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23rd Apr '18 1:36:21 AM WKennedy334
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* ''Anime/SailorMoon'''s fourth season, ''Sailor Moon [=SuperS=]'', is usually regarded as one of the weakest of the series even though it has some of the best animation. In addition to leaving out the highly popular [[FanNickname Outer Senshi]] introduced in the previous series, it consisted of mostly comedic filler episodes and deviated from the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]]'s corresponding and dramatic "Dream" arc. It also didn't help that a series titled ''Sailor Moon'' spent much more time on [=ChibiUsa=] than on its main heroine.

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* ''Anime/SailorMoon'''s fourth season, ''Anime/SailorMoon''' has the two final seasons that are regarded as weaker than the others; SuperS and Stars:
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''Sailor Moon [=SuperS=]'', is usually regarded as one of the weakest of the series even though it has some of the best animation. In addition to leaving out the highly popular [[FanNickname Outer Senshi]] introduced in the previous series, it consisted of mostly comedic filler episodes and deviated from the [[Manga/SailorMoon manga]]'s corresponding and dramatic "Dream" arc. It also didn't help that a series titled ''Sailor Moon'' spent much more time on [=ChibiUsa=] than on its main heroine.



** In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the Buu Saga is seen as this by some fans. Most of the issues pointed are the story being more over-the-top than ever with examples such as the Super Saiyan 3 form, Piccolo being DemotedToExtra, Buu being almost the same as the previous villain Cell but lacking any solid motivation, Vegeta making a SenselessSacrifice despite an attempt to develop him, Goku and Vegeta being the SpotlightStealingSquad ''again'' when the series appeared to be focusing on Gohan, the divisive characters of Goten and Trunks, and the anticlimatic and sudden ending. Although, [[AmericansHateTingle this seems more in the West]]. In Japan, Buu was a more popular villain than Cell (who was seen as a step down from Frieza) and Japan's audience wanted Goku back (he was ranked #1 on a fan poll) so they didn't mind him taking over the last leg of the arc along with Vegeta (who ranked #2 on the same poll).

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** In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the The Buu Saga is seen as this by some fans. Most of the issues pointed are the story being more over-the-top than ever with examples such as the Super Saiyan 3 form, Piccolo being DemotedToExtra, Buu in his Super form being almost the same as the previous villain Cell but lacking any solid motivation, Vegeta making a SenselessSacrifice despite an attempt to develop him, Goku and Vegeta being the SpotlightStealingSquad ''again'' when the series [[DecoyProtagonist appeared to be focusing on Gohan, Gohan]], the divisive characters of Goten and Trunks, and the anticlimatic and sudden ending. Although, [[AmericansHateTingle this seems more in the West]]. In Japan, Buu was a more popular villain than Cell (who was seen as a step down from Frieza) and Japan's audience wanted Goku back (he was ranked #1 on a fan poll) so they didn't mind him taking over the last leg of the arc along with Vegeta (who ranked #2 on the same poll).
22nd Apr '18 1:28:16 PM ChocolateElemental
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There are some ways to avoid, and especially cure seasonal rot. The first way is to temporarily cancel/postpone the series, take a break, and then come up with more ideas at a slow pace, or, just come up with some inspirations. Another way, at least when the series is already in jeopardy, is to replace the episodes in a season by creating better ones to take their place along the way, and then resume the series. Moreover, just because the series is suffering seasonal rot, doesn't necessarily mean that they are now of bad quality, since past seasons/episodes is what keeps the shows from getting into bad quality, no matter how poorer the quality is season/episode wise.



