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5th Jan '18 5:48:23 AM at_ease_loser
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*** Considering that many of Capcom's characters were made MUCH stronger in order to compensate, this can double as FridgeBrilliance. [[http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Shinku_Hadoken See this comparison]]. For example: In the ''Street Fighter'' games and ''[[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNK2MarkOfTheMillennium Capcom vs. SNK 2]]'', Ryu's Shinku Hadouken is just [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/3/33/RyuCFEShinkuuHadouken.gif/revision/latest?cb=20111127144720 a larger-than-normal Hadouken]]. In the ''Marvel vs. Capcom'' games, it's reimagined as a [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/b/b4/Ryu-bigsuper.gif/revision/latest?cb=20100328045100 massive Kamehameha-style energy beam]].
*** [[UpToEleven It was only done to match with the over-the-top and frantic gameplay]] that has been present since ''VideoGame/XMenChildrenOfTheAtom'', with the exception of ''[[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNKMillenniumFight2000 Capcom]] [[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNK2MarkOfTheMillennium vs.]] [[VideoGame/SNKVsCapcomSVCChaos SNK]]'' and ''VideoGame/StreetFighterXTekken'' (which lack superheroes and play more similar to ''Street Fighter'' or ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'', meaning there's no need for massively beefed-up Hyper Combos). It mainly applies for the ''Street Fighter'' characters, though there are other Capcom characters who benefit, such as [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Wesker]]'s superhuman speed and reflexes being interpreted as [[FlashStep outright teleportation]]. In fact, a very subtle example comes from [[VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}} Morrigan]], whose Soul Fist special move is actually the ES Special variant seen in her home series.

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*** Considering that many of Capcom's characters were made MUCH stronger in order to compensate, this can double as FridgeBrilliance. [[http://streetfighter.wikia.com/wiki/Shinku_Hadoken See this comparison]]. For example: In the ''Street Fighter'' games and ''[[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNK2MarkOfTheMillennium Capcom vs. SNK 2]]'', Ryu's Shinku Hadouken is just [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/3/33/RyuCFEShinkuuHadouken.gif/revision/latest?cb=20111127144720 a larger-than-normal Hadouken]]. In the ''Marvel vs. Capcom'' games, it's reimagined as a [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/b/b4/Ryu-bigsuper.gif/revision/latest?cb=20100328045100 massive Kamehameha-style energy beam]]. \n*** [[UpToEleven It was only done to match with the over-the-top and frantic gameplay]] that has been present since ''VideoGame/XMenChildrenOfTheAtom'', with the exception of ''[[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNKMillenniumFight2000 Capcom]] [[VideoGame/CapcomVsSNK2MarkOfTheMillennium vs.]] [[VideoGame/SNKVsCapcomSVCChaos SNK]]'' and ''VideoGame/StreetFighterXTekken'' (which lack superheroes and play more similar to ''Street Fighter'' or ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'', meaning there's no need for massively beefed-up Hyper Combos). It mainly applies for the ''Street Fighter'' characters, though there There are other Capcom characters who benefit, such as [[Franchise/ResidentEvil Wesker]]'s superhuman speed and reflexes being interpreted as [[FlashStep outright teleportation]]. In fact, a very subtle example comes from [[VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}} Morrigan]], whose Soul Fist special move is actually the ES Special variant seen in her home series.
27th Dec '17 9:19:01 AM SolidSonicTH
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->'''ComicBook/{{Thanos}}''': ''You dare defy [[PhysicalGod ME]]?''

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->'''ComicBook/{{Thanos}}''': ''You dare defy [[PhysicalGod [[OmnicidalManiac ME]]?''
27th Dec '17 9:16:53 AM SolidSonicTH
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->'''ComicBook/{{Thanos}}''': ''You dare defy ME?''

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->'''ComicBook/{{Thanos}}''': ''You dare defy ME?''[[PhysicalGod ME]]?''



