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* In ''Heir Apparent'', Giannine plays a role-playing game [[spoiler:which ends up threatening her life through a fault in the machine]] in which the goal is to be crowned the king. Even if the player is a woman. Yeah, the designers didn't think that one through.
* ''AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Just before her impending coronation, Azula refers to herself as "Fire Lord". It is unknown if the Fire Nation ruler is AlwaysMale with Azula being the exception (Type 2), or if title is gender-neutral (Type 3).
** Maybe it's because something about the title "Fire Lady" just doesn't sound as regal. It sounds more like a lady MADE of fire than ruler of a nation.
* When using Latin titles, swapping the "-or" for "-rix" is a general rule when the holder of a position is a woman (seen in dominator/dominatrix), which means the feminine form of the Latin word "senator" is "senatrix". Once used with latin-derived words in English, this is now essentially extinct, which means "senatrix" is virtually unknown in English and "senator" is now considered unisex, straddling the line between Type 2 and Type 3.
** In Canada, women senators are called ''sénatrices'' in French.

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* In ''Heir Apparent'', Giannine plays a role-playing game [[spoiler:which ends up threatening her life through a fault in the machine]] in which the goal is to be crowned the king. Even if the player is a woman. Yeah, the designers didn't think that one through.
* ''AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Just before her impending coronation, Azula refers to herself as "Fire Lord". It is unknown if the Fire Nation ruler is AlwaysMale with Azula being the exception (Type 2), or if title is gender-neutral (Type 3).
** Maybe it's because something about the title "Fire Lady" just doesn't sound as regal. It sounds more like a lady MADE of fire than ruler of a nation.
* When using Latin titles, swapping the "-or" for "-rix" is a general rule when the holder of a position is a woman (seen in dominator/dominatrix), which means the feminine form of the Latin word "senator" is "senatrix". Once used with latin-derived words in English, this is now essentially extinct, which means "senatrix" is virtually unknown in English
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** In Canada, women senators are called ''sénatrices'' in French.
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* Winnowill in ElfQuest is Lord of the Gliders. A suggested reason is that the Gliders only ever had one ruler before that, and for something like 10,000 years, so she just took over the title.
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* Winnowill in ElfQuest ''ElfQuest'' is Lord of the Gliders. A suggested reason is that the Gliders only ever had one ruler before that, and for something like 10,000 years, so she just took over the title.
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* In ''Heir Apparent'', Giannine plays a role-playing game [[spoiler:which ends up threatening her life through a fault in the machine]] in which the goal is to be crowned the king. Even if the player is a woman. Yeah, the designers didn't think that one through.

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* ''AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Just before her impending coronation, Azula refers to herself as "Fire Lord". It is unknown if the Fire Nation ruler is AlwaysMale with Azula being the exception (Type 2), or if title is gender-neutral (Type 3).
** Maybe it's because something about the title "Fire Lady" just doesn't sound as regal. It sounds more like a lady MADE of fire than ruler of a nation.

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* When using Latin titles, swapping the "-or" for "-rix" is a general rule when the holder of a position is a woman (seen in dominator/dominatrix), which means the feminine form of the Latin word "senator" is "senatrix". Once used with latin-derived words in English, this is now essentially extinct, which means "senatrix" is virtually unknown in English and "senator" is now considered unisex, straddling the line between Type 2 and Type 3.
** In Canada, women senators are called ''sénatrices'' in French.
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It means that they act like male dwarves. And use "he".


