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26th Oct '17 10:18:25 AM AnandaQ
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* A complaint by some looking to explain a general decline in quality in the American version of ''Series/{{The Office|US}}''. Once Pam and Jim get together in between seasons 3 and 4, they became a little more boring. The writers tried replacing them with other will-they-won't-they tensions and love triangles, such as breaking up Angela/Dwight, and then later introducing and breaking up Andy/Erin and Michael/Holly, but none of them had the same appeal as Jim and Pam's UST. Viewers complained that the show was turning into a "soap opera". This was exasperated by trying to drive a wedge between Jim and Pam post-marriage with other people who were fawning for them, which seemed like quite a reach that either would fall for a temptation. There isn't a whole lot of drama of whether Jim would ever think of cheating on Pam considering he was so in love with her, he bought an engagement ring ''the week they started dating''.

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* A complaint by some looking to explain a general decline in quality in the American version of ''Series/{{The Office|US}}''. Once Pam and Jim get together in between seasons 3 and 4, they became a little more boring. The writers tried replacing them with other will-they-won't-they tensions and love triangles, such as breaking up Angela/Dwight, and then later introducing and breaking up Andy/Erin and Michael/Holly, but none of them had the same appeal as Jim and Pam's UST. Viewers complained that the show was turning into a "soap opera". This was exasperated exacerbated by trying to drive a wedge between Jim and Pam post-marriage with other people who were fawning for them, which seemed like quite a reach that either would fall for a temptation. There isn't a whole lot of drama of whether Jim would ever think of cheating on Pam considering he was so in love with her, he bought an engagement ring ''the week they started dating''.
22nd Jul '17 6:43:44 AM sgamer82
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* Averted in the shoujo anime/manga ''Manga/AkagamiNoShirayukihime'', where the main couple are more or less a foregone conclusion from the first episode and are definitively together by the end of the first anime season. This wouldn't be all that unusual except that this corresponds to [[spoiler:the fourteenth]] chapter in an ongoing manga now over ''70 chapters long''. The second season (and ensuing manga chapters) have them as an established OfficialCouple, with conflict arising mainly from external forces and plenty of relationship development with other characters as well as each other.


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* Averted in the shoujo anime/manga ''Manga/SnowWhiteWithTheRedHair'', where the main couple are more or less a foregone conclusion from the first episode and are definitively together by the end of the first anime season. This wouldn't be all that unusual except that this corresponds to [[spoiler:the fourteenth]] chapter in an ongoing manga now over ''70 chapters long''. The second season (and ensuing manga chapters) have them as an established OfficialCouple, with conflict arising mainly from external forces and plenty of relationship development with other characters as well as each other.
13th Jul '17 6:31:45 AM Nyame
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* Many ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' fans would argue that "Olicity" has reached this point. Felicity was introduced as a cute and quirky character who made hilarious Freudian slips and had a quiet crush on Oliver. Meanwhile, the writers seemed to be dedicated to the comic book mandated pairing of Oliver and Laurel (Green Arrow/ Black Canary), even though the two had a painfully angsty relationship in which Laurel blamed Oliver for every bad thing that has happened ever and spends her time getting drunk, trying to destroy Green Arrow and generally being an unsympathetic character. Many fans campaigned for Olicity to become cannon even to the point of calling for Laurel to die. Fast forward to season 4 [[spoiler: Laurel/ Black Canary dies]] and Oliver and Felicity are an official couple and people are now calling for Olicity to break up or Felicity to be killed off. This can be attributed in part to Felicity's status as a BaseBreaker who some see as the best thing ever and other see as a CreatorsPet.

