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9th Dec '17 6:55:07 AM SeptimusHeap
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* This is extremely common in series with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. ComicBook/{{X-men}} in particular, due to their revolving cast there were numerous characters change off panel. Usually they either join some other team, or seek higher education. For example the character Karma. When we're first introduced to her, she is older than the rest of the New Mutants, and considerably more mature, conservative, and acts as a parental surrogate to her brother and sister. She eventually leaves when her siblings are kidnapped. Then cut to several years later when she meets X-Force in a desert rave, with dyed pink hair, body piercings, and revealing clothing. She would also later come out as a lesbian.

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* This is extremely common in series with LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters. ComicBook/{{X-men}} ComicBook/XMen in particular, due to their revolving cast there were numerous characters change off panel. Usually they either join some other team, or seek higher education. For example the character Karma. When we're first introduced to her, she is older than the rest of the New Mutants, and considerably more mature, conservative, and acts as a parental surrogate to her brother and sister. She eventually leaves when her siblings are kidnapped. Then cut to several years later when she meets X-Force in a desert rave, with dyed pink hair, body piercings, and revealing clothing. She would also later come out as a lesbian.
30th Oct '17 7:42:33 PM LadyNorbert
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* Pictured above is Phoenix Wright from the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series, a promising lawyer and a really caring person in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney the first trilogy]]. And then came ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo Justice]]'', 7 years later, where Phoenix was now a homeless man who played poker at the basement of a bar and has a 15-year-old adopted daughter. Turns out that [[spoiler: due to a large petty grudge, he was set up and tricked into presenting forged evidence that cost him his career. Trucy, his adopted daughter, is the biological daughter of the man that Wright was representing and whom lost his life. Turns out the guy that offed him was the same who set up Phoenix, all out of a messed-up sense of pride. Although when you get to play as him, you learn that he's still the same guy on the inside]].

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* Pictured above is Phoenix Wright from the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series, a promising lawyer and a really caring person in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney the first trilogy]]. And then came ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo Justice]]'', 7 years later, where Phoenix was now a homeless man who played poker at the basement of a bar and has a 15-year-old adopted daughter. Turns out that [[spoiler: due to a large petty grudge, he was set up and tricked into presenting forged evidence that cost him his career. Trucy, his adopted daughter, is the biological daughter of the man that Wright was representing and whom representing, who lost his life. Turns out the guy that offed him was the same who set up Phoenix, all out of a messed-up sense of pride. Although when you get to play as him, you learn that he's still the same guy on the inside]].
23rd Oct '17 12:38:32 PM Isaac_Heller
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** The character of Charmcaster is a particularly egregious case of this trope in action. In the original show, she was a play on the DarkMagicalGirl trope, more willfully malevolent than most but not wholly devoid of better qualities either. Come ''Alien Force'', she has [[TookALevelInJerkass become purely villainous]] and increasingly [[AxCrazy murderous]]. In ''Ultimate Alien'', she suddenly becomes a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorld darkly tragic]] BrokenBird who starts going through a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor. Then in ''Omniverse'', an emotional breakdown has made her become a [[PsychopathicManchild childish]], LaughablyEvil CloudCuckoolander, although toward the end she circles back toward being more like she was in the original show.

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** The character of Charmcaster is a particularly egregious case of this trope in action. In the original show, she was a play on the DarkMagicalGirl trope, more willfully malevolent than most but not wholly devoid of better qualities either. Come ''Alien Force'', she has [[TookALevelInJerkass become purely villainous]] and increasingly [[AxCrazy murderous]]. In ''Ultimate Alien'', she suddenly becomes a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorld [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds darkly tragic]] BrokenBird who starts going through a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor. Then in ''Omniverse'', an emotional breakdown has made her become a [[PsychopathicManchild childish]], LaughablyEvil CloudCuckoolander, although toward the end she circles back toward being more like she was in the original show.
23rd Oct '17 12:37:56 PM Isaac_Heller
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* Cleveland Jr. from ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' was portrayed as a little, energetic kid and then was almost never seen anymore for the longest time... until ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' when he reappeared transformed into a fat, slow-witted Chris Griffin {{Expy}}. This is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the episode ''A Rodent Like This'' when Junior points out to Rallo that he looks nothing like Cleveland and it is revealed [[spoiler:that the real Cleveland Junior was killed and the current one [[ItMakesSenseInContext is really a spy who replaced him in order to get to his next target]]]]. Naturally the episode has a ResetButtonEnding.

