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5th Dec '17 7:53:46 PM igordebraga
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* ''Franchise/DieHard'':
** ''Film/LiveFreeOrDieHard'' got it bad upon release in 2007, not from critics (who praised the movie, and claimed it to be closer to the original), but the "Die Hard" fanbase, for flanderizing John [=McClane=]'s character from an everyday, humanised cop to a complete "superhero", and toning the franchise's content, from originally a hard R to a PG-13 in the lines of the Michael Bay ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies.
** It got even worse with 2013's ''Film/AGoodDayToDieHard''. Despite the film's return to a hard R, it was criticized for "how terrible [it] looked" compared to the previous films. [=McClane=] was reduced to a sidekick, and the "super cop" tendencies he exhibited in ''Live Free'' were Flanderized even further.

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* ''Franchise/DieHard'':
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Some ''Franchise/DieHard'' fans claimed ''Film/LiveFreeOrDieHard'' got was this, given it bad upon release in 2007, not from critics (who praised was released as a PG-13 (reducing the movie, blood and claimed it to be closer to the original), but the "Die Hard" fanbase, for flanderizing cussing), elevated John [=McClane=]'s character from an everyday, humanised cop MadeOfIron to a complete "superhero", superhuman levels, and toning how over-the-top the franchise's content, from originally a hard R to a PG-13 in the lines of the Michael Bay ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies.
** It got even worse with
action went. But everyone agreed 2013's ''Film/AGoodDayToDieHard''.''Film/AGoodDayToDieHard'' was a low point. Despite the film's return to a hard R, it was criticized for "how terrible [it] looked" compared to the previous films. The plot barely felt like ''Die Hard'', [=McClane=] was reduced to a sidekick, and the "super cop" tendencies he exhibited in ''Live Free'' were Flanderized even further.



* Literature/{{Discworld}}: The last few books are regarded as being a bit weaker, particularly around Discworld/UnseenAcademicals. Given Terry Pratchett was suffering with Alzheimer's at the time, this is understandable.

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* Literature/{{Discworld}}: ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'': The last few books are regarded as being a bit weaker, particularly around Discworld/UnseenAcademicals. Given Terry Pratchett was suffering with Alzheimer's at the time, this is understandable.



* WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers: The series is agreed to have gone into this after TheMovie. The only well liked part of this period is the Interactive Adventure. Common criticisms include [[MoodWiplash tone deaf stories]], characters holding the IdiotBall, wasting time on {{Filler}}, and the jokes not being as funny.

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* WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers: The series is agreed to have gone into this after TheMovie. The only well liked part of this period is the Interactive Adventure. Common criticisms include [[MoodWiplash [[MoodWhiplash tone deaf stories]], characters holding the IdiotBall, wasting time on {{Filler}}, and the jokes not being as funny.
3rd Dec '17 8:45:05 PM Kelothan
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** ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'': Apart from the fans' disappointment with the DistantFinale, the series seemed to change plots as often as someone changes clothes. This is especially poignant in the small (yet important) Holy Stones arc. These world-shattering sacred rocks were never mentioned until Mummymon casually talked about it in a 10-second conversation. There was little foreshadowing, and once they were all eliminated they never came up again. Additionally, most revelations about TheManBehindTheMan seemed to come out of nowhere, and Creator/ChiakiKonaka's [[CosmicHorrorStory Cthulhutastic]] guest-writing episode - originally intended to set up another subplot - went completely unexplained, was almost never referred to again, and comes off as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment. It generally reeks of a series where they had plenty of ideas, but perhaps had ''too'' many and were very careless and haphazard about how they applied them.