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* Many ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' fans would argue that "Olicity" has reached this point. Felicity was introduced as a cute and quirky character who made hilarious Freudian slips and had a quiet crush on Oliver. Meanwhile, the writers seemed to be dedicated to the comic book mandated pairing of Oliver and Laurel (Green Arrow/ Black Arrow/Black Canary), even though the two had a painfully angsty relationship in which Laurel blamed Oliver for every bad thing that has happened ever and spends her time getting drunk, trying to destroy Green Arrow and generally being an unsympathetic character. Many fans campaigned for Olicity to become cannon canon even to the point of calling for Laurel to die. Fast forward to season 4 [[spoiler: Laurel/ Black Laurel/Black Canary dies]] and Oliver and Felicity are an official couple and people are now calling for Olicity to break up or Felicity to be killed off. This can be attributed in part to Felicity's status as a BaseBreaker who some see TheScrappy Season Three onwards and how, after she and Oliver finally got together, the writers inserted drama into their relationship to keep it interesting, [[RomanticPlotTumor which eventually overtook the plot of Season Four]], now regarded as the best thing ever and other see as a CreatorsPet. worst season of the entire show.
10th Jul '17 10:26:52 PM Silverblade2
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* Many ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' fans would argue that "Olicity" has reached this point. Felicity was introduced as a cute and quirky character who made hilarious Freudian slips and had a quiet crush on Oliver. Meanwhile, the writers seemed to be dedicated to the comic book mandated pairing of Oliver and Laurel (Green Arrow/ Black Canary), even though the two had a painfully angsty relationship in which Laurel blamed Oliver for every bad thing that has happened ever and spends her time getting drunk, trying to destroy Green Arrow and generally being an unsympathetic character. Many fans campaigned for Olicity to become cannon even to the point of calling for Laurel to die. Fast forward to season 4 [[spoiler: Laurel/ Black Canary dies]] and Oliver and Felicity are an official couple and people are now calling for Olicity to break up or Felicity to be killed off. This can be attributed in part to Felicity's status as a BaseBreaker who some see as the best thing ever and other see as a MarySue or CreatorsPet. Or just to the massive CharacterDerailment of Felicity once they actually got together.

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* Many ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' fans would argue that "Olicity" has reached this point. Felicity was introduced as a cute and quirky character who made hilarious Freudian slips and had a quiet crush on Oliver. Meanwhile, the writers seemed to be dedicated to the comic book mandated pairing of Oliver and Laurel (Green Arrow/ Black Canary), even though the two had a painfully angsty relationship in which Laurel blamed Oliver for every bad thing that has happened ever and spends her time getting drunk, trying to destroy Green Arrow and generally being an unsympathetic character. Many fans campaigned for Olicity to become cannon even to the point of calling for Laurel to die. Fast forward to season 4 [[spoiler: Laurel/ Black Canary dies]] and Oliver and Felicity are an official couple and people are now calling for Olicity to break up or Felicity to be killed off. This can be attributed in part to Felicity's status as a BaseBreaker who some see as the best thing ever and other see as a MarySue or CreatorsPet. Or just to the massive CharacterDerailment of Felicity once they actually got together.
26th Jun '17 8:51:39 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'':
** It was widely speculated that the show would never put Castle and Beckett together, as the show was powered by the UST between the two leads, and the fandom is powerfully driven by shipping. Even Castle's actor, Creator/NathanFillion, was openly against it. However, the two finally hooked up (although they haven't married yet) at the end of Season 4, and have been happily in a relationship all through Season 5. Even Fillion admits he was wrong and the "Moonlighting Curse" has been broken.
** Season 4 (and season 3 to a lesser extent) are considered weak points, because the attempts to keep Castle and Beckett apart were pretty flimsy anyway. A good example is "The Limey". Castle and Beckett were each given a new RomanticFalseLead in the episode. Interestingly, instead of audience anger being directed toward the false leads (which happened previously with False Leads such as Detective Demming and Josh Davidson), the majority of the frustration instead landed on ''Castle and Beckett'', since they stubbornly refused to have a mature conversation about their feeling for each other, making it a rather obvious attempt to artificially extend the tension, leading fans to simply say "get on with it!"