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* Cleveland Jr. from ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' was portrayed as a little, energetic kid and then was almost never seen anymore for the longest time... until ''WesternAnimation/TheClevelandShow'' when he reappeared transformed into a fat, slow-witted Chris Griffin {{Expy}}. This is [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] in the episode ''A Rodent Like This'' when Junior points out to Rallo that he looks nothing like Cleveland and it is revealed [[spoiler:that the real Cleveland Junior was killed and the current one [[ItMakesSenseInContext is really a spy who replaced him in order to get to his hisC next target]]]]. Naturally the episode has a ResetButtonEnding.


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** The character of Charmcaster is a particularly egregious case of this trope in action. In the original show, she was a play on the DarkMagicalGirl trope, more willfully malevolent than most but not wholly devoid of better qualities either. Come ''Alien Force'', she has [[TookALevelInJerkass become purely villainous]] and increasingly [[AxCrazy murderous]]. In ''Ultimate Alien'', she suddenly becomes a [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorld darkly tragic]] BrokenBird who starts going through a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor. Then in ''Omniverse'', an emotional breakdown has made her become a [[PsychopathicManchild childish]], LaughablyEvil CloudCuckoolander, although toward the end she circles back toward being more like she was in the original show.
11th Oct '17 9:17:53 PM SSJMagus
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** ...and then there's the Siege Perilous. Psylocke, Dazzler, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, and Master Mold go in, and in some cases ''very'' different people came out the other side: Russian GentleGiant farmboy Colossus (temporarily) becomes a popular American artist named Peter Nicholas, and English telepath Psylocke becomes a statuesque Japanese ninja. It also somehow created Bastion, a bizarre FusionDance of Master Mold and Nimrod, two obviously robotic characters who, when combined, look like a human.

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** ...and then there's the Siege Perilous. Psylocke, Dazzler, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, and Master Mold go in, and in some cases ''very'' different people came out the other side: Russian GentleGiant farmboy Colossus (temporarily) becomes a popular American artist named Peter Nicholas, and English telepath Psylocke becomes a statuesque Japanese ninja. It also somehow created Bastion, a bizarre FusionDance of Master Mold and Nimrod, two obviously robotic characters who, when combined, look like a human. While Nimrod was able to holographically disguise itself as a human, for Bastion this is somehow its actual physical form.



** Eventually ''that'' explanation was rebooted. [[spoiler:She really was Terra brought back from the dead, with her memories and old personality rebooted.]]

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** Eventually ''that'' explanation was rebooted. [[spoiler:She really was Terra brought back from the dead, with her memories and old personality rebooted.]] Though they went back and on this for a while until [[spoiler: it was rendered moot when Terra II was unceremoniously killed off to make room from a third, completely unrelated Terra as ComicBook/PowerGirl's sidekick]].



** With the exception of Grandpa Max, just about ''every'' character from ''Ben 10'' fits this trope when they show up in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''; looking, acting, and sounding completely different than before. This includes Ben, Gwen, Kevin Levin, Cooper, Charmcaster, the Forever Knights, and most infamously, Vilgax. Some of this can be attributed to the five-year TimeSkip, but certain changes (like Kevin's lack of sociopathy and rather abrupt HeelFaceTurn) struck the fanbase as ham-fisted.

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** With the exception of Grandpa Max, just about ''every'' character from ''Ben 10'' fits this trope when they show up in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien''; looking, acting, and sounding completely different than before. This includes Ben, Gwen, Kevin Levin, Cooper, Charmcaster, the Forever Knights, and most infamously, Vilgax. Some of this can be attributed to the five-year TimeSkip, but certain changes (like Kevin's lack of sociopathy and rather abrupt HeelFaceTurn) struck the fanbase as ham-fisted. It took ''four seasons'' (just before the Ultimate Alien season 1 finale) before any explanation was given of how Kevin had become sane.
8th Sep '17 6:30:48 AM CosmicFerret
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*** Similar to Billy is [[TheFlash Wally West]], when he finally came back. Before the reboot, Wally was Barry Allen's nephew and sidekick, an AscendedFanboy who loved the Flash before he gained his powers, a founding member of the Teen Titans, was mostly a decent guy save for being shamelessly flirty and snarky, and for several decades had succeeded Barry as the Flash and had been married with two kids. When he shows up in the new continuity, he's now a 12 year old (even younger than he was when he was Kid Flash) half-black JerkAss who hates the Flash for putting his uncle in jail, is yet to bond with Barry and doesn't seem to like him much. In old continuity he was Dick Grayson's best friend and the same age as him and Roy Harper, but then he's about a decade younger than them.