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** ''Anime/DigimonAdventure02'': Apart from the fans' disappointment with the DistantFinale, the series seemed to change plots as often as someone changes clothes. This is especially poignant in the small (yet important) Holy Stones arc. These world-shattering sacred rocks were never mentioned until Mummymon casually talked about it in a 10-second conversation. There was little foreshadowing, and once they were all eliminated they never came up again. This also apparent with the Holy Ring, which is brought up ''once'' in between Tailmon/Gatomon losing it in the first episode and Gennai giving back to her in the last episode. Additionally, most revelations about TheManBehindTheMan seemed to come out of nowhere, and Creator/ChiakiKonaka's [[CosmicHorrorStory Cthulhutastic]] Cthulhu-esque]] guest-writing episode - originally intended to set up another subplot - went completely unexplained, was almost never referred to again, and comes off as a BigLippedAlligatorMoment. It generally reeks of a series where they had plenty of ideas, but perhaps had ''too'' many and were very careless and haphazard about how they applied them.
3rd Dec '17 8:45:05 PM Kelothan
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2nd Dec '17 9:51:54 PM Kelothan
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* WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers: The series is agreed to have gone into this after TheMovie. The only well liked part of this period to be well like is the Interactive Adventure. Common criticisms include [[MoodWiplash tone deaf stories]], characters holding the IdiotBall, wasting time on {{Filler}}, and the jokes not being as funny.

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* WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers: The series is agreed to have gone into this after TheMovie. The only well liked part of this period to be well like is the Interactive Adventure. Common criticisms include [[MoodWiplash tone deaf stories]], characters holding the IdiotBall, wasting time on {{Filler}}, and the jokes not being as funny.
2nd Dec '17 3:49:32 PM Kelothan
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* WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers:
** Season 4 is considered a very bad Season in most fans' eyes. The characters become unlikeable and inept and {{Filler}} takes up most of the episodes. The plot in the first few episodes consists mostly of Mario and Luigi trying to pay for Snake's Foxdie medication, which makes no sense since not only is Foxdie inconsistent with how it's portrayed in Franchise/MetalGear and said plot is set up in a completely contrived scene. It all moves slowly for a few episodes before apparently ''[[AbortedArc forgetting]] about it'' and goes off on a different plot involving {{Ninja}}s and a group known as The Trifecta, led by [[BigBad Blaire Vherestorm]]. It's interesting, but just as it's about to be resolved, [[spoiler:The Darkness]] kills him and takes over, [[ShockingSwerve completely out of nowhere]]. Not helping matters is that most of the jokes aren't funny, [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Brock and Gary]] are [[TheArtifact pointless]], Waluigi is written out in a weak manner, [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ken]] is one of the bad guys and everyone mispronounces Ryu's name for no good reason.
** Whether or not Season 5 is any better is debated, but it's certainly not as good as the first three seasons and TheMovie. The main plot is interesting, involving a war between [[EvilVersusEvil two villainous factions]] and the main cast, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot but no one takes it seriously]], instead using it as a PiratesVersusNinjas storyline. Gary and Brock are involved in the plot, but clearly still have nothing to do. Characters come back to life for no reason. The BigBad [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Ganon]] is underutilized, not helped by the fact that Link only appears in the GrandFinale to die and basically serve as ''Mario's power up''. In addition there's more {{Filler}}, {{Retcon}}s, {{Plot Hole}}s, and [[SeriesContinuityError inconsistencies]] than you can shake a stick at.

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* WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers:
** Season 4 is considered a very bad Season in most fans' eyes.
WebVideo/StupidMarioBrothers: The characters become unlikeable and inept and {{Filler}} takes up most of the episodes. The plot in the first few episodes consists mostly of Mario and Luigi trying series is agreed to pay for Snake's Foxdie medication, which makes no sense since not only is Foxdie inconsistent with how it's portrayed in Franchise/MetalGear and said plot is set up in a completely contrived scene. It all moves slowly for a few episodes before apparently ''[[AbortedArc forgetting]] about it'' and goes off on a different plot involving {{Ninja}}s and a group known as The Trifecta, led by [[BigBad Blaire Vherestorm]]. It's interesting, but just as it's about to be resolved, [[spoiler:The Darkness]] kills him and takes over, [[ShockingSwerve completely out of nowhere]]. Not helping matters is that most of the jokes aren't funny, [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Brock and Gary]] are [[TheArtifact pointless]], Waluigi is written out in a weak manner, [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ken]] is one of the bad guys and everyone mispronounces Ryu's name for no good reason.
** Whether or not Season 5 is any better is debated, but it's certainly not as good as the first three seasons and
have gone into this after TheMovie. The main plot is interesting, involving a war between [[EvilVersusEvil two villainous factions]] and the main cast, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot but no one takes it seriously]], instead using it as a PiratesVersusNinjas storyline. Gary and Brock are involved in the plot, but clearly still have nothing to do. Characters come back to life for no reason. The BigBad [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Ganon]] is underutilized, not helped by the fact that Link only appears in well liked part of this period to be well like is the GrandFinale to die and basically serve as ''Mario's power up''. In addition there's more Interactive Adventure. Common criticisms include [[MoodWiplash tone deaf stories]], characters holding the IdiotBall, wasting time on {{Filler}}, {{Retcon}}s, {{Plot Hole}}s, and [[SeriesContinuityError inconsistencies]] than you can shake a stick at.the jokes not being as funny.
26th Nov '17 6:11:51 PM HighCrate
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* The ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fandom is divided over whether such a rot has occurred to the mainline games, and even those who believe so contend over which generation started the rot. While most of them seem to believe that the 3DS games (namely ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'') are to blame, others say the DS games were the beginning of the downfall. A few even claim that the quality took a hit as far back as the GBA games.



* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' in later years has come to this according to many fans. The "One Two" (aka the "Primitive Cultures develop Sesame Street") and "Anatomy Text" strips are considered the major points of contention, as the first is considered the point where Randall's (somewhat hypocritical) [[HardOnSoftScience contempt for non "hard science" majors]] became overbearing, and the Anatomy strip (featuring, without warning, quite explicit, if clinical, diagrams of genitalia) is just considered [[{{Squick}} offensive in general]].
26th Nov '17 9:16:56 AM canidApath
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* The ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' fandom is divided over whether such a rot has occurred to the mainline games, and even those who believe so contend over which generation started the rot. While most of them seem to believe that the 3DS games (namely ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'') are to blame, others say the DS games were the beginning of the downfall. A few even claim that the quality took a hit as far back as the GBA games.
20th Nov '17 1:32:28 PM KagSwirby
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** The Unova series ended up rotting as well. It started with decent pacing and subdivisions for story arcs, which actually continued on to the TournamentArc. Unfortunately, things began slipping once the 2011 Tohoku-Fukushima disaster hit, and a two-parter was pulled [[TooSoon to avoid encountering criticism]], though it was still well-received for the remainder of the next year. Then ''Black 2 & White 2'' created an [[ExecutiveMeddling executive-mandated revamp of the arc, and it officially all fell apart.]] There were good spots, like when WhatCouldHaveBeen Johto's Celebi Arc (but with Meloetta instead) was made, the decision to not have Team Rocket shoehorned into every episode and the Battle Club Tournament arcs where a number of reoccurring characters battled and interacted with each other, but the big League Tournament itself was almost universally reviled for making the the poor decision of having TheScrappy, an excruciatingly dopey boy named Cameron, knock out not just fan-favorite Bianca but Ash himself as well, making this his fifth tournament loss and thus ruining all momentum built up yet again. The Plasma arc afterward distilled a lot of the moral debates and ideals of the games and has ''massive'' amounts of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot, and the arc after that, featuring Ash and co. island-hopping in the Decalore Archipelago, [[FillerArc is nothing but filler]] (think Orange Islands but no league for Ash to compete in), with a ton of plots unashamedly [[RecycledScript recycled]] from the series' extensive history and filled with shameless advertising for the then-upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. [[ArcFatigue Needless to say, people were quite relieved when the Black and White saga ended]].

