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29th Nov '16 7:08:32 PM merotoker
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* Parodies in ''Series/TheAddamsFamily'', where Morticia's sister rejects the second-richest man in the world because "mother always said never to settle for second best. (Later she hooks up with someone who's rich ''and'' [[NapoleonDelusion thinks he's Napoleon]].)

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* Parodies Parodied in ''Series/TheAddamsFamily'', where Morticia's sister rejects the second-richest man in the world because "mother always said never to settle for second best. (Later she hooks up with someone who's rich ''and'' [[NapoleonDelusion thinks he's Napoleon]].)



* ''[[ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}} You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown]]'' shows Charlie Brown coming in second in the spelling bee and the rest of the kids giving him hell for it.
* In ''WesternAnimation/ABoyNamedCharlieBrown'', Charlie Brown is a competitor in the National Spelling Bee Championship and ends up second and feels like a miserable failure. However, this is FridgeLogic considering that while misspelling a relatively easy word like "beagle" is embarrassing (especially when his pet Snoopy is one), the fact remains that Charlie Brown beat out almost all the top contenders in the entire country and that surely should count for something.

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* ''[[ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}} You're ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}''
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a Good Man, Charlie Brown]]'' Brown'' shows Charlie Brown coming in second in the spelling bee and the rest of the kids giving him hell for it.
* ** In ''WesternAnimation/ABoyNamedCharlieBrown'', Charlie Brown is a competitor in the National Spelling Bee Championship and ends up second and feels like a miserable failure. However, this is FridgeLogic considering that while misspelling a relatively easy word like "beagle" is embarrassing (especially when his pet Snoopy is one), the fact remains that Charlie Brown beat out almost all the top contenders in the entire country and that surely should count for something.



* The Misfits from ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}'' were the number one band in America until Jem And The Holograms came along. Even then, they're just barely in second place. Despite this they [[SoreLoser absolutely hate being second]] and are frequently trying to dethrone Jem's band (usually by violence or other improper means). When it comes to their lead singer Pizzazz, this is related to her FreudianExcuse. Her mother [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned her]] and her father when she was young and her father [[ParentalNeglect was very distant]] and preferred to throw presents at her rather than spend time with her. She came to [[AttentionWhore crave attention]] and uses her fans as a substitute for it. Pizzazz wants to be the number one band and won't take second place. In one episode The Misfits lost a contest with the Holograms where the objective was to sell more records, losing by ''one sale''. Stormer even reminded her two friends that they had managed to sell a million albums (the equivalent of a platinum) but Pizzazz was ''still'' furious.

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* The Misfits from ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}'' were the number one band in America until Jem And The and the Holograms came along. Even then, they're just barely in second place. Despite this they [[SoreLoser absolutely hate being second]] and are frequently trying to dethrone Jem's band (usually by violence or other improper means). When it comes to their lead singer Pizzazz, this is related to her FreudianExcuse. Her mother [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned her]] and her father when she was young and her father [[ParentalNeglect was very distant]] and preferred to throw presents at her rather than spend time with her. She came to [[AttentionWhore crave attention]] and uses her fans as a substitute for it. Pizzazz wants to be the number one band and won't take second place. In one episode The Misfits lost a contest with the Holograms where the objective was to sell more records, losing by ''one sale''. Stormer even reminded her two friends that they had managed to sell a million albums (the equivalent of a platinum) but Pizzazz was ''still'' furious.



* There was significant media controversy in Australia during the London Olympics centered around this attitude being incredibly prevalent towards the Australian swimming team, to the point where conflict around the long-standing tendency for this trope to be employed towards the team overshadowed the Olympics themselves for the first several days of competition, particularly Emily Seebohm all but bursting into tears in an interview after placing second in 100m backstroke because she thought she'd disappointed everyone, which many thought exposed just how much pressure the sporting culture places on athletes and how much backlash they really do have to fear if they take home anything other than gold. Todd Sampson summed it up on ''TheGruenTransfer'': "We like to think we're a sport-mad nation. The truth is, we're a winning-mad nation."

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* There was significant media controversy in Australia during the London Olympics centered around this attitude being incredibly prevalent towards the Australian swimming team, to the point where conflict around the long-standing tendency for this trope to be employed towards the team overshadowed the Olympics themselves for the first several days of competition, particularly Emily Seebohm all but bursting into tears in an interview after placing second in 100m backstroke because she thought she'd disappointed everyone, which many thought exposed just how much pressure the sporting culture places on athletes and how much backlash they really do have to fear if they take home anything other than gold. Todd Sampson summed it up on ''TheGruenTransfer'': ''Series/TheGruenTransfer'': "We like to think we're a sport-mad nation. The truth is, we're a winning-mad nation."
2nd Nov '16 1:52:54 PM kablammin45
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* Something similar to the above also happened to an extent with ''VideoGame/PokkenTournament'', where a Pokémon confirmed to be a Support Pokémon was met with a negative response as it essentially confirmed that they wouldn't be playable. (Especially in the case of certain Pokémon like Dragonite who many would have found to be a perfect fit.) However, Croagunk was eventually added to the game despite already being a Support Pokémon, so perhaps there's still hope for the other Support Pokémon.
11th Oct '16 6:20:39 AM Jeduthun
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Contrast TheRunnerUpTakesItAll, SecondPlaceIsForWinners.

