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06:36:10 PM May 28th 2017
I don't think this trope only applies to crossovers. I see this trope all the time even in stories without cross-overs. The version of this trope I see is like a hybridization of cast speication and spotlight stealing squad, but uses the same exact idea the "power creep, power seep" trope has. So you're a TV writer, and you really want to give each character their own spotlight episode that highlights why they're such a important part of the team, etc. The logical choice would be to write an episode centered around their skills and knowledge that nobody else can do right? Nope, you inexplicably choose to make it so that the rest of the team were suddenly acting like idiots without any real skills at all. This way the character we're focusing on suddenly just looks good by comparison and they don't even need to do anything. A far more permanent version of this is where a new character joins the team and the main hero suddenly forgets a skill that they always had until the new character joined. Just so that the writers could justify the character's presence there. Example: Oliver Queen from the Arrow show was fairly decent at hacking and the like... even created his own electronic arrows that could hack into things if he shot it at other electronic devices. But then Felicity joined the team, and it was like Oliver completely forgot that he could do things like that. So he's always asking Felicity to hack into things for him. This naturally gives the new character something to do.
06:59:25 PM Mar 19th 2012
Is the Kamen Rider Decade example appropriate to this trope. Aside from Double’s advertising power-up, and the Riders Decade fights in the beginning Last Story, all of the Riders are Alternate Universe versions. They are different characters with different names, different actors, and different fighting abilities. All of the comparisons, and complaints (the post is very long and ranty filled with complaining about shows you don’t like) stem from referencing the original shows, which really doesn’t apply. The only possible legitimate example is the stuff about Last Story and Violent Emotion, and even that part is filled with anger and complaints. That part probably should stay, but be reworded to be objective. Is this fair, or not?
10:40:57 PM Oct 16th 2010
Sorry, how does the page quote relate to the article exactly?
12:17:03 PM Nov 5th 2010
edited by Ghilz
Same here. WTF?

EDIT: Removed it. It was:

So the LORD was with Judah. And they drove out the mountaineers, but they could not drive out the inhabitants of the lowland, because they had chariots of iron.

12:11:19 PM Nov 6th 2010
I think the idea is that it has God being beaten by the fact the guys in the lowland have iron when he's, well, God and something like that shouldn't really stop him.
06:35:32 PM Nov 9th 2010
Seems obviously relevant to me. Omnipotent being suddenly gets a weakness to iron for the sake of the story. Personally, I chortled and guffawed.
11:43:41 AM Nov 24th 2010
Best page quote ever!
08:28:51 PM Aug 23rd 2011
^...except it doesn't have anything to do with crossovers.
01:07:49 AM Sep 11th 2011
edited by Kamino
Well, the relation seems quite obvious to me.

The God was with the Israelites, yet they could not drive out the inhabitant of the lowland because they had such a weapon (iron chariots) that the might of the Israelites just didn't work.

Just like that, characters from a fictional universe can have awesome superpowers in their universe but when taken to a crossover, their powers will not be effective because heroes in the other universe involved are just in a completely different league. That leads to this trope.

I suggest restoring the page quote but to clarify its relation with the trope maybe also adding this (Joshua 17:18):

But the mountain country shall be yours. Although it is wooded, you shall cut it down, and its farthest extent shall be yours; for you shall drive out the Canaanites, though they have iron chariots and are strong.
01:52:43 AM Sep 15th 2011
edited by Pavlov
Actually, the Bible is a collection of previously separate religious texts. That's why it's called, "Book of Judges", "Book of Genesis", etc. They're *ALL* crossovers.

But the whole thing is getting way too religious for me, I ain't putting it back. Anyway, I'd probably find out I was fighting some "repair page" committee. Again.
10:01:56 PM Sep 18th 2011
^That wouldn't make anymore of a difference, since the quote would just have to be considered in the context of the Book of Judges. Even if you consider the Bible as a whole, all those separate texts still take place in a single Verse; it's not like the quote is dealing with some crossover between the Old Testament and the Rigveda. Using that line of thought, we would have to treat Terry Nation Doctor Who as a completely separate Verse from Steven Moffat Who.

But I think the current page quote from the Superman vs. Muhammad Ali crossover does a perfect job at illustrating the concept as is, so whatever.
04:30:37 PM Sep 27th 2011
Thanks! I figured Nature abhors a vacuum so I needed to put a non-religious quote in quick and that was the best that Google coughed up. Now that I've read it, I've got to say that is the craziest crossover story I've read in a very long time.
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