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25th Jul '17 8:39:30 AM pmb1998
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** Somewhat inverted during the [[KillThemAll Genocide Run]]. Final boss, [[spoiler:Sans]], offers to spraer player midway through [[spoiler:his]] fight. If player accepts, [[ISurrenderSuckers he'll get attacked with an unblockable insta-kill]]. However, considering how boss [[spoiler:knows about player's ability to control time and actually asks them to go back and do everything again right way]], it's less "redemption equals death" and more "resurrection equals redemption".

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** Somewhat inverted during the [[KillThemAll Genocide Run]]. Final boss, [[spoiler:Sans]], offers to spraer spare player midway through [[spoiler:his]] fight. If player accepts, [[ISurrenderSuckers he'll they'll get attacked with an unblockable insta-kill]]. However, considering how boss [[spoiler:knows about player's ability to control time and actually asks them to go back and do everything again right way]], it's less "redemption equals death" and more "resurrection equals redemption".
25th Jul '17 8:37:46 AM pmb1998
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** Enforced and somewhat downplayed with [[spoiler:[[TragicVillain Asriel Dreemurr]]. In order to maintain physical form and ability to feel, he needs soul - however he lost his own and has to [[PoweredByAForsakenChild use souls he stole from other monsters.]] Once HeelRealisation kicks in, he finds himself in situation where he must either doom them all to a FateWorseThanDeath, or give back their souls - thus himself losing his body and once again turning into [[FoulFlower Flowey]]. ]]
25th Jul '17 3:22:14 AM pmb1998
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* During the [[KillThemAll Genocide Run]] in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' you are offered a way out numerous times, one of the most prominent examples being [[spoiler:Papyrus]], who does not even try to fight you hoping you will do the right thing and not kill [[spoiler: him]]. That's what makes this trope so surprising when the Final Boss ([[spoiler:Sans]]) shows up. Midway through a fight [[ThatOneBoss that is deliberately designed to frustrate the player]] into [[RageQuit giving up]], you are offered a chance to back down and Spare the boss. If you do so, [[spoiler:he]] will lure you into a false sense of security [[OneHitKill only to kill you in one hit]] because he considers you´ve done too much evil to be forgiven. Subverted in that you are still allowed to back down, by resetting and therefore undoing all the harm that you caused, as he suggests you do.

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* During Played with in several ways in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''.
** Subverted with [[KillerRobot Mettaton EX]]. After his HeelFaceTurn he is left with almost no power and no way to recharge. He gives player a tearful goodbye... however, he makes it clear that once Alphys finds him, he will be saved and does show up again during the finale of the game.
** Somewhat inverted during
the [[KillThemAll Genocide Run]] in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' you are offered a way out numerous times, one of the most prominent examples being [[spoiler:Papyrus]], who does not even try to fight you hoping you will do the right thing and not kill [[spoiler: him]]. That's what makes this trope so surprising when the Run]]. Final Boss ([[spoiler:Sans]]) shows up. Midway boss, [[spoiler:Sans]], offers to spraer player midway through a fight [[ThatOneBoss that is deliberately designed [[spoiler:his]] fight. If player accepts, [[ISurrenderSuckers he'll get attacked with an unblockable insta-kill]]. However, considering how boss [[spoiler:knows about player's ability to frustrate the player]] into [[RageQuit giving up]], you are offered a chance control time and actually asks them to go back down and Spare the boss. If you do so, [[spoiler:he]] will lure you into a false sense of security [[OneHitKill only to kill you in one hit]] because he considers you´ve done too much evil to be forgiven. Subverted in that you are still allowed to back down, by resetting everything again right way]], it's less "redemption equals death" and therefore undoing all the harm that you caused, as he suggests you do.more "resurrection equals redemption".
23rd Jul '17 11:25:14 AM SpacemanSpoof
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** Which, given the allegorical nature of the series, is a direct reference to a certain famous HeroicSacrifice in ''Literature/TheBible''.
12th Jul '17 7:54:44 PM Eievie
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->''"The problem with a "redemption" gig is, well, no one want to see it. They all went to believe in it, sure, but to do it... it's as good as signing your own death warrent. Audiences don't want to see you redeemed, living a normal life. They'll never truly forgive your for your flaws as long as you're alive."''