->'''[[VideoGame/DeadRising Frank West]]''': ''Whoa whoa whoa -- you want me to go up against HIM? He's gonna kill me!''

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->'''[[VideoGame/DeadRising Frank West]]''': ''Whoa whoa whoa -- you [[PoweredArmor you]] want me [[ActionSurvivor me]] to go up against HIM? He's gonna kill me!''
24th Dec '17 4:58:31 AM jormis29
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* Any ''Franchise/StarWars'' game starring a Jedi will usually have a bit of this out of necessity. Lightsabers usually require multiple hits to kill or defeat an opponent, and {{mooks}} who could be defeated in about half a second in the movies are usually much more dangerous. ''Star Wars: Masters of Teräs Käsi'', a ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' clone from TheNineties, probably has one of the strongest examples of this. Since this was a FightingGame, it was entirely possible for characters like Chewbacca, Han and even ''a Stormtrooper'' to defeat people like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in one-on-one combat.

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* Any ''Franchise/StarWars'' game starring a Jedi will usually have a bit of this out of necessity. Lightsabers usually require multiple hits to kill or defeat an opponent, and {{mooks}} who could be defeated in about half a second in the movies are usually much more dangerous. ''Star Wars: Masters of Teräs Käsi'', ''VideoGame/StarWarsMastersOfTerasKasi'', a ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' clone from TheNineties, probably has one of the strongest examples of this. Since this was a FightingGame, it was entirely possible for characters like Chewbacca, Han and even ''a Stormtrooper'' to defeat people like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in one-on-one combat.
19th Dec '17 7:04:15 PM SolidSonicTH
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** By ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'' you've got characters on the low end of the power scale like Krillin or Yamcha dueling with {{Physical God}}s the likes of Beerus and Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black. Even characters who outclassed the Z Warriors in their heyday, such as Nappa, are able to take on foes who far outpace them by the standards of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' (such as Super Saiyan Blue characters Goku and Vegeta). The developers sought to downplay this discrepancy in PowerLevels by making the canonically weaker characters more useful in support roles as opposed to direct combat.

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** By ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'' you've got characters on the low end of the power scale like Krillin or Yamcha dueling with {{Physical God}}s the likes of Beerus and Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black. Even characters who outclassed the Z Warriors in their heyday, such as Nappa, are able to take on foes who far outpace them by the standards of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' (such as Super Saiyan Blue characters Goku and Vegeta). The developers sought to downplay this discrepancy in PowerLevels by making the canonically weaker characters more useful in support roles as opposed to direct combat.
19th Dec '17 7:03:23 PM SolidSonicTH
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** By ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'' you've got characters on the low end of the power scale like Krillin or Yamcha dueling with {{Physical God}}s the likes of Beerus and Goku Black. Even characters who outclassed the Z Warriors in their heyday, such as Nappa, are able to take on foes who far outpace them by the standards of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' (such as Super Saiyan Blue characters Goku and Vegeta). The developers sought to downplay this discrepancy in PowerLevels by making the canonically weaker characters more useful in support roles as opposed to direct combat.

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** By ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'' you've got characters on the low end of the power scale like Krillin or Yamcha dueling with {{Physical God}}s the likes of Beerus and Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black. Even characters who outclassed the Z Warriors in their heyday, such as Nappa, are able to take on foes who far outpace them by the standards of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' (such as Super Saiyan Blue characters Goku and Vegeta). The developers sought to downplay this discrepancy in PowerLevels by making the canonically weaker characters more useful in support roles as opposed to direct combat.
19th Dec '17 7:02:38 PM SolidSonicTH
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** By ''VideoGame/DragonballFighterz'' you've got characters on the low end of the power scale like Krillin or Yamcha dueling with {{Physical God}}s the likes of Beerus and Goku Black. Even characters who outclassed the Z Warriors in their heyday, such as Nappa, are able to take on foes who far outpace them by the standards of ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' (such as Super Saiyan Blue characters Goku and Vegeta). The developers sought to downplay this discrepancy in PowerLevels by making the canonically weaker characters more useful in support roles as opposed to direct combat.
11th Dec '17 10:16:40 AM fractured
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** ''VideoGame/AnotherCenturysEpisode 3'' takes a nerf bat to the Shin Getter Robo, again out of pure necessity. However, it's still pretty well in line with how ''SRW'' depicts Super Robots compared to Reals (namely, [[MightyGlacier big and slow, but heavily armored and super-strong]]). On the other hand, they left the Anime/OvermanKingGainer units alone.

