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18th Apr '18 1:36:40 AM TheRoguePenguin
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* This is usually the Dominion M.O. in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''. In "Valiant", for example, the Dominion shoot down the titular ship's escape pods moments after launch (but conveniently miss the main characters, who were shielded by the explosion of the ''Valiant''). They do take prisoners occasionally, though certainly not as a rule. This is defied in "The Changing Face of Evil," in which the female Founder orders Weyoun NOT to destroy a swarm of escape pods. Her reasoning is that the [[SpareAMessenger frightened troops will return home and spread their fear]], thereby demoralizing the enemies of the [[TheEmpire Dominion]].
* ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' ("In A Mirror, Darkly", Part One). ''Enterprise'' is destroyed by the Tholians who also shoot at the escape pods even though they're already trapped inside a Tholian energy web, as befitting the DarkerAndEdgier world of the MirrorUniverse. There are only [[The47Society 47 survivors]], but that's enough to allow a Part Two.

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This is usually the Dominion M.O. in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''. In "Valiant", for example, the Dominion shoot down the titular ship's escape pods moments after launch (but conveniently miss the main characters, who were shielded by the explosion of the ''Valiant''). They do take prisoners occasionally, though certainly not as a rule. This is defied in "The Changing Face of Evil," in which the female Founder orders Weyoun NOT to destroy a swarm of escape pods. Her reasoning is that the [[SpareAMessenger frightened troops will return home and spread their fear]], thereby demoralizing the enemies of the [[TheEmpire Dominion]].
* ** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' ("In A Mirror, Darkly", Part One). ''Enterprise'' is destroyed by the Tholians who also shoot at the escape pods even though they're already trapped inside a Tholian energy web, as befitting the DarkerAndEdgier world of the MirrorUniverse. There are only [[The47Society 47 survivors]], but that's enough to allow a Part Two.Two.
** In ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'', [[spoiler:Mirror Georgiou]] mentions that she had her ships fire upon the escape craft fleeing the planet she just rendered uninhabitable.
3rd Feb '18 12:30:39 PM maxwellsilver
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* German U-boats attacking Allied shipping during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII were accused of this on occasion. Hitler made a strongly worded suggestion towards this end [[EvenEvilHasStandards only to have Doenitz countermand it]]; the reasoning being that if the U-boat crews offered no mercy, they would be granted none. Given the number of U-boat crewmen who survived the war in Allied POW camps was several thousand, the decision was probably wise. Only one incident of a German submarine attacking lifeboats or people in the water was ever confirmed. This was vastly outnumbered by times when U-boat crews were surprisingly solicitous to people in lifeboats, offering food, navigation implements, and course to nearest land -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill in ''The Second World War'' even records a case of a U-Boat notifying the British of the coordinates of a sunk merchant ship.

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* German U-boats attacking Allied shipping during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII were accused of this on occasion. Hitler made a strongly worded suggestion towards this end [[EvenEvilHasStandards only to have Doenitz countermand it]]; it; the reasoning being that if the U-boat crews offered no mercy, they would be granted none. Given the number of U-boat crewmen who survived the war in Allied POW camps was several thousand, the decision was probably wise. Only one incident of a German submarine attacking lifeboats or people in the water was ever confirmed. This was vastly outnumbered by times when U-boat crews were surprisingly solicitous to people in lifeboats, offering food, navigation implements, and course to nearest land -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill in ''The Second World War'' even records a case of a U-Boat notifying the British of the coordinates of a sunk merchant ship.



* Similar to the above, the Battle of the Bismarck Sea ([[IThoughtItMeant no]], [[RealLife/CoolBoat not that Bismarck]]) A Japanese convoy heading to Papua New Guinea, composed of 8 transports and 8 escort destroyers, was attacked and completely sunk by Australian and American aircraft. Though the subsequent destruction of the lifeboats and any other floating objects from the air was presented as a military necessity, as they were close enough to land they could reach it and join the fight, it is much more likely that the attacks were large-scale retaliation for the fact several Allied airmen who bailed out were machinegunned hanging from their parachutes by the Japanese.

