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11th Jul '17 10:11:23 AM gb00393
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** Whilst they start off winning a few series of victories against the Tullys when led by Jaime, the Lannister army starts to lose battles and suffers staggering losses in each engagement once Robb Stark enters the fray. For example, that huge force Tywin musters to pillage the Riverlands? Precisely half of it is destroyed when Robb defeats and captures Jaime. The replacement army at Oxcross? Robb destroys that one, too. By the end of Season 3, Tywin has given up trying to beat Robb conventionally, and does so by playing to his own strengths: politics and intrigue.
27th May '17 12:59:41 AM Chabal2
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** It's been joked that the PDF is the Redshirt Army for the Redshirt Army. Hardly surprising, considering manpower is the only resource the Imperium has in excess.

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** It's been joked that the PDF is the Redshirt Army for the Redshirt Army. Hardly surprising, considering manpower is the only resource the Imperium has in excess.excess, with their commanding officers even more inept than the Guard's, and often inbred UpperClassTwits to boot.


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** In light of the above, what prevents Guardsmen from deserting first chance they get? The local {{commissar}}, who will be happy to reinforce morale, stiffen resolve, remove dissenters and punish heresy in a single *BLAM*. In ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar'', you don't even need to wait for a squad to be demoralized to use the commissar's Execute ability, as using it straight off the bat prevents morale damage and increases attack speed in surrounding squads. That's right: in 40K, the RedShirts sometimes die before even seeing battle.
7th May '17 9:36:58 AM nombretomado
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* Averted hardcore in the ''Franchise/TransformersFilmSeries''. When the special forces unit calls in the cavalry, the cavalry actually manages to kill or drive off the giant alien robots. They're even more effective in the sequel, managing to support a handful of Autobots in holding off a small army of Decepticons. There are cases when it's played straight. The first scene after the introduction has a US military base completely wiped out by a ''single'' Decepticon. The beginning of the sequel also shows many human NEST soldiers being killed off-hand. It's really the extensive training in killing Cybertronians that the soldiers receive from Autobots that allows them to hold their own (despite massive casualties) in the second and third films.

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* Averted hardcore in the ''Franchise/TransformersFilmSeries''.''Film/TransformersFilmSeries''. When the special forces unit calls in the cavalry, the cavalry actually manages to kill or drive off the giant alien robots. They're even more effective in the sequel, managing to support a handful of Autobots in holding off a small army of Decepticons. There are cases when it's played straight. The first scene after the introduction has a US military base completely wiped out by a ''single'' Decepticon. The beginning of the sequel also shows many human NEST soldiers being killed off-hand. It's really the extensive training in killing Cybertronians that the soldiers receive from Autobots that allows them to hold their own (despite massive casualties) in the second and third films.
7th Mar '17 2:32:22 PM Occidensill
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* Most of the characters from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' are in one. Military training is essentially designed to weed out the weaker, less skilled, and less determined of the bunch by being [[TheSpartanWay physically and psychologically grueling]], but even the hardy recruits who manage to graduate can easily die in battle against the Titans. The manga has LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters mostly because it's quick to kill them off and introduce others.

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* Most of the characters from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' are in one. Military training is essentially designed to weed out the weaker, less skilled, and less determined of the bunch by being [[TheSpartanWay physically and psychologically grueling]], but even the hardy recruits who manage to graduate can easily die in battle against the Titans. The manga has LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters mostly because it's quick to kill them off LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters, but after the front line troops in the Survey Corps suffer several high casualty events, the ''only'' survivors of the final engagement are the main characters and introduce others.one random guy.
21st Feb '17 9:59:13 AM gb00393
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** In season 5 the Unsullied, stated repeatedly of being the best army in the world, are turning into this.

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** In season 5 the Unsullied, stated repeatedly of being the best army in the world, are turning into this. They have seemingly forgotten their basic training of forming up shoulder to shoulder into a shield wall and seem to be no more skilled man-to-man than a group of rebel Meereenese.


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** The Night's Watch is composed mostly of thieves and murderers who join to avoid their punishments. The rest of the kingdom forgets about them as they freeze and fight.
** Robb's diversionary army is seen as completely expendable ''in-universe''.
3rd Jan '17 3:32:04 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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Please note: this Trope is actually ''very'' inaccurate [[RealityIsUnrealistic when you compare it to]] RealLife. If you were to watch ''every'' episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', count the number of casualties that the ''Enterprise'' had, and then compare that to an actual military, you'd see that Kirk's record as a leader in this regard is ''excellent'', far better than any general in U.S. history. Even war heroes like UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington and UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower had proportionately more casualties among their troops.[[note]]It has been suggested that it would be more appropriate to compare Kirk's casualty rate to units on exploratory, rather than combat, missions. It must be remembered that the Enterprise under Kirk's command participated in multiple combat missions against warships with superior weaponry (such as in the episodes [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Balance_of_Terror_(episode) "Balance of Terror"]] and [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doomsday_Machine_(episode) "The Doomsday Machine"]] to name a few. [[/note]]

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Please note: this Trope is actually ''very'' inaccurate [[RealityIsUnrealistic when you compare it to]] RealLife. If you were to watch ''every'' episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', count the number of casualties that the ''Enterprise'' had, and then compare that to an actual military, you'd see that Kirk's record as a leader in this regard is ''excellent'', far better than any general in U.S. history. Even war heroes like UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington and UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower had proportionately more casualties among their troops.[[note]]It has been suggested that it would be more appropriate to compare Kirk's casualty rate to units on exploratory, rather than combat, missions. It must be remembered that the Enterprise under Kirk's command participated in multiple combat missions against warships with superior weaponry (such as in the episodes [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Balance_of_Terror_(episode) "Balance of Terror"]] and [[http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Doomsday_Machine_(episode) "The Doomsday Machine"]] to name a few. few).[[/note]]
4th Dec '16 8:17:23 AM upupandaway42
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* The US military in Film/ManOfSteel. They're actually competant, just massively, ''massively'' outmatched by their Kryptonian opponants, a bunch of [[NighInvulnerability invunerable]] soldiers with SuperStrength, SuperSpeed and highly advanced weaponry and technology.