There are some ways to avoid, and especially fix this. The first way is to temporarily cancel/postpone the series, take a break, and then come up with more ideas at a slow pace, or, just come up with some inspirations. Another way, at least when the series is already in jeopardy, is to replace the episodes in a season by creating better ones to take their place along the way, and then resume the series. Moreover, just because the series is suffering seasonal rot, doesn't necessarily mean that they are now of bad quality, since past seasons seasons/episodes is what keeps the shows from getting into bad quality, no matter how poorer the quality is season/episode wise.
22nd Apr '18 12:42:47 PM ChocolateElemental
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There are some ways to avoid, and especially fix this. The first way is to temporarily cancel/postpone the series, take a break, and then come up with more ideas at a slow pace, or, just come up with some inspirations. Another way, at least when the series is already in jeopardy, is to replace the episodes in a season by creating better ones to take their place along the way, and then resume the series. Moreover, just because the series is suffering seasonal rot, doesn't necessarily mean that they are now of bad quality, since past seasons seasons/episodes is what keeps the shows from getting into bad quality, no matter how poorer the quality is season/episode wise.
29th Mar '18 10:08:19 AM Isaac_Heller
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** In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the Buu Saga is often seen by quite a few fans as the point where the show rapidly declined in quality. Most of the issues pointed are the story being more over-the-top than ever with examples such as the Super Saiyan 3 form, Piccolo being DemotedToExtra, Majin Buu despite a promising start turned into Super Buu, another SmugSuper who almost the same as the previous villain Cell to the point of lacking a motivation, Vegeta making a SenselessSacrifice despite an attempt to develop him, Goku being the SpotlightStealingSquad when the series appeared to be focusing on Gohan, Goten and Trunks, and the anticlimatic and sudden ending. But the beautiful irony of the whole debate is the fact that the Buu Saga produced some of the highest rated episodes in the history of the Dragon Ball franchise in both [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-09-28/dragonball-z-tops-ratings America]] '''and''' [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Identities_Revealed Japan]], so it's debatable as to whether there were that many fans who thought there was a decline in the quality of the series in the Buu Saga as it was able to pull in such high TV ratings. To top it all of, Majin Buu, who is seen as [[AmericansHateTingle the worst villain in the show to fans in America]], is actually the [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Kanzenban_Official_Guide:_Dragon_Ball_Forever highest rated villain in the top 20 poll of the most popular characters in the series in Japan,]] above '''both''' Frieza and Cell, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff both of whom are considered the better villains in the franchise to fans in America]].

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** In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the Buu Saga is often seen as this by quite a few fans as the point where the show rapidly declined in quality. some fans. Most of the issues pointed are the story being more over-the-top than ever with examples such as the Super Saiyan 3 form, Piccolo being DemotedToExtra, Majin Buu despite a promising start turned into Super Buu, another SmugSuper who being almost the same as the previous villain Cell to the point of but lacking a any solid motivation, Vegeta making a SenselessSacrifice despite an attempt to develop him, Goku and Vegeta being the SpotlightStealingSquad ''again'' when the series appeared to be focusing on Gohan, the divisive characters of Goten and Trunks, and the anticlimatic and sudden ending. But the beautiful irony of the whole debate is the fact that the Buu Saga produced some of the highest rated episodes in the history of the Dragon Ball franchise in both [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-09-28/dragonball-z-tops-ratings America]] '''and''' [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Identities_Revealed Japan]], so it's debatable as to whether there were that many fans who thought there was a decline in the quality of the series in the Buu Saga as it was able to pull in such high TV ratings. To top it all of, Majin Buu, who is seen as Although, [[AmericansHateTingle this seems more in the worst West]]. In Japan, Buu was a more popular villain in than Cell (who was seen as a step down from Frieza) and Japan's audience wanted Goku back (he was ranked #1 on a fan poll) so they didn't mind him taking over the show to fans in America]], is actually the [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Kanzenban_Official_Guide:_Dragon_Ball_Forever highest rated villain in the top 20 poll last leg of the most popular characters in arc along with Vegeta (who ranked #2 on the series in Japan,]] above '''both''' Frieza and Cell, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff both of whom are considered the better villains in the franchise to fans in America]].same poll).



** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' first arcs were this, to many fans annoyance. The first two arcs are a remake of the movies of ''Battle of Gods'' and ''Resurrection of F'', but unlike those two movies, the animation quality was infamous for how OffModel and amateurish it was to the point many fans lost hope in the series. Out of the two arcs, ''Resurrection of F'' is considered the worst for having the worst climatic fight in the franchise as a whole, and for many people, ruining Frieza as a villain. While the animation still had problems, by the time of the third arc involving the Tournament with Universe 6, the show managed to recover part of its fanbase, and by the time of the ''Future Trunks saga'', it is agreed the show grew the beard entirely.

