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* This was a big criticism of ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}''. While not quite new universes, every new region seems to reset Pikachu's (and sometimes Ash's other pokemon's) power to a lower level so Ash can have fair fights with newbie trainers even though Pikachu should have been a Curb-Stomping level 99 long ago.
13th Apr '17 4:03:50 PM DarkPhoenix94
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** Marvel have been countering this by making their heavyweights, such as ComicBook/TheMightyThor, who was already roughly equal to Superman at the time of JLA/Avengers, and ComicBook/{{Magneto}} (who can now do things like pull Kitty Pryde out of planet destroying bullets and easily fly decommissioned aircraft carriers from San Diego to San Francisco, then drop them on human sized objects with pinpoint accuracy) even stronger, making them smarter, in the case of the Green Scar personality of the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk creating new heavyweights (ComicBook/TheSentry, who puts even a souped up Thor to shame and even while weakened, stalemated Green Scar, and [[TheChosenOne Hope Summers]], who, under the right circumstances, could take the entire JLA at full power). Another appropriate point is that most of Marvel's hyperweight characters tend to be in their cosmic stable, which stays a long way away from Earth on most occasions, meaning they don't get involved in intercontinuity crossovers.

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** Marvel have been countering this by making their heavyweights, such as ComicBook/TheMightyThor, who was already roughly equal to Superman at the time of JLA/Avengers, and ComicBook/{{Magneto}} (who can now do things like pull Kitty Pryde out of planet destroying bullets from light years away and easily fly decommissioned aircraft carriers from San Diego to San Francisco, then drop them on human sized objects with pinpoint accuracy) even stronger, stronger. Moreover, they're making them smarter, in the case of the Green Scar personality of the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk ComicBook/IncredibleHulk. And they're creating new heavyweights (ComicBook/TheSentry, (e.g. ComicBook/TheSentry, who puts even a souped up Thor to shame and even while weakened, stalemated Green Scar, Scar), and [[TheChosenOne Hope Summers]], who, under the right circumstances, could take the entire JLA at full power). power.
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Another appropriate point is that most of Marvel's hyperweight characters tend to be in their cosmic stable, which usually stays a long way away from Earth on most occasions, Earth, meaning they don't get involved in intercontinuity crossovers.crossovers, or tend to be psychics (who are particularly vulnerable to this trope).



*** Two crossover battles shown between ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and Franchise/TheFlash were played for the jokes that they were. The only times Quicksilver was able to land a punch were when The Flash turned his back to help innocents and, in the later crossover, when The Flash encountered Quicksilver in the Marvel universe (which apparently has no Speed Force). Sadly, if they had just done the first fight a few years sooner, it would have been an even match (Wally's speed was dropped to Quicksilver level in the years immediately following ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'').
*** There was actually a ShoutOut to the enormous disparity in an issue of ''ComicBook/{{Quasar}}''. A cosmic entity had gathered Earth's super-speedsters for a race from Earth to the Moon. At the last minute, ''all'' the contestants got blown past by [[Franchise/TheFlash an amnesiac man in a tattered red-and-yellow costume]]. (This was back when Barry Allen was still dead, after the ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''.)

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*** Two crossover battles shown between ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}} and Franchise/TheFlash were played for the jokes that they were. The only times Quicksilver was able to land a punch were when The Flash turned his back to help innocents and, in the later crossover, when The Flash encountered Quicksilver in the Marvel universe (which apparently has no Speed Force). Force) and a gleeful Quicksilver thrashed him. Sadly, if they had just done the first fight a few years sooner, sooner or a few years later, it would have been an even match (Wally's speed was dropped to Quicksilver level in the years immediately following ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'').
''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'', and during ''ComicBook/Siege'', Quicksilver was outrunning radio signals, meaning that he was going FTL).
*** There was actually a ShoutOut to the enormous disparity in an issue of ''ComicBook/{{Quasar}}''. A cosmic entity had gathered Earth's super-speedsters for a race from Earth to the Moon. At the last minute, ''all'' the contestants got blown past by [[Franchise/TheFlash an amnesiac man in a tattered red-and-yellow costume]].costume]] who's garbled name is given as 'Buried Alien'. It was, all in all, a rather sweet tribute to Barry - though [[TheRival Marvel being Marvel]], they also snuck in a jab at DC's then new Post Crisis continuity with 'Buried Alien' saying that he didn't really like what little he remembered of what was going on in his own world. (This was back when Barry Allen was still dead, after the ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths''.)



