17 9:00:33 AM Vilui
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' is a complicated and deconstructed case. The Westerosi society is patriarchal and sexist (except Dorne, see below) which had several incompetent, evil and insane men leading their houses sidelining their more stable female relatives behind. This is brought by the ancient civil war, Dance of the Dragons, where Rhaenyra Targaryen's defeat by her brother Aegon III, led to stricter laws of agnetic-cognetic succession despite that she is her father's chosen heir. There are female leaders such as Cersei Lannister and Daenarys Targaryen; however, they were still look down by their sex. For Cersei's case, her rule in the fourth book [[spoiler:after her father's death]], made things worse which got herself arrest for adultery and forced to walk on the streets naked as punishment. Dany maybe the last Targaryen heiress but many men attempted to woo her because of her looks, her dragons or both. Action girls such as Brienne of Tarth and Asha Greyjoy are looked down which is also seen in the backstory where one girl went SweetPollyOliver to join the Night's Watch; but since it's an ArmyOfThievesAndWhores, she got a horrible ending. Of course, there's the RapePillageAndBurn tactic deployed by Tywin Lannister and Ser Gregor Clegane during the War of the Five Kings. In essence its a story set in a world where women are to know their place, but a narrative that very much depicts them as equals.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' is a complicated and deconstructed case. The Westerosi society is patriarchal and sexist (except Dorne, see below) which had several incompetent, evil and insane men leading their houses sidelining their more stable female relatives behind. This is brought by the ancient civil war, Dance of the Dragons, where Rhaenyra Targaryen's defeat by her brother Aegon III, led to stricter laws of agnetic-cognetic succession despite that she is her father's chosen heir. There are female leaders such as Cersei Lannister and Daenarys Targaryen; however, they were still look down by their sex. For Cersei's case, her rule in the fourth book [[spoiler:after her father's death]], made things worse which got herself arrest for adultery and forced to walk on the streets naked as punishment. Dany maybe may be the last Targaryen heiress but many men attempted to woo her because of her looks, her dragons or both. Action girls such as Brienne of Tarth and Asha Greyjoy are looked down which is also seen in the backstory where one girl went SweetPollyOliver to join the Night's Watch; but since it's an ArmyOfThievesAndWhores, she got a horrible ending. Of course, there's the RapePillageAndBurn tactic deployed by Tywin Lannister and Ser Gregor Clegane during the War of the Five Kings. In essence its a story set in a world where women are to know their place, but a narrative that very much depicts them as equals.



* Before ''Film/TheSpyWhoLovedMe'', ''Film/JamesBond'' movies were like this, at best. Bond was a jerk at best, a chauvinist at worst. (Of course, that said more about the time period than it did for him.

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* Before ''Film/TheSpyWhoLovedMe'', ''Film/JamesBond'' movies were like this, at best. Bond was a jerk at best, a chauvinist at worst. (Of course, that said more about the time period than it did for him.)



* ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' games: In contrast to ''Samurai Warriors''(see below), ''Basara'' only has ''eight'' playable female characters who have less significant roles in the story with the exception of Oichi, Ii Naotora and possibly the GenderFlip Saika Magoichi. Considering that the game took place in 1500’s, [[NeverASelfMadeWoman it’s justified]]. But once it’s obvious that the developers made it clear that they won’t be adding more female playable characters in Sanada Yukimura’s spinoff game, it made players think that the franchise is gearing for the yaoi fandom with a ACastFullOfPrettyBoys which made it detrimental for the franchise to slide further to the “Know Your Place, Women” level.

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* ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'' games: In contrast to ''Samurai Warriors''(see below), ''Basara'' only has ''eight'' playable female characters who have less significant roles in the story with the exception of Oichi, Ii Naotora and possibly the GenderFlip Saika Magoichi. Considering that the game took place in 1500’s, the 1500s, [[NeverASelfMadeWoman it’s justified]]. But once it’s obvious that the developers made it clear that they won’t be adding more female playable characters in Sanada Yukimura’s spinoff game, it made players think that the franchise is gearing for the yaoi fandom with a ACastFullOfPrettyBoys which made it detrimental for the franchise to slide further to the “Know Your Place, Women” level.



* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''. Most of the original casts are comprised of male characters with only six original females[[note]]Kairi, Namine, Xion, Ollete, Larxene, and Aqua[[/note]] out of the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. And most of them are either irrelevant to the story (Ollette), [[DamselInDistress Damsels in Distress]] (Kairi, Namine, Xion), or follow TheSmurfettePrinciple (Larxene). However, Aqua has been a step in the right direction, being a fully playable ActionGirl and the only one in her PowerTrio to receive the Master rank. While her story does involve her searching for her male friends, it is still a noble cause in itself and she does quite a lot of world-saving of her own along the way.

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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts''. Most of the original casts are comprised composed of male characters with only six original females[[note]]Kairi, Namine, Xion, Ollete, Larxene, and Aqua[[/note]] out of the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. And most of them are either irrelevant to the story (Ollette), [[DamselInDistress Damsels in Distress]] (Kairi, Namine, Xion), or follow TheSmurfettePrinciple (Larxene). However, Aqua has been a step in the right direction, being a fully playable ActionGirl and the only one in her PowerTrio to receive the Master rank. While her story does involve her searching for her male friends, it is still a noble cause in itself and she does quite a lot of world-saving of her own along the way.



* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'', despite being a gangster anime set primarily in the 1930's, actually seems to treat its female characters very well--female characters are allowed in roles about as diverse as the male characters, and some are very capable fighters, who can and do stand up to the men.

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* ''LightNovel/{{Baccano}}'', despite being a gangster anime set primarily in the 1930's, 1930s, actually seems to treat its female characters very well--female characters are allowed in roles about as diverse as the male characters, and some are very capable fighters, who can and do stand up to the men.



* ''Manga/{{Bakuman}}'': While the editorial department is entirely male, the female manga writers are not presented as inferior to their male counterparts, and are able to establish series in ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' and keep them running. While Mashiro and Takagi are once admonished for [[PanderingToTheBase trying to take ideas from (mostly female) fan mail]], it's pointed out that this is because the female readers are a PeripheryDemographic that, however, wouldn't want a genre change. While Iwase is sometimes thought of as petty in-universe and among the fanbase for pursuing manga as an extension of her rivalry with Takagi, Takagi is ultimately forced to acknowledge her skill, particularly when his and Mashiro's manga Tanto gets outperformed by her and [[TheRival Nizuma's]] Natural+.

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* ''Manga/{{Bakuman}}'': While the editorial department is entirely male, the female manga writers are not presented as inferior to their male counterparts, and are able to establish series in ''Magazine/ShonenJump'' and keep them running. While Mashiro and Takagi are once admonished for [[PanderingToTheBase trying to take ideas from (mostly female) fan mail]], it's pointed out that this is because the female readers are a PeripheryDemographic that, however, wouldn't want a genre change. While Iwase is sometimes thought of as petty in-universe and among the fanbase for pursuing manga as an extension of her rivalry with Takagi, Takagi is ultimately forced to acknowledge her skill, particularly when his and Mashiro's manga Tanto ''Tanto'' gets outperformed by her and [[TheRival Nizuma's]] Natural+.''+Natural''.



* ''Manga/CardCaptorSakura'' has well-developed characters split between both the genders; Syaoran, Touya, Yukito, Yue, Kero, and Eriol as the male leads and Sakura, Tomoyo, Meilin, and Mizuki as the female leads.The main character, Sakura Kinomoto has a well-defined personality and lives up to her reputation as both MagicalGirl and ActionGirl. Accompanying her is the male lead Li Syaoran, who acts as TheLancer during her quest to capture cards along with her best friend Tomoyo whom despite being shown to be a NiceGirl at her core, also loves to videotape Sakura and loves to dress up her best friend just for her to view the results.

