History Main / SecondLawOfGenderbending

17th May '17 12:10:58 PM DaibhidC
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* Largely averted in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' despite all of the constant GenderBending: Elliot has no interest in remaining female for long and considers his gender-bending PowerIncontinence distasteful, Justin specifically rejects the idea even though it would make him sexually compatible with the object of his unrequited affection, Ellen accepts it without expressing any preference (though there are hints that the LossOfIdentity associated with [[OppositeSexClone Opposite Sex]] CloningBlues was a sore point until she got a new set of memories).

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* Largely averted Used sparingly in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' despite all of the constant GenderBending: Elliot has no interest in remaining female for long and considers his gender-bending PowerIncontinence distasteful, GenderBending:
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Justin specifically rejects the idea even though it would make him sexually compatible with the object of his unrequited affection, Ellen accepts it without expressing any preference (though there are hints that the LossOfIdentity associated with [[OppositeSexClone Opposite Sex]] CloningBlues was a sore point until she got a new set of memories).affection.



** The current theory is that Elliot will acquire new female forms again and again until he really likes one of them -- then again, it was [[ChivalrousPervert Tedd]]'s idea. Between [[spoiler:flying around as a [[ChronicHeroSyndrome superhero]]''ine'']] and [[spoiler:ogling PerkyGoth form in a mirror]], he may have found this already.
** Tedd is the only straight example. He likes this form of shapeshifting because his androgynous face becomes an advantage while close enough to Tedd's own form and he likes to feel attractive. Once this problem became moot [[FirstLawOfGenderBending it was revealed]] that BodySwap is [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-08-07 #37 on his fetish list]].

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** The current theory is that Elliot will acquire new initially had no interest in remaining female forms again for long and again until considered his gender-bending PowerIncontinence distasteful. However, upon finding aspects of his magic he really likes one of them -- then again, it was [[ChivalrousPervert Tedd]]'s idea. Between [[spoiler:flying liked ([[spoiler:flying around as a [[ChronicHeroSyndrome superhero]]''ine'']] and [[spoiler:ogling PerkyGoth his {{Goth}} form in a mirror]], mirror]]) he's grown to accept the female forms [[spoiler: to the point of being worried that he may have found this already.
might lose them if magic changes]].
** Tedd is the only a straight example. He likes this form of shapeshifting because his androgynous face becomes an advantage while close enough to Tedd's own form and he likes to feel attractive. Once this problem became moot [[FirstLawOfGenderBending it was revealed]] that BodySwap is [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2006-08-07 #37 on his fetish list]]. Later strips established he's actually genderfluid, he just didn't know the term.
** Ellen states she doesn't suffer gender dysphoria and wouldn't want to be male (though there are hints that the LossOfIdentity associated with [[OppositeSexClone Opposite Sex]] CloningBlues was a sore point until she got a new set of memories).
4th Apr '17 9:55:14 PM Timjames98
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* Another aversion is in the case of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus Sporus]], a slave boy whom Emperor Nero [[CripplingCastration castrated]] and [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe took as a "wife"]] (because Sporus physically resembled Nero's dead wife). Sporus was then forced to marry Nero's next two sucessors, until Nero's third sucessor planned to [[HuliationConga have Sporus raped by gladiators as entertainment]] by which point [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled Sporus hilled himself]].

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* Another aversion is in the case of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus Sporus]], a slave boy whom Emperor Nero [[CripplingCastration castrated]] and [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe took as a "wife"]] (because Sporus physically resembled Nero's dead wife). Sporus was then forced to marry Nero's next two sucessors, successors, until Nero's third sucessor successor planned to [[HuliationConga [[HumiliationConga have Sporus raped by gladiators as entertainment]] by which point [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled Sporus hilled himself]].
4th Apr '17 9:48:43 PM Timjames98
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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer David Reimer]] case is a famous aversion. When doctors botched a circumcision and [[BodyHorror cut off the baby's penis]], some [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money quack psychologist]] thought he would use this opportunity to prove that gender is wholly based on nurture rather than nature, and had the parents raise this child as a girl, expecting that he would just accept his new gender. This did not work, as the child always felt confused and grew to intensely hate the psychologist who was using "her" as his personal guinea pig.