* In one issue of ''Amazing Spider-Man'', Franchise/SpiderMan, who's strong (lifts ten tons) but not one of the big hitters of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse, beat the ''cosmically'' powerful Firelord in a hand-to-hand duel. On comic boards this trope is often named Spider-man vs the Firelord. Then again, when Spider-Man fights ComicBook/SilverSurfer, he tends to smack him around pretty well. He often fights beyond his limits. The same can be said for the likes of ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} or ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as well. Sometimes, WolverinePublicity does that with characters who are popular but not very powerful. Similarly, a comic depicted Miles Morales beating Blackheart to a pulp. As in, the guy who is only a step or two below Mephisto. For further reference, Blackheart beat Toxin to death rather easily, and Toxin in turn can defeat Venom and Carnage at the same time while Spider-Man is hard-pressed to even survive against one of those.

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* In one issue of ''Amazing Spider-Man'', Franchise/SpiderMan, who's strong (lifts ten tons) thirty tons at his peak) but not one of the big hitters of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse, beat the ''cosmically'' powerful Firelord in a hand-to-hand duel. On comic boards this trope is often named Spider-man vs the Firelord. Then again, when Spider-Man fights ComicBook/SilverSurfer, he tends to smack him around pretty well. He often fights beyond his limits. The same can be said for the likes of ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} or ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as well. Sometimes, WolverinePublicity does that with characters who are popular but not very powerful. Similarly, a comic depicted Miles Morales beating Blackheart to a pulp. As in, the guy who is only a step or two below Mephisto. For further reference, Blackheart beat Toxin to death rather easily, and Toxin in turn can defeat Venom and Carnage at the same time while Spider-Man is hard-pressed to even survive against one of those.



** This happens a lot to Spider-Man. In preparation for ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', he had "''The Other''" story arc, which tied his powers to a mystical spider-totem. This gave him a major attribute boost and several new powers, ranging from enough speed and strength to catch bullets to spike weapons which protruded from his arms. [[spoiler:This was done so that when he became a fugitive at the end of ''Civil War'', he could feasibly fight off (and beat) more powerful heroes like Iron Man.]] Unfortunately, nobody bothered using Spider-Man's upgrades from "''The Other''" except Creator/PeterDavid so the storyline might as well not have happened. The only aspect of the story that anyone else bothered using was the Iron Spider costume.

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** This happens a lot to Spider-Man. In preparation for ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', he had "''The Other''" story arc, which tied his powers to a mystical spider-totem. This gave him a major attribute boost and several new powers, ranging from enough speed and strength to catch bullets to spike weapons which protruded from his arms. [[spoiler:This was done so that when he became a fugitive at the end of ''Civil War'', he could feasibly fight off (and beat) more powerful heroes like Iron Man.]] Unfortunately, nobody bothered using Spider-Man's upgrades from "''The Other''" except Creator/PeterDavid (and Chris Yost during his ''ComicBook/ScarletSpider'' run) so the storyline might as well not have happened. The only aspect of the story that anyone else bothered using was the Iron Spider costume.



