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** {{Absolute Xenophobe}}


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** ForTheEvulz must be here or below.



** EvillyAffable tops out around here.



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** GodOfEvil
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** SerialKiller


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** {{Social Darwinist}}s that want to put extermination camps or "all versus all" absolute savagery into system.

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** {{Social Darwinist}}s that want to put hardcore supremacist doctrines, such as extermination camps or "all versus all" absolute savagery savagery, into system.
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** {{Social Darwinist}}s that want to put extermination camps or "all versus all" into system.

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** {{Social Darwinist}}s that want to put extermination camps or "all versus all" absolute savagery into system.

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** {{Social Darwinist}}s



** TheMengele - would be folded into CompleteMonster (since human experimentation for the lulz is always an automatic MEH) except that they also have a tendency for being played for ''very'' dark laughs... making them a tiny bit more sympathetic.

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** {{Social Darwinist}}s that want to put extermination camps or "all versus all" into system.
** TheMengele - would Would be folded into CompleteMonster (since human experimentation for the lulz is always an automatic MEH) except that they also have a tendency for being played for ''very'' dark laughs... making them a tiny bit more sympathetic.
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** TheMengele - would be folded into CompleteMonster (since human experimentation for the lulz is always an automatic MEH) except that they also have a tendency for being played for ''very'' dark laughs... making them a tiny bit more sympathetic.
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** ObliviouslyEvil

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* The DesignatedVillain can fit anywhere on this scale, as he's more defined by a lack of characterization and/or plot development.
** Likewise, a DesignatedHero (when compared to this scale) can fall anywhere from being a AntiHero or HeroWithAnFInGood to a CompleteMonster [[VillainWithGoodPublicity with]] ''[[VillainWithGoodPublicity very]]'' [[VillainWithGoodPublicity good publicity]].
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** {{Darwinist}}s

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** NecessarilyEvil
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** HateSink usually falls here in terms of vileness, even without being a true antagonist.
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** CowboyCop hovers around this level in shows that don't approve of these characters; going further makes them a less sympathetic {{Rabid Cop}}.

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** InternalAffairs
** SmugSuper (hero version only) the least sympathetic you can get while still qualifying as a non-ironic good guy.



** CowboyCop hovers around this level in shows that don't approve of these characters; going further makes them a less sympathetic {{Rabid Cop}}.



** Any instances of {{Karma Houdini}} below this point run a huge risk of accidentally transforming a 'normal' villain into someone despised as a {{Complete Monster}}.

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** Any instances of {{Karma Houdini}} below this point run a huge risk of accidentally transforming a 'normal' villain into someone as despised as a {{Complete Monster}}.



** {{Darwinist}}s
** {{Absolute Xenophobe}}



** Likewise for {{Mad Scientist}}s, otherwise they'd just be {{The Professor}} or {{The Dumbledore}}.



* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monster}}s such as [[{{Eight Bit Theatre}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal Lecter]].

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* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances applications of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] otherwise {{Complete Monster}}s such as [[{{Eight Bit Theatre}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal Lecter]].


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* A {{Knight of Cerebus}} almost never strays above {{Noble Demon}} in order to provide the sufficient seriousness needed for their {{Mood Whiplash}}--curiously, the only exception to this are {{Sadist Show}}s that embrace their {{Black and Grey Morality}} which will often have a {{Hero Antagonist}} available as one to highlight [[{{Crapsack World}} just how twisted things are]].
* A {{Token Evil Teammate}}, if they're the kind that cause trouble, hover around the middle of the scale. Too high up makes their evilness an {{Informed Attribute}}, too low can induce some serious {{Moral Dissonance}} as to why the heroes put up with such a bastard.
* Shows with {{Black and Grey Morality}} tend to reduce the vileness of {{Hero Antagonist}}s or {{Anti Villain}}s; it's just hard to get worked up over a villain's plan to [[{{Rushmore Refacement}} carve his face into the side of a mountain]] when the hero has to regularly resort to machine-gunning robbers in broad daylight.
* Likewise, shows with {{Grey and White Morality}} rarely have more than one or two instances (usually the BigBad) where the antagonists stray below {{Knight Templar}}.
* Due to {{Good Lawyers Good Clients}}, even if the {{Amoral Attorney}} is perfectly law-abiding and ethical they often end up being an accidental proxy for their client's vileness if they get justice for anyone on the Ordinary Villain scale or below. Outside of that though it's rare for an {{Amoral Attorney}} to personally do the deeds that would even skirt the {{Moral Event Horizon}}--they tend to bend the law, not break it.

