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19th Jul '16 1:50:24 PM MrThorfan64
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** There are other instances where someone (Balon Greyjoy and the Sand Snakes) acknowledges that the people they spent years plotting revenge against are all dead, yet they still want revenge against their House.
** The Martells are seeking vengeance against Ser Gregor Clegane and his liege lord Tywin Lannister for murdering Princess Elia Martell and her children during the overthrow of the regime that she married into. (True, it was a war and the children were in line to the throne, but it was a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly brutal]] and unnecessary murder.) [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell is granted the chance to fight the Mountain in a duel... and when he loses fair and square, his children start clamoring for revenge against the Lannisters for HIS death, even though Gregor admitted his crimes and died rather agonizingly of his wounds anyway, and Lord Tywin is dead from unrelated causes (namely, Tyrion finally getting fed up with him and killing him).]]

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** There are other instances where someone (Balon Greyjoy and the Sand Snakes) acknowledges that the people they spent years plotting revenge against are all dead, yet they still want revenge against their House.
House. It gets rather ridiculous with Balon, who blames Ned for the death of his two eldest sons due to Ned fighting on the opposite side to Balon, one of them dying in a battle Ned wasn't even present at.
** The Martells are seeking vengeance against Ser Amory Lorch, Ser Gregor Clegane and his liege lord Tywin Lannister for murdering Princess Elia Martell and her children during the overthrow of the regime that she married into. (True, it was a war and the children were in line to the throne, but it was a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly brutal]] and unnecessary murder.) Tywin tries to get around it by blaming all the murders on Lorch after their death. [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell is granted the chance to fight the Mountain in a duel... and when he loses fair and square, his children children, the Sand Snakes, start clamoring for revenge against the Lannisters for HIS death, even though Gregor admitted his crimes and died rather agonizingly of his wounds anyway, and Lord Tywin is dead from unrelated causes (namely, Tyrion finally getting fed up with him his father and killing him).]]


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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In a massive change from the books, Brienne of Tarth [[spoiler:murders Stannis Baratheon as he is responsible for the death of [[CainAndAbel his younger brother]] Renly Baratheon. However Renly was trying to usurp the throne which Stannis had more right to, and intended to kill his brother despite Stannis offering to make them his heir. Brienne even has the audacity to call Renly "the rightful King" before she murders Stannis.]] Unsurprisingly this change has proved very controversial, making [[spoiler:Brienne]] TheScrappy for many viewers.
29th Jun '16 1:15:27 PM Chabal2
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* The dwarves of ''TabletopGame/WarhammerFantasy'' keep an enormous Book of Grudges, in which every slight and insult made to a dwarf in inscribed. These are avenged in blood, which naturally causes more dwarves to be killed, and their names are added to the Book, despite the enormous toll this takes on the population.
19th Jun '16 2:25:46 AM Dravencour
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* ''Series/{{Revenge}}: Victoria Grayson wants retribution against Emily for what happened to her family, actual or perceived. Thing is, after what Emily went through, and how much of it for which she was responsible, she [[LaserGuidedKarma had it coming]], especially given that her season 3 finale fate of being committed to an asylum [[ATasteOfTheirOwnMedicine was exactly what she did to years ago young Emily]].

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* ''Series/{{Revenge}}: Victoria Grayson wants retribution against Emily for what happened to her family, actual or perceived. Thing is, after what Emily went through, and how much of it for which she was responsible, she [[LaserGuidedKarma had it coming]], especially given that her season 3 finale fate of being committed to an asylum [[ATasteOfTheirOwnMedicine was exactly what she did to years ago to young Emily]].
19th Jun '16 2:21:53 AM Dravencour
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It's relatively common that the reason that Alice wants to kill Bob is because Bob killed Charlie. Revenge seems pretty straightforward. But it gets a lot more murky [[CrimeOfSelfDefense when Charlie was trying to kill Bob and Bob was just defending himself.]] They were in a war, it was a fight, Charlie surprised Bob at the worst time, it was an accident, the list goes on. He didn't really want to kill Charlie, and would have avoided doing so if possible. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone It's likely he regrets it greatly.]] That doesn't matter to Alice, though. Even if Charlie was a zombie actively trying to bite someone and Bob just defended them, Bob has to ''pay''.