** Does that mean that they actually treat each other as if they are male? Or are you just gender-biased and referring to a gender-neutral state as "male"?
*** Admitting to being female is like admitting you're gay. Seriously, YouShouldKnowThisAlready.
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** Under British and International law, only one of these titles is even valid, Lord of Mann; British titles held by the crown revert to the crown (so no Lancaster) and the title to Normandy was relinquished in the mid 13th century by treaty (besides which they held on the much juicier title of King of France for so long that the dynastic claim had been entirely meaningless). They're mainly a weird 19th century antiquarian's fancy; some may say it comes from Victoria, but it's unlikely, as she tried regularly to have the prince-consort recognized as a king-consort, and did use both the titles of Queen and Empress, and Duchesses of Normandy could and have ruled of their own right, which no twisting of the gender of the word itself would have otherwise changed.
*** [[DidNotDoTheResearch Er... what?]] According to the other wiki: '''(Duke of Normandy)''' ''The Loyal Toast in the Channel Islands is 'La Reine, notre Duc' or 'The Queen, our Duke' (or when the monarch is male, The King, our Duke), as the islands were formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy, the rest of which was renounced in 1259. According to the British monarchy's official website, "In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'." It goes on to say that "In 1106, William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy... While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy."'' And '''(Duchy of Lancaster)''' ''The duchy is not the property of The Crown, but is instead the personal (inherited) property of the monarch and has been since 1399, when the Dukedom of Lancaster, held by Henry of Bolingbroke, merged with the crown on his appropriation of the throne (after the dispossession from Richard II). The Loyal Toast, 'The Queen, the Duke of Lancaster' is still in frequent use within the Duchy.'' So, basically, they're still used. It's just not a legal thing so much as it is a personal holding and somewhat tradition-based title in both cases. Note that Lancaster is '''not''' held by the Crown, as you say, but is a personal holding (just like the Duchy of Cornwall). Also note that '''the rest (i.e. the continental French) portion of Normandy''' was given up in that treaty. In any case, people in the respective Duchies still refer to the Queen as "The Duke of _____", even if the monarch is female, so the point still stands.
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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title. There are two major variations of this: the woman rules under the outright legal fiction that she is a man, or the laws that say a queen can't rule [[LoopholeAbuse do not specify that a king must be male.]] Crowning a woman king also demonstrated that she ruled in her own right.

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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title. There are two major variations of this: the woman rules under the outright legal fiction that she is a man, or the laws that say a queen can't rule [[LoopholeAbuse do not specify that a king must be male.]] Crowning a woman king also demonstrated that she ruled rules in her own right.
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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title. There are two major variations of this: he woman rules under the outright legal fiction that she is a man, or the laws that say a queen can't rule [[LoopholeAbuse do not specify that a king must be male.]]

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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title. There are two major variations of this: he the woman rules under the outright legal fiction that she is a man, or the laws that say a queen can't rule [[LoopholeAbuse do not specify that a king must be male.]]]] Crowning a woman king also demonstrated that she ruled in her own right.
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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title. This can go along with the outright legal fiction that she is a man. It has been done to get around laws that say a queen can't rule, [[LoopholeAbuse but fail to specify that a king must be male.]]

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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title. This can go along with There are two major variations of this: he woman rules under the outright legal fiction that she is a man. It has been done to get around man, or the laws that say a queen can't rule, rule [[LoopholeAbuse but fail to do not specify that a king must be male.]]
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*** Admitting to being female is like admitting you're gay. Seriously, YouShouldKnowThisAlready.
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* [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Pirate King]] [[spoiler:Elizabeth Swann]].

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* [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean In PiratesOfTheCaribbean, Pirate King]] King [[spoiler:Elizabeth Swann]].
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* "Prince" is the title for the vampire ruler of a Camarilla city in ''VampireTheMasquerade'' or pretty much any city in ''VampireTheRequiem'', regardless of the prince's sex. The former explains the title is a tribute to NiccoloMachiavelli, as a Camarilla prince secures his/her position through cunning, charisma and brutality, not heredity.