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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'':
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''Series/{{Castle}}'': It was widely speculated that the show would never put Castle and Beckett together, as the show was powered by the UST between the two leads, and the fandom is powerfully driven by shipping. Even Castle's actor, Creator/NathanFillion, was openly against it. However, the two finally hooked up (although they haven't married yet) at the end of Season 4, and have been happily in a relationship all through Season 5. Even Fillion admits he was wrong and the "Moonlighting Curse" has been broken. \n** Season 4 (and season 3 to a lesser extent) are considered weak points, because the attempts to keep Castle and Beckett apart were pretty flimsy anyway. A good example is "The Limey". Castle and Beckett were each given a new RomanticFalseLead in the episode. Interestingly, instead of audience anger being directed toward the false leads (which happened previously with False Leads such as Detective Demming and Josh Davidson), the majority of the frustration instead landed on ''Castle and Beckett'', since they stubbornly refused to have a mature conversation about their feeling for each other, making it a rather obvious attempt to artificially extend the tension, leading fans to simply say "get on with it!"
26th Jun '17 6:29:10 PM AgentS7
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* One of the running plot threads in the first season of ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightVale'' is [[TheNarrator Cecil's]] (apparently unrequited) crush on HotScientist Carlos. Then, in the one year anniversary episode the two share a tender moment, and go on a first date a couple episodes later. The show is perfectly content in having the two of them be an adorable OfficialCouple, all while dealing with usual relationship difficulties (like the occasional missed date) along with the difficulties of living in a place like [[EldritchLocation Night Vale]].

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* One of the running plot threads in the first season of ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightVale'' is [[TheNarrator Cecil's]] (apparently unrequited) crush on HotScientist Carlos. Then, in the one year anniversary episode the two share a tender moment, and go on a first date a couple episodes later. The show is perfectly content in having the two of them be an adorable OfficialCouple, all while dealing with usual relationship difficulties (like the occasional missed date) along with the difficulties of living in a place like [[EldritchLocation Night Vale]]. In the first half of the year 2017, [[spoiler:the two of them finally tied the knot.]]
26th Jun '17 5:08:39 PM MyFinalEdits
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* Perhaps one of the greatest things about last season of ''Series/TheNanny'' is that it completely averted this. After a couple of seasons of WillTheyOrWontThey and {{Moment Killer}}s, Fran gets married to Max, and the show keeps being as good as it was before. This probably has something to do with the fact that the show's main focus was not on their relationship, but on all the [[SliceOfLife silly things that happened to them]]. Combine that with a big cast of characters which can divert the audience attention, and you have a series that doesn't depend that much on WillTheyOrWontThey anymore.

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* Perhaps one of the greatest things about last season of ''Series/TheNanny'' is that it completely averted this. After a couple of seasons of WillTheyOrWontThey and {{Moment Killer}}s, Fran gets married to Max, and the show keeps being as good as it was before. This probably has something to do with the fact that is because the show's main focus was not on their relationship, but on all the [[SliceOfLife silly things that happened to them]]. Combine that with a big cast of characters which can divert the audience attention, and you have a series that doesn't depend that much on WillTheyOrWontThey anymore.



* Averted by ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' with John and Aeryn, probably because they kept the two of them from getting together without possibility of "takebacks" until about three-quarters of the way through the last season. Other plausible reasons: they had to keep it secret because John was scared of Scorpius finding out, resulting in minimal screen time; when they were open about it they spent more time running for their lives and spinning [[GambitRoulette implausible plan after implausible plan in a desperate attempt to stay alive]] than in bed; they were the only two leads who looked fully human (though [[RuleThirtyFour that shouldn't stop]] ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' fans); or Claudia Black and Ben Browder may be just that good, which is very likely true even if any one of the above is ''also'' true. Because they are very, ''very'' good.
** It might also be relevant to note that Season 3's "Meltdown", generally considered the worst episode of the series, was also the one that featured the most explicit John/Aeryn action... though the sexy times were pretty hot, so it wasn't John and Aeryn's fault. Reportedly, Ben Browder actually wanted to invert the trope. Citing that "everyone knows that putting the leads together ends the show", he suggested early on that, in their first meeting, Aeryn and John should have slept together and then spent the rest of the show ''denying'' they had and trying to ''ignore'' the sexual tension. They were heavily implied to sleep together in the first season episode "a human reaction", they denied it ''fast''.
** The aversion might have been due to the fact that most of the relationships in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' were well written with multiple levels of development. Hence it didn't become so much the 'build-up is better than the result' but 'the build-up determines the result' (i.e. the result is as good as the build-up). Or it could be because they just kept kicking ass...