** One panel shows a quick gag of DC's [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] and Marvel's ComicBook/CaptainMarVell switching off against their respective adversary, with Marvel punching out Ronan the Accuser while Mar-Vell punches out ComicBook/BlackAdam. Captain Marvel taking down Ronan is pretty believable, but Mar-Vell's level of super strength is around the same level as Spider-Man's (he has other powers, but he was only punching in that panel), while Black Adam is one of the strongest villains in the DCU, having taken down Superman-level characters. Then again, RuleOfFunny.
** The finale worked with this by having the JLA's [[TheCape cape]], Superman, fighting on the front lines wielding Thor's hammer and Captain America's shield, while the Avenger's [[TheCape cape]] Captain America himself, used his tactical skills to direct everyone else in the battle, allowing him to contribute without trying to handwave the fact that he's nowhere near Superman levels of power. This was also played with earlier when, [[LetsYouAndHimFight the two teams were fighting each other]]; Cap was pitted against Batman who he is much more evenly matched with.

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** One panel shows a quick gag of DC's [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Captain Marvel]] and Marvel's ComicBook/CaptainMarVell switching off against their respective adversary, with Marvel punching out Ronan the Accuser while Mar-Vell punches out ComicBook/BlackAdam. Captain Marvel taking down Ronan is pretty believable, but Mar-Vell's level of super strength is supposedly around the same level as Spider-Man's (he Spider-Man's, though he has shown a great deal more strength than that - though even so, he's not on par with the Big Red Cheese, and while he has other powers, but he was only punching in that panel), panel, while Black Adam is one of the strongest villains in the DCU, having taken down Superman-level characters. Then again, RuleOfFunny.
** The finale worked with this by having the JLA's [[TheCape cape]], Superman, fighting on the front lines wielding Thor's hammer and Captain America's shield, while the Avenger's [[TheCape cape]] Captain America himself, used his tactical skills to direct everyone else in the battle, allowing him to contribute without trying to handwave the fact that he's nowhere near Superman levels of power. This was also played with earlier when, [[LetsYouAndHimFight the two teams were fighting each other]]; Cap was pitted against Batman who he is much more evenly matched with.with (Batman grudgingly conceded, after the two tested each other, that while they were matched for skill, Cap's enhanced physique would give him the advantage in a prolonged fight).



** In 2002, it was announced that there was a ''Batman Vs. Superman'' film in the works (like most Superman-related projects, it ultimately ended up in DevelopmentHell and was abandoned), which provoked great uproar in the fan community about the inherently one-sided nature of such a conflict. Conan O'Brien put it best, saying "Superman is, well, ''Superman''. He can fly, lift cars, shoot lasers from his eyes, go back in time, all that. Batman... Batman works out a lot." Though in that script, Batman used his CrazyPrepared-ness intelligently, with Kryptonite armor and arrows, and a sonic whistle to paralyze Superman due to the latter's super-hearing. Though in the ''ComicBook/BatmanHush'' comic books, Batman DOES wind up fighting the Man of Steel, who is under Poison Ivy's control due to kryptonite added to her mind-control lipstick. He still might have little chance in a straight fight, but in that story, he does manage to fight off Superman long enough to break him out of the trance. At one point, Batman states that he would have long been dead if Superman hadn't been resisting Ivy's control.

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** In 2002, it was announced that there was a ''Batman Vs. Superman'' film in the works (like most Superman-related projects, it ultimately ended up in DevelopmentHell and was abandoned), which provoked great uproar in the fan community about the inherently one-sided nature of such a conflict. Conan O'Brien put it best, saying "Superman is, well, ''Superman''. He can fly, lift cars, shoot lasers from his eyes, go back in time, all that. Batman... Batman works out a lot." Though in that script, Batman used his CrazyPrepared-ness intelligently, with Kryptonite armor and arrows, and a sonic whistle to paralyze Superman due to the latter's super-hearing. Though in the ''ComicBook/BatmanHush'' comic books, Batman DOES wind up fighting the Man of Steel, who is under Poison Ivy's control due to kryptonite added to her mind-control lipstick. He still might have little chance in a straight fight, fight (and states that his hand would break before Superman's jaw did), but in that story, he does manage to fight off Superman long enough to break him out of the trance. At one point, Batman states that he would have long been dead if Superman hadn't been resisting Ivy's control.
17th Mar '17 7:07:45 PM nombretomado
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* In the NasuVerse, supposedly even the strongest of the Hero Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' are just "1/4th of the power of the vampire Arcueid" from ''{{Tsukihime}}'', according to the writers. However, in the fan CrossOver ''VideoGame/BattleMoonWars'', the Servant Saber gets paired with the maid Kohaku, who proceeds to pump Saber up with all kinds of beneficial [[strike:drugs]] power-ups to equalize things. This is the only one that's really explained however; Hisui the maid can match vampires as well for some reason.

