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12th Feb '18 1:08:04 PM Discar
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* ''VideoGame/MiddleEarthShadowOfWar'': Gondor has a line of stewards that has been in charge for over twenty-five generations. While in the [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings books]] the current steward would have been willing to give up the throne despite his mounting insanity (though he might have denied Aragorn as the rightful king, he dies before the question can come up), in the [[Film/LordOfTheRings films]] Denethor and his son Baromir both declare "Gondor has no king--Gondor needs no king." The game follows this, with Talion and the other Gondorians proud to be a country without a king, and consider themselves more free than any other because of it. When Celebrimbor points out that the steward is exactly the same as a king, Talion ignores him.
11th Feb '18 10:40:28 AM kbissett
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** An interesting variant occurred in the prequel novels - after Riva's queen Beldaran died, he was too grief-stricken to rule his kingdom. So he declared the crown prince to be his regent and went into seclusion. By the time the king actually died, he'd been away from the public eye for so long that a lot of the peasants in the kingdom were surprised that he had still been alive up to that point.

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** An interesting variant occurred in the prequel novels - after Riva's queen Beldaran died, he was too grief-stricken to rule his kingdom. So he declared the crown prince to be his regent and went into seclusion. By the time the king actually died, died and the regent became king in truth, he'd been away from the public eye for so long that a lot of the peasants in the kingdom were surprised that he had still been alive up to that point.
11th Feb '18 10:39:48 AM kbissett
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** An interesting variant occurred in the prequel novels - after Riva's queen Beldaran died, he was too grief-stricken to rule his kingdom. So he declared the crown prince to be his regent and went into seclusion. By the time the king actually died, he'd been away from the public eye for so long that a lot of the peasants in the kingdom were surprised that he had still been alive up to that point.
10th Feb '18 10:56:21 AM infernape612
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-->-- '''''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings The Two Towers]]'''''

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23rd Jan '18 7:06:47 AM Cryoclaste
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* ''WorldOfWarcraft'': Lor'themar Theron is one of the blue moon variety; he was left as Regent-Lord of Silvermoon while Prince Kael'thas journeyed to Outland to find magic to feed his people. [[spoiler: Following Kael'thas' fall and defeat(s), there is no one left in the Sunstrider line, leaving Lor'themar as the new ruler of the Blood Elves. Curiously, he still holds the title "Regent", and has yet to establish his own dynasty. His closest friend Halduron seems to be pushing for him to do so, though Lor'themar insists he is a ranger, not a politician.]]

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* ''WorldOfWarcraft'': ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'': Lor'themar Theron is one of the blue moon variety; he was left as Regent-Lord of Silvermoon while Prince Kael'thas journeyed to Outland to find magic to feed his people. [[spoiler: Following Kael'thas' fall and defeat(s), there is no one left in the Sunstrider line, leaving Lor'themar as the new ruler of the Blood Elves. Curiously, he still holds the title "Regent", and has yet to establish his own dynasty. His closest friend Halduron seems to be pushing for him to do so, though Lor'themar insists he is a ranger, not a politician.]]
27th Sep '17 11:39:20 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, the title of Potentate serves as a somewhat legal and accepted version of this with the Cyrodiilic Empires. To note:

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, the title of Potentate serves as a somewhat legal and accepted version of this with the Cyrodiilic Empires. To note:''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''



** Empress Katariah (the sole non-human to hold the Imperial throne) officially became this not long after becoming Empress -- her marriage to Pelagius the Mad was arranged by Pelagius' father specifically ''because'' she was a shrewd and capable politician that could help cover for Pelagius' eccentricities, and right from the coronation most actual power was held by Katariah and the Elder Council, but by the two year mark of Pelagius' reign his madness had become too publicly apparent, and Katariah was officially granted regency, holding it until Pelagius' death (at which point she assumed the throne and ruled in her own right in what is widely recorded as one of the most prosperous, peaceful periods of the Septim Empire).
** Following [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion the Oblivion Crisis]], Ocato of Firsthold became Potentate (only after, according to records, [[TheCreon exhausting efforts to find a sufficiently acceptable imperial heir]]), and by all accounts was well on his way to stabilizing the Empire... only to be assassinated by the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] in a (successful) attempt to destabilize the Empire to make way for the rebirth of the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]] under their rule.