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* Similar to the above, the Battle of the Bismarck Sea ([[IThoughtItMeant no]], [[RealLife/CoolBoat not that Bismarck]]) Sea. A Japanese convoy heading to Papua New Guinea, composed of 8 transports and 8 escort destroyers, was attacked and completely sunk by Australian and American aircraft. Though the subsequent destruction of the lifeboats and any other floating objects from the air was presented as a military necessity, as they were close enough to land they could reach it and join the fight, it is much more likely that the attacks were large-scale retaliation for the fact several Allied airmen who bailed out were machinegunned hanging from their parachutes by the Japanese.



* The Commando Order in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII; any commandos captured by the Nazis were to be shot, even if in uniform and/or attempting to surrender. However, [[EvenEvilHasStandards some commanders, such as Rommel,]] refused to relay this order to their troops.

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* The Commando Order in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII; any commandos captured by the Nazis were to be shot, even if in uniform and/or attempting to surrender. However, [[EvenEvilHasStandards some commanders, such as Rommel,]] Rommel, refused to relay this order to their troops.



* There are several anecdotal accounts of Polish and Czech pilots in the Royal Air Force [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident "accidentally"]] flying too close to the canopies of the parachutes of German aircrew who had bailed out of shot-down aircraft and causing them to collapse. Fortunately for the large number of British servicemen in German POW camps at the time, the RAF apparently succeeded in putting a stop to this before it became widespread enough to provoke retaliation.

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* There are several anecdotal accounts of Polish and Czech pilots in the Royal Air Force [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident "accidentally"]] "accidentally" flying too close to the canopies of the parachutes of German aircrew who had bailed out of shot-down aircraft and causing them to collapse. Fortunately for the large number of British servicemen in German POW camps at the time, the RAF apparently succeeded in putting a stop to this before it became widespread enough to provoke retaliation.



* One of the most controversial segments of the [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict Six Day War]] involved the American spy ship, ''USS Liberty.'' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Theories abound as to why it was carried out,]] but the survivors state that after being napalmed, rocketed, and strafed by Israeli strike planes, Israeli gunboats torpedoed the ''Liberty'', the captain of the ''Liberty'' gave the order to AbandonShip. Seeing the American sailors making their way to the life boats, Israeli sailors then riddled the lifeboats with their deck guns, the empty lifeboats that landed in the water were then towed using hooks. Then, it is claimed, that several Israeli Commando filled helicopters were waiting for the chance to [[LeaveNoSurvivors board the crippled ship.]]

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* One of the most controversial segments of the [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict Six Day War]] involved the American spy ship, ''USS Liberty.USS ''Liberty.'' [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Theories abound as to why it was carried out,]] but the survivors state that after being napalmed, rocketed, and strafed by Israeli strike planes, Israeli gunboats torpedoed the ''Liberty'', the captain of the ''Liberty'' gave the order to AbandonShip. Seeing the American sailors making their way to the life boats, lifeboats, Israeli sailors then riddled the lifeboats with their deck guns, the empty lifeboats that landed in the water were then towed using hooks. Then, it is claimed, that several Israeli Commando filled helicopters were waiting for the chance to [[LeaveNoSurvivors board the crippled ship.]]
15th Jan '18 5:15:59 PM nombretomado
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* In the classic ''LlamasWithHats'' 2, Carl manages to sink an entire cruise ship. The dialogue goes something like:

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* In the classic ''LlamasWithHats'' ''WebAnimation/LlamasWithHats'' 2, Carl manages to sink an entire cruise ship. The dialogue goes something like:
28th Dec '17 8:28:15 AM BKelly95
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* ''Series/{{Community}}'' had a variation in the animated episode "G.I.Jeff" (the one where Jeff falls into a coma and dreams he's a member of Franchise/GIJoe). During the opening combat operation, Destro's plane is shot down and he ejects. As he's parachuting to safety, Jeff shoots his parachute and sends him plummeting to his death. [[RealityEnsues This gets him court-martialled.]]
12th Sep '17 2:08:37 AM Carnel
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* American submarines and aircraft would occasionally do this in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII if they sank a Japanese ship near Japanese-held or contested islands, on the grounds that Allied troops would have to later kill them anyway. Early in the war, they tried to rescue survivors from Japanese ships that sank or aircraft that were shot down, but after enough of the survivors refused help or tried to kill their would-be rescuers, preferring to go down fighting rather than be taken prisoner, the Americans lost interest in helping them. A regrettable case of IDidWhatIHadToDo or a serious case of MoralDissonance, take your pick. For their part, the Japanese would often execute rescued American fliers who were shot down over Japanese fleets, sometimes immediately after fishing them out of the water, and more than a quarter of captured westerners died in Japanese captivity. They were also known to shell life rafts or dense patches of sailors abandoning ships.