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* In the NasuVerse, {{Franchise/Nasuverse}}, supposedly even the strongest of the Hero Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' are just "1/4th of the power of the vampire Arcueid" from ''{{Tsukihime}}'', according to the writers. However, in the fan CrossOver ''VideoGame/BattleMoonWars'', the Servant Saber gets paired with the maid Kohaku, who proceeds to pump Saber up with all kinds of beneficial [[strike:drugs]] power-ups to equalize things. This is the only one that's really explained however; Hisui the maid can match vampires as well for some reason.
25th Feb '17 12:54:35 PM nombretomado
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* In the NasuVerse, supposedly even the strongest of the Hero Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' are just "1/4th of the power of the vampire Arcueid" from ''{{Tsukihime}}'', according to the writers. However, in the fan CrossOver ''BattleMoonWars'', the Servant Saber gets paired with the maid Kohaku, who proceeds to pump Saber up with all kinds of beneficial [[strike:drugs]] power-ups to equalize things. This is the only one that's really explained however; Hisui the maid can match vampires as well for some reason.

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* In the NasuVerse, supposedly even the strongest of the Hero Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' are just "1/4th of the power of the vampire Arcueid" from ''{{Tsukihime}}'', according to the writers. However, in the fan CrossOver ''BattleMoonWars'', ''VideoGame/BattleMoonWars'', the Servant Saber gets paired with the maid Kohaku, who proceeds to pump Saber up with all kinds of beneficial [[strike:drugs]] power-ups to equalize things. This is the only one that's really explained however; Hisui the maid can match vampires as well for some reason.
18th Feb '17 9:33:15 PM Gesperitia
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** ''Marvel vs. DC'' also had ComicBook/{{Storm}} besting Franchise/WonderWoman. Storm has a greater attack range, so this might have made sense if they hadn't actually shown her shrugging off a punch from Wonder Woman. (For reference, Storm's pretty toned for a being that's just one step above a baseline human, but Wonder Woman wasn't human to begin with.)

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** ''Marvel vs. DC'' also had ComicBook/{{Storm}} besting Franchise/WonderWoman. Storm has a greater attack range, so this might have made sense if they hadn't actually shown her shrugging off a punch from Wonder Woman. (For reference, Storm's pretty toned for a being that's just one step above what is essentially a baseline human, but while Wonder Woman wasn't human to begin with.is more on par with planet-punchers like Superman.)
11th Feb '17 9:53:46 AM SAMAS
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** Those particular examples could be justified due to the differences in scale of the respective settings (Post-Apocalyptic North America vs. Intergalactic Space Opera). But then there's the case of the Cyber-Knights' reintroduction in their own self-titled book, where to keep up with the stuff introduced between the main book and then, Cyber-Knights got bumped to nearly [[Franchise/StarWars Jedi]]-like levels.
*** Another primary cause was the World Books written by CJ Carella, who tended to drift towards the higher MDC counts. This made sense with stuff coming from the milennia-old Space Opera civilizations, less justified when everyone from the southern half of South America could pretty much run roughshod over equivalents from everywhere else in the world for some reason.