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** Empress Katariah (the (A [[OurElvesAreBetter Dunmeri]] Duchess, the sole non-human to hold the Imperial throne) throne during the Septim dynasty) officially became this Empress-Regent not long after becoming Empress -- her marriage to [[TheCaligula Pelagius the Mad Mad]] was arranged by Pelagius' father specifically ''because'' she was a shrewd and capable politician that could help cover for Pelagius' eccentricities, and right from the coronation most actual power was held by Katariah and the Elder Council, but Council. However, by the two year mark of Pelagius' reign reign, his madness had become too publicly apparent, and Katariah was officially granted regency, holding it until Pelagius' death (at which point she assumed the throne and ruled in her own right in what is widely recorded as one of the most prosperous, peaceful periods of the Septim Empire).
** Following [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion the Oblivion Crisis]], Ocato of Firsthold became Potentate (only after, according to records, [[TheCreon exhausting efforts to find a sufficiently acceptable imperial heir]]), and by all accounts was [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure well on his way to stabilizing the Empire...Empire]]... only to be assassinated by the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] in a (successful) attempt to destabilize the Empire to make way for the rebirth of the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]] under their rule.
27th Sep '17 10:59:41 AM BeerBaron
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* The title of Potentate serves as something like this in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', although it has only shown up in history books. Originally the Potentates were the Akaviri chief adviser to the Reman dynasty of emperors, but after the last close scion of the Reman line was assassinated (possibly on the orders of the Potentate at the time) the Potentates declared the Second Era and took up imperial authority but not the imperial ''title'', remaining Potentates and initially suggesting it might be temporary if a proper imperial heir could be agreed upon by the nobility (it never was; the Akaviri Potentate was ended with the assassination of the second ruling Potentate and his heirs, ushering in an interregnum). By the Third Era, Potentate had become a reserve title allowed by the Elder Council Charter if no imperial heir could be agreed upon in the event of the line of succession being disrupted, allowing the High Chancellor of the Council to take up most imperial authority as Potentate. After [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion the Oblivion Crisis]], Ocato of Firsthold became Potentate (according to records after exhausting efforts to find a sufficiently acceptable imperial heir), and by all accounts was well on his way to stabilising the Empire... only to be assassinated by the Thalmor for standing in their way.
** Empress Katariah (the sole non-human to hold the Imperial throne) officially became this not long after becoming Empress -- her marriage to Pelagius the Mad was arranged by Pelagius' father specifically ''because'' she was a shrewd and capable politician that could help cover for Pelagius' eccentricities, and right from the coronation most actual power was held by Katariah and the Imperial parliament (the Elder Council), but by the two year mark of Pelagius' reign his madness had become too publicly apparent, and Katariah was officially granted regency, holding it until Pelagius' death (at which point she assumed the throne and ruled in her own right in what is widely recorded as one of the most prosperous, peaceful periods of the Septim Empire).

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* The In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, the title of Potentate serves as something like a somewhat legal and accepted version of this in ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', although it has only shown up in history books. Originally the Potentates were the Akaviri chief adviser to the Reman dynasty of emperors, but after the last close scion of the Reman line was assassinated (possibly on the orders of the Potentate at the time) the Potentates declared the Second Era and took up imperial authority but not the imperial ''title'', remaining Potentates and initially suggesting it might be temporary if a proper imperial heir could be agreed upon by the nobility (it never was; the Akaviri Potentate was ended with the Cyrodiilic Empires. To note:
** Following
the assassination of Emperor Reman Cyrodiil III, last in the second ruling Potentate Reman line, his [[{{Wutai}} Akaviri]] advisor, Versidue-Shaie, (who quite possibly played a part in the assassination, as well as the previous death of the Crown Prince) took up Imperial authority (but not the title of Emperor) and declared it to be the 2nd Era of Tamriellic history. Following his heirs, ushering in an interregnum). By assassination, his son, Savirien-Chorak, then took the Third Era, title. The two ruled for over 400 years (the Akavari are apparently LongLived) at the start of the 2nd Era until Savirien-Chorak was also assassinated. Some time after this, (by no later than the 3rd Era) Potentate had become a reserve title allowed by the Elder Council Charter if no imperial heir could be agreed upon in the event of the line of succession being disrupted, allowing the High Chancellor of the Council to take up most imperial authority as Potentate. After [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion the Oblivion Crisis]], Ocato of Firsthold became Potentate (according to records after exhausting efforts to find a sufficiently acceptable imperial heir), and by all accounts was well on his way to stabilising the Empire... only to be assassinated by the Thalmor for standing in their way.
Potentate.
** Empress Katariah (the sole non-human to hold the Imperial throne) officially became this not long after becoming Empress -- her marriage to Pelagius the Mad was arranged by Pelagius' father specifically ''because'' she was a shrewd and capable politician that could help cover for Pelagius' eccentricities, and right from the coronation most actual power was held by Katariah and the Imperial parliament (the Elder Council), Council, but by the two year mark of Pelagius' reign his madness had become too publicly apparent, and Katariah was officially granted regency, holding it until Pelagius' death (at which point she assumed the throne and ruled in her own right in what is widely recorded as one of the most prosperous, peaceful periods of the Septim Empire).Empire).
** Following [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion the Oblivion Crisis]], Ocato of Firsthold became Potentate (only after, according to records, [[TheCreon exhausting efforts to find a sufficiently acceptable imperial heir]]), and by all accounts was well on his way to stabilizing the Empire... only to be assassinated by the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] in a (successful) attempt to destabilize the Empire to make way for the rebirth of the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri]] [[TheEmpire Dominion]] under their rule.
24th Sep '17 11:42:42 AM nombretomado
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* Averted in the ''[[Literature/{{Belgariad}} Mallorean]]''. The King of Drasnia dies, leaving his young son on the throne. The boy's mother becomes regent and is very careful about steadily increasing his responsibilities, so that he'll be ready once she steps down. (It helps that Belgarion, for all intents and purposes a MessianicArchetype, is practically the kid's godfather - everyone would want to take over Drasnia with just a boy-king and a woman running it, but ''nobody'' will screw with the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Godslayer]].)
** Played straight in the {{Belgariad}} with the Warders of Riva, who have been waiting for their king for several hundred years. Like the Stewards of Gondor, they are hereditary regents, though unlike Denethor, the last one welcomes back his king. One of his sons, on the other hand, was so enraged at seeing his father's power be usurped he tried to kill Garion.