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*** Similar to Billy is [[TheFlash [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West]], when he finally came back. Before the reboot, Wally was Barry Allen's nephew and sidekick, an AscendedFanboy who loved the Flash before he gained his powers, a founding member of the Teen Titans, was mostly a decent guy save for being shamelessly flirty and snarky, and for several decades had succeeded Barry as the Flash and had been married with two kids. When he shows up in the new continuity, he's now a 12 year old (even younger than he was when he was Kid Flash) half-black JerkAss who hates the Flash for putting his uncle in jail, is yet to bond with Barry and doesn't seem to like him much. In old continuity he was Dick Grayson's best friend and the same age as him and Roy Harper, but then he's about a decade younger than them.
27th Aug '17 4:15:45 PM OnoderaTearer
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* Phoenix Wright from the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series was a promising lawyer and a really caring person on the first trilogy. And then came ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo Justice]]'', 7 years later, where Phoenix was now homeless man who played poker at the basement of a bar, and has a 15-year-old adopted daughter. Turns out that [[spoiler: due to a large petty grudge, he was set up and tricked into presenting forged evidence that cost him his career. Trucy, his adopted daughter, is the biological daughter of the man that Wright was representing and whom lost his life. Turns out the guy that offed him was the same who set up Phoenix, all out of a messed-up sense of pride. Although when you get to play as him, you learn that he's still the same guy on the inside]].

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* Pictured above is Phoenix Wright from the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series was series, a promising lawyer and a really caring person on in [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney the first trilogy. trilogy]]. And then came ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo Justice]]'', 7 years later, where Phoenix was now a homeless man who played poker at the basement of a bar, bar and has a 15-year-old adopted daughter. Turns out that [[spoiler: due to a large petty grudge, he was set up and tricked into presenting forged evidence that cost him his career. Trucy, his adopted daughter, is the biological daughter of the man that Wright was representing and whom lost his life. Turns out the guy that offed him was the same who set up Phoenix, all out of a messed-up sense of pride. Although when you get to play as him, you learn that he's still the same guy on the inside]].
27th Aug '17 4:10:48 PM OnoderaTearer
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** Though less dramatically, Frank West in ''VideoGame/TatsunokoVsCapcom: Ultimate All-Stars'' and ''Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3'' are not the same character. He still behaves the same way and his moves still fit the ''VideoGame/DeadRising'' setting he's from but the actual attacks are different and he has to approach the fight differently from ''[=TvC=]''.
** Even though he was the FinalBoss of ''VideoGame/MarvelSuperHeroes'', ComicBook/{{Thanos}} is also playable in said game. However, he retained his [[GameBreaker game breaking]] normal attacks even as a playable character. He had 6 Hyper Combos, representing his usage of each of the 6 [[ComicBook/TheInfinityGauntlet Infinity Gems]]. He was toned down considerably in ''[=MvC2=]'', where his normals weren't given such high priority and now, he only had access to 4 Hyper Combos, missing the ones were he uses the Time and Mind Gems. [[TheBusCameBack Making his return to the series]] in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcomInfinite'', Thanos' moveset was given quite an overhaul. He has several new normals, special moves, and most importantly, Hyper Combos[[note]]Considering that the usage of the now called Infinity [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Stones]] are a part of the gameplay mechanics of ''[=MvCI=]'', Thanos no longer has access to them for Hyper Combos[[/note]].

