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Primary Stylistic Influences (70s Punk):
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Secondary Stylistic Influences (70s Punk):
+ NoiseRock, Experimental Music, sometimes NewWaveMusic, AlternativeMetal, PopPunk and even ProgressveRock and ElectronicMusic on some bands
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* CircaSurvive



* Music/CoheedAndCambria (another case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly)

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* Music/CoheedAndCambria (another ((they're also a case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly)NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock))



* Music/LADispute

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* Music/LADisputeMusic/LaDispute



* HarshVocals: These occur occasionally, though not to the extent as in {{Metalcore}} or [[{{Emo}} Screamo]].

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* HarshVocals: These occur occasionally, though not to the extent as in {{Metalcore}} or [[{{Emo}} [[ScreamoMusic Screamo]].



* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Normally, anywhere from a 5 to an 8, with the odd band or song going a bit higher and, rarely, some going lower as well.

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One important scene was concentrated around Washington D.C. and, in particular, Dischord Records, with bands such as {{Fugazi}}, Jawbox, Embrace, Shudder to Think, and in particular Rites of Spring. Rites of Spring began using more melodic riffs, shifting song structures and deeply personal lyrics. And in this, a new genre was born - Music/{{Emo}}.

True post-hardcore lost steam in the early 90's, but emo got more and more popular, with bands such as Sunny Day Real Estate and Jawbreaker being especially influential and popular. A more aggressive form of emo also developed around San Diego, known as screamo. Yet more subgenres were sprouting up, with post-hardcore bands such as Drive Like Jehu and Shellac and using increasingly complex rhythms and denser, experimental sounds. MathRock was born. The genre may have been taken over by emo, but it never really died - some artists who got known through it, such as At the Drive-In and Helmet, crossed over to an AlternativeRock audience and kept it alive, also crossing it over to a mainstream audience.

Today, with the popularization of Music/{{Emo}}, if a band is described as "post-hardcore" it could mean anything. Usually, modern post-hardcore bands will incorporate more PopPunk or AlternativeRock elements, such as {{The Used}} and {{My Chemical Romance}}. Some modern mainstream {{Metalcore}} bands such as The Devil Wears Prada, Of Mice and Men, and Miss May I will also often incorporate post-hardcore elements.

"The Wave" of post-hardcore is a scene gradually building in popularity with bands like Defeater, La Dispute and Touché Amoré. The style harks back to classic post-hardcore as well as elements of math rock, emo, and modern metalcore.

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One important scene was concentrated around Washington D.C. and, in particular, Dischord Records, with bands such as {{Fugazi}}, Jawbox, Embrace, Shudder to Think, and in particular Rites of Spring. Rites of Spring began using more melodic riffs, shifting song structures and deeply personal lyrics. And in this, a new post-hardcore genre was born - Music/{{Emo}}.

True post-hardcore lost steam in the early 90's, but emo got more and more popular, with bands such as Sunny Day Real Estate and Jawbreaker being especially influential and popular. A more aggressive form of emo also developed around San Diego, known as screamo. Yet more subgenres were sprouting up, with post-hardcore bands such as Drive Like Jehu and Shellac and using increasingly complex rhythms and denser, experimental sounds. MathRock was born. The genre may have been taken over by emo, but it never really died - some artists who got known through it, such as At the Drive-In and Helmet, crossed over to an AlternativeRock audience and kept it alive, also crossing it over to a mainstream audience.

Today, with the popularization of Music/{{Emo}}, if a band is described as "post-hardcore" it could mean anything. Usually, modern post-hardcore bands will incorporate more PopPunk or AlternativeRock elements, such as {{The Used}} and {{My Chemical Romance}}. Some modern mainstream {{Metalcore}} bands such as The Devil Wears Prada, Of Mice and Men, and Miss May I will also often incorporate post-hardcore elements.

"The Wave" of post-hardcore is a scene gradually building in popularity with bands like Defeater, La Dispute and Touché Amoré. The style harks back to classic post-hardcore as well as elements of math rock, emo, rock and modern metalcore.
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One important scene was concentrated around Washington D.C. and, in particular, Dischord Records, with bands such as Fugazi, Jawbox, Embrace, Shudder to Think, and in particular Rites of Spring. Rites of Spring began using more melodic riffs, shifting song structures and deeply personal lyrics. And in this, a new genre was born - Music/{{Emo}}.

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One important scene was concentrated around Washington D.C. and, in particular, Dischord Records, with bands such as Fugazi, {{Fugazi}}, Jawbox, Embrace, Shudder to Think, and in particular Rites of Spring. Rites of Spring began using more melodic riffs, shifting song structures and deeply personal lyrics. And in this, a new genre was born - Music/{{Emo}}.

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* Music/{{Alexisonfire}}Music/{{AFI}}



* Music/BigBlack
** ''Music/SongsAboutFucking'' (1987)



* Music/{{Issues}} (a partial influence along with {{Metalcore}}, NuMetal, [[OneOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers and]] RAndB)



* Music/TakingBackSunday (early material)



* Music/{{Thrice}} (early material)
* Music/{{Thursday}}



* Music/TheUsed (crossed with Music/{{Emo}} and PopPunk)

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* Music/TheUsed (crossed with Music/{{Emo}} and PopPunk)
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* Music/{{Issues}} (a partial influence along with {{Metalcore}}, NuMetal, [[OneOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers and]] RAndB)
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** ''Music/SongsAboutFucking'' (1987)
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** Music/TheMarsVolta (they're also a case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock)



* Music/TheEvens



** Music/TheEvens



* Music/TheMarsVolta (they're also a case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock)



** Music/{{Pegboy}}



* Music/{{Pegboy}}



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* ChristianRock: Quite a few PostHardcore and Music/{{Metalcore}} bands are this, for whatever reason...