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** EvillyAffableEvillyAffable tops out around here.



** BiggerBad needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a {{Sugar Bowl}} or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[PokeThePoodle to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an {{Orcus on His Throne}} even the reality-destroying Eldritch Abomination might come across LESS vile than the ordinary BigBad.



** {{Ultimate Evil}} needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a {{Sugar Bowl}} or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[{{Poke the Poodle}} to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an {{Orcus on His Throne}} even the reality-destroying {{Eldritch Abomination}} might come across LESS vile than the...



* {{Resuscitate the Dog}}, {{Villainous BSOD}}, and {{My God What Have I Done}} can pull a villain upwards on the scale, though obviously more evil villains tend to be more immune to these effects--though even someone who has crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} can be redeemed by those tropes if they're ''really'' sincere about their guilt and atonement.

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* {{Resuscitate the Dog}}, {{Villainous BSOD}}, and {{My God What Have I Done}} can pull a villain upwards on the scale, though obviously more evil villains tend to be more immune to these effects--though even someone who has crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} can be redeemed by those tropes if they're ''really'' sincere about their guilt and atonement.effects.



* Fitting a villain with a skintight pair of [[{{Draco in Leather Pants}} leather pants]] will push them upwards; there are even instances of {{Complete Monster}}s being 'rescued' by this trope.
** Likewise, an anti-villain stung with {{Ron the Death Eater}} can experience the reverse.



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* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monster}}s such as [[{{Eight Bit Theatre}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].

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* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monster}}s such as [[{{Eight Bit Theatre}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].Hannibal Lecter]].
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* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monster}}s such as [[{{8 Bit Theater}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].

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* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monster}}s such as [[{{8 [[{{Eight Bit Theater}} Theatre}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].

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* A villain that is a {{General Failure}}, {{Pointy Haired Boss}}, and/or a {{Stupid Boss}} makes weaksauce villains more vile and more blackhearted villains less so -- malicious stupidity reduces your sympathy but also reduces your threat.
* Fitting a villain with a skintight pair of [[{{Draco in Leather Pants}} leather pants]] will push them upwards; there are even instances of {{Complete Monsters}} being 'rescued' by this trope.
* The {{Rival Sports Team}} can be anywhere from the very top to the very bottom, though it's rare for them to go below {{Smug Snake}} status in less comedic stories.

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* A villain that is a {{General Failure}}, {{Pointy Haired Boss}}, and/or a {{Stupid Boss}} makes weaksauce villains more vile and more blackhearted villains less so -- malicious stupidity reduces your sympathy but also reduces your threat.
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* Fitting a villain with a skintight pair of [[{{Draco in Leather Pants}} leather pants]] will push them upwards; there are even instances of {{Complete Monsters}} Monster}}s being 'rescued' by this trope.
** Likewise, an anti-villain stung with {{Ron the Death Eater}} can experience the reverse.
* The {{Rival {{Opposing Sports Team}} can be anywhere from the very top to the very bottom, though it's rare for them to go below {{Smug Snake}} status in less comedic stories.



* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monsters}} such as [[{{8-Bit Theater}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].

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* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monsters}} Monster}}s such as [[{{8-Bit [[{{8 Bit Theater}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].

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** If you're going to {{Bait the Dog}}, the reveal of the villain's actual alignment needs to be at this level or below to get the proper 'punch'.