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** ''VideoGame/AnotherCenturysEpisode 3'' takes a nerf bat to the Shin Getter Robo, again out of pure necessity. However, it's still pretty well in line with how ''SRW'' depicts Super Robots compared to Reals (namely, [[MightyGlacier big and slow, but heavily armored and super-strong]]). To give you an idea of just how nerfed Shin Getter robo was; on his test flight it was able to nearly reach the speed of light. On the other hand, they left the Anime/OvermanKingGainer units alone.
5th Dec '17 8:23:37 PM merotoker
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->'''[[VideoGame/DeadRising Frank West]]''': ''Whoa whoa whoa -- you want [[BadassNormal me]] to go up against [[PhysicalGod HIM?]] He's gonna kill me!''

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->'''[[VideoGame/DeadRising Frank West]]''': ''Whoa whoa whoa -- you want [[BadassNormal me]] me to go up against [[PhysicalGod HIM?]] HIM? He's gonna kill me!''



** One notorious example of this happened in the Marvel versus DC crossover, where [[PopularityPower based on a fan poll]], ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} beat Lobo. As Wolverine had bone claws at the time while Lobo is as powerful as Superman, this should have been impossible. The comic sidestepped the problems by [[TakeOurWordForIt not showing the battle]] -- in fact the whole thing was less than a page, from the introduction of Lobo to Wolvie standing and dusting off his hands. And all the fighting happened ''behind a bar''. It was later [[HandWave implied]] in Lobo's own comic that the Main Man was paid under the table to throw the fight.

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** One notorious example of this happened in the Marvel versus DC crossover, where [[PopularityPower based on a fan poll]], ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Franchise/{{Wolverine}} beat Lobo. As Wolverine had bone claws at the time while Lobo is as powerful as Superman, this should have been impossible. The comic sidestepped the problems by [[TakeOurWordForIt not showing the battle]] -- in fact the whole thing was less than a page, from the introduction of Lobo to Wolvie standing and dusting off his hands. And all the fighting happened ''behind a bar''. It was later [[HandWave implied]] in Lobo's own comic that the Main Man was paid under the table to throw the fight.



* In one issue of ''Amazing Spider-Man'', Franchise/SpiderMan, who's strong (lifts thirty tons at his peak) but not one of the big hitters of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse, beat the ''cosmically'' powerful Firelord in a hand-to-hand duel. On comic boards this trope is often named Spider-man vs the Firelord. Then again, when Spider-Man fights ComicBook/SilverSurfer, he tends to smack him around pretty well. He often fights beyond his limits. The same can be said for the likes of ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} or ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as well. Sometimes, WolverinePublicity does that with characters who are popular but not very powerful. Similarly, a comic depicted Miles Morales beating Blackheart to a pulp. As in, the guy who is only a step or two below Mephisto. For further reference, Blackheart beat Toxin to death rather easily, and Toxin in turn can defeat Venom and Carnage at the same time while Spider-Man is hard-pressed to even survive against one of those.