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Contrast TheRunnerUpTakesItAll, SecondPlaceIsForWinners.
SecondPlaceIsForWinners. Compare and contrast DisqualificationInducedVictory.
6th Oct '16 3:32:28 PM Tightwire
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* In an episode of ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'', Bender enters Zoidberg in a pet show. When Zoidberg wins second place, Bender says the page quote.

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* In an episode of ''{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}}'', Bender enters Zoidberg in a pet show. When Zoidberg wins second place, Bender says the page quote.quote - even though he cheated to get there.
6th Oct '16 3:29:57 PM Tightwire
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When people think Second Place Is For Losers, it basically means that if someone gets second place in a competition (that has more than two contestants), it's little better than coming in last. It doesn't matter if you've won a footrace with everyone on the planet, and bested 6,999,999,998 people. All that matters is you didn't beat the one.

Some athletes really do feel that way, coming so close and yet missing the mark. For example, one scientific study analyzed photographs of the facial expressions of many Olympians as they learned how they had placed. Gold of course was almost always ecstatic and Bronze medalists were happy to have placed at all, but a Silver winner usually showed disappointment or dejection at coming in second best, unless it was their first time competing. This is especially true in tournament-style sports where the bronze team had won their game, but the silver medalists had ''lost'' the game for gold. And then the presentation ceremony takes place immediately upon conclusion of the last match, so you can excuse the runner up for feeling sore at having lost about 10 minutes ago.

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You gotta face it; no matter how happy you are to be on that awards stand, first place is still better than second. But sometimes a person takes this a bit too far. When people think somebody starts acting like Second Place Is For Losers, it basically means that if someone gets second place in a competition (that has more than two contestants), it's little better than coming in last. It doesn't matter if you've won a footrace with everyone on the planet, and bested 6,999,999,998 people. All that matters is you didn't beat the one.

Some Real Life athletes really do feel that way, way quite deeply, coming so close and yet missing the mark. For example, one scientific study analyzed photographs of the facial expressions of many Olympians as they learned how they had placed. Gold of course was almost always ecstatic and Bronze medalists were happy to have placed at all, but a Silver winner usually showed disappointment or dejection at coming in second best, unless it was their first time competing. This is especially true in tournament-style sports where the bronze team had won their game, but the silver medalists had ''lost'' the game for gold. And then the presentation ceremony takes place immediately upon conclusion of the last match, so you can excuse the runner up for feeling sore at having lost about 10 minutes ago.



* American gymnast [=McKayla=] Maroney, has been gracious in her public comments, saying that she is grateful and appreciative of her silver medal in the vault despite being an overwhelming favourite for gold. Still, her face is the picture for this trope and it could sour fresh cream, as well as having launched a meme (which, to her credit, she's had fun with) - and, given that she ''would'' have won if she'd not sat down her second vault, it's difficult to blame her for kicking herself.



* American gymnast [=McKayla=] Maroney, has been gracious in her public comments, saying that she is grateful and appreciative of her silver medal in the vault despite being an overwhelming favorite for gold. Still, her face in the picture for this trope could sour fresh cream, as well as launching a meme (which, to her credit, she's had fun with) -- and, given that she ''would'' have won if she'd not sat down her second vault, it's difficult to blame her for kicking herself.
6th Oct '16 3:19:53 PM Tightwire
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* Buzz Aldrin was described by Michael Collins as letting his disappointment at not being ''First'' on the moon, to cause him not to appreciate being second. The other 10 men for the most part are just happy they got to walk on the moon.

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* Buzz Aldrin was described by Michael Collins as letting his disappointment at not being ''First'' ''first'' on the moon, to cause him not to appreciate being second. The other 10 men for However, many people ''do'' remember him as being the most part are just happy they got man who was ''almost'' the first to walk on the moon.moon, while the other 10 men on that ship generally feel lucky to have been on the moon at all.
6th Oct '16 3:11:36 PM Tightwire
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[[caption-width-right:350:[=McKayla=] Maroney has won the Silver. And look at how happy she is!]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:[=McKayla=] Maroney has won the Silver. And look just ''look'' at how happy she is!]]