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* "Prince" is the title for the vampire ruler of a Camarilla city in ''VampireTheMasquerade'' or pretty much any city in ''VampireTheRequiem'', regardless of the prince's sex. The former explains the title is as a tribute to NiccoloMachiavelli, as a Camarilla prince secures his/her position through cunning, charisma and brutality, not heredity.
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** Maybe it's because something about the title "Fire Lady" just doesn't sound as regal. It sounds more like a lady MADE of fire than ruler of a nation.
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** Does that mean that they actually treat each other as if they are male? Or are you just gender-biased and referring to a gender-neutral state as "male"?
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** Under British and International law, only one of these titles is even valid, Lord of Mann; british titles held by the crown revert to the crown (so no Lancaster) and the title to Normandy was relinquished in the mid 13th century by treaty (besides which they held on the much juicier title of King of France for so long that the dynastic claim had been entirely meaningless). They're mainly a weird 19th century antiquarian's fancy; some may say it comes from Victoria, but it's unlikely, as she tried regularly to have the prince-consort recognized as a king-consort, and did use both the titles of Queen and Empress, and duchesses of Normandy could and have ruled of their own right, which no twisting of the gender of the word itself would have otherwise changed.

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** Under British and International law, only one of these titles is even valid, Lord of Mann; british British titles held by the crown revert to the crown (so no Lancaster) and the title to Normandy was relinquished in the mid 13th century by treaty (besides which they held on the much juicier title of King of France for so long that the dynastic claim had been entirely meaningless). They're mainly a weird 19th century antiquarian's fancy; some may say it comes from Victoria, but it's unlikely, as she tried regularly to have the prince-consort recognized as a king-consort, and did use both the titles of Queen and Empress, and duchesses Duchesses of Normandy could and have ruled of their own right, which no twisting of the gender of the word itself would have otherwise changed.




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**While the title is normally translated as "Emperor", the literal translation is the gender-neutral "Heavenly Sovereign".
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* While under the current constitution women are bared from the line of succession historically eight women have held Japan's Chrysanthemum Throne. All of them used the same title as their male counterparts ''tennō''.
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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title, perhaps along with the outright legal fiction that she is a man. This seems to be the most common.

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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title, perhaps title. This can go along with the outright legal fiction that she is a man. This seems man. It has been done to get around laws that say a queen can't rule, [[LoopholeAbuse but fail to specify that a king must be the most common.male.]]
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**Elizabeth also referred to herself in her speeches and writings as a "prince," which although it has masculine connotations was an accepted term for a monarch at the time.
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* In ''[[{{Discworld}} The Fifth Elephant]]'', the dwarf Low King turns out to be female. More the third type than second or first, because most dwarves don't acknowledge gender distinctions.

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* In ''[[{{Discworld}} The Fifth Elephant]]'', the dwarf Low King turns out is quite strongly implied to be female. female (it's never explicitly confirmed either way). More the third type than second or first, because most dwarves don't acknowledge gender distinctions.distinctions; in traditional dwarfish culture, all dwarfs are effectively male.
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* Jadwiga of Anjou, king of Poland. This one is a fine case of ThereAintNoRule: Although the law made no provision for a ruling queen (''Regina Poloniae''), no law said that the king had to be male.

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* Jadwiga of Anjou, king of Poland. This one is a fine case of ThereAintNoRule: "[[AintNoRule there ain't no rule]]": Although the law made no provision for a ruling queen (''Regina Poloniae''), no law said that the king had to be male.
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* Jadwiga of Anjou, king of Poland.

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* Jadwiga of Anjou, king of Poland. This one is a fine case of ThereAintNoRule: Although the law made no provision for a ruling queen (''Regina Poloniae''), no law said that the king had to be male.
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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title, perhaps along with the outright legal fiction that she is a man.