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* In one issue of ''Amazing Spider-Man'', Franchise/SpiderMan, who's strong (lifts thirty tons at his peak) but not one of the big hitters of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse, beat the ''cosmically'' powerful Firelord in a hand-to-hand duel. On comic boards this trope is often named Spider-man vs the Firelord. Then again, when Spider-Man fights ComicBook/SilverSurfer, he tends to smack him around pretty well. He often fights beyond his limits. The same can be said for the likes of ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Franchise/{{Wolverine}} or ComicBook/CaptainAmerica as well. Sometimes, WolverinePublicity does that with characters who are popular but not very powerful. Similarly, a comic depicted Miles Morales beating Blackheart to a pulp. As in, the guy who is only a step or two below Mephisto. For further reference, Blackheart beat Toxin to death rather easily, and Toxin in turn can defeat Venom and Carnage at the same time while Spider-Man is hard-pressed to even survive against one of those.



** This happened again during the Transformers' crossover with the Comicbook/NewAvengers. Heroes like ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/TheFalcon were regulated to distractions or rescue work, while Comicbook/IronMan used a HumongousMecha, to just blast Megatron with his normal repulsors after his Mecha got destroyed.

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** This happened again during the Transformers' crossover with the Comicbook/NewAvengers. Heroes like ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} Franchise/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/TheFalcon were regulated to distractions or rescue work, while Comicbook/IronMan used a HumongousMecha, to just blast Megatron with his normal repulsors after his Mecha got destroyed.



* ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers''

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* ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers'' ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers'':



* An interesting example is Hank [=McCoy=], aka The Beast. If you pick up a comic in which he is in the ComicBook/XMen, the writers tend to focus mostly on his intellect while his actual powers are secondary. When he was a member of ComicBook/TheAvengers, his strength and agility were the main focus and his intellect was rarely brought up. This was because the Avengers had plenty of geniuses: [[Comicbook/AntMan Hank Pym]], ComicBook/IronMan, ComicBook/TheVision, ComicBook/BlackPanther, etc. and didn't need another. [=McCoy=] was a LightningBruiser so his abilities were bumped up to the point where he was nearly as strong as ComicBook/IronMan and could move so fast that ComicBook/CaptainAmerica had trouble following him. When he went back to the X-Men, there were already a couple strongmen (Colossus and ComicBook/{{Rogue}}) and agile people (ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}}, ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, ComicBook/{{Longshot}}, etc.). Even his animalistic nature was covered by ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}. They didn't have any geniuses, though, so Beast became TheSmartGuy nearly on the level of [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]].

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* An interesting example is Hank [=McCoy=], aka The Beast. If you pick up a comic in which he is in the ComicBook/XMen, the writers tend to focus mostly on his intellect while his actual powers are secondary. When he was a member of ComicBook/TheAvengers, his strength and agility were the main focus and his intellect was rarely brought up. This was because the Avengers had plenty of geniuses: [[Comicbook/AntMan Hank Pym]], ComicBook/IronMan, ComicBook/TheVision, ComicBook/BlackPanther, etc. and didn't need another. [=McCoy=] was a LightningBruiser so his abilities were bumped up to the point where he was nearly as strong as ComicBook/IronMan and could move so fast that ComicBook/CaptainAmerica had trouble following him. When he went back to the X-Men, there were already a couple strongmen (Colossus and ComicBook/{{Rogue}}) and agile people (ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}}, ComicBook/{{Gambit}}, ComicBook/{{Longshot}}, etc.). Even his animalistic nature was covered by ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}.Franchise/{{Wolverine}}. They didn't have any geniuses, though, so Beast became TheSmartGuy nearly on the level of [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]].