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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer David Reimer]] case is a famous aversion. When doctors botched a circumcision and [[BodyHorror cut off the baby's penis]], some [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money quack psychologist]] thought he would use this opportunity to prove that gender is wholly based on nurture rather than nature, and had the parents raise this child as a girl, expecting that he would just accept his new gender. This did not work, as the child always felt confused and grew to intensely hate the psychologist who was using "her" as his personal guinea pig. Eventually David Reimer underwent treatment to reverse this, making himself as close physically to a man as he could. Sadly his life started to fall apart a decade later and he was DrivenToSuicide.
* Another aversion is in the case of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporus Sporus]], a slave boy whom Emperor Nero [[CripplingCastration castrated]] and [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe took as a "wife"]] (because Sporus physically resembled Nero's dead wife). Sporus was then forced to marry Nero's next two sucessors, until Nero's third sucessor planned to [[HuliationConga have Sporus raped by gladiators as entertainment]] by which point [[BetterToDieThanBeKilled Sporus hilled himself]].
16th Mar '17 9:22:49 PM redandready45
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* ''Film/TheHotChick'': Though initially horrified, Clive uses Jessica's body to become a successful crook, and when Jessica tracks him down, [[spoiler: Jessica has to trick Clive into getting her body back]].
15th Mar '17 6:10:13 PM nombretomado
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* In MSFHigh Keiri sees that people enjoy it after she changes them so that they'll be less likely to change back when the nightly reset button hits.

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* In MSFHigh ''Webcomic/MSFHigh'', Keiri sees that people enjoy it after she changes them so that they'll be less likely to change back when the nightly reset button hits.
17th Dec '16 8:09:45 AM JustKnown
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* ''[[Manga/KanojoNiNaruHi Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another]]'' uses ItsTheJourneyThatMatters to offer an unusual and bittersweet take on this trope. Sagara is ultimately happy about her GenderBender even though she does miss being a boy because the resulting struggle to forge a new identity broke her out of her self-imposed isolation, opened her eyes to the people who cared about her and taught her the true value of love and friendship. It's not the change itself she accepts so much as the personal growth it triggered. The fact that [[JumpingTheGenderBarrier it made her sexually compatible with the love of her life]] is just icing on the cake.

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* ''[[Manga/KanojoNiNaruHi Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another]]'' uses ItsTheJourneyThatMatters ItsTheJourneyThatCounts to offer an unusual and bittersweet take on this trope. Sagara is ultimately happy about her GenderBender even though she does miss being a boy because the resulting struggle to forge a new identity broke her out of her self-imposed isolation, opened her eyes to the people who cared about her and taught her the true value of love and friendship. It's not the change itself she accepts so much as the personal growth it triggered. The fact that [[JumpingTheGenderBarrier it made her sexually compatible with the love of her life]] is just icing on the cake.
17th Dec '16 8:08:56 AM JustKnown
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* ''[[Manga/KanojoNiNaruHi Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another]]'' offers an unusual and bittersweet take on this trope. Sagara is ultimately happy about her GenderBender even though she does miss being a boy because the resulting struggle for a new identity broke her out of her self-imposed isolation, opened her eyes to the people who cared about her and taught her the true value of love and friendship. It's not the change itself she accepts so much as the personal growth it triggered. The fact that [[JumpingTheGenderBarrier it made her sexually compatible with the love of her life]] is just icing on the cake.