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** The Unova series series, Best Wishes, ended up rotting as well. It started with decent pacing and subdivisions for story arcs, which actually continued on to the TournamentArc. Unfortunately, things began slipping once the 2011 Tohoku-Fukushima disaster hit, and a two-parter was pulled [[TooSoon to avoid encountering criticism]], though it was still well-received for the remainder of the next year. Then ''Black 2 & White 2'' created an [[ExecutiveMeddling executive-mandated revamp of the arc, and it officially all fell apart.]] There were good spots, like when WhatCouldHaveBeen Johto's Celebi Arc (but with Meloetta instead) was made, the decision to not have Team Rocket shoehorned into every episode and the Battle Club Tournament arcs where a number of reoccurring characters battled and interacted with each other, but the big League Tournament itself was almost universally reviled for making the the poor decision of having TheScrappy, an excruciatingly dopey boy named Cameron, knock out not just fan-favorite Bianca but Ash himself as well, making this his fifth tournament loss and thus ruining all momentum built up yet again. The Plasma arc afterward distilled a lot of the moral debates and ideals of the games and has ''massive'' amounts of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot, and the arc after that, featuring Ash and co. island-hopping in the Decalore Archipelago, [[FillerArc is nothing but filler]] (think Orange Islands but no league for Ash to compete in), with a ton of plots unashamedly [[RecycledScript recycled]] from the series' extensive history and filled with shameless advertising for the then-upcoming ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. [[ArcFatigue Needless to say, people were quite relieved when the Black and White saga Best Wishes series ended]].
13th Nov '17 6:45:54 AM chopshop
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* Its generally agreed that ''Franchise/MassEffect'' went through rot at some point, but there's considerable debate amongst fans regarding where the rot started. To summarize: [[FirstInstallmentWins the first game is widely considered excellent]], the second is either better than the first or slightly inferior [[ContestedSequel depending on who you ask]], and the third is a case of LoveItOrHateIt. [[VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda The spin-off]] is an oddity, in that the fanbase seems to almost universally agree that it's a big step down [[ToughActToFollow from the original series]].


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* ''WebComic/DarthsAndDroids'' is generally seen as going through this around the time it reached the Original and Sequel movies. While the comic is still funny and clever, it lacks the biting satirical edge that made it stand out from other [[CampaignComic Campaign Comics]]. As many have noted, when the series was mocking the ''Franchise/StarWars'' franchise's own rot, it was a brilliant and unique satire; once it had to tackle the actually good parts of the franchise, it started running out of things to seriously criticize and devolved into [[SoOkayItsAverage just another comic, without anything special going for it]].
11th Nov '17 9:39:08 PM 64SuperNintendo
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* It's generally agreed upon by fans that ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' took a noticeable decline in quality after the conclusion of the Hokuto Brothers arc, which served as the major focus of the manga's story. While the Jakoh, Shura, and Bolge arcs weren't terrible, they're seen as mediocre compared to what came before it as a result of it being a PostScriptSeason, and the arcs between the Shura & Bolge arcs are heavily considered the nadir of the storyline in terms of quality. To elaborate, the arcs after [[spoiler:Raoh's]] defeat relied mainly on rehashing previous story elements, hastily [[{{Retcon}} retconning]] several elements of the manga, placing increasingly greater emphasis on the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil and [[KiAttacks Ki Attacks]] (though not to the extent that other shonen comics such as ''Manga/DragonBall'' took it), and in the arcs after the Shura one, relegating Kenshiro to the sidelines so that he could give an {{Anvilicious}} moral lesson to the villains and [[spoiler:pull a BigDamnHeroes moment]] at the conclusion of the Bolge arc. Because of this, most adaptations of the manga only go up to the end of the Hokuto Brothers arc, with only ''Fist of the North Star 2'' and several video games touching what came after (and even then, ''Fist of the North Star 2'' ended with the Shura arc rather than adapting anything past that).

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* It's generally agreed upon by fans that ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' took a noticeable decline in quality after the conclusion of the Hokuto Brothers arc, which served as the major focus of the manga's story. While the Jakoh, Shura, and Bolge arcs weren't terrible, they're seen as mediocre compared to what came before it as a result of it being a PostScriptSeason, and the arcs between the Shura & and Bolge arcs are heavily considered the nadir of the storyline in terms of quality. To elaborate, the arcs after [[spoiler:Raoh's]] defeat relied mainly on rehashing previous story elements, hastily [[{{Retcon}} retconning]] several elements of the manga, placing increasingly greater emphasis on the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil and [[KiAttacks Ki Attacks]] (though not to the extent that other shonen comics such as ''Manga/DragonBall'' took it), and in the arcs after the Shura one, relegating Kenshiro to the sidelines so that he could give an {{Anvilicious}} moral lesson to the villains and [[spoiler:pull a BigDamnHeroes moment]] at the conclusion of the Bolge arc. Because of this, most adaptations of the manga only go up to the end of the Hokuto Brothers arc, with only ''Fist of the North Star 2'' and several video games touching what came after (and even then, ''Fist of the North Star 2'' ended with the Shura arc rather than adapting anything past that).
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