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* American submarines and aircraft would occasionally do this in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII if they sank a Japanese ship near Japanese-held or contested islands, on the grounds that Allied troops would have to later kill them anyway. Early in the war, they tried to rescue survivors from Japanese ships that sank or aircraft that were shot down, but after enough of the survivors refused help or tried to [[FarmerAndTheViper kill their would-be rescuers, rescuers]], preferring to go down fighting rather than be taken prisoner, the Americans lost interest in helping them. A regrettable case of IDidWhatIHadToDo or a serious case of MoralDissonance, take your pick. For their part, the Japanese would often execute rescued American fliers who were shot down over Japanese fleets, sometimes immediately after fishing them out of the water, and more than a quarter of captured westerners died in Japanese captivity. They were also known to shell life rafts or dense patches of sailors abandoning ships.
9th Jul '17 8:54:43 AM nombretomado
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* German U-boats attacking Allied shipping during [[WorldWarTwo World War II]] were accused of this on occasion. Hitler made a strongly worded suggestion towards this end [[EvenEvilHasStandards only to have Doenitz countermand it]]; the reasoning being that if the U-boat crews offered no mercy, they would be granted none. Given the number of U-boat crewmen who survived the war in Allied POW camps was several thousand, the decision was probably wise. Only one incident of a German submarine attacking lifeboats or people in the water was ever confirmed. This was vastly outnumbered by times when U-boat crews were surprisingly solicitous to people in lifeboats, offering food, navigation implements, and course to nearest land -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill in ''The Second World War'' even records a case of a U-Boat notifying the British of the coordinates of a sunk merchant ship.

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* German U-boats attacking Allied shipping during [[WorldWarTwo World War II]] UsefulNotes/WorldWarII were accused of this on occasion. Hitler made a strongly worded suggestion towards this end [[EvenEvilHasStandards only to have Doenitz countermand it]]; the reasoning being that if the U-boat crews offered no mercy, they would be granted none. Given the number of U-boat crewmen who survived the war in Allied POW camps was several thousand, the decision was probably wise. Only one incident of a German submarine attacking lifeboats or people in the water was ever confirmed. This was vastly outnumbered by times when U-boat crews were surprisingly solicitous to people in lifeboats, offering food, navigation implements, and course to nearest land -- UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill in ''The Second World War'' even records a case of a U-Boat notifying the British of the coordinates of a sunk merchant ship.



* American submarines and aircraft would occasionally do this in WorldWarTwo if they sank a Japanese ship near Japanese-held or contested islands, on the grounds that Allied troops would have to later kill them anyway. Early in the war, they tried to rescue survivors from Japanese ships that sank or aircraft that were shot down, but after enough of the survivors refused help or tried to kill their would-be rescuers, preferring to go down fighting rather than be taken prisoner, the Americans lost interest in helping them. A regrettable case of IDidWhatIHadToDo or a serious case of MoralDissonance, take your pick. For their part, the Japanese would often execute rescued American fliers who were shot down over Japanese fleets, sometimes immediately after fishing them out of the water, and more than a quarter of captured westerners died in Japanese captivity. They were also known to shell life rafts or dense patches of sailors abandoning ships.