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->''"The problem with a "redemption" 'redemption' gig is, well, no one want to see it. They all went to believe in it, sure, but to do it... it's as good as signing your own death warrent. Audiences don't want to see you redeemed, living a normal life. They'll never truly forgive your for your flaws as long as you're alive."''
12th Jul '17 7:54:11 PM Eievie
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->''"Please, I've done so much wrong. Allow me to do one last thing right."''
-->-- ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''

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->''"Please, I've done so much wrong. Allow me ->''"The problem with a "redemption" gig is, well, no one want to see it. They all went to believe in it, sure, but to do one last thing right.it... it's as good as signing your own death warrent. Audiences don't want to see you redeemed, living a normal life. They'll never truly forgive your for your flaws as long as you're alive."''
-->-- ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''
'''James Norrington''', ''{{Webcomic/Roommates}}'', "Redemption"
9th Jul '17 8:45:02 AM nombretomado
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* Subverted in the Film/StarTrek fanfic ''Fanfic/FlightOfTheCondor''. The fugitive Richard Beckwith is killed saving [[spoiler: Edith Keeler's life]]. However, [[spoiler: Keeler]] later becomes involved in [[spoiler: WorldWarTwo, changing who lives and who dies, causing Earth to be populated by different people for the next three hundred years, preventing the existence of the Federation and the ''Enterprise''.]]

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* Subverted in the Film/StarTrek fanfic ''Fanfic/FlightOfTheCondor''. The fugitive Richard Beckwith is killed saving [[spoiler: Edith Keeler's life]]. However, [[spoiler: Keeler]] later becomes involved in [[spoiler: WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, changing who lives and who dies, causing Earth to be populated by different people for the next three hundred years, preventing the existence of the Federation and the ''Enterprise''.]]
9th Jul '17 4:58:37 AM Grudgeal
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* R.K. Maroon in ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit'' hires Eddie Valiant to blackmail his neighbour Marvin Acme, so Acme will sell his studio to Cloverleaf Industries. [[spoiler:Then he realizes what Cloverleaf ''really'' wants is Toontown, which Acme also owns, so they can demolish it. Maroon then tries to find Acme's will and testament, which will return ownership of Toontown to the Toons and keep it out of Cloverleaf's hands. This, [[HeKnowsTooMuch and attempting to explain it to Eddie]], gets him killed by the BigBad.]]
7th Jul '17 6:07:11 AM AutumnLeaves
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* In Dmitry Drimov's ''Journey to the Country of Dreams'', the SmugSnake Glung who had never once lifted a finger to help someone else realizes [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness the villain doesn't need him at all and all his plots and treacheries were for nothing]], and pierces his own heart so that his blood would save his dying brother.
29th Jun '17 4:34:40 PM Geoduck
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** [[spoiler: Sasha, the previously utterly amoral mole and infiltrator]] ends up at the wrong end of [[spoiler:Oasis's knives]] following [[spoiler: her evidently sincere claim that she really does love Riff and wants to make amends.]] What makes it particularly cruel is that it was all more or less an accident.

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** This seems to be the case with [[spoiler: Sasha, the previously utterly amoral mole and infiltrator]] who ends up at the wrong end of [[spoiler:Oasis's knives]] following [[spoiler: her evidently sincere claim that she really does love Riff and wants to make amends.]] What makes But then [[spoiler: it particularly cruel is turns out that it was all more or less an accident.she deliberately sacrificed herself for Hereticorp, planting nanotech trackers on Riff and Oasis by coming in physical contact with them.]]
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