History Main / RedemptionEqualsDeath

22nd Apr '16 7:24:28 PM BlackSunNocturne
Is there an issue? Send a Message


---> Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, [[BeAllMySinsRemembered the ill deeds along with the good]], and let me be judged accordingly. [[ShoutOutToShakespeare The rest... is silence]].

to:

---> Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, [[BeAllMySinsRemembered the ill deeds along with the good]], and let me be judged accordingly. [[ShoutOutToShakespeare [[ShoutOut/ToShakespeare The rest... is silence]].
21st Apr '16 4:30:54 PM Willbyr
Is there an issue? Send a Message


%% Image kept on page per Image Pickin' thread: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1461169217081717600
%% Please do not replace or remove without starting a new thread.
%%









20th Apr '16 2:53:37 PM eroock
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->--''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''

to:

-->--''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''
-->-- ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''
11th Apr '16 1:02:58 PM GranChi
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Literature/PercyJackson'': [[spoiler: Luke]] becomes good again at the end of the series. However, since [[spoiler: Kronos]] is inhabiting his body, the only way to defeat him is to stab himself in the wrist. He does, and has one last conversation with Percy and Annabeth before he dies.

to:

* ''Literature/PercyJackson'': [[spoiler: Luke]] becomes good again at the end of the series. However, since [[spoiler: Kronos]] is inhabiting his body, the only way to defeat him is to stab himself in the wrist. He does, and has one last conversation with Percy and Annabeth before he dies.
11th Apr '16 1:02:14 PM GranChi
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

* ''Literature/PercyJackson'': [[spoiler: Luke]] becomes good again at the end of the series. However, since [[spoiler: Kronos]] is inhabiting his body, the only way to defeat him is to stab himself in the wrist. He does, and has one last conversation with Percy and Annabeth before he dies.
10th Mar '16 1:36:15 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** This was a favourite trope of ''Series/DoctorWho'' in the old days. A guest character would do something terrible, then redeem themselves by sacrificing their life. Examples include Sara Kingdom (executed her brother under orders, then gives her life to save the galaxy from the Daleks' Master Plan), Fewsham (a DirtyCoward who aided the Ice Warriors in their plan, then when he realized [[WhatHaveIDone what he had done]] arranged to alert Earth to the Ice Warrior fleet and how to stop them; he gets shot when the Ice Warriors get suspicious at his recapitulation of everything and then notice recording in progress), and Galloway in "Death to the Daleks" who blows himself up along with their spacecraft.

to:

** This was a favourite trope of ''Series/DoctorWho'' in the old days. A guest character would do something terrible, then redeem themselves by sacrificing their life. Examples include Sara Kingdom (executed her brother under orders, then gives her life to save the galaxy from the Daleks' Master Plan), Fewsham (a DirtyCoward who aided the Ice Warriors in their plan, then when he realized [[WhatHaveIDone what he had done]] arranged to alert Earth to the Ice Warrior fleet and how to stop them; he gets shot when the Ice Warriors get suspicious at his recapitulation of everything and then notice recording in progress), and Galloway in "Death to the Daleks" who blows himself up along with their spacecraft.



* ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'': [[spoiler: Xena]]'s death is an example of this. After spending some six seasons trying to redeem herself through actions such as helping people and saving the world, the final episode "A Friend in Need" quite clearly shows that only death will do. This bit of writing is quite possibly the most universally ''despised'' plot piece in all the Xenaverse. Somewhat different from regular examples of this trope in that the great mistake is shown as a flashback, from before even her earliest appearance on Hercules.

to:

* ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'': ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'':
**
[[spoiler: Xena]]'s death is an example of this. After spending some six seasons trying to redeem herself through actions such as helping people and saving the world, the final episode "A Friend in Need" quite clearly shows that only death will do. This bit of writing is quite possibly the most universally ''despised'' plot piece in all the Xenaverse. Somewhat different from regular examples of this trope in that the great mistake is shown as a flashback, from before even her earliest appearance on Hercules.



* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': Sebastian Blood realizes Slade has no interest in Starling City other than outright destroying it, so he decides to betray him by giving the Mirakuru cure to The Arrow and pays the ultimate price because of it.

to:

* ''Series/{{Arrow}}'': ''Series/{{Arrow}}'':
**
Sebastian Blood realizes Slade has no interest in Starling City other than outright destroying it, so he decides to betray him by giving the Mirakuru cure to The Arrow and pays the ultimate price because of it.



* Agent Michelle Lee in the ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' Episode "Dagger" was revealed as a mole, working for a criminal who kidnapped her daughter. In the process of helping to catch him, she is held and used as a human shield. She nods to Gibbs to signify that he should shoot through her, which he does.
** Jenny Shepard also fits this trope. She dies in a shootout while trying to protect Gibbs from a woman she was supposed to have killed years before. She was apparently dying of ''something'' anyway. Fandom was just happy to see Paris flashbacks die with her.

to:

* ''Series/{{NCIS}}'':
**
Agent Michelle Lee in the ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' Episode "Dagger" was revealed as a mole, working for a criminal who kidnapped her daughter. In the process of helping to catch him, she is held and used as a human shield. She nods to Gibbs to signify that he should shoot through her, which he does.
** Jenny Shepard also fits this trope. She dies in a shootout while trying to protect Gibbs from a woman she was supposed to have killed years before. She was apparently dying of ''something'' anyway. Fandom was just happy to see Paris flashbacks die with her.



* ''Series/BabylonFive'''s Neroon is not fully redeemed until he commits ritual suicide to end the Minbari civil war, sacrificing himself in place of Delenn.
** It's not just the sacrifice, though, as only that would have given victory to the Warrior Caste. In his last moments, he announces that he is now a member of the Spiritual Caste, thus giving victory to Delenn's side.

to:

* ''Series/BabylonFive'''s ''Series/BabylonFive'':
**
Neroon is not fully redeemed until he commits ritual suicide to end the Minbari civil war, sacrificing himself in place of Delenn.
**
Delenn. It's not just the sacrifice, though, as only that would have given victory to the Warrior Caste. In his last moments, he announces that he is now a member of the Spiritual Caste, thus giving victory to Delenn's side.



* ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' has this happen to [[spoiler:Boomer.]] After being the poster child of the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor thanks to a number of [[BreakTheCutie traumatizing experiences]], her actions culminate in the kidnapping of Cylon/human hybrid Hera Agathon so she could be studied. Soon enough, after bonding with her "niece," Boomer faces second thoughts and rescues Hera before anything serious can happen. She is reunited with the crew of Galactica, and upon returning Hera to them, Athena, Boomer's genetic twin and Hera's mother, guns Boomer down in a hail of bullets, finally allowing Boomer to achieve total redemption.
** Another example is Felix Gaeta. After the revelation of Earth being a big nuked out wasteland and the fact that the rebel cylons were going to be granted amnesty by the fleet, Gaeta, with the help of TheStarscream Tom Zarek, leads a mutiny against Adama. After pulling many horrible decisions, including ordering the craft carrying Roslin be destroyed, throwing a joke of a trial for Adama, and imprisoning Helo, Athena, Hera and Sam, Gaeta loses a lot of sympathy, both from in and out of the show. After the mutiny fails and he is sentenced to death, Gaeta's amputated leg stops hurting and he wins some sympathy back.
* Lionel Luthor in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. At one point he seems to be ready to sacrifice anyone and everyone involving his own son for the sake of power, survival or even just getting his own way. But being inhabited by Clark's spirit seems to affect him and becoming the vessel for Jor-El definitely affects him, turning him into a not-entirely-trusted ally. In the end, he dies protecting Clark, getting pushed to his death by Lex after refusing to divulge information.

to:

* ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' has this happen to Galactica|2003}}'':
**
[[spoiler:Boomer.]] After being the poster child of the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor thanks to a number of [[BreakTheCutie traumatizing experiences]], her actions culminate in the kidnapping of Cylon/human hybrid Hera Agathon so she could be studied. Soon enough, after bonding with her "niece," Boomer faces second thoughts and rescues Hera before anything serious can happen. She is reunited with the crew of Galactica, and upon returning Hera to them, Athena, Boomer's genetic twin and Hera's mother, guns Boomer down in a hail of bullets, finally allowing Boomer to achieve total redemption.
** Another example is Felix Gaeta. After the revelation of Earth being a big nuked out wasteland and the fact that the rebel cylons were going to be granted amnesty by the fleet, Gaeta, with the help of TheStarscream Tom Zarek, leads a mutiny against Adama. After pulling many horrible decisions, including ordering the craft carrying Roslin be destroyed, throwing a joke of a trial for Adama, and imprisoning Helo, Athena, Hera and Sam, Gaeta loses a lot of sympathy, both from in and out of the show. After the mutiny fails and he is sentenced to death, Gaeta's amputated leg stops hurting and he wins some sympathy back.
* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'':
**
Lionel Luthor in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''.Luthor. At one point he seems to be ready to sacrifice anyone and everyone involving his own son for the sake of power, survival or even just getting his own way. But being inhabited by Clark's spirit seems to affect him and becoming the vessel for Jor-El definitely affects him, turning him into a not-entirely-trusted ally. In the end, he dies protecting Clark, getting pushed to his death by Lex after refusing to divulge information.



* Bellick in ''Series/PrisonBreak'' begins as a complete asshole and cowardly bully, but after significant CharacterDevelopment, joins Michael Scofield's search for Scylla. In "Greatness Achieved", he [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to allow the others to carry on, [[spoiler:by climbing into a pipe to lift a cross-pipe into place, knowing the pipe he's in will flood]].

to:

* ''Series/PrisonBreak'':
**
Bellick in ''Series/PrisonBreak'' begins as a complete asshole and cowardly bully, but after significant CharacterDevelopment, joins Michael Scofield's search for Scylla. In "Greatness Achieved", he [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to allow the others to carry on, [[spoiler:by climbing into a pipe to lift a cross-pipe into place, knowing the pipe he's in will flood]].
10th Mar '16 1:33:12 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** Rattigan didn't see the error of his ways so much as the Sontarans double-crossed him and revealed their promise to take him and his followers to a new world was a lie. He was fully aware that Earth was going to be destroyed and didn't care until he was personally betrayed, so the idea of "redemption" is debatable.
*** Still an arguable case, since his first reaction upon finding out he was betrayed was to lie on the ground weeping and then waving around a gun and make excuses for himself when the Doctor shows up. [[spoiler:It's not until the Doctor tells him to "go do something clever" with his life that he seems inspired and decides to sacrifice himself instead of letting the Doctor die.]]



*** To the surprise of exactly 0 people. He doesn't stay dead.
10th Mar '16 1:32:46 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''XenaWarriorPrincess'': [[spoiler: Xena]]'s death is an example of this. After spending some six seasons trying to redeem herself through actions such as helping people and saving the world, the final episode "A Friend in Need" quite clearly shows that only death will do. This bit of writing is quite possibly the most universally ''despised'' plot piece in all the Xenaverse. Somewhat different from regular examples of this trope in that the great mistake is shown as a flashback, from before even her earliest appearance on Hercules.

to:

* ''XenaWarriorPrincess'': ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'': [[spoiler: Xena]]'s death is an example of this. After spending some six seasons trying to redeem herself through actions such as helping people and saving the world, the final episode "A Friend in Need" quite clearly shows that only death will do. This bit of writing is quite possibly the most universally ''despised'' plot piece in all the Xenaverse. Somewhat different from regular examples of this trope in that the great mistake is shown as a flashback, from before even her earliest appearance on Hercules.



* Bellick in ''PrisonBreak'' begins as a complete asshole and cowardly bully, but after significant CharacterDevelopment, joins Michael Scofield's search for Scylla. In "Greatness Achieved", he [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to allow the others to carry on, [[spoiler:by climbing into a pipe to lift a cross-pipe into place, knowing the pipe he's in will flood]].

to:

* Bellick in ''PrisonBreak'' ''Series/PrisonBreak'' begins as a complete asshole and cowardly bully, but after significant CharacterDevelopment, joins Michael Scofield's search for Scylla. In "Greatness Achieved", he [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifices himself]] to allow the others to carry on, [[spoiler:by climbing into a pipe to lift a cross-pipe into place, knowing the pipe he's in will flood]].