* The effectiveness of ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s HealingFactor has been subject to this. Originally, severe enough injuries could still put him out of action for a couple days or weeks, but he still healed faster than anyone. Now, he can bounce back from being practically burned down to his skeleton within a matter of hours (if not ''minutes''), and it's been established that his healing factor extends to slowing down his aging, allowing him to live well past the age of 150. Then again, ''ComicBook/DaysOfFuturePast'' (written [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness back in 1980]]) showed him aging realistically, and even being killed in a future WhatIf scenario after taking a laser beam to the face from a Sentinel. His solo book once tried to rectify the inconsistencies by establishing that his rate of healing can be affected by the seriousness of his injuries; if he suffers too many injuries, it slows down accordingly. Part of this was due to a storyline where the toxic adamantium was stripped from his bones, meaning that for a couple years, his healing was now uninhibited and he could regenerate pretty much anything, at the cost of his invincible bones and [[AbsurdlySharpBlade cut-anything claws]]. Then [[StatusQuoIsGod the adamantium was added back in]], but by that point writers had gotten used to writing him healing at that level and didn't adjust it back down.

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* The effectiveness of ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s Franchise/{{Wolverine}}'s HealingFactor has been subject to this. Originally, severe enough injuries could still put him out of action for a couple days or weeks, but he still healed faster than anyone. Now, he can bounce back from being practically burned down to his skeleton within a matter of hours (if not ''minutes''), and it's been established that his healing factor extends to slowing down his aging, allowing him to live well past the age of 150. Then again, ''ComicBook/DaysOfFuturePast'' (written [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness back in 1980]]) showed him aging realistically, and even being killed in a future WhatIf scenario after taking a laser beam to the face from a Sentinel. His solo book once tried to rectify the inconsistencies by establishing that his rate of healing can be affected by the seriousness of his injuries; if he suffers too many injuries, it slows down accordingly. Part of this was due to a storyline where the toxic adamantium was stripped from his bones, meaning that for a couple years, his healing was now uninhibited and he could regenerate pretty much anything, at the cost of his invincible bones and [[AbsurdlySharpBlade cut-anything claws]]. Then [[StatusQuoIsGod the adamantium was added back in]], but by that point writers had gotten used to writing him healing at that level and didn't adjust it back down.



* In ''Fanfic/TheSwarmOfWar'', when the Imperium encounters the Zerg for the first time, they are much easier to dispatch than one would expect from the earlier chapters. [[spoiler:Thatís because itís a LostColony which lacks some of the upgrades]].

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* In ''Fanfic/TheSwarmOfWar'', when the Imperium encounters the Zerg for the first time, they are much easier to dispatch than one would expect from the earlier chapters. [[spoiler:Thatís because itís a LostColony which lacks some of the upgrades]].upgrades.]]



* ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator''

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* ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator''''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'':



* Any ''Franchise/StarWars'' game starring a Jedi will usually have a bit of this out of necessity. Lightsabers usually require multiple hits to kill or defeat an opponent, and {{Mook}}s who could be defeated in about half a second in the movies are usually much more dangerous. ''Star Wars: Masters of Teräs Käsi'', a ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' clone from TheNineties, probably has one of the strongest examples of this. Since this was a FightingGame, it was entirely possible for characters like Chewbacca, Han and even ''a Stormtrooper'' to defeat people like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in one-on-one combat.

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* Any ''Franchise/StarWars'' game starring a Jedi will usually have a bit of this out of necessity. Lightsabers usually require multiple hits to kill or defeat an opponent, and {{Mook}}s {{mooks}} who could be defeated in about half a second in the movies are usually much more dangerous. ''Star Wars: Masters of Teräs Käsi'', a ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' clone from TheNineties, probably has one of the strongest examples of this. Since this was a FightingGame, it was entirely possible for characters like Chewbacca, Han and even ''a Stormtrooper'' to defeat people like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in one-on-one combat.



* ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros.''

