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24th Sep '16 11:01:54 AM ultimomant
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** In the ''Anime/FusionReborn'' movie, Frieza declared he would get satisfaction against Goku, the man who previously defeated him, by killing his son Gohan. Fortunately, [[VillainForgotToLevelGrind Frieza forgot to level grind]] and Gohan defeats him with ease.

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** In the ''Anime/FusionReborn'' ''Anime/DragonBallZFusionReborn'' movie, Frieza declared he would get satisfaction against Goku, the man who previously defeated him, by killing his son Gohan. Fortunately, [[VillainForgotToLevelGrind Frieza forgot to level grind]] and Gohan defeats him with ease.
17th Sep '16 3:38:10 AM Perseus
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** ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'': The concept of the sins of the father being passed down to his children is said to be deeply ingrained in Khura'inese culture. Being related to a criminal is enough to completely destroy someone's reputation. [[spoiler:This is how [[BigBad Queen Ga'ran]] bends both the previous queen Amara and her son Nahyuta to her will, by threatening to reveal Princess Rayfa's true parentage as the youngest daughter of Amara and the reviled rebel leader Dhurke. Nahyuta himself was stripped of his royal status after Dhurke was falsely convicted of Amara's (fake) assassination, and struggled desperately to become a prosecutor with the stigma of having a murderer for a father hanging over him; thus, neither he or his mother are willing to risk Rayfa's life being ruined.]]

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** ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'': The concept of the sins of the father being passed down to his children is said to be deeply ingrained in Khura'inese culture. Being related to a criminal is enough to completely destroy someone's reputation. [[spoiler:This is how [[BigBad Queen Ga'ran]] bends both the previous queen Amara and her son Nahyuta to her will, by threatening to reveal Princess Rayfa's true parentage as the youngest daughter of Amara and the reviled rebel leader Dhurke. Nahyuta himself was stripped of his royal status after Dhurke was falsely convicted accused of Amara's (fake) assassination, and struggled desperately to become a prosecutor with the stigma of having a murderer for a father hanging over him; thus, neither he or his mother are willing to risk Rayfa's life being ruined.]]
15th Sep '16 2:00:28 PM MJTrooper
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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'', Manfred von Karma. Whoo boy. [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth made him receive a penalty in court, the tiniest blot on his perfect record, and von Karma murdered him while he was trapped in an elevator. He then adopted Edgeworth's ten year old son Miles and raised him to be a ruthless prosecutor who cared only for finding defendants guilty, letting Miles believe that he was the one who'd accidentally shot Gregory Edgeworth. A few days before the statute of limitations ran out von Karma framed him for a related murder, waited until Miles was cleared, and then reaccused him of ''his own father's murder''.]] And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling defense attorneys.
** The concept of the sins of the father being passed down to his children is said to be deeply ingrained in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Khura'inese]] culture. Being related to a criminal is enough to completely destroy someone's reputation. [[spoiler:This is how [[BigBad Queen Ga'ran]] bends both the previous queen Amara and her son Nahyuta to her will, by threatening to reveal Princess Rayfa's true parentage as the youngest daughter of Amara and the reviled rebel leader Dhurke. Nahyuta himself was stripped of his royal status after Dhurke was falsely convicted of Amara's (fake) assassination, and struggled desperately to become a prosecutor with the stigma of having a murderer for a father hanging over him; thus, neither he or his mother are willing to risk Rayfa's life being ruined.]]