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** The first two arcs of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' first arcs were this, to many fans annoyance. The first two arcs fans' annoyance, since they are a remake remakes of the movies of ''Battle of Gods'' and ''Resurrection of F'', but unlike those two movies, the animation quality was infamous for how OffModel and amateurish it was to the point many fans lost hope in the series. Out of the two arcs, ''Resurrection of F'' is considered the worst for having the worst climatic fight in the franchise as a whole, and a far cry from its movie counterpart that was praised specifically for many people, ruining Frieza as a villain. the animation in the fight scenes. While the animation still had problems, by the time of the third arc involving the Tournament with Universe 6, the show managed to recover part of its fanbase, and by the time of the ''Future Future Trunks saga'', saga, it is agreed the show grew the beard entirely.
28th Mar '18 7:44:12 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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** ''Comicbook/OneMoreDay''/''ComicBook/BrandNewDay'' has the wider rot problem of the sales of the franchise going straight into the toilet, even with Marvel cancelling all satellite Spider-Man books and upping Amazing Spider-Man to three times a month publication. Marvel hyped ''Amazing Spider-Man #647'' as "the end of Brand New Day," but in truth simply changed the release schedule to twice a month in a desperate effort to save the comic, as the unpopular new direction was causing it to hemorrhage readers at that point. Declining sales and conflicting opinions of the fans about the quality of the writing may have played a part in the decision to axe ''Amazing Spider-Man'' and relaunch the book as ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''... complete with the divisive gimmickery of Doc Ock possessing Peter Parker's body to give the book a meaty hook. Needless to say, fans were ''steamed'', sending death threats Dan Slott's way before the book even hit stands. Sales stabilized for a time, but some research indicates cracks are beginning to show again.

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** ''Comicbook/OneMoreDay''/''ComicBook/BrandNewDay'' has the wider rot problem of the sales of the franchise going straight into the toilet, even with Marvel cancelling all satellite Spider-Man books and upping Amazing Spider-Man to three times a month publication. Marvel hyped ''Amazing Spider-Man #647'' as "the end of Brand New Day," but in truth simply changed the release schedule to twice a month in a desperate effort to save the comic, as the unpopular new direction was causing it to hemorrhage readers at that point. At that point, Dan Slott's "Big Time" arc began and his run was well-received, however...
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Declining sales and conflicting opinions of the fans about the quality of the writing may have played a part in the decision to axe ''Amazing Spider-Man'' and relaunch the book as ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''... complete with the divisive gimmickery of Doc Ock possessing Peter Parker's body to give the book a meaty hook. Needless to say, fans were ''steamed'', sending death threats Dan Slott's way before the book even hit stands. Sales stabilized for a time, but some research indicates cracks are beginning to show again.
28th Mar '18 7:38:50 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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** Many fans agree that the ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' storyline "Superheavy", is this for Scott Snyder's entire run on ComicBook/TheNew52. The storyline saw James Gordon play a PoweredArmor-riding Batman when the real Batman vanished after the events of ''ComicBook/BatmanEndgame''. A lot of it had to do with the fact that Gordon was a real JerkAss most of the time and many readers were just waiting for Bruce to finally decide to hop back in the saddle. At the same time, the story focused way too much on the idea that Jim had to be Batman ''his'' way, which is a story idea incredibly overdone not only within the superhero genre as a whole, but also within the Batman franchise. In fact, "Superheavy" did little aside from deal with Jim's insecurities and Bruce returning to the role, with an utterly forgettable villain in the centre. And even the Bruce stuff was generic, with it just... happening the way you'd think it would after the first issue. The series' concluded, and by the time Tom King came on as a new writer and Snyder was put onto ''All-Star Batman'', a sigh of relief was had by all...
** Until ''Dark Nights: Metal'' happened! It's an incredibly divisive event for how it runs off RuleOfCool and attempts to pull some very... odd retcons, like having all the immortals in the DCU be connected, a strange retcon to Hawkmana nd Hawkgirl's origins that makes them weird immortals who still die, as well as a VillainSue interpretation Barbatos. While Snyder's early Batman work was loved, these days, he's divisive at best.