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* ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros.'' ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'':



** ''Brawl'' brings [[Franchise/MetalGear Solid Snake]]. He can't even jump during gameplay in his own series, but here he can easily jump three times his height and fly with the assistance of a summoned Cypher (his enemies in his games), perform elegant suplexes, and is so flexible he can bend his spine almost all the way back. Also, the swimming/drowning mechanics the game introduced are nearly the same for everyone, even for characters who can't swim (Sonic and Charizard), or characters who can't drown (Squirtle in ''Brawl'' and Greninja in ''Wii U/3DS''). Varia Samus and Zero Suit Samus highlight this as well. In [[MetroidZeroMission their original appearance,]] Zero Suit Samus was part of a NoGearLevel, lacking any offensive capabilities whatsoever outside of a temporary stun. In ''Smash Bros'', she's significantly faster and more agile than her armored counterpart (in the original, she was, if anything, slower), and actually places higher on most CharacterTiers.

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** ''Brawl'' brings [[Franchise/MetalGear [[VideoGame/MetalGear Solid Snake]]. He can't even jump during gameplay in his own series, but here he can easily jump three times his height and fly with the assistance of a summoned Cypher (his enemies in his games), perform elegant suplexes, and is so flexible he can bend his spine almost all the way back. Also, the swimming/drowning mechanics the game introduced are nearly the same for everyone, even for characters who can't swim (Sonic and Charizard), or characters who can't drown (Squirtle in ''Brawl'' and Greninja in ''Wii U/3DS''). Varia Samus and Zero Suit Samus highlight this as well. In [[MetroidZeroMission [[VideoGame/MetroidZeroMission their original appearance,]] Zero Suit Samus was part of a NoGearLevel, lacking any offensive capabilities whatsoever outside of a temporary stun. In ''Smash Bros'', she's significantly faster and more agile than her armored counterpart (in the original, she was, if anything, slower), and actually places higher on most CharacterTiers.



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*** Also somewhat justified by the episode "[[Recap/{{JusticeLeagueS2E5And6OnlyADream}} Only a Dream]]" where we find out that both The Flash and Superman are afraid of their power getting out of control. So they likely consciously or unconsciously reduce their abilities.

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*** Also somewhat justified by the episode "[[Recap/{{JusticeLeagueS2E5And6OnlyADream}} "[[Recap/JusticeLeagueS2E5And6OnlyADream Only a Dream]]" where we find out that both The Flash and Superman are afraid of their power getting out of control. So they likely consciously or unconsciously reduce their abilities.
27th Nov '17 4:03:21 PM Prfnoff
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* This trope was at least partially the downfall of the anime CCG ''Ani-Mayhem''. The base set used ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'', ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'', ''Anime/BubblegumCrisis'', and ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld''. So far so good. The first expansion set had ''Anime/ProjectAKo'', ''Anime/DominionTankPolice'', ''Anime/PhantomQuestCorp'', and ''Anime/ArmitageIII''. No problem here. The second expansion set? '''''Anime/DragonBallZ'''''[[note]]covering the Frieza Saga, with extra characters like Future Trunks[[/note]]. The sheer power imbalance between both heroes and villains made it so there was little to no point to using any of the other characters, since the effort it took to bring them up to ''DBZ'''s level could have been better spent making the ''DBZ'' characters even stronger. Which is kind of ironic, as ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'' tends to have characters that are far stronger than just about any ''Franchise/DragonBall'' character.

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* This trope was at least partially the downfall of the anime CCG ''Ani-Mayhem''.''TabletopGame/AniMayhem''. The base set used ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'', ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'', ''Anime/BubblegumCrisis'', and ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld''. So far so good. The first expansion set had ''Anime/ProjectAKo'', ''Anime/DominionTankPolice'', ''Anime/PhantomQuestCorp'', and ''Anime/ArmitageIII''. No problem here. The second expansion set? '''''Anime/DragonBallZ'''''[[note]]covering the Frieza Saga, with extra characters like Future Trunks[[/note]]. The sheer power imbalance between both heroes and villains made it so there was little to no point to using any of the other characters, since the effort it took to bring them up to ''DBZ'''s level could have been better spent making the ''DBZ'' characters even stronger. Which is kind of ironic, as ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'' tends to have characters that are far stronger than just about any ''Franchise/DragonBall'' character.
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