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24th Aug '16 7:17:17 PM SunGuyThe3rd
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* ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has never been a stranger to controversy, as its premise is tailor-made to cause some uproar. However, Season 3 has not started off very well, with ''Dante vs. Bayonetta'' and ''Bowser vs. Ganondorf'' being harshly criticized for their analyses. After a brief return to form with ''Ratchet and Clank vs. Jak and Daxter'', the show has continued to produce controversial episodes: ''Flash vs. Quicksilver'' was so much of a CurbStompBattle that the end was a boring ForegoneConclusion, ''The Joker vs. Sweet Tooth'' was accused of making Sweet Tooth out of character, ''Mewtwo vs. Shadow'' was extremely short and not very flashy, and ''The Meta vs. Carolina'' was met with scorn ''before it was even released'' thanks to the relative obscurity of its combatants, its status as a tie-in to ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', and the poor reception of ''Yang vs. Tifa'' back in Season 2. In comparison, Season 2 had results that were considered to be consistently accurate, barring a few black spots, and had better 2d animations, which were made by a team that left ''en masse'' before Season 3 over payment disputes.

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* ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has never been a stranger to controversy, as its premise is tailor-made to cause some uproar. However, Season 3 has not started off very well, been as well-received as its predecessors, with ''Dante vs. Bayonetta'' and ''Bowser vs. Ganondorf'' being harshly criticized for their analyses. After a brief return to form with ''Ratchet and Clank vs. Jak and Daxter'', the show has continued to produce controversial episodes: ''Flash vs. Quicksilver'' was so much of a CurbStompBattle that the end was a boring ForegoneConclusion, ''The Joker vs. Sweet Tooth'' was accused of making Sweet Tooth out of character, ''Mewtwo vs. Shadow'' was extremely short and not very flashy, and ''The Meta vs. Carolina'' was met with scorn ''before it was even released'' thanks to the relative obscurity of its combatants, its status as a tie-in to ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', and the poor reception of ''Yang vs. Tifa'' back in Season 2. In comparison, Season 2 had results that were considered to be consistently accurate, barring a few black spots, and had better 2d animations, which were made by a team that left ''en masse'' before Season 3 over payment disputes.
24th Aug '16 7:15:47 PM SunGuyThe3rd
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* ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' has never been a stranger to controversy, as its premise is tailor-made to cause some uproar. However, Season 3 has not started off very well, with ''Dante vs. Bayonetta'' and ''Bowser vs. Ganondorf'' being harshly criticized for their analyses. After a brief return to form with ''Ratchet and Clank vs. Jak and Daxter'', the show has continued to produce controversial episodes: ''Flash vs. Quicksilver'' was so much of a CurbStompBattle that the end was a boring ForegoneConclusion, ''The Joker vs. Sweet Tooth'' was accused of making Sweet Tooth out of character, ''Mewtwo vs. Shadow'' was extremely short and not very flashy, and ''The Meta vs. Carolina'' was met with scorn ''before it was even released'' thanks to the relative obscurity of its combatants, its status as a tie-in to ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'', and the poor reception of ''Yang vs. Tifa'' back in Season 2. In comparison, Season 2 had results that were considered to be consistently accurate, barring a few black spots, and had better 2d animations, which were made by a team that left ''en masse'' before Season 3 over payment disputes.
20th Aug '16 12:06:42 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Depending who you talk to, some or all of the Filler of the original series. Promptly lampshaded in ''[[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged]]'':

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** Depending who you talk to, some or all of the Filler filler of the original series.series, especially the fourth season ("Waking the Dragons"), which is nothing ''but'' a filler arc. Promptly lampshaded in ''[[WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged]]'':
18th Aug '16 2:19:02 AM EternityofSpirits
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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and its storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump.

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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and its storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump. And the ending wasn't well-received, be it because the mangas cancellation forced it to rush, or because of other factors fans were unhappy about.
8th Aug '16 8:38:06 PM hamza678
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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and it's storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump.

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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and it's its storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump.
6th Aug '16 3:04:31 PM mrbits
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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and it's storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump, to the point that even the announcement of the Manga's ending failed to drum up much interest.