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** Many fans agree that the ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' storyline "Superheavy", is this for Scott Snyder's entire run on ComicBook/TheNew52. The storyline saw James Gordon play a PoweredArmor-riding Batman when the real Batman vanished after the events of ''ComicBook/BatmanEndgame''. A lot of it had to do with the fact that Gordon was a real JerkAss most of the time and many readers were just waiting for Bruce to finally decide to hop back in the saddle. At the same time, the story focused way too much on the idea that Jim had to be Batman ''his'' way, which is a story idea incredibly overdone not only within the superhero genre as a whole, but also within the Batman franchise. In fact, "Superheavy" did little aside from deal with Jim's insecurities and Bruce returning to the role, with an utterly forgettable villain in the centre. And even the Bruce stuff was generic, with it just... happening the way you'd think it would after the first issue. The series' series concluded, and by the time Tom King came on as a new writer and Snyder was put onto ''All-Star Batman'', a sigh of relief was had by all...
** Until ''Dark Nights: Metal'' happened! It's an incredibly divisive event for how it runs off RuleOfCool and attempts to pull some very... odd retcons, like having all the immortals in the DCU be connected, a strange retcon to Hawkmana nd Hawkman and Hawkgirl's origins that makes them weird immortals who still die, as well as a VillainSue interpretation of Barbatos. While Snyder's early Batman work was loved, these days, he's divisive at best.
20th Mar '18 8:20:30 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/ScaryMovie'' series started to get this in 2003, due to the absence of the Wayans Bros., and the fact that the traditional/significant R-rating was omitted. The [[Film/ScaryMovie5 fifth installment]] in 2013 actually gets it worse than ''[[Film/ScaryMovie3 3]]'' and ''[[Film/ScaryMovie4 4]]''. Mostly due to the absence of Creator/AnnaFaris, and Music/AshleyTisdale taking her place for this one (mostly by people who have only seen Ashley in ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'' or ''Series/TheSuite LifeOfZackAndCody''). The comedy was also attacked, and the fact that it was also a PG-13 rating did not help this installment either. All of this before it was released. After all that it got an 11 on Metacritic.

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* ''Film/ScaryMovie'' series started to get this in 2003, due to the absence of the Wayans Bros., and the fact that the traditional/significant R-rating was omitted. The [[Film/ScaryMovie5 fifth installment]] in 2013 actually gets it worse than ''[[Film/ScaryMovie3 3]]'' and ''[[Film/ScaryMovie4 4]]''. Mostly due to the absence of Creator/AnnaFaris, and Music/AshleyTisdale taking her place for this one (mostly by people who have only seen Ashley in ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'' or ''Series/TheSuite LifeOfZackAndCody'').''Series/TheSuiteLifeOfZackAndCody''). The comedy was also attacked, and the fact that it was also a PG-13 rating did not help this installment either. All of this before it was released. After all that it got an 11 on Metacritic.
20th Mar '18 8:20:07 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/ScaryMovie'' series started to get this in 2003, due to the absence of the Wayans Bros., and the fact that the traditional/significant R-rating was omitted. The [[Film/ScaryMovie5 fifth installment]] in 2013 actually gets it worse than ''[[Film/ScaryMovie3 3]]'' and ''[[Film/ScaryMovie4 4]]''. Mostly due to the absence of Creator/AnnaFaris, and Music/AshleyTisdale taking her place for this one (mostly by people who have only seen Ashley in ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'' or ''The Suite Life of Zack and Cody''). The comedy was also attacked, and the fact that it was also a PG-13 rating did not help this installment either. All of this before it was released. After all that it got an 11 on Metacritic.