* American gymnast [=McKayla=] Maroney has been gracious in her public comments, saying that she is grateful and appreciative of her silver medal in the vault despite being an overwhelming favorite for gold. Still, her face on the medal stand provides the picture for this trope as well as launching a meme (which, to her credit, she's had fun with) -- and, given that she ''would'' have won if she'd not sat down her second vault, it's difficult to blame her for kicking herself.
* Nancy Kerrigan clearly had this feeling after winning the silver medal at the 1994 Lillehammer Games, given her snarky to the point of cruelty comment regarding gold medalist Oksana Baiul's uncontrollable weeping as well as the clearly displeased expression that she wore throughout. It's slightly understandable given that (a) she lost the gold by a ridiculously slim margin (a mere tenth of a point gave Baiul the gold medal over her) and (b) skated what is unanimously believed to be her best performance ever, one that was more difficult than Baiul's and arguably better skated, (c) considering the myriad of problems she had to overcome--succumbing to nerves, a polemic attack and subsequent physical injury, tremendous pressure to win. Still, petty and needless as Hell, [[NeverLiveItDown and the skating fandom hasn't forgotten it.]]
** Similarly, although Japan's Midori Ito probably did not feel like this herself--she won silver at the 1992 Albertville Games after a disastrous week that left many wondering if she would win a medal at all--she knew her fellow countrymen would, especially since she had come into the games as the favorite. As such, she made a public apology for not winning the gold medal.

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* American gymnast [=McKayla=] Maroney Maroney, has been gracious in her public comments, saying that she is grateful and appreciative of her silver medal in the vault despite being an overwhelming favorite for gold. Still, her face on the medal stand provides in the picture for this trope could sour fresh cream, as well as launching a meme (which, to her credit, she's had fun with) -- and, given that she ''would'' have won if she'd not sat down her second vault, it's difficult to blame her for kicking herself.
* Nancy Kerrigan clearly had this feeling after winning the silver medal at the 1994 Lillehammer Games, given her snarky to the point of cruelty comment regarding gold medalist Oksana Baiul's uncontrollable weeping as well as the clearly displeased expression that she wore throughout. It's slightly understandable given that (a) she lost the gold by a ridiculously slim margin (a mere tenth of a point gave Baiul the gold medal over her) and gold), (b) skated what is unanimously believed to be her best performance ever, one that was more difficult than Baiul's yet, and arguably better skated, (c) considering the a myriad of problems she had to overcome--succumbing be overcome - succumbing to nerves, a polemic attack and subsequent physical injury, tremendous pressure to win. Still, petty and needless as Hell, [[NeverLiveItDown and the skating fandom hasn't forgotten it.]]
** Similarly, although Japan's Midori Ito probably did not feel like behave this herself--she way herself - she won silver at the 1992 Albertville Games after a disastrous week that left many wondering if she would win a medal at all--she all - she knew her fellow countrymen would, especially since she had come into the games as the favorite. As such, she made a public apology for not winning the gold medal.



* There was significant media controversy in the Australia during the London Olympics centered around this attitude being incredibly prevalent towards the Australian swimming team, to the point where conflict around the long-standing tendency for this trope to be employed towards the team overshadowed the Olympics themselves for the first several days of competition, particularly Emily Seebohm all but bursting into tears in an interview after placing second in 100m backstroke because she thought she'd disappointed everyone, which many thought exposed just how much pressure the sporting culture places on athletes and how much backlash they really do have to fear if they take home anything other than gold. Todd Sampson summed it up on ''TheGruenTransfer'': "We like to think we're a sport-mad nation. The truth is, we're a winning-mad nation."

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* There was significant media controversy in the Australia during the London Olympics centered around this attitude being incredibly prevalent towards the Australian swimming team, to the point where conflict around the long-standing tendency for this trope to be employed towards the team overshadowed the Olympics themselves for the first several days of competition, particularly Emily Seebohm all but bursting into tears in an interview after placing second in 100m backstroke because she thought she'd disappointed everyone, which many thought exposed just how much pressure the sporting culture places on athletes and how much backlash they really do have to fear if they take home anything other than gold. Todd Sampson summed it up on ''TheGruenTransfer'': "We like to think we're a sport-mad nation. The truth is, we're a winning-mad nation."
11th Sep '16 11:58:26 PM DKW001
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* When there are ''actual'' consequences for getting second place, like not winning a certain prize that was the hero's main reason for entering, such as money to save their beloved school from closing.

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* When there are ''actual'' serious consequences for getting second place, not being first, like not winning a certain prize that was the hero's main reason for entering, such as money to save their beloved school from closing.
7th Sep '16 1:43:09 AM LinTaylor
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** In fact, Goku's lost in the 21st Tournament was to Master Roshi himself (in the guise of Jackie Chun), specifically because he wanted to teach Goku and Krillin ''not'' to go through this trope since there's AlwaysSomeoneBetter''. As demonstrated above, it didn't take, but years later Goku responds to the idea of stronger opponents with [[BloodKnight child-like enthusiasm]].
1st Sep '16 2:22:10 PM jboone93
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In ''Anime/Pokémon'', Ash never makes it further than the Top eight or maybe the Top 4 of a major League tournament. The one time he became runner-up, however, the most vocal InternetBackdraft erupted, thanks in no small part to the fact it was hyped up as his ultimate battle and victory.

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* In ''Anime/Pokémon'', ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'', Ash never makes it further than the Top eight or maybe the Top 4 of a major League tournament. The one time he became runner-up, however, the most vocal InternetBackdraft erupted, thanks in no small part to the fact it was hyped up as his ultimate battle and victory.
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