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* ''Manga/CardCaptorSakura'' has well-developed characters split between both the genders; Syaoran, Touya, Yukito, Yue, Kero, and Eriol as the male leads and Sakura, Tomoyo, Meilin, and Mizuki as the female leads. The main character, Sakura Kinomoto has a well-defined personality and lives up to her reputation as both MagicalGirl and ActionGirl. Accompanying her is the male lead Li Syaoran, who acts as TheLancer during her quest to capture cards along with her best friend Tomoyo whom who, despite being shown to be a NiceGirl at her core, also loves to videotape Sakura and loves to dress up her best friend just for her to view the results.



* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate'', despite taking place in Victorian-era London, one of the most fiercely sexist eras in history, manages to outdo all of its predecessors in the series when it comes to depicting equality between men and women. The game has a male ''and'' female protagonist in the form of twin Assassins Jacob and Evie Frye who run a street gang called the Rooks, which is going up against the Templar-controlled Blighters to reclaim London for the Assassin Brotherhood. Notably, both the Rooks and Blighters, as well as the more elite Templars, are comprised of male and female {{Mooks}}, averting the MenAreTheExpendableGender trope by presenting the WouldHitAGirl trope in a feminist context.

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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedSyndicate'', despite taking place in Victorian-era London, one of the most fiercely sexist eras in history, manages to outdo all of its predecessors in the series when it comes to depicting equality between men and women. The game has a male ''and'' female protagonist in the form of twin Assassins Jacob and Evie Frye who run a street gang called the Rooks, which is going up against the Templar-controlled Blighters to reclaim London for the Assassin Brotherhood. Notably, both the Rooks and Blighters, as well as the more elite Templars, are comprised composed of male and female {{Mooks}}, averting the MenAreTheExpendableGender trope by presenting the WouldHitAGirl trope in a feminist context.



** There also turns out to be [[spoiler:a second female protagonist for a brief portion of the game that jumps to World War I named Lydie Frye, Jacob's grand-daughter and the active Assassin in London in 1916, thereby making it out to be that the PlayerCharacter trio in the game is comprised of TwoGirlsAndAGuy]].

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** There also turns out to be [[spoiler:a second female protagonist for a brief portion of the game that jumps to World War I named Lydie Frye, Jacob's grand-daughter and the active Assassin in London in 1916, thereby making it out to be that the PlayerCharacter trio in the game is comprised composed of TwoGirlsAndAGuy]].
14th Sep '17 6:40:15 AM Gowan
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* In ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' by Creator/WenSpencer, women outnumber men by about 20 to 1 (or more) so polygamy is the norm. This is not the fantasy that men might envision. Society is completely matriarchal. Men are basically property and can be sold or traded for money or a husband for their mothers or sisters. Men also take care of the home and children while women work and fight. Even the male protagonist primarily functions as a DamselInDistress.

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* In ''Literature/ABrothersPrice'' by Creator/WenSpencer, women outnumber men by about 20 to 1 (or more) so polygamy is the norm. This is not the fantasy that men might envision. Society is completely matriarchal. Men are basically property and can be sold or traded for money or a husband for their mothers or sisters. Men also take care of the home and children while women work and fight. Even the The male protagonist primarily functions as is not exactly a DamselInDistress.DamselInDistress, but more of a [[SpiritedYoungLady Spirited Young Gentleman]] than a traditional male hero.
2nd Sep '17 10:46:29 PM Ramidel
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* ''VideoGame/SagaFrontier2'' is set in a FantasyCounterpartCulture of TheMiddleAges. Among the nobility, women are pretty much marriage pawns. The only woman to do ''anything'' political on her own steam is the villainous Nicolette, and she's largely an ineffective schemer who started a war because of a petty grudge. There ''are'' women in the national armies in large numbers, but no noblewomen (except for RebelliousPrincess Primiera, who left home to become a digger) warriors are seen. There's much more more equality among [[AdventurerArchaeologist diggers]], and the main character of the third generation is Virginia Knights, but even then, both female diggers we see getting married or pregnant settle down to become full-time mothers.
28th Aug '17 8:40:53 PM PaulA
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%%* ''Tehanu'' by Ursula K. Le Guin
%%* ''Morgaine'' by C.J. Cherryh

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%%* ''Tehanu'' ''Literature/{{Tehanu}}'' by Ursula K. Le Guin
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* UrsulaKLeGuin's short story ''The Matter of Seggri'' is set on a planet where women naturally outnumber men by something like fifteen to one. At adolescence, men get sent away from their families to live in castles, where they participate in competitive sport and, if they do well enough, join the staff of their local "fuckery" where women pay to have sex with them. Meanwhile, women marry one another, raise children, and run every other aspect of society. By the end of the story, due to alien intervention, the sex ratio is becoming more equal and men's role is starting to be re-evaluated. One male character expresses his ambition to live as women do: "I want to be a wife."