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* Averted by ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' with John and Aeryn, probably because they kept the two of them from getting together without possibility of "takebacks" until about three-quarters of the way through the last season. Other plausible reasons: they had to keep it secret because John was scared of Scorpius finding out, resulting in minimal screen time; when they were open about it they spent more time running for their lives and spinning [[GambitRoulette implausible plan after implausible plan in a desperate attempt to stay alive]] than in bed; they were the only two leads who looked fully human (though [[RuleThirtyFour that shouldn't stop]] ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' fans); or Claudia Black and Ben Browder may be just that good, which is very likely true even if any one of the above is ''also'' true. Because they are very, ''very'' good.
** It might also be relevant to note that
Season 3's "Meltdown", generally considered the worst episode of the series, was also the one that featured the most explicit John/Aeryn action... though the sexy times were pretty hot, so it wasn't John and Aeryn's fault. Reportedly, Ben Browder actually wanted to invert the trope. Citing that "everyone knows that putting the leads together ends the show", he suggested early on that, in their first meeting, Aeryn and John should have slept together and then spent the rest of the show ''denying'' they had and trying to ''ignore'' the sexual tension. They were heavily implied to sleep together in the first season episode "a human reaction", they denied it ''fast''.
** The aversion might have been due to the fact that most of the relationships in ''Series/{{Farscape}}'' were well written with multiple levels of development. Hence it didn't become so much the 'build-up is better than the result' but 'the build-up determines the result' (i.e. the result is as good as the build-up). Or it could be because they just kept kicking ass...
''fast''.
26th Jun '17 5:06:52 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'': It was widely speculated that the show would never put Castle and Beckett together, as the show was powered by the UST between the two leads, and the fandom is powerfully driven by shipping. Even Castle's actor, Creator/NathanFillion, was openly against it. However, the two finally hooked up (although they haven't married yet) at the end of Season 4, and have been happily in a relationship all through Season 5. Even Fillion admits he was wrong and the "Moonlighting Curse" has been broken.
** Furthermore, season 4 (and season 3 to a lesser extent) are considered something of a weak point, mostly because the attempts to keep Castle and Beckett apart were pretty flimsy anyway. A good example is "The Limey". Castle and Beckett were each given a new RomanticFalseLead in the episode. Interestingly, instead of audience anger being directed toward the false leads (which happened previously with False Leads such as Detective Demming and Josh Davidson), the majority of the frustration instead landed on ''Castle and Beckett'', since they stubbornly refused to have a mature conversation about their feeling for each other, making it a rather obvious attempt to artificially extend the tension, leading fans to simply say "get on with it!"