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# When the ruler is ''openly'' a woman, but still has a masculine title, perhaps along with the outright legal fiction that she is a man. This seems to be the most common.
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*** According to the other wiki: '''(Duke of Normandy)''' ''The Loyal Toast in the Channel Islands is 'La Reine, notre Duc' or 'The Queen, our Duke' (or when the monarch is male, The King, our Duke), as the islands were formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy, the rest of which was renounced in 1259. According to the British monarchy's official website, "In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'." It goes on to say that "In 1106, William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy... While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy."'' And '''(Duchy of Lancaster)''' ''The duchy is not the property of The Crown, but is instead the personal (inherited) property of the monarch and has been since 1399, when the Dukedom of Lancaster, held by Henry of Bolingbroke, merged with the crown on his appropriation of the throne (after the dispossession from Richard II). The Loyal Toast, 'The Queen, the Duke of Lancaster' is still in frequent use within the Duchy.'' So, basically, they're still used. It's just not a legal thing so much as it is a tradition-based title in both cases. Note that Lancaster is '''not''' held by the Crown, as you say, but is a personal holding (just like the Duchy of Cornwall). Also note that '''the rest (i.e. the continental French) portion of Normandy''' was given up in that treaty. In any case, people in the respective Duchies still refer to the Queen as "The Duke of _____", even if the monarch is female, so the point still stands.

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*** [[DidNotDoTheResearch Er... what?]] According to the other wiki: '''(Duke of Normandy)''' ''The Loyal Toast in the Channel Islands is 'La Reine, notre Duc' or 'The Queen, our Duke' (or when the monarch is male, The King, our Duke), as the islands were formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy, the rest of which was renounced in 1259. According to the British monarchy's official website, "In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'." It goes on to say that "In 1106, William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy... While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy."'' And '''(Duchy of Lancaster)''' ''The duchy is not the property of The Crown, but is instead the personal (inherited) property of the monarch and has been since 1399, when the Dukedom of Lancaster, held by Henry of Bolingbroke, merged with the crown on his appropriation of the throne (after the dispossession from Richard II). The Loyal Toast, 'The Queen, the Duke of Lancaster' is still in frequent use within the Duchy.'' So, basically, they're still used. It's just not a legal thing so much as it is a personal holding and somewhat tradition-based title in both cases. Note that Lancaster is '''not''' held by the Crown, as you say, but is a personal holding (just like the Duchy of Cornwall). Also note that '''the rest (i.e. the continental French) portion of Normandy''' was given up in that treaty. In any case, people in the respective Duchies still refer to the Queen as "The Duke of _____", even if the monarch is female, so the point still stands.
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*** According to the other wiki: '''(Duke of Normandy)''' ''The Loyal Toast in the Channel Islands is La Reine, notre Duc or The Queen, our Duke (or when the monarch is male, The King, our Duke), as the islands were formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy, the rest of which was renounced in 1259. According to the British monarchy's official website, "In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'." It goes on to say that "In 1106, William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy... While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy."'' And '''(Duchy of Lancaster)''' ''The duchy is not the property of The Crown, but is instead the personal (inherited) property of the monarch and has been since 1399, when the Dukedom of Lancaster, held by Henry of Bolingbroke, merged with the crown on his appropriation of the throne (after the dispossession from Richard II). The Loyal Toast, 'The Queen, the Duke of Lancaster' is still in frequent use within the Duchy.'' So, basically, they're still used. It's just not a legal thing so much as it is a tradition-based title in both cases. People in the respective Duchies still refer to the Queen as "The Duke of _____", even if the monarch is female, so the point still stands.

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*** According to the other wiki: '''(Duke of Normandy)''' ''The Loyal Toast in the Channel Islands is La 'La Reine, notre Duc Duc' or The 'The Queen, our Duke Duke' (or when the monarch is male, The King, our Duke), as the islands were formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy, the rest of which was renounced in 1259. According to the British monarchy's official website, "In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'." It goes on to say that "In 1106, William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy... While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy."'' And '''(Duchy of Lancaster)''' ''The duchy is not the property of The Crown, but is instead the personal (inherited) property of the monarch and has been since 1399, when the Dukedom of Lancaster, held by Henry of Bolingbroke, merged with the crown on his appropriation of the throne (after the dispossession from Richard II). The Loyal Toast, 'The Queen, the Duke of Lancaster' is still in frequent use within the Duchy.'' So, basically, they're still used. It's just not a legal thing so much as it is a tradition-based title in both cases. People Note that Lancaster is '''not''' held by the Crown, as you say, but is a personal holding (just like the Duchy of Cornwall). Also note that '''the rest (i.e. the continental French) portion of Normandy''' was given up in that treaty. In any case, people in the respective Duchies still refer to the Queen as "The Duke of _____", even if the monarch is female, so the point still stands.