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** ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'': Manfred von Karma. Whoo boy. [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth made him receive a penalty in court, the tiniest blot on his perfect record, and von Karma murdered him while he was trapped in an elevator. He then adopted Edgeworth's ten year old son Miles and raised him to be a ruthless prosecutor who cared only for finding defendants guilty, letting Miles believe that he was the one who'd accidentally shot Gregory Edgeworth. A few days before the statute of limitations ran out von Karma framed him for a related murder, waited until Miles was cleared, and then reaccused him of ''his own father's murder''.]] And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling defense attorneys.
** ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice'': The concept of the sins of the father being passed down to his children is said to be deeply ingrained in Khura'inese culture. Being related to a criminal is enough to completely destroy someone's reputation. [[spoiler:This is how [[BigBad Queen Ga'ran]] bends both the previous queen Amara and her son Nahyuta to her will, by threatening to reveal Princess Rayfa's true parentage as the youngest daughter of Amara and the reviled rebel leader Dhurke. Nahyuta himself was stripped of his royal status after Dhurke was falsely convicted of Amara's (fake) assassination, and struggled desperately to become a prosecutor with the stigma of having a murderer for a father hanging over him; thus, neither he or his mother are willing to risk Rayfa's life being ruined.]]
13th Sep '16 8:28:24 PM merotoker
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* In ''Anime/MawaruPenguindrum'', the Takakura parents turn out to be [[spoiler:members of a terrorist organization that bombed the Tokyo Subway 16 years before the action took place]]. One of the victims was a little girl named Momoka Oginome... the childhood girlfriend of Shoma and Kanba's teacher, Keiju Tabuki, and the older sister of Shoma's friend/prospect LoveInterest Ringo. Shoma actually spells out the trope while revealing to Ringo what he knows about said tragic incident as well as referring to his sister Himari's almost-definitive death that follows as "a curse befalling on the family... as punishment"; he then goes further via [[ItsNotYouItsMe cutting off all contacts with Ringo]], since he's so wrecked with guilt and self-hate that ''[[spoiler:he simply can't believe that Ringo refuses to hate him and his family for Momoka's demise]]''. It takes Ringo quite the effort to even try convincing him otherwise and let her hang out with him and Himari.

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* In ''Anime/MawaruPenguindrum'', the Takakura parents turn out to be [[spoiler:members of a terrorist organization that bombed the Tokyo Subway 16 years before the action took place]]. One of the victims was a little girl named Momoka Oginome... the childhood girlfriend of Shoma and Kanba's teacher, Keiju Tabuki, and the older sister of Shoma's friend/prospect LoveInterest {{Love Interest|s}} Ringo. Shoma actually spells out the trope while revealing to Ringo what he knows about said tragic incident as well as referring to his sister Himari's almost-definitive death that follows as "a curse befalling on the family... as punishment"; he then goes further via [[ItsNotYouItsMe cutting off all contacts with Ringo]], since he's so wrecked with guilt and self-hate that ''[[spoiler:he simply can't believe that Ringo refuses to hate him and his family for Momoka's demise]]''. It takes Ringo quite the effort to even try convincing him otherwise and let her hang out with him and Himari.



** In Volume 1, [[spoiler:Alex invokes this trope when threatening to kill Karolina, due to her and Molly's parents planning on betraying the others at the ceremony the team interrupted.]]
* Professor Power once quoted the TropeNamer directly while explaining why he had such a mad-on for ComicBook/XFactor, which at the time was composed of the original {{X-Men}}; it was far more about his feud with Xavier than it was with them.

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** In Volume 1, [[spoiler:Alex invokes this trope when threatening to kill Karolina, due to her and Molly's parents planning on betraying the others at the ceremony the team interrupted.]]
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* Professor Power once quoted the TropeNamer {{Trope Namer|s}} directly while explaining why he had such a mad-on for ComicBook/XFactor, which at the time was composed of the original {{X-Men}}; ComicBook/XMen; it was far more about his feud with Xavier than it was with them.



* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'': As revealed in chapter 22, Tsali has been after Cosmo because because her father Lucas made him into what he is now. Tails points out that Cosmo is ''not'' guilty of her father's crimes, but Tsali responds that she carries her father's blood, and that's enough for him.

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* ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'': As revealed in chapter 22, Tsali has been after Cosmo because because her father Lucas made him into what he is now. Tails points out that Cosmo is ''not'' guilty of her father's crimes, but Tsali responds that she carries her father's blood, and that's enough for him.



* In ''Film/TheFog", vengeful ghosts of lepers from 100 years earlier do this to the present day descendants of their murderers.
* In ''Film/FlowersInTheAttic", the children of their newly widowed and bankrupt mother are subject to this by their hateful grandmother.

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* In ''Film/TheFog", ''Film/TheFog'', vengeful ghosts of lepers from 100 years earlier do this to the present day descendants of their murderers.
* In ''Film/FlowersInTheAttic", ''Film/FlowersInTheAttic'', the children of their newly widowed and bankrupt mother are subject to this by their hateful grandmother.



*** Potentially also inverted: [[spoiler: The only reason Snape helped ensure Harry's survival was because he was also the child of Lily Evans, the girl he loved.]]

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*** Potentially also inverted: [[spoiler: The only reason Snape helped ensure Harry's survival was because he was also the child of Lily Evans, the girl he loved.]]loved]].