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It's relatively common that the reason that Alice wants to kill Bob is because Bob killed Charlie. Revenge seems pretty straightforward. But it gets a lot more murky [[CrimeOfSelfDefense when Charlie was trying to kill Bob and Bob was just defending himself.]] They were in a war, it was a fight, Charlie surprised Bob at the worst time, it was an accident, the list goes on. He didn't really want to kill Charlie, and would have avoided doing so if possible. [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone It's likely he regrets it greatly.]] That But all of that doesn't matter to Alice, though. Even if Charlie was a zombie actively trying to bite someone and Bob just defended them, Bob has to ''pay''.






* One episode of ''LightNovel/KinosJourney'' had Kino meet a woman and the man she had hired as a guard as they were about to set out on a journey. She sat with the man for a while, and learned that he had killed her husband several years ago accidentally while robbing his store, and had been reformed and set free by their justice system, on the condition that he make it up to the woman by mutual agreement. It's made clear that his reform and desire to help the woman any way he can in penance for his crime are genuine. They part, and later Kino is riding through the woods when she hears a gunshot- it turns out the woman wasn't so big on the penance idea after all.

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* One episode of ''LightNovel/KinosJourney'' had Kino meet a woman and the man she had hired as a guard as they were about to set out on a journey. She sat with the man for a while, and learned that he had killed her husband several years ago accidentally while robbing his store, and had been reformed and set free by their justice system, on the condition that he make it up to the woman by mutual agreement. It's made clear that his reform and desire to help the woman any way he can in penance for his crime are genuine. They part, and later Kino is riding through the woods when she hears a gunshot- gunshot - it turns out the woman wasn't so big on the penance idea after all.
24th Mar '16 2:15:59 AM erforce
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* The entire plot of ''Film/OldBoy'' in a nutshell. Oh Dae-su wants revenge against the man who abducted and imprisoned him for 15 years. [[spoiler: Lee Woo-jin in return wants revenge against Oh Dae-su for indirectly [[DrivenToSuicide driving his sister to suicide.]]]]

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* The entire plot of ''Film/OldBoy'' ''Film/{{Oldboy 2003}}'' in a nutshell. Oh Dae-su wants revenge against the man who abducted and imprisoned him for 15 years. [[spoiler: Lee Woo-jin in return wants revenge against Oh Dae-su for indirectly [[DrivenToSuicide driving his sister to suicide.]]]]
5th Mar '16 9:49:55 PM ZeldaQueen64
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* In the [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix fifth]] and [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince sixth]] ''Franchise/HarryPotter'' books, Malfoy makes it clear he wants revenge on Harry for putting his father in prison, even though his father was arrested for helping his genocidal EvilOverlord master try to attack and/or kill quite a few people, Harry included.
* In the ''Literature/MaximumRide'' series, the reason Ari targets Max specifically during so many of their fights is because he blames her for stealing his father's love (which is not entirely as petty as it sounds - Ari's father leaving to secretly raise Max and her siblings left Ari unprotected to be experimented on by the [[MadScientist Whitecoats]]). Max tries to point out several times that she was a child at the time and had no idea what was going on beyond being rescued from a scary, painful place, but Ari refuses to listen. [[spoiler:When faced with the reality that he's going to die soon, in the third book, he finally does admit to Max that he knows she had no more control over the situation than he did.]] Considering that Ari's mentally and emotionally a child, his reaction is justified.



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* This crops up a few times in the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorney'' franchise:
** Manfred Von Karma blames Gregory Edgeworth for ruining his perfect trial record so much that he raised his son, Miles, to be a cold, ruthless prosecutor. [[spoiler:And, for good measure, it turns out [[DisproportionateRetribution he murdered Gregory and framed Miles for that murder and another]].]] The thing is, the only reason Gregory was able to put a mark on Von Karma's record was because Von Karma brutally interrogated a suspect until the suspect broke down and gave a false confession.
** Dahlia Hawthorne considers Mia Fey her mortal enemy for catching her over several murders she committed. [[spoiler:In revenge, she works with her mother on an overly-elaborate plan that involves her being channeled after her execution so that she can murder Mia's sister... after Mia herself was already dead.]] Eesh...