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** Under British and International law, only one of these titles is even valid, Lord of Mann; british titles held by the crown revert to the crown (so no Lancaster) and the title to Normandy was relinquished in the mid 13th century by treaty (besides which they held on the much juicier title of King of France for so long that the dynastic claim had been entirely meaningless). They're mainly a weird 19th century antiquarian's fancy; some may say it comes from Victoria, but it's unlikely, as she tried regularly to have the prince-consort recognized as a king-consort, and did use both the titles of Queen and Empress, and duchesses of Normandy could and have ruled of their own right, which no twisting of the gender of the word itself would have otherwise changed..

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** Under British and International law, only one of these titles is even valid, Lord of Mann; british titles held by the crown revert to the crown (so no Lancaster) and the title to Normandy was relinquished in the mid 13th century by treaty (besides which they held on the much juicier title of King of France for so long that the dynastic claim had been entirely meaningless). They're mainly a weird 19th century antiquarian's fancy; some may say it comes from Victoria, but it's unlikely, as she tried regularly to have the prince-consort recognized as a king-consort, and did use both the titles of Queen and Empress, and duchesses of Normandy could and have ruled of their own right, which no twisting of the gender of the word itself would have otherwise changed..changed.
*** According to the other wiki: '''(Duke of Normandy)''' ''The Loyal Toast in the Channel Islands is La Reine, notre Duc or The Queen, our Duke (or when the monarch is male, The King, our Duke), as the islands were formerly part of the Duchy of Normandy, the rest of which was renounced in 1259. According to the British monarchy's official website, "In the Channel Islands The Queen is known as The Duke of Normandy. At official functions, islanders raise the loyal toast to 'The Duke of Normandy, our Queen'." It goes on to say that "In 1106, William's youngest son Henry I seized the Duchy of Normandy from his brother Robert; since that time, the English Sovereign has always held the title Duke of Normandy... While the islands today retain autonomy in government, they owe allegiance to The Queen in her role as Duke of Normandy."'' And '''(Duchy of Lancaster)''' ''The duchy is not the property of The Crown, but is instead the personal (inherited) property of the monarch and has been since 1399, when the Dukedom of Lancaster, held by Henry of Bolingbroke, merged with the crown on his appropriation of the throne (after the dispossession from Richard II). The Loyal Toast, 'The Queen, the Duke of Lancaster' is still in frequent use within the Duchy.'' So, basically, they're still used. It's just not a legal thing so much as it is a tradition-based title in both cases. People in the respective Duchies still refer to the Queen as "The Duke of _____", even if the monarch is female, so the point still stands.
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* Queen Seondeok of Silla.
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* The Basitin [[HotAmazon King]] [[InstantHarem Adelaide]] from ''TwoKinds''.

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* The Basitin [[HotAmazon King]] [[InstantHarem [[InstantFanClub Adelaide]] from ''TwoKinds''.
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* The Basitins' king from ''TwoKinds''.

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* The Basitins' king Basitin [[HotAmazon King]] [[InstantHarem Adelaide]] from ''TwoKinds''.
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* [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Pirate King Elizabeth Swann]].

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* [[PiratesOfTheCaribbean Pirate King Elizabeth King]] [[spoiler:Elizabeth Swann]].
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\n* "Prince" is the title for the vampire ruler of a Camarilla city in ''VampireTheMasquerade'' or pretty much any city in ''VampireTheRequiem'', regardless of the prince's sex. The former explains the title is a tribute to NiccoloMachiavelli, as a Camarilla prince secures his/her position through cunning, charisma and brutality, not heredity.
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** In Canada, women senators are called ''sénatrices'' in French.
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This trope is when a woman reigns under a masculine title. There are three varieties.

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This trope is when a woman reigns under a masculine title.title, and usually with all the authority that title implies. There are three varieties.

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