* During the original ''Series/{{V}}'' miniseries, Kristine Walsh served as the Visitors' main spokesperson, until she realized the [[LaResistance Resistance]] was right about them, and tried to expose them on air. [[TheDragon Diana]] promptly shot her.

to:

* During the original ''Series/{{V}}'' ''Series/{{V 1983}}'' miniseries, Kristine Walsh served as the Visitors' main spokesperson, until she realized the [[LaResistance Resistance]] was right about them, and tried to expose them on air. [[TheDragon Diana]] promptly shot her.



* ''TwelveMonkeys'': Cole seems to believe this, which is his motivation for agreeing to participate in the time-travel missions. If he succeeds, he (or at least, this particular version of him) will be [[{{RetGone}} erased from existence]], along with all the violent actions he committed as a 'Scavenger' in order to survive in the harsh post-apocalyptic world.

to:

* ''TwelveMonkeys'': ''Series/TwelveMonkeys'': Cole seems to believe this, which is his motivation for agreeing to participate in the time-travel missions. If he succeeds, he (or at least, this particular version of him) will be [[{{RetGone}} erased from existence]], along with all the violent actions he committed as a 'Scavenger' in order to survive in the harsh post-apocalyptic world.
7th Mar '16 11:22:20 AM giygasattack
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Let's not forget Wormtail, though his death was case of Doubt Equals Death along with HoistByHisOwnPetard. [[spoiler:When he refrains from killing Harry, his silver hand promptly chokes him to death.]]
** There's also a subversion later on in the same book. Near the climax, [[spoiler:Percy]] finally comes back to the good side, only for [[spoiler:his brother]] to promptly die..

to:

** Let's not forget Wormtail, though his death was case of Doubt Equals Death along with HoistByHisOwnPetard. [[spoiler:When he refrains from killing Harry, his silver hand promptly chokes him to death.]]
** There's also a subversion later on in the same book. Near the climax, [[spoiler:Percy]] finally comes back to the good side, only for [[spoiler:his brother]] to promptly die..die.



** How can you not forget their predecessors [[Series/KyoryuSentaiZyuranger Burai]] and [[Series/BakuryuuSentaiAbaranger Mikoto]], while both joined earlier, both died? Ironically, both of them come from dinosaur-themed Sentai teams. One not so epically while the other did the same HeroicSacrifice to prevent the CriticalExistenceFailure from blowing up and killing everybody.
*** It tends to vary in Sentai. Some like [[Series/ChoujuuSentaiLiveman Liveman]] and [[Series/ChoujinSentaiJetman Jetman]] have any sympathetic bad guys still tragically killed regardless while others like [[Series/DengekiSentaiChangeman Changeman]] have quite a few baddies defecting to Changeman's side and surviving the series.
*** It is more on the fact that every "evil ranger" whom redeemed themselves had to die, while they come back for the Crossover, most remained KilledOffForReal. The only time an Evil Ranger didn't died permanently was DisappearedDad [[Series/MahouSentaiMagiranger Isamu]] since apparently killing off the father in a show about the bonds of family would have been too much.



** Don't forget about [[spoiler: poor Danny Darrow. He dies and was also brought back in the new timeline]].
2nd Mar '16 9:49:44 PM FordPrefect
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. Depending on which version of the story you believe the Chaos gods possessing Horus abandon him as soon as the tables turn during his final battle with the Emperor. Realising what he has done, Horus begs the Emperor to forgive him for his betrayal. The Emperor does so, then kills Horus to prevent him from being possessed again.

to:

* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. Depending on which version of the story you believe believe, the Chaos gods possessing Horus abandon him as soon as the tables turn during his final battle with the Emperor. Realising what he has done, Horus begs the Emperor to forgive him for his betrayal. The Emperor does so, then kills Horus to prevent him from being possessed again.
This list shows the last 10 events of 286. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.RedemptionEqualsDeath