** Any instances of {{Karma Houdini}} below this point run a huge risk of accidentally transforming a 'normal' villain into someone despised as a {{Complete Monster}}.



** PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery usually settles about here

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** PutThemAllOutOfMyMisery usually settles about herehere.



** In order to induce the {{Mood Whiplash}} needed to qualify a villain for VileVillainSaccharineShow status, they need to be at this evil or below.



** {{Ultimate Evil}} needs to be at or below this point to be taken credibly as a source of all evil (unless they're on a {{Sugar Bowl}} or such where 'all evil' means that they want [[{{Poke the Poodle}} to cancel Christmas]]), though because of their tendency of being an {{Orcus on His Throne}} even the reality-destroying {{Eldritch Abomination}} might come across LESS vile than the...



** Even so, there are some rare instances of {{Ultimate Evil}} and {{Complete Monster}}s getting this status all the same if they're ''exceptionally'' stylish or cunning.



* EvenEvilHasStandards can pull upwards on the scale.

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* EvenEvilHasStandards can pull upwards on the scale.scale, though anyone below the {{Moral Event Horizon}} will come across as a {{Hypocrite}} for attempting this.


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* {{Resuscitate the Dog}}, {{Villainous BSOD}}, and {{My God What Have I Done}} can pull a villain upwards on the scale, though obviously more evil villains tend to be more immune to these effects--though even someone who has crossed the {{Moral Event Horizon}} can be redeemed by those tropes if they're ''really'' sincere about their guilt and atonement.
* Just the simple passage of time can push a villain [[{{Fair For Its Day}} up the scale]] or [[{{Values Dissonance}} screaming downwards]].
* A villain that is a {{General Failure}}, {{Pointy Haired Boss}}, and/or a {{Stupid Boss}} makes weaksauce villains more vile and more blackhearted villains less so -- malicious stupidity reduces your sympathy but also reduces your threat.
* Fitting a villain with a skintight pair of [[{{Draco in Leather Pants}} leather pants]] will push them upwards; there are even instances of {{Complete Monsters}} being 'rescued' by this trope.
* The {{Rival Sports Team}} can be anywhere from the very top to the very bottom, though it's rare for them to go below {{Smug Snake}} status in less comedic stories.
* Beware of using [[{{The War on Straw}} strawmen]] for blackening your villains; if the audience finds out, they'll often get pushed upwards further than you like, especially if they make an [[{{Strawman Has a Point}} especially good point]] or their belief system [[{{What Do You Mean Its Not Heinous}} isn't even that bad]].
* {{Villain Decay}}, if especially humiliating or prolonged, will slowly cause a villain to float up to {{Harmless Villain}} if left unchecked; particularly powerful instances of this trope have even [[{{Badass Decay}} wimpified]] {{Complete Monsters}} such as [[{{8-Bit Theater}} Black Mage]] and [[{{Silence of the Lambs}} Hannibal]].
* If an antagonist is also holding the title of {{The Scrappy}}, they can be pushed either upwards or downwards depending on what they're being hated for. Unfortunately even in the 'redeeming' case of this it won't reduce the audience's overall hatred towards them, just the perceived vileness component of that hatred.
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* Given that the MagnificentBastard is more about style, Magnificent Bastards can fall anywhere above the MoralEventHorizon on this scale, although, again, since he's all about style, the Bastard in question is probably a bit higher on the scale than he would otherwise be.

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* Given that the MagnificentBastard is more about style, Magnificent Bastards can fall anywhere above the MoralEventHorizon on this scale, although, again, since he's all about style, the Bastard in question is probably a bit higher on the scale than he would otherwise be. Similarly with EvilIsCool and related tropes.

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An interesting feature of this is that the more [[EvilTropes ''evil'']] a villain is the ''less'' vile he may appear to be, compared to other villains in the story, the logic being that a truly Despicable villain is someone we hate and revile, while a truly Evil villain is dangerous and to be feared- we care less about ''what'' happens to him and are satisfied that ''something'' does, if only to end his reign of terror.

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