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* The US military in Film/ManOfSteel.''Film/ManOfSteel''. They're actually competant, just massively, ''massively'' outmatched by their Kryptonian opponants, a bunch of [[NighInvulnerability invunerable]] soldiers with SuperStrength, SuperSpeed and highly advanced weaponry and technology.
4th Dec '16 8:15:58 AM upupandaway42
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* The US military in Film/ManOfSteel. They're actually competant, just massively, ''massively'' outmatched by their Kryptonian opponants, a bunch of [[NighInvulnerability invunerable]] soldiers with SuperStrength, SuperSpeed and highly advanced weaponry and technology.
1st Nov '16 10:43:17 PM dvx105
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** And it happens yet again in ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', when many of the Resistance fighters are easily wiped out while attacking Starkiller Base.


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* ''Series/{{Supergirl}}'': In numerous episodes, the heroes will be accompanied into battle by various DEO agents. Chances are, they won't last long.
30th Oct '16 5:33:39 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Anime/MazingerZ'': In the last Creator/GoNagai manga arc, the Japanese army created the Mazinger army -a squad of mass-production, piloted Mazingers- to try and defeat BigBad Dr. Hell once and for all. However, as Kouji was performing test flights with the [[MidSeasonUpgrade Jet Scrander]], Dr. Hell threw a ''massive'' attack involving several mobile fortresses and several dozens of [[{{Robeast}} Mechanical Beasts]]. Main character, {{Love Interest|s}} and BattleCouple Sayaka Yumi and the Mazinger army flew to meet the Hell's army. The entire army but one got annihilated, and you will never guess who was the single survivor. [[spoiler:Sayaka.]] The Mazinger army reappeared in ''Anime/{{Mazinkaiser}}'', and all of them were quickly destroyed and killed by the Mykene empire army. Only ''[[Anime/GreatMazinger Tetsuya and Jun]]'' survived, and only [[{{Badass}} Tetsuya]] put out a good, actual fight.

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* ''Anime/MazingerZ'': In the last Creator/GoNagai manga arc, the Japanese army created the Mazinger army -a squad of mass-production, piloted Mazingers- to try and defeat BigBad Dr. Hell once and for all. However, as Kouji was performing test flights with the [[MidSeasonUpgrade Jet Scrander]], Dr. Hell threw a ''massive'' attack involving several mobile fortresses and several dozens of [[{{Robeast}} Mechanical Beasts]]. Main character, {{Love Interest|s}} and BattleCouple Sayaka Yumi and the Mazinger army flew to meet the Hell's army. The entire army but one got annihilated, and you will never guess who was the single survivor. [[spoiler:Sayaka.]] The Mazinger army reappeared in ''Anime/{{Mazinkaiser}}'', and all of them were quickly destroyed and killed by the Mykene empire army. Only ''[[Anime/GreatMazinger Tetsuya and Jun]]'' survived, and only [[{{Badass}} Tetsuya]] Tetsuya put out a good, actual fight.



** An exception to the above is ''Film/HotFuzz'', in which the ''uniformed'' officer is the {{badass}} {{action hero}}es and the ''detectives'' are the incompetent boobs. Doubly averted when, in the big climactic fight, the detectives prove that they're just as competent as the next man if you load them up and give them riot gear.

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** An exception to the above is ''Film/HotFuzz'', in which the ''uniformed'' officer is the {{badass}} badass {{action hero}}es and the ''detectives'' are the incompetent boobs. Doubly averted when, in the big climactic fight, the detectives prove that they're just as competent as the next man if you load them up and give them riot gear.



* The Gotham Police Department in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' fits under this, if only due to their body count, even though they actually prove to be ''quite'' competent -- especially at the end of the movie, when the SWAT teams storm the building. The only problem is that "competent" just doesn't cut it with someone as CrazyPrepared as the Joker and {{badass}} as Batman. Almost subverted with the faceless police van driver, except [[spoiler:it turns out to be Gordon]]. Their competence becomes clear once Batman made it clear who they are supposed to target. We are given shots of [=SWATs=] knocking out and suppressing Joker's henchmen with ease.

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* The Gotham Police Department in ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' fits under this, if only due to their body count, even though they actually prove to be ''quite'' competent -- especially at the end of the movie, when the SWAT teams storm the building. The only problem is that "competent" just doesn't cut it with someone as CrazyPrepared as the Joker and {{badass}} badass as Batman. Almost subverted with the faceless police van driver, except [[spoiler:it turns out to be Gordon]]. Their competence becomes clear once Batman made it clear who they are supposed to target. We are given shots of [=SWATs=] knocking out and suppressing Joker's henchmen with ease.
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