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* Averted in the ''[[Literature/{{Belgariad}} Mallorean]]''.''Literature/TheMalloreon''. The King of Drasnia dies, leaving his young son on the throne. The boy's mother becomes regent and is very careful about steadily increasing his responsibilities, so that he'll be ready once she steps down. (It helps that Belgarion, for all intents and purposes a MessianicArchetype, is practically the kid's godfather - everyone would want to take over Drasnia with just a boy-king and a woman running it, but ''nobody'' will screw with the [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Godslayer]].)
** Played straight in the {{Belgariad}} ''Literature/TheBelgariad'' with the Warders of Riva, who have been waiting for their king for several hundred years. Like the Stewards of Gondor, they are hereditary regents, though unlike Denethor, the last one welcomes back his king. One of his sons, on the other hand, was so enraged at seeing his father's power be usurped he tried to kill Garion.
5th Sep '17 7:13:54 AM LordInsane
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** Empress Katariah (the sole non-human to hold the Imperial throne) officially became this not long after becoming Empress -- her marriage to Pelagius the Mad was arranged by Pelagius' father specifically ''because'' she was a shrewd and capable politician that could help cover for Pelagius' eccentricities, and right from the coronation most actual power was held by Katariah and the Imperial parliament (the Elder Council), but by the two year mark of Pelagius' reign his madness had become too publicly apparent, and Katariah was officially granted regency, holding it until Pelagius' death (at which point she assumed the throne and ruled in her own right in what is widely recorded as one of the most prosperous, peaceful periods of the Septim Empire).
2nd Aug '17 4:19:21 PM gb00393
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* Cersei Lannister in ''Series/GameOfThrones'', as detailed above under Literature. Later subverted in that, while she deliberately put her son Joffrey on the throne with the intention of being this trope (which probably would have been an improvement over him ruling in his own right) she quickly found him less controllable than she expected. Then when [[spoiler: he dies and Tommen takes the throne]], she tries again only to be pushed out by his wife and later the Faith Militant. [[spoiler: Cersei eventually foregoes the 'regent' part altogether and claims the throne herself after she blows up the wife and the Faith Militant, leading to Tommen's suicide.]]

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* Cersei Lannister in ''Series/GameOfThrones'', as detailed above under Literature. Later subverted in that, while she deliberately put her son Joffrey on the throne with the intention of being this trope (which probably would have been an improvement over him ruling in his own right) she quickly found him less controllable than she expected.expected, which was one of the reasons why she progressively turned against Joffrey with each passing episode. It was her own damn fault for being a moron, but still. Then when [[spoiler: he dies and Tommen takes the throne]], she tries again only to be pushed out by his wife and later the Faith Militant. [[spoiler: Cersei eventually foregoes the 'regent' part altogether and claims the throne herself after she blows up the wife and the Faith Militant, leading to Tommen's suicide.]]
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