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* American submarines and aircraft would occasionally do this in WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII if they sank a Japanese ship near Japanese-held or contested islands, on the grounds that Allied troops would have to later kill them anyway. Early in the war, they tried to rescue survivors from Japanese ships that sank or aircraft that were shot down, but after enough of the survivors refused help or tried to kill their would-be rescuers, preferring to go down fighting rather than be taken prisoner, the Americans lost interest in helping them. A regrettable case of IDidWhatIHadToDo or a serious case of MoralDissonance, take your pick. For their part, the Japanese would often execute rescued American fliers who were shot down over Japanese fleets, sometimes immediately after fishing them out of the water, and more than a quarter of captured westerners died in Japanese captivity. They were also known to shell life rafts or dense patches of sailors abandoning ships.



* The Commando Order in WorldWarII; any commandos captured by the Nazis were to be shot, even if in uniform and/or attempting to surrender. However, [[EvenEvilHasStandards some commanders, such as Rommel,]] refused to relay this order to their troops.

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* The Commando Order in WorldWarII; UsefulNotes/WorldWarII; any commandos captured by the Nazis were to be shot, even if in uniform and/or attempting to surrender. However, [[EvenEvilHasStandards some commanders, such as Rommel,]] refused to relay this order to their troops.
2nd Jul '17 11:20:58 PM Qube
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* In the classic ''LlamasWitHats'' 2, Carl manages to sink an entire cruise ship. The dialogue goes something like:

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* In the classic ''LlamasWitHats'' ''LlamasWithHats'' 2, Carl manages to sink an entire cruise ship. The dialogue goes something like:
26th Jun '17 4:50:01 AM Dravencour
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A particularly ruthless (and dishonorable) enemy may decide he wants [[LeaveNoSurvivors no one to live to tell the tale]]. He may torpedo the life boats, shoot down an EjectionSeat or two, blast the [[EscapePod Escape Pods]] to ions, etc. Obviously, this is usually [[MoralEventHorizon a pretty low thing to do]], and in RealLife wars, may (rightly) be considered [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar a war crime]], [[WouldNotShootACivilian especially if the craft in question was a civilian craft]].

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A particularly ruthless (and dishonorable) enemy may decide he wants [[LeaveNoSurvivors no one to live to tell the tale]]. He may torpedo the life boats, shoot down an EjectionSeat or two, blast the [[EscapePod Escape Pods]] to ions, seal off all exits, etc. Obviously, this is usually [[MoralEventHorizon a pretty low thing to do]], and in RealLife wars, may (rightly) be considered [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar a war crime]], [[WouldNotShootACivilian especially if the craft in question was a civilian craft]].
17th Jun '17 1:25:54 PM nombretomado
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** Shooting on the parachutes was common on many war theaters (especially the Eastern Front) and even during the [[WW1 First World War.]]

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** Shooting on the parachutes was common on many war theaters (especially the Eastern Front) and even during the [[WW1 [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI First World War.]]
14th May '17 8:49:28 PM Amahn
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* A Heroic example in ''Anime/TowardTheTerra''. After the 2nd (or was it 3rd?) TimeSkip (the series had a lot of them) [[spoiler: Jomey has taken over as Soldier and has had it with humans and their treatment of the Mu. To the point he basically declares war on humanity and broadcasts a warning to stay out of the Mu's way or die. To illustrate Jomey's new [[MoralEventHorizon state of mind]], Tony and the other Children Of The Mu take down an entire fleet of human warships with just 3 fighters. As the escape pods are trying to flee Tony lands on one and telepathically asks Jomey a question. The response is to do it. Tony then proceeds to destroy them all, leaving no survivors.]] Even the rest of the Mu are [[WhatTheHellHero taken aback by the move.]]

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* A Heroic rare heroic example in ''Anime/TowardTheTerra''. After the 2nd (or was it 3rd?) TimeSkip (the series had a lot of them) [[spoiler: Jomey has taken over as Soldier and has had it with humans and their treatment of the Mu. To the point he basically declares war on humanity and broadcasts a warning to stay out of the Mu's way or die. To illustrate Jomey's new [[MoralEventHorizon state of mind]], Tony and the other Children Of The Mu take down an entire fleet of human warships with just 3 fighters. As the escape pods are trying to flee Tony lands on one and telepathically asks Jomey a question. The response is to do it. Tony then proceeds to destroy them all, leaving no survivors.]] Even the rest of the Mu are [[WhatTheHellHero taken aback by the move.]]
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