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** Though less dramatically, Frank West in ''VideoGame/TatsunokoVsCapcom: Ultimate All-Stars'' and ''Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3'' are not the same character. He still behaves the same way and his moves still fit the ''VideoGame/DeadRising'' setting he's from but the actual attacks are different different, ''[=MvC3=]'' introduced an [[MechanicallyUnusualFighter unusual]] MagikarpPower gameplay mechanic to him and he has to approach the fight differently from ''[=TvC=]''.
** Even though he was the FinalBoss of ''VideoGame/MarvelSuperHeroes'', ComicBook/{{Thanos}} is also playable in said game. However, he retained his [[GameBreaker game breaking]] normal attacks even as a playable character. He had 6 Hyper Combos, representing his usage of each of the 6 [[ComicBook/TheInfinityGauntlet Infinity Gems]]. He was toned down considerably in ''[=MvC2=]'', where his normals weren't given such high priority and now, he only had access to 4 Hyper Combos, missing the ones were where he uses the Time and Mind Gems. [[TheBusCameBack Making his return to the series]] in ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcomInfinite'', Thanos' moveset was given quite an overhaul. He has several new normals, special moves, and most importantly, Hyper Combos[[note]]Considering that the usage of the now called rechristened Infinity [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Stones]] are a part of the universal gameplay mechanics of ''[=MvCI=]'', Thanos no longer has access to them for Hyper Combos[[/note]].
28th Jun '17 8:56:09 AM RedScharlach
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** Likewise many X-men would display different or enhanced powers after an absence. Moonstar, for example gained the ability to display past events in the form of illusions. In the X-treme X-men series Mekanitz Karma was able to possess up to twenty people at a time, whereas previously she was only able to possess one or two. When Dazzler rejoined the X-men in the "Eve of Destruction" Storyline, she displayed the ability to create hard light images, previously she could only create bursts of light or lasers.
** ...and then there's the Siege Perilous. Psylocke, Dazzler, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, and Master Mold go in, and in some cases ''very'' different people came out the other side: Russian GentleGiant farmboy Colossus (temporarily) becomes a popular American artist named Peter Nicholas, and English telepath Psylocke becomes a statuesque Japanese ninja. It also somehow created Bastion, a bizarre FusionDance of Master Mold and Nimrod, two obviously robotic characters who combined look like a human.

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** Likewise many X-men would display different or enhanced powers after an absence. Moonstar, for example gained the ability to display past events in the form of illusions. In the X-treme X-men series Mekanitz ''Mekanix'', Karma was able to possess up to twenty people at a time, whereas previously she was only able to possess one or two. When Dazzler rejoined the X-men in the "Eve of Destruction" Storyline, she displayed the ability to create hard light images, previously she could only create bursts of light or lasers.
** ...and then there's the Siege Perilous. Psylocke, Dazzler, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, and Master Mold go in, and in some cases ''very'' different people came out the other side: Russian GentleGiant farmboy Colossus (temporarily) becomes a popular American artist named Peter Nicholas, and English telepath Psylocke becomes a statuesque Japanese ninja. It also somehow created Bastion, a bizarre FusionDance of Master Mold and Nimrod, two obviously robotic characters who combined who, when combined, look like a human.



* Paul Robinson was one of the main characters in the golden age of Australian soap opera ''Series/{{Neighbours}}'' back in the 80s. Then, he was greedy and ambitious, though he usually managed to do the right thing in the end. Cut to 20 years later, and a new batch of writers think that the show needs a villain. Well, who better than the soap's original bad boy Paul? Unfortunately, the new writers misremembered how bad Paul had been - his first act upon returning was to burn down the Lasitters hotel complex, murdering a minor character who got in his way. His evil behaviour continued for a while until the writers relented and wrote in a storyline where he had a brain tumour which had affected his personality. It didn't stick however and he was soon back to blackmailing, stealing, sabotaging building sites and generally wrecking lives, although he wasn't quite as bad as when he first came back.

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* Paul Robinson was one of the main characters in the golden age of Australian soap opera ''Series/{{Neighbours}}'' back in the 80s. Then, he was greedy and ambitious, though he usually managed to do the right thing in the end. Cut to 20 years later, and a new batch of writers think that the show needs a villain. Well, who better than the soap's original bad boy Paul? Unfortunately, the new writers misremembered how bad Paul had been - his first act upon returning was to burn down the Lasitters Lassiters hotel complex, murdering a minor character who got in his way. His evil behaviour continued for a while until the writers relented and wrote in a storyline where he had a brain tumour which had affected his personality. It didn't stick however and he was soon back to blackmailing, stealing, sabotaging building sites and generally wrecking lives, although he wasn't quite as bad as when he first came back.



** The Master warrants a mention, even with the fact that the regeneration mechanic (and the fact that he stole a lot of bodies) allows him to drastically reinvent his personality offscreen. First he was a DiabolicalMastermind and the Doctor's FriendlyEnemy with a knack for disguises and hypnosis, then an [[FacialHorror unspeakable rotting thing]] after his body failed, then a FauxAffablyEvil [[EvilIsHammy over-the-top villain]] after stealing a body, who eventually takes on several catlike traits thanks to a virus he encounters in one story. There's a certain amount of flexibility here due to DependingOnTheWriter issues and the decision to have it all be the same actual incarnation of the Master, but it's all reasonably logical and explicable by ''Doctor Who'' standards. Then in [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie]], he returns as a rather phallic-looking ghost snake who possesses an ambulance driver and turns him into a CaptainErsatz of Film/TheTerminator with cat eyes and acid saliva. After which he returns as a PsychopathicManchild PresidentEvil intended to be a much closer EvilCounterpart for his accompanying Doctor, with the FreudianExcuse that he constantly heard war drums beating in his head [[{{Retcon}} his whole life]] due to the Time Lords implanting it in his brain. He gets his hypnotic powers back, but they work in a completely different way. The Master's next incarnation is RevisitingTheRoots by this point, being a twisted and charming FriendlyEnemy with an outrageous personality and a knack for disguise... even though she's also a woman.