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* ''[[Manga/KanojoNiNaruHi Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another]]'' offers uses ItsTheJourneyThatMatters to offer an unusual and bittersweet take on this trope. Sagara is ultimately happy about her GenderBender even though she does miss being a boy because the resulting struggle for to forge a new identity broke her out of her self-imposed isolation, opened her eyes to the people who cared about her and taught her the true value of love and friendship. It's not the change itself she accepts so much as the personal growth it triggered. The fact that [[JumpingTheGenderBarrier it made her sexually compatible with the love of her life]] is just icing on the cake.
11th Dec '16 9:56:33 AM JustKnown
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* In contrast to ''Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another'' the {{ecchi}} manga ''Manga/NyotaiKa'' uses YouCantGoHomeAgain to offer a very "base view of human nature" take on this trope because Manaka finds sex is so much more pleasurable for women (soft sensitive skin! exquisitely delicate genitalia! multiple orgasms! boobies!} that he cannot accept the pale imitation of sexual pleasure that men experience.
11th Dec '16 9:32:00 AM JustKnown
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A specific variation of IChooseToStay which often results from TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody. May involve BecomingTheMask or GoingNative depending upon surrounding circumstances. Can result in BeneathTheMask when the GenderBender causes a character to reveal a hidden side of their personality. Contrast YouCantGoHomeAgain for characters who'd like to return to their former gender but realize they've changed too much to make that possible. See the ThirdLawOfGenderBending, which frequently (but not always) precedes or overlaps with this trope.

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A specific variation of IChooseToStay which often results from TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody. May involve BecomingTheMask or GoingNative depending upon surrounding circumstances. Can result in BeneathTheMask when the GenderBender causes allows a character to reveal a hidden side of their personality. Contrast YouCantGoHomeAgain for characters who'd like to return to their former gender but realize they've changed too much to make that possible. See the ThirdLawOfGenderBending, which frequently (but not always) precedes or overlaps with this trope.
11th Dec '16 9:30:46 AM JustKnown
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A specific variation of IChooseToStay which often results from TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody. May involve BecomingTheMask or GoingNative depending upon surrounding circumstances. Can result in BeneathTheMask when the character reveals a hidden, more feminine side of his/her personality. Contrast YouCantGoHomeAgain for characters who don't have any choice in the matter. See the FirstLawOfGenderBending and the ThirdLawOfGenderBending, which frequently (but not always) overlap with this trope. ManIFeelLikeAWoman may or may not be a contributing reason for these characters' choice, though it would take [[AllMenArePerverts a rather base view of human nature]] to write a story in which this was someone's primary reason for wanting to keep his/her gender change permanent--almost all authors would point to some reasons which are a little more dignified.

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A specific variation of IChooseToStay which often results from TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody. May involve BecomingTheMask or GoingNative depending upon surrounding circumstances. Can result in BeneathTheMask when the GenderBender causes a character reveals to reveal a hidden, more feminine hidden side of his/her their personality. Contrast YouCantGoHomeAgain for characters who don't have any choice in the matter. who'd like to return to their former gender but realize they've changed too much to make that possible. See the FirstLawOfGenderBending and the ThirdLawOfGenderBending, which frequently (but not always) overlap precedes or overlaps with this trope. trope.

Since the FirstLawOfGenderBending ensures that most of these characters are male-to-female
ManIFeelLikeAWoman may or may not be is frequently a contributing reason for these characters' choice, though choice. Though it would take [[AllMenArePerverts a rather base view of human nature]] to write a story in which assume this was as someone's primary reason for wanting to keep his/her gender change permanent--almost all permanent, many "adult" stories often do make use of the common pornographic cliche that sex is inherently more pleasurable for women even if their authors would rather point to some reasons which are a little more dignified.
dignified reasons.



* ''[[Manga/KanojoNiNaruHi Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another]]'' offers an unusual and bittersweet take on this trope. Sagara is ultimately happy about her GenderBender even though she missed being a boy because the resulting struggle broke her out of her self-imposed isolation, opened her eyes to the people who cared for her and taught her the true value of love and friendship.

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* ''[[Manga/KanojoNiNaruHi Kanojo Ni Naru Hi Another]]'' offers an unusual and bittersweet take on this trope. Sagara is ultimately happy about her GenderBender even though she missed does miss being a boy because the resulting struggle for a new identity broke her out of her self-imposed isolation, opened her eyes to the people who cared for about her and taught her the true value of love and friendship.friendship. It's not the change itself she accepts so much as the personal growth it triggered. The fact that [[JumpingTheGenderBarrier it made her sexually compatible with the love of her life]] is just icing on the cake.
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