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* ''Film/ScaryMovie'' series started to get this in 2003, due to the absence of the Wayans Bros., and the fact that the traditional/significant R-rating was omitted. The [[Film/ScaryMovie5 fifth installment]] in 2013 actually gets it worse than ''[[Film/ScaryMovie3 3]]'' and ''[[Film/ScaryMovie4 4]]''. Mostly due to the absence of Creator/AnnaFaris, and Music/AshleyTisdale taking her place for this one (mostly by people who have only seen Ashley in ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'' or ''The Suite Life of Zack and Cody'').''Series/TheSuite LifeOfZackAndCody''). The comedy was also attacked, and the fact that it was also a PG-13 rating did not help this installment either. All of this before it was released. After all that it got an 11 on Metacritic.
1st Mar '18 4:39:52 PM Kelothan
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** The ''Black and White'' series started with decent enough pacing, but things began slipping once the 2011 Tohoku-Fukushima disaster hit, and a two-parter with Team Plasma was pulled [[TooSoon to avoid encountering criticism]]. Despite this, it was still well-received... then ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' created an [[ExecutiveMeddling executive-mandated revamp of the arc]], and it officially all fell apart. There were good spots (such as the Meloetta arc and the Battle Club arcs), but the big League Tournament itself was almost universally reviled for making Ash lose ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption again]]) to [[TheScrappy Cameron]]. ''Episode N'' made the [[KnightTemplar morally-complex]] N and Team Plasma much more {{black and white|Morality}} and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot wasted potential storylines]], and the final arc was [[FillerArc purely filler]] with no goal for the heroes to achieve, with a ton of plots unashamedly [[RecycledScript recycled]] from the series' extensive history and filled with advertising for the then-upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. [[ArcFatigue People were quite relieved when the series ended]].

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** The ''Black and White'' series started with decent enough pacing, but things began slipping once the 2011 Tohoku-Fukushima disaster hit, and a two-parter with Team Plasma was pulled [[TooSoon to avoid encountering criticism]]. Despite this, it was still well-received... then ''VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2'' created an [[ExecutiveMeddling executive-mandated revamp of the arc]], and it officially all fell apart. There were good spots (such as the Meloetta arc and the Battle Club arcs), but the big League Tournament itself was almost universally reviled for making Ash lose ([[FailureIsTheOnlyOption again]]) to [[TheScrappy [[AmericansHateTingle Cameron]]. ''Episode N'' made the [[KnightTemplar morally-complex]] N and Team Plasma much more {{black and white|Morality}} and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot wasted potential storylines]], and the final arc was [[FillerArc purely filler]] with no goal for the heroes to achieve, with a ton of plots unashamedly [[RecycledScript recycled]] from the series' extensive history and filled with advertising for the then-upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. [[ArcFatigue People were quite relieved when the series ended]].



** ''Revolution'' and ''Evolution-R'' serve as little more than nostalgia fuel, adding nothing different or interesting to the franchise. ''Revolution'' deserves special mention, for stretching Lina's vices to borderline unlikeable levels.

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** ''Revolution'' and ''Evolution-R'' serve as little more than nostalgia fuel, adding nothing different or interesting to the franchise. franchise, ''Revolution'' deserves special mention, for stretching Lina's vices to borderline unlikeable levels.
1st Mar '18 8:18:32 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* Many fans agree that the ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' storyline "Superheavy", is this for Scott Snyder's entire run on ComicBook/TheNew52. The storyline saw James Gordon play a PoweredArmor-riding Batman when the real Batman vanished after the events of ''ComicBook/BatmanEndgame''. A lot of it had to do with the fact that Gordon was a real JerkAss most of the time and many readers were just waiting for Bruce to finally decide to hop back in the saddle. At the same time, the story focused way too much on the idea that Jim had to be Batman ''his'' way, which is a story idea incredibly overdone not only within the superhero genre as a whole, but also within the Batman franchise. In fact, "Superheavy" did little aside from deal with Jim's insecurities and Bruce returning to the role, with an utterly forgettable villain in the centre. And even the Bruce stuff was generic, with it just... happening the way you'd think it would after the first issue.