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* UrsulaKLeGuin's Creator/UrsulaKLeGuin's short story ''The "The Matter of Seggri'' Seggri" is set on a planet where women naturally outnumber men by something like fifteen to one. At adolescence, men get sent away from their families to live in castles, where they participate in competitive sport and, if they do well enough, join the staff of their local "fuckery" where women pay to have sex with them. Meanwhile, women marry one another, raise children, and run every other aspect of society. By the end of the story, due to alien intervention, the sex ratio is becoming more equal and men's role is starting to be re-evaluated. One male character expresses his ambition to live as women do: "I want to be a wife."
29th Jul '17 1:10:58 PM ClintEastwood
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** Exceptions from the Connery era include Pussy Galore from ''Film/Goldfinger'', and especially Tatiana Romanova from ''Film/FromRussiaWithLove'', and Domino Derval from ''Film/Thunderball''. Pussy is almost a physical match for Bond and essential to undoing Goldfinger's plot, while both Tatiana and Domino actually kill the main villains of their respective films.

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** Exceptions from the Connery era include Pussy Galore from ''Film/Goldfinger'', ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'', and especially Tatiana Romanova from ''Film/FromRussiaWithLove'', and Domino Derval from ''Film/Thunderball''.''Film/{{Thunderball}}''. Pussy is almost a physical match for Bond and essential to undoing Goldfinger's plot, while both Tatiana and Domino actually kill the main villains of their respective films.
17th Jul '17 12:59:10 AM totlmstr
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* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' tends to zig-zag between this and Almost Perfect Equality. While there are relatively fewer female characters of any prominence, women are shown to be all over the place, ranging from submissive ladies in waiting to skillful bureaucrats. It also depends on the faction, with the FPA tending towards GenderIsNoObject, though even the more patriarchal Empire has a number of formidable women. Essentially its the opposite of A Song and Ice of Fire, showing a galaxy where gender is treated quite equally but narratively there's little more than one or two token females on any given side (with a cast that's the poster boy of of LotsAndLotsOfCharacters).

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* ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' tends to zig-zag between this and Almost Perfect Equality. While there are relatively fewer female characters of any prominence, women are shown to be all over the place, ranging from submissive ladies in waiting to skillful bureaucrats. It also depends on the faction, with the FPA tending towards GenderIsNoObject, though even the more patriarchal Empire has a number of formidable women. Essentially its the opposite of A Song of Ice and Ice of Fire, showing a galaxy where gender is treated quite equally but narratively there's little more than one or two token females on any given side (with a cast that's the poster boy of of LotsAndLotsOfCharacters).
25th Jun '17 5:02:04 PM NoriMori
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* In ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'', both the protagonist and the antagonist are female. The background characters — turrets and personality cores — are all female if you go by voice, with the sole exception of the Morality Core (who doesn't speak) and the Anger Core (who is voiced by a man and does nothing but snarl).
** [[VideoGame/Portal2 The sequel]] technically has more male characters than female, but almost all are secondary or equal to new or pre-existing female characters: Wheatley, the deuteragonist, acts in a supporting role to Chell and is explicitly a huge idiot; the Announcer is a pre-recorded voice that was probably never sentient and has little presence after the first chapter; Cave Johnson is a posthumous character present in voice only, whose success was mainly thanks to money and {{Hypercompetent Sidekick}}s (including another female character, [[GirlFriday Caroline]]); the male turrets and cores are merely defective counterparts to their female predecessors, present mostly for comic relief; and ATLAS (male) gets equal billing with P-Body (female).
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