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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and it's storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump, to the point that even the announcement of the Manga's ending failed to drum up much interest. Jump.
30th Jul '16 12:31:19 PM nombretomado
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29th Jul '16 8:23:01 PM Anddrix
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** In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the Buu Saga is often seen by quite a few fans as the point where the show [[JumpingTheShark jumped the shark]] and rapidly declined in quality. Most of the issues pointed are the story being more over-the-top than ever with examples such as the Super Saiyan 3 form, Piccolo being DemotedToExtra, Buu being almost the same as the previous villain Cell to the point of lacking a motivation, Vegeta making a SenselessSacrifice despite an attempt to develop him, Goku being the SpotlightStealingSquad when the series appeared to be focusing on Gohan, Goten and Trunks, and the anticlimatic and sudden ending. But the beautiful irony of the whole debate is the fact that the Buu Saga produced some of the highest rated episodes in the history of the Dragon Ball franchise in both [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-09-28/dragonball-z-tops-ratings America]] '''and''' [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Identities_Revealed Japan]], so it's debatable as to whether there were that many fans who thought there was a decline in the quality of the series in the Buu Saga as it was able to pull in such high TV ratings. To top it all of, [[BaseBreaker Majin Buu]], who is seen as [[AmericansHateTingle the worst villain in the show to fans in America]], is actually the [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Kanzenban_Official_Guide:_Dragon_Ball_Forever highest rated villain in the top 20 poll of the most popular characters in the series in Japan,]] above '''both''' Frieza and Cell, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff both of whom are considered the better villains in the franchise to fans in America]].

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** In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', the Buu Saga is often seen by quite a few fans as the point where the show [[JumpingTheShark jumped the shark]] and rapidly declined in quality. Most of the issues pointed are the story being more over-the-top than ever with examples such as the Super Saiyan 3 form, Piccolo being DemotedToExtra, Buu being almost the same as the previous villain Cell to the point of lacking a motivation, Vegeta making a SenselessSacrifice despite an attempt to develop him, Goku being the SpotlightStealingSquad when the series appeared to be focusing on Gohan, Goten and Trunks, and the anticlimatic and sudden ending. But the beautiful irony of the whole debate is the fact that the Buu Saga produced some of the highest rated episodes in the history of the Dragon Ball franchise in both [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-09-28/dragonball-z-tops-ratings America]] '''and''' [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Identities_Revealed Japan]], so it's debatable as to whether there were that many fans who thought there was a decline in the quality of the series in the Buu Saga as it was able to pull in such high TV ratings. To top it all of, [[BaseBreaker Majin Buu]], Buu, who is seen as [[AmericansHateTingle the worst villain in the show to fans in America]], is actually the [[http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Kanzenban_Official_Guide:_Dragon_Ball_Forever highest rated villain in the top 20 poll of the most popular characters in the series in Japan,]] above '''both''' Frieza and Cell, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff both of whom are considered the better villains in the franchise to fans in America]].



* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'': While Act 5 was widely considered the place where the webcomic grew the beard, Act 6 featured completely new characters that ''weren't'' as overall fanbase-expandingly popular as the trolls were and generally [[BaseBreaker even more divisive]], very very long sub-acts (and [[UpToEleven sub-sub acts]]!) causing EndingFatigue, a very long RomanticPlotTumour causing unnecessary drama between the new kids, and more [[InvincibleVillain villains that are so powerful they make you consider]] [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy whether these kids even have a ghost of a chance]], as well as a bunch of [[DudeNotFunny jokes that were either too dark to be humourous or just plain considered to be in bad taste]]. It took years for the original kids to finally meet up with their new counterparts, and even when that happened it took many more months in real time for them to actually get on to fighting these new villains. Its ending animation and the following Act 7 were both well received visually[[note]]The former for being an action-packed, 18 minute long fighting sequence and the latter for its very high-quality visual details and smooth animation[[/note]], but also got some story-related criticism [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse for leaving a lot of plotlines to seemingly end abruptly]] (something the author intends to fix with an additional epilogue) and for the eventual victory for the heroes to have just been brought on by anti-climactically [[spoiler:making a new timeline where an intentional BaseBreaker character was brought back and lost all their character development along with some of the other characters, and everything went almost perfectly according to plan]].