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* To many, Scott Snyder's ''Batman'' work is affected by this. It started off strong with the "Black Mirror" arc in ''Detective Comics'', which was a largely low stakes story with Dick Grayson as Batman, and a more classic take on the franchise while Grant Morrison was doing his typical experimental and trippy stuff. He also had the ''Gates of Gotham'' miniseries, which is liked for using underutilised characters while also doing some good world-building for Gotham. Then came the "Court of Owls" arc, which is generally liked for a neat conspiracy angle and some more world-building, although it's considered overly long and wordy by some. And now is where the rot may or may not set in, depending on who you ask:
** "Death of the Family", an incredibly divisive arc which featured the return of the Joker and loads and loads of death, violence and gore, with the Joker himself hitting VillainSue levels, and things get wordier.
** Then came "Zero Year", a story meant to give readers Batman's new origin that has been unfavourably compared to the acclaimed "Year One" by Frank Miller, while also suffering from a huge case of ArcFatigue (it ran for an ''actual'' year, not including the zero issue) that led many to stop reading the series. People came back for Snyder's "Endgame" arc, which is also divisive for the VillainSue Joker problem as well as this weird attempt at retconning the Joker to be some immortal spirit... thing. Also, wordy.
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Many fans agree that the ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'' storyline "Superheavy", is this for Scott Snyder's entire run on ComicBook/TheNew52. The storyline saw James Gordon play a PoweredArmor-riding Batman when the real Batman vanished after the events of ''ComicBook/BatmanEndgame''. A lot of it had to do with the fact that Gordon was a real JerkAss most of the time and many readers were just waiting for Bruce to finally decide to hop back in the saddle. At the same time, the story focused way too much on the idea that Jim had to be Batman ''his'' way, which is a story idea incredibly overdone not only within the superhero genre as a whole, but also within the Batman franchise. In fact, "Superheavy" did little aside from deal with Jim's insecurities and Bruce returning to the role, with an utterly forgettable villain in the centre. And even the Bruce stuff was generic, with it just... happening the way you'd think it would after the first issue. The series' concluded, and by the time Tom King came on as a new writer and Snyder was put onto ''All-Star Batman'', a sigh of relief was had by all...
** Until ''Dark Nights: Metal'' happened! It's an incredibly divisive event for how it runs off RuleOfCool and attempts to pull some very... odd retcons, like having all the immortals in the DCU be connected, a strange retcon to Hawkmana nd Hawkgirl's origins that makes them weird immortals who still die, as well as a VillainSue interpretation Barbatos. While Snyder's early Batman work was loved, these days, he's divisive at best.



* To many, Scott Snyder's ''Batman'' work is affected by this. It started off strong with the "Black Mirror" arc in ''Detective Comics'', which was a largely low stakes story with Dick Grayson as Batman, and a more classic take on the franchise while Grant Morrison was doing his typical experimental and trippy stuff. He also had the ''Gates of Gotham'' miniseries, which is liked for using underutilised characters while also doing some good world-building for Gotham. Then came the "Court of Owls" arc, which is generally liked for a neat conspiracy angle and some more world-building, although it's considered overly long and wordy by some. Then came "Death of the Family", an incredibly divisive arc which featured the return of the Joker and loads and loads of death, violence and gore, with the Joker himself hitting VillainSue levels, and things get wordier. Then came "Zero Year", a story meant to give readers Batman's new origin that has been unfavourably compared to the acclaimed "Year One" by Frank Miller, while also suffering from a huge case of ArcFatigue (it ran for an ''actual'' year, not including the zero issue) that led many to stop reading the series. People came back for Snyder's "Endgame" arc, which is also divisive for the VillainSue Joker problem as well as this weird attempt at retconning the Joker to be some immortal spirit... thing. Also, wordy. The "Superheavy" arc is seldom liked by those who aren't just Snyder fans in general, with a Jerkass Jim Gordon as Batman taking part in forgettable stories, and its best scenes are considered to be those that tease the audience that Bruce will come back. The series' concluded, and by the time Tom King came on as a new writer and Snyder was put onto ''All-Star Batman'', a sigh of relief was had by all... until ''Dark Nights: Metal'' happened! It's an incredibly divisive event for how it runs off RuleOfCool and attempts to pull some very... odd retcons, like having all the immortals in the DCU be connected, a strange retcon to Hawkmana nd Hawkgirl's origins that makes them weird immortals who still die, as well as a VillainSue interpretation Barbatos. While Snyder's early Batman work was loved, these days, he's divisive at best.
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