* A particularly ironic variation happens in Dickens' ''Literature/ATaleOfTwoCities'' where [[spoiler:Dr. Manette was unjustly imprisoned by two twins after he flubbed to the police about them raping a peasant girl and killing her brother. He is unfortunately imprisoned in the brutal Bastille, which eats away at his sanity. He writes a journal describing how he got there, but due to amnesia, forgets all about it once freed. Later in the book, Charles Darnay, his son-in-law, is up for trial in the crazy revolutionary France. When Dr. Manette asked who testified against him, it turns out Darnay... is the son of one of the twins that imprisoned him, and they know all about it thanks to the recovery of Dr. Manette's journal. Ultimately, at the end of the journal, he condemns all the posterity of the twins that imprisoned him, saying "I, Alexandre Manette ... denounce to the times when all these things shall be answered for. I denounce them to Heaven and to earth." As thus, he ultimately wound up testifying against his son-in-law because of this trope.]] Also, [[spoiler:Madame Defarge was the sister of the peasant girl who was raped, and wanted to kill everybody in the twins' family for revenge, even Charles Darnay's young daughter.]]

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* A particularly ironic variation happens in Dickens' ''Literature/ATaleOfTwoCities'' where [[spoiler:Dr. Manette was unjustly imprisoned by two twins after he flubbed to the police about them raping a peasant girl and killing her brother. He is unfortunately imprisoned in the brutal Bastille, which eats away at his sanity. He writes a journal describing how he got there, but due to amnesia, forgets all about it once freed. Later in the book, Charles Darnay, his son-in-law, is up for trial in the crazy revolutionary France. When Dr. Manette asked who testified against him, it turns out Darnay... is the son of one of the twins that imprisoned him, and they know all about it thanks to the recovery of Dr. Manette's journal. Ultimately, at the end of the journal, he condemns all the posterity of the twins that imprisoned him, saying "I, Alexandre Manette ... denounce to the times when all these things shall be answered for. I denounce them to Heaven and to earth." As thus, he ultimately wound up testifying against his son-in-law because of this trope.]] trope]]. Also, [[spoiler:Madame Defarge was the sister of the peasant girl who was raped, and wanted to kill everybody in the twins' family for revenge, even Charles Darnay's young daughter.]]daughter]].



* In Jeramey Kraatz's ''/Literature/TheCloakSociety'' novel''Fall of Heroes'', Lux explains to the youngsters that Cloak's original attack on them had been because of their dead founder who had [[spoiler:once belonged to Cloak himself.]]

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* In Jeramey Kraatz's ''/Literature/TheCloakSociety'' novel''Fall of Heroes'', Lux explains to the youngsters that Cloak's original attack on them had been because of their dead founder who had [[spoiler:once belonged to Cloak himself.]]himself]].






* In ''Series/{{Lost}}'': [[spoiler:Ben intends to kill Penny Widmore because her father's hired psycho killed Ben's daughter Alex.]]
* In ''Series/{{Merlin}}'' also had an episode named "Sins of the Father", where Uther's BackStory and Arthur's birth comes to light. It ain't pretty.

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* In ''Series/{{Lost}}'': [[spoiler:Ben intends to kill Penny Widmore because her father's hired psycho killed Ben's daughter Alex.]]
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* In ''Series/{{Merlin}}'' ''Series/{{Merlin|2008}}'' also had an episode named "Sins of the Father", where Uther's BackStory and Arthur's birth comes to light. It ain't pretty.



** And the quarians in general, who suffer from racism and are repeatedly treated worse than dirt by the Citadel Government for the whole Geth Uprising that occured 300 years earlier. Possibly [[JustifiedTrope justified]]; Asari can live [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld over a thousand years]], so many of them probably remember the Geth uprising firsthand.

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** And the quarians in general, who suffer from racism and are repeatedly treated worse than dirt by the Citadel Government for the whole Geth Uprising that occured occurred 300 years earlier. Possibly [[JustifiedTrope justified]]; Asari can live [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld over a thousand years]], so many of them probably remember the Geth uprising firsthand.



** Also comes into play in the "Nature Of The Beast" quest: [[spoiler: The werewolves' ancestors were human barbarians who were responsible for raping and killing Zathrian's children, so he set upon them a werewolf curse that continued down upon their descendants. One of the ways to convince Zathrian to break the curse is to show him how his actions are hurting victims innocent of the original crime.]]

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** Also comes into play in the "Nature Of The Beast" quest: [[spoiler: The werewolves' ancestors were human barbarians who were responsible for raping and killing Zathrian's children, so he set upon them a werewolf curse that continued down upon their descendants. One of the ways to convince Zathrian to break the curse is to show him how his actions are hurting victims innocent of the original crime.]]crime]].