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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'': While Act 5 was widely considered the place where the webcomic grew the beard, Act 6 featured completely new characters that ''weren't'' as overall fanbase-expandingly popular as the trolls were and generally [[BaseBreaker even more divisive]], divisive, very very long sub-acts (and [[UpToEleven sub-sub acts]]!) causing EndingFatigue, a very long RomanticPlotTumour causing unnecessary drama between the new kids, and more [[InvincibleVillain villains that are so powerful they make you consider]] [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy whether these kids even have a ghost of a chance]], as well as a bunch of [[DudeNotFunny jokes that were either too dark to be humourous or just plain considered to be in bad taste]]. It took years for the original kids to finally meet up with their new counterparts, and even when that happened it took many more months in real time for them to actually get on to fighting these new villains. Its ending animation and the following Act 7 were both well received visually[[note]]The former for being an action-packed, 18 minute long fighting sequence and the latter for its very high-quality visual details and smooth animation[[/note]], but also got some story-related criticism [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse for leaving a lot of plotlines to seemingly end abruptly]] (something the author intends to fix with an additional epilogue) and for the eventual victory for the heroes to have just been brought on by anti-climactically [[spoiler:making a new timeline where an intentional BaseBreaker character BaseBreakingCharacter was brought back and lost all their character development along with some of the other characters, and everything went almost perfectly according to plan]].
25th Jul '16 2:21:50 PM IncredibleFulk1
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* Prior to the prequel trilogy, most fans viewed ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' as the weakest ''Franchise/StarWars'' film. Although ''Jedi'' is still considered the worst of the original trilogy, it is well-liked, and is easily accepted with the other two as a great film. However, after the prequels were released, ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' is often cited as the worst ''Star Wars'' movie, even with the prequel trilogy's mixed reception. That said, many consider ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' to be the worst, mainly because of the half-baked Anakin/Padmé love story, Anakin's general emo-ness in that film in particular, and the perceived stiffness of Hayden Christensen's performance. Ironically, ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' is widely considered the best of the prequel trilogy (the reverse of the opinion of the third film in the original trilogy being the weakest) because, love it or hate it, [[FountainOfMemes it's impossible to forget.]]
* While ''Film/IndianaJonesAndTheKingdomOfTheCrystalSkull'' is the weakest ''Franchise/IndianaJones'' film critically (although the strongest commercially) there is a heavy debate among fans as to whether it is better or worse than the series' previous worst film ''[[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheTempleOfDoom Temple of Doom]]'' (which was the weakest commercially, for whatever that's worth). Fans of ''Doom'' claim that the fourth film was too campy and over-the-top, even by ''Franchise/IndianaJones'' standards, and that too much of the series was altered in this film ([[spoiler:having aliens instead of mysticism powering the object, Jones marrying Marion at the end, him having a son]] etc.). However, the equally vocal ''Skull'' fans claim that ''Doom'' was too [[DarkerAndEdgier dark and gritty]] compared to the other movies' lighter tone, had copious amounts of unjustified {{Squick}}, and [[ReplacementScrappy replaced the beloved characters Marion and Sallah with the more despised Willie and Short-Round.]]
18th Jul '16 1:07:33 AM EternityofSpirits
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** Likewise The Thousand Year Blood War suffered this. It was initially considered a WinBackTheCrowd storyline for the manga thanks to the tighter pacing and many plot turns, only to slowly fall due to even more insane degrees of ArcFatigue (with the FinalBattle alone going on for well over 100 chapters), a lack of clear focus in many areas and a cast of underdeveloped and generic antagonists (lead by an equally [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Generic Doomsday]] VillainSue) lead to many people growing tried with both the series and it's storytelling, a fact evidenced by the series at that point being consistently at the bottom of popularity polls in Shonen Jump, to the point that even the announcement of the Manga's ending failed to drum up much interest.
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