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** The Master warrants a mention, even with the fact that the regeneration mechanic mechanism (and the fact that he stole a lot of bodies) allows him to drastically reinvent his personality offscreen. First he was a DiabolicalMastermind and the Doctor's FriendlyEnemy with a knack for disguises and hypnosis, then an [[FacialHorror unspeakable rotting thing]] after his body failed, then a FauxAffablyEvil [[EvilIsHammy over-the-top villain]] after stealing a body, who eventually takes on several catlike traits thanks to a virus he encounters in one story. There's a certain amount of flexibility here due to DependingOnTheWriter issues and the decision to have it all be the same actual incarnation of the Master, but it's all reasonably logical and explicable by ''Doctor Who'' standards. Then in [[Recap/DoctorWhoTVMTheTVMovie The TV Movie]], he returns as a rather phallic-looking ghost snake who possesses an ambulance driver and turns him into a CaptainErsatz of Film/TheTerminator with cat eyes and acid saliva. After which he returns as a PsychopathicManchild PresidentEvil intended to be a much closer EvilCounterpart for his accompanying Doctor, with the FreudianExcuse that he constantly heard war drums beating in his head [[{{Retcon}} his whole life]] due to the Time Lords implanting it in his brain. He gets his hypnotic powers back, but they work in a completely different way. The Master's next incarnation is RevisitingTheRoots by this point, being a twisted and charming FriendlyEnemy with an outrageous personality and a knack for disguise... even though she's also a woman.



* In the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' series, [[MonsterClown Zombozo]] was a horrifying emotion vampire who was also a great showman. In ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'', he's just SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker with a couple magician-based superpowers.

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* In the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' series, [[MonsterClown Zombozo]] was a horrifying emotion vampire who was also a great showman. In ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'', he's just SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker with a couple of magician-based superpowers.



* Kiara as a cub hated the idea of becoming queen in ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'' but in the midquel ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' she's pleased with the idea and lords it over Kion. She was also shown to be a very poor hunter even as an adult in ''Simba's Pride'', to the point where Kovu had to teach her how to, but in ''The Lion Guard'' she seems to be a pro even as a cub.

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* Kiara as a cub hated the idea of becoming queen in ''Disney/TheLionKingIISimbasPride'' but in the midquel ''WesternAnimation/TheLionGuard'' she's pleased with the idea and lords it over Kion. She was also shown to be a very poor hunter even as an adult in ''Simba's Pride'', to the point where Kovu had to teach her how to, how, but in ''The Lion Guard'' she seems to be a pro even as a cub.
20th Jun '17 6:58:36 PM MJTrooper
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* Phoenix Wright from the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series was a promising lawyer and a really caring person on the first trilogy. And then came ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo Justice]]'', 7 years later, where Phoenix was now homeless man who played poker at the basement of a bar, and has a 15-year-old adopted daughter. Turns out that [[spoiler: due to a large petty grudge, he was set up and tricked into presenting forged evidence that cost him his career. Tracey, his adopted daughter, is the biological daughter of the man that Wright was representing and whom lost his life. Turns out the guy that offed him was the same who set up Phoenix, all out of a messed-up sense of pride. Although when you get to play as him, you learn that he's still the same guy on the inside]].

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* Phoenix Wright from the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series was a promising lawyer and a really caring person on the first trilogy. And then came ''[[VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Apollo Justice]]'', 7 years later, where Phoenix was now homeless man who played poker at the basement of a bar, and has a 15-year-old adopted daughter. Turns out that [[spoiler: due to a large petty grudge, he was set up and tricked into presenting forged evidence that cost him his career. Tracey, Trucy, his adopted daughter, is the biological daughter of the man that Wright was representing and whom lost his life. Turns out the guy that offed him was the same who set up Phoenix, all out of a messed-up sense of pride. Although when you get to play as him, you learn that he's still the same guy on the inside]].
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