* In ''VisualNovel/LongLiveTheQueen'', if you discover Lucille's plot, [[spoiler:Elodie can choose to murder her and her husband - or EVERYONE in the family, banish everyone, or feed Charlotte to a kraken. The dialogue in the latter choice makes it clear she thinks she was in on the plot. ProperlyParanoid has a role in this as well, since this is a '''very''' cut-throat setting with nobles and royals plotting against each other, so Elodie might just try to prevent any future retribution. Alternatively, she might have become just that evil.]]

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* In ''VisualNovel/LongLiveTheQueen'', if you discover Lucille's plot, [[spoiler:Elodie can choose to murder her and her husband - or EVERYONE in the family, banish everyone, or feed Charlotte to a kraken. The dialogue in the latter choice makes it clear she thinks she was in on the plot. ProperlyParanoid has a role in this as well, since this is a '''very''' cut-throat setting with nobles and royals plotting against each other, so Elodie might just try to prevent any future retribution. Alternatively, she might have become just that evil.]]evil]].



* The 2007 motion capture 3-D movie adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' had this for the eponymous BrokenAce with his illicit affair with Grendel's mother leads to the birth of a half-demon (dragon?) golden-skinned son. When the truce between him and the female demon is broken, she sends out their son, who attacks a village in its dragon form, sparing alive a horribly burned survivor so that he would relay these exact words to the now king Beowulf: The sins of the father are visited upon the sons. [[spoiler: It's also shown that the same thing happened with Beowulf's predecessor, who fathered Grendel, the monster who then attacked his hall, killing many of his men before Beowulf killed him]].

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* The 2007 motion capture 3-D movie adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' had this for the eponymous BrokenAce with his illicit affair with Grendel's mother leads to the birth of a half-demon (dragon?) golden-skinned son. When the truce between him and the female demon is broken, she sends out their son, who attacks a village in its dragon form, sparing alive a horribly burned survivor so that he would relay these exact words to the now king Beowulf: The sins of the father are visited upon the sons. [[spoiler: It's also shown that the same thing happened with Beowulf's predecessor, who fathered Grendel, the monster who then attacked his hall, killing many of his men before Beowulf killed him]]. him.]]



* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The Lumberjack Ghost helped build the estate the Northwests live in 150 years ago when their ancestors commissioned it. After years of hard labor that cost the lives of several workers, all the common folk found themselves denied entrance into the estate and the removal of trees to build the manor lead to a mudslide that ended up killing the Lumberjack. His revenge was directed at the Northwests and their descendants, as long as they refused to let the commoners in. Since the current generation of Northwests would rather hire an exorcist rather than just let the people in it's less that he hates them for the sins of their ancestors, but more for the fact that they would rather keep repeating the sins instead of learning from them. [[spoiler:When Pacifica goes to break the curse, and let the townsfolk in, the Lumberjack does nothing to stop her, and even encourages her actions as justice is more important than his revenge]].
* The Leprechaun from ''{{WesternAnimation/Extreme Ghostbusters}}'' was imprisoned in New York by a group of magicians from Ireland, who used his gold to feed hungry immigrant children. Upon his accidental release, he went after the descendants of his captors for his gold (which they didn't have) or revenge (which he could take).