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* This is implied to be the case the two families that make up [[WebOriginal/SCPFoundation SCP-]][[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-2039 2039]]. Mabel Pike essentially made a DealWithTheDevil that left her family and the Wagner family in an eternal feud, because Blaine Wagner, the family's patriarch, [[spoiler:murdered Mabel's girlfriend when they were younger]]. The exact circumstances are never given though, the feud itself only began because of the supernatural aid of a mysterious entity, and the Foundation report indicates that Blaine [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone suffers from night terrors]] while frequently murmuring the name of [[spoiler:Mabel's girlfriend.]]
23rd Feb '16 9:14:02 PM Dravencour
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* Triad boss Wei from ''Film/TheReplacementKillers'' wants the young son of Stan Zedkov dead for Zedkov's own killing of Wei's son. Aside from the messed up sense of vengeance that characterizes this RevengeByProxy scheme, Wei's son was a murderous twenty-something Triad lieutenant in the drug trade, and Zedkov had tried to take him alive, even telling him not to go through with trying to kill him and the other cops.

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* Triad boss Terence Wei from ''Film/TheReplacementKillers'' wants the young son of police detective Stan Zedkov dead for Zedkov's own killing of Wei's son. Aside from the messed up sense of vengeance that characterizes this RevengeByProxy scheme, Wei's Peter Wei, the son in question, was a murderous twenty-something Triad lieutenant in the drug trade, and Zedkov had tried to take him alive, even telling him not to go through with trying to kill him and the other cops.
23rd Feb '16 9:12:35 PM Dravencour
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* Triad boss Wei from ''Film/TheReplacementKillers'' wants the young son of Stan Zedkov dead for Zedkov's own killing of Wei's son. Aside from the messed up sense of vengeance that characterizes this RevengeByProxy scheme, Wei's son was a murderous twenty-something Triad lieutenant in the drug trade, and Zedkov had tried to take him alive, even telling him not to go through with trying to kill him and the other cops.
23rd Feb '16 9:04:33 PM Dravencour
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** The Martells are seeking vengeance against Ser Gregor Clegane and his liege lord Tywin Lannister for murdering Princess Elia Martell and her children during the overthrow of the regime that she married into. (True, it was a war and the children were in line to the throne, but it was a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly brutal]] and unnecessary murder.) [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell is granted the chance to fight the Mountain in a duel... and when he loses fair and square, his children start clamoring for revenge against the Lannisters for HIS death, even though Gregor admitted his crimes and died rather agonizingly of his wounds anyway, and Lord Tywin is dead from unrelated causes (namely, Tyrion finally getting fed up with him and killing him.]]

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** The Martells are seeking vengeance against Ser Gregor Clegane and his liege lord Tywin Lannister for murdering Princess Elia Martell and her children during the overthrow of the regime that she married into. (True, it was a war and the children were in line to the throne, but it was a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly brutal]] and unnecessary murder.) [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell is granted the chance to fight the Mountain in a duel... and when he loses fair and square, his children start clamoring for revenge against the Lannisters for HIS death, even though Gregor admitted his crimes and died rather agonizingly of his wounds anyway, and Lord Tywin is dead from unrelated causes (namely, Tyrion finally getting fed up with him and killing him.him).]]
23rd Feb '16 9:03:56 PM Dravencour
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** The Martells are seeking vengeance against Ser Gregor Clegane and his liege lord Tywin lannister for murdering Princess Elia Martell and her children during the overthrow of the regime she married into. (True, it was a war and the children were in line to the throne, but it was a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly brutal]] and unnecessary murder.) [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell is granted the chance to fight Clegane in a duel... and when he loses fair and square, his children start clamoring for revenge against the Lannisters for HIS death, even though Clegane admitted his crimes and died of his wounds anyway, and Lord Tywin is dead from unrelated causes.]]

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** The Martells are seeking vengeance against Ser Gregor Clegane and his liege lord Tywin lannister Lannister for murdering Princess Elia Martell and her children during the overthrow of the regime that she married into. (True, it was a war and the children were in line to the throne, but it was a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly brutal]] and unnecessary murder.) [[spoiler:Oberyn Martell is granted the chance to fight Clegane the Mountain in a duel... and when he loses fair and square, his children start clamoring for revenge against the Lannisters for HIS death, even though Clegane Gregor admitted his crimes and died rather agonizingly of his wounds anyway, and Lord Tywin is dead from unrelated causes.causes (namely, Tyrion finally getting fed up with him and killing him.]]
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