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** Those particular examples could be justified due to the differences in scale of the respective settings (Post-Apocalyptic (Post-Post-Apocalyptic North America vs. Intergalactic Space Opera). SpaceOpera). But then there's the case of the Cyber-Knights' reintroduction in their own self-titled book, where to keep up with the stuff introduced between the main book and then, Cyber-Knights got bumped to nearly [[Franchise/StarWars Jedi]]-like levels.
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levels, able to tell whenever a weapon is activated against them, and able to make said technological weapons subtly go off-target.
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Another primary cause was the World Books written by CJ Carella, who tended to drift towards the higher MDC counts. This made sense with stuff coming from the milennia-old millennia-old Space Opera civilizations, less justified when everyone from the southern half of South America could pretty much run roughshod over equivalents from everywhere else in the world for some reason.reason.
** Later books are rolling back on this in some areas, but continue in others. Australia actually reintroduced places where you could conceivably fight S.D.C.(i.e.: normal {{Hit Point}}s)-level combat, but the second Triax book escalates about as much as book where the army says "Enough playing around" would be expected to. The Black Market and Northern Gun books also escalated, but since both factions were behind the curve as it were, the overall effect is more sideways than upwards.
7th Feb '17 12:35:20 AM Vir
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7th Feb '17 12:34:49 AM Vir
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* The ''Manga/OnePiece'' x '' Manga/{{Toriko}}'' x ''Manga/DragonBall'' special, being a crossover special, brings out a truckload of these. Most of these problems are the result of having One Piece and Toriko characters fight along the Post-Buu Saga Dragon Ball cast, when Goku and his allies had already reached insane levels of power in canon.

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* The ''Manga/OnePiece'' x '' Manga/{{Toriko}}'' x ''Manga/DragonBall'' special, being a crossover special, brings out a truckload of these. Most of these problems are the result of having One Piece ''One Piece'' and Toriko ''Toriko'' characters fight along the Post-Buu Saga Dragon Ball ''Dragon Ball'' cast, when Goku and his allies had already reached insane levels of power in canon.



** Toriko is at least catching up to ''Dragon Ball Z'' levels of power now, though its primarily its three strongest characters which have established themselves at Saiyan Saga levels of power. [[spoiler: With Jirou stopping the entire planet for a second with his knocking and Midora's Meteor Spice raining around everywhere.]] One Piece is far behind both in terms of power, with them not even on the level of Saiyan Saga Dragon Ball Z levels.

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** Toriko is at least catching up to ''Dragon Ball Z'' levels of power now, though its it's primarily its three strongest characters which have established themselves at Saiyan Saga levels of power. [[spoiler: With Jirou stopping the entire planet for a second with his knocking and Midora's Meteor Spice raining around everywhere.]] One Piece ''One Piece'' is far behind both in terms of power, with them not even on the level of Saiyan Saga Dragon ''Dragon Ball Z Z'' levels.
30th Jan '17 12:39:49 PM SirPellucidar
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* During the first appearance of the Super-Skrull in the pages of ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', Reed Richards figured out that the alien villain, who had all of the powers of the Fantastic Four, was having his power beamed to him remotely from the Skrull homeworld, based on the reasoning that no single being could inherently have so much power. This was quickly forgotten, however, as far more powerful beings than the Super-Skrull were introduced, and later on said villain's powers did become inherent, not requiring any kind of external power source.
17th Jan '17 6:21:24 PM nombretomado
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* While one could see ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'''s eponymous character matching the other mages in ''MagicalBattleArena'' power-wise, it's a little harder to imagine her being able to take hits as well [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha as renowned members of a multi-dimension spanning police force]] or [[LightNovel/{{Slayers}} veteran adventurers of a fantasy world]] considering how she kinda has the durability of an ordinary elementary school student.

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* While one could see ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'''s eponymous character matching the other mages in ''MagicalBattleArena'' ''VideoGame/MagicalBattleArena'' power-wise, it's a little harder to imagine her being able to take hits as well [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha as renowned members of a multi-dimension spanning police force]] or [[LightNovel/{{Slayers}} veteran adventurers of a fantasy world]] considering how she kinda has the durability of an ordinary elementary school student.
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