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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'': The Lumberjack Ghost helped build the estate the Northwests live in 150 years ago when their ancestors commissioned it. After years of hard labor that cost the lives of several workers, all the common folk found themselves denied entrance into the estate and the removal of trees to build the manor lead to a mudslide that ended up killing the Lumberjack. His revenge was directed at the Northwests and their descendants, as long as they refused to let the commoners in. Since the current generation of Northwests would rather hire an exorcist rather than just let the people in it's less that he hates them for the sins of their ancestors, but more for the fact that they would rather keep repeating the sins instead of learning from them. [[spoiler:When Pacifica goes to break the curse, and let the townsfolk in, the Lumberjack does nothing to stop her, and even encourages her actions as justice is more important than his revenge]].
revenge.]]
* The Leprechaun from ''{{WesternAnimation/Extreme Ghostbusters}}'' ''WesternAnimation/ExtremeGhostbusters'' was imprisoned in New York by a group of magicians from Ireland, who used his gold to feed hungry immigrant children. Upon his accidental release, he went after the descendants of his captors for his gold (which they didn't have) or revenge (which he could take).
13th Sep '16 4:31:58 AM Perseus
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** The concept of the sins of the father being passed down to his children is said to be deeply ingrained in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Khura'inese]] culture. Being related to a criminal is enough to completely destroy someone's reputation. [[spoiler:This is how [[BigBad Queen Ga'ran]] bends both the previous queen Amara and her son Nahyuta to her will, by threatening to reveal Princess Rayfa's true parentage as the youngest daughter of Amara and the reviled rebel leader Dhurke. Nahyuta himself was stripped of his royal status after Dhurke was falsely convicted of Amara's (fake) assassination, and struggled desperately to become a prosecutor with the stigma of having a murderer for a father hanging over him; thus, neither he or his mother are willing to risk Rayfa's life being ruined.]]
10th Sep '16 9:15:11 PM Gamermaster
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** Actually, it goes even deeper than that. [[spoiler: He comes from a [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer literal]] family of {{Cosmic Plaything}}s due to one of his ancestors using Star Memory [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished to undo the apocalypse]].]]
5th Sep '16 10:39:55 AM erforce
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* In ''Franchise/DevilMayCry 3'', Beowulf lost one of his eyes in battle with Sparda at some time in the past. When Dante arrives, Beowulf recognizes him as Sparda's son by his scent and goes on a rampage. [[spoiler:Dante takes out his other eye, and Beowulf vows revenge on him as well. Unfortunately for Beowulf, he doesn't know Sparda had ''two'' sons, and he gets killed by Vergil.]]

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In ''Franchise/DevilMayCry 3'', ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry3DantesAwakening'', Beowulf lost one of his eyes in battle with Sparda at some time in the past. When Dante arrives, Beowulf recognizes him as Sparda's son by his scent and goes on a rampage. [[spoiler:Dante takes out his other eye, and Beowulf vows revenge on him as well. Unfortunately for Beowulf, he doesn't know Sparda had ''two'' sons, and he gets killed by Vergil.]]



* The 2007 motion capture 3-D movie adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' had this for the eponymous BrokenAce with his illicit affair with Grendel's mother leads to the birth of a half-demon (dragon?) golden-skinned son. When the truce between him and the female demon is broken, she sends out their son, who attacks a village in its dragon form, sparing alive a horribly burned survivor so that he would relay these exact words to the now king Beowulf: The sins of the father are visited upon the sons. [[spoiler: It's also shown that the same thing happened with Beowulf's predecessor, who fathered Grendel, the monster who then attacked his hall, killing many of his men before Beowulf killed him]].

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* The 2007 motion capture 3-D movie adaptation of ''Film/{{Beowulf}}'' ''Film/{{Beowulf|2007}}'' had this for the eponymous BrokenAce with his illicit affair with Grendel's mother leads to the birth of a half-demon (dragon?) golden-skinned son. When the truce between him and the female demon is broken, she sends out their son, who attacks a village in its dragon form, sparing alive a horribly burned survivor so that he would relay these exact words to the now king Beowulf: The sins of the father are visited upon the sons. [[spoiler: It's also shown that the same thing happened with Beowulf's predecessor, who fathered Grendel, the monster who then attacked his hall, killing many of his men before Beowulf killed him]].
2nd Sep '16 4:28:51 AM TheKaizerreich
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* ''VideoGame/SinsOfASolarEmpire'' has the Trader Emergency Coalition being punished by the return of the Advent, whom their ancestors cast out in exile. Now the Advent are coming back for revenge.


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* In ''VisualNovel/LongLiveTheQueen'', if you discover Lucille's plot, [[spoiler:Elodie can choose to murder her and her husband - or EVERYONE in the family, banish everyone, or feed Charlotte to a kraken. The dialogue in the latter choice makes it clear she thinks she was in on the plot. ProperlyParanoid has a role in this as well, since this is a '''very''' cut-throat setting with nobles and royals plotting against each other, so Elodie might just try to prevent any future retribution. Alternatively, she might have become just that evil.]]
29th Aug '16 8:11:34 PM ultimomant
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* ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'': Nyarlathotrot, God of Tragedy and Horror, has a murderous grudge against Applejack. It is revealed that this is because many thousands of years ago, Applejack's ancestor Saint Sweetheart and her family managed to find the cure to a plague he had engineered to wipe out ponykind.
24th Aug '16 5:08:33 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* Professor Power once quoted the TropeNamer directly while explaining why he had such a mad-on for ComicBook/XFactor, which at the time was composed of the original {{X-Men}}; it was far more about his feud with Xavier than it was with them.
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