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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'': ''Series/{{Castle}}'':
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It was widely speculated that the show would never put Castle and Beckett together, as the show was powered by the UST between the two leads, and the fandom is powerfully driven by shipping. Even Castle's actor, Creator/NathanFillion, was openly against it. However, the two finally hooked up (although they haven't married yet) at the end of Season 4, and have been happily in a relationship all through Season 5. Even Fillion admits he was wrong and the "Moonlighting Curse" has been broken.
** Furthermore, season Season 4 (and season 3 to a lesser extent) are considered something of a weak point, mostly points, because the attempts to keep Castle and Beckett apart were pretty flimsy anyway. A good example is "The Limey". Castle and Beckett were each given a new RomanticFalseLead in the episode. Interestingly, instead of audience anger being directed toward the false leads (which happened previously with False Leads such as Detective Demming and Josh Davidson), the majority of the frustration instead landed on ''Castle and Beckett'', since they stubbornly refused to have a mature conversation about their feeling for each other, making it a rather obvious attempt to artificially extend the tension, leading fans to simply say "get on with it!"
26th Jun '17 12:55:01 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'': The two leads Creator/NathanFillion and Stana Katic didn't get along despite their onscreen chemistry - it's rumored that Fillion had his contract rewritten so she and Katic only filmed two days together. Near the end of season 8, Katic was let go, allegedly for budget reasons, and the series was canceled before it could make it to season 9.

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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'': The two leads Creator/NathanFillion and Stana Katic didn't get along despite their onscreen chemistry - it's rumored that Fillion had his contract rewritten so she and Katic only filmed two days together. Near the end of season 8, Katic was let go, allegedly for budget reasons, and the series was canceled before it could make it to season 9.



* Perhaps one of the greatest things about last season of ''Series/TheNanny'' is that it completely averted this. After a couple of seasons of WillTheyOrWontThey and {{Moment Killer}}s, Fran gets married to Max, and the show keeps being as good as it was before. This probably has something to do with the fact that the show main focus was not on their relationship, but on all the [[SliceOfLife silly things that happened to them]]. Combine that with a big cast of characters which can divert the audience attention, and you have a series that doesn't depend that much on WillTheyOrWontThey anymore.

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* Perhaps one of the greatest things about last season of ''Series/TheNanny'' is that it completely averted this. After a couple of seasons of WillTheyOrWontThey and {{Moment Killer}}s, Fran gets married to Max, and the show keeps being as good as it was before. This probably has something to do with the fact that the show show's main focus was not on their relationship, but on all the [[SliceOfLife silly things that happened to them]]. Combine that with a big cast of characters which can divert the audience attention, and you have a series that doesn't depend that much on WillTheyOrWontThey anymore.


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* ''Series/{{Castle}}'': It was widely speculated that the show would never put Castle and Beckett together, as the show was powered by the UST between the two leads, and the fandom is powerfully driven by shipping. Even Castle's actor, Creator/NathanFillion, was openly against it. However, the two finally hooked up (although they haven't married yet) at the end of Season 4, and have been happily in a relationship all through Season 5. Even Fillion admits he was wrong and the "Moonlighting Curse" has been broken.
** Furthermore, season 4 (and season 3 to a lesser extent) are considered something of a weak point, mostly because the attempts to keep Castle and Beckett apart were pretty flimsy anyway. A good example is "The Limey". Castle and Beckett were each given a new RomanticFalseLead in the episode. Interestingly, instead of audience anger being directed toward the false leads (which happened previously with False Leads such as Detective Demming and Josh Davidson), the majority of the frustration instead landed on ''Castle and Beckett'', since they stubbornly refused to have a mature conversation about their feeling for each other, making it a rather obvious attempt to artificially extend the tension, leading fans to simply say "get on with it!"
20th Jun '17 11:20:51 AM Lemia
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* You'd think that all of the people who wanted George and Izzie to end up together on ''Series/GreysAnatomy'' would have been happy that the writers are finally putting them together. Yet, some of the loudest complaints about that have come from former shippers rooting for that pairing.

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* You'd think that all of During the people who wanted George and Izzie to end up together on ''Series/GreysAnatomy'' would have been happy that earliest episodes of ''Series/GreysAnatomy'', George/Izzie was a popular FanPreferredPairing. However, when the show's writers are finally putting them together. Yet, decided to make it canon, some of the loudest complaints about that have come of it came from former shippers rooting for of that pairing.pairing because of how abruptly both characters went from pining after other people to wangsting over each other and how it involved a cheating subplot that made them rather unlikeable, and the pairing was quickly nipped in the bud.
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