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* ChristianRock: Quite a few PostHardcore and Music/{{Metalcore}} {{Metalcore}} bands are this, for whatever reason...



* HarshVocals: These occur occasionally, though not to the extent as in Music/{{Metalcore}} or [[Music/{{Emo}} Screamo]].

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* HarshVocals: These occur occasionally, though not to the extent as in Music/{{Metalcore}} {{Metalcore}} or [[Music/{{Emo}} [[{{Emo}} Screamo]].

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* Music/Alexisonfire

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* Music/AlexisonfireMusic/{{Alexisonfire}}



* Music/Gone (this combined with Jazz Fusion. An instrumental group formed by ex-Black Flag guitarist Greg Ginn.)

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* Music/Gone Music/{{Gone}} (this combined with Jazz Fusion. An instrumental group formed by ex-Black Flag guitarist Greg Ginn.)




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* Alexisonfire
* Arcwelder (also borderline PopPunk- they were very heavily HuskerDu-influenced, after all)
* At the Drive-In
** TheMarsVolta (they're also a case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock)
* Bastro
* Beefeater

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* Alexisonfire
Music/Alexisonfire
* Arcwelder Music/{{Arcwelder}} (also borderline PopPunk- they were very heavily HuskerDu-influenced, after all)
* [[Music/AtTheDriveIn At the Drive-In
Drive-In]]
** TheMarsVolta Music/TheMarsVolta (they're also a case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock)
* Bastro
Music/{{Bastro}}
* BeefeaterMusic/{{Beefeater}}



* BillyTalent (perhaps the poppiest band in the genre- they border on PopPunk)
* Bitch Magnet
* Brainiac (also PostPunk Revival)
* Breaking Circus
* Burning Airlines
* Cargo Cult (a short-lived band most notable for being where [[TheJesusLizard Duane Denison]] got his start)
* Chavez
* Circus Lupus
* CoheedAndCambria (another case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly)
* Dag Nasty
* Die Kreuzen
* TheDismembermentPlan (also DancePunk and PostPunk Revival)
* Drive Like Jehu
* Effigies
* Embrace

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* BillyTalent Music/BillyTalent (perhaps the poppiest band in the genre- they border on PopPunk)
* Bitch Magnet
Music/BitchMagnet
* Brainiac Music/{{Brainiac}} (also PostPunk Revival)
* Breaking Circus
Music/BreakingCircus
* Burning Airlines
Music/BurningAirlines
* Cargo Cult Music/CargoCult (a short-lived band most notable for being where [[TheJesusLizard Duane Denison]] got his start)
* Chavez
Music/{{Chavez}}
* Circus Lupus
Music/CircusLupus
* CoheedAndCambria Music/CoheedAndCambria (another case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly)
* Dag Nasty
Music/DagNasty
* Die Kreuzen
Music/DieKreuzen
* TheDismembermentPlan Music/TheDismembermentPlan (also DancePunk and PostPunk Revival)
* Drive Like Jehu
Music/DriveLikeJehu
* Effigies
Music/{{Effigies}}
* EmbraceMusic/{{Embrace}}



* Fightstar
* fIREHOSE

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* Fightstar
Music/{{Fightstar}}
* fIREHOSE[[Music/{{Firehose}} fIREHOSE]]



** The Evens
* Girls Against Boys
* Gone (this combined with Jazz Fusion. An instrumental group formed by ex-Black Flag guitarist Greg Ginn.)
* Gray Matter
* Helmet (also AlternativeMetal)
* [=Hum=][[note]]at first; they switched to psychedelic space rock for the albums ''You'd Prefer an Astronaut'' and ''Downward Is Heavenward''[[/note]]

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** The Evens
Music/TheEvens
* Girls Against Boys
Music/GirlsAgainstBoys
* Gone Music/Gone (this combined with Jazz Fusion. An instrumental group formed by ex-Black Flag guitarist Greg Ginn.)
* Gray Matter
Music/GrayMatter
* Helmet Music/{{Helmet}} (also AlternativeMetal)
* [=Hum=][[note]]at Music/{{Hum}}: at first; they switched to psychedelic space rock for the albums ''You'd Prefer an Astronaut'' and ''Downward Is Heavenward''[[/note]]Heavenward''



* Jets To Brazil
* KEN mode
* Killdozer
* Lungfish
* mclusky

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* Jets To Brazil
Music/JetsToBrazil
* [[Music/KENmode KEN mode
mode]]
* Killdozer
Music/{{Killdozer}}
* Lungfish
Music/{{Lungfish}}
* mcluskyMusic/{{mclusky}}



* Mission Impossible
* Naked Raygun
** Pegboy
* Nation of Ulysses
* Nomeansno
* Poster Children
* Quicksand (also AlternativeMetal)

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* Mission Impossible
Music/MissionImpossible
* Naked Raygun
Music/NakedRaygun
** Pegboy
Music/{{Pegboy}}
* Nation of Ulysses
Music/NationOfUlysses
* Nomeansno
Music/{{Nomeansno}}
* Poster Children
Music/PosterChildren
* Quicksand Music/{{Quicksand}} (also AlternativeMetal)



* Refused
* Rites of Spring
* Saccharine Trust
* Scratch Acid

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* Refused
Music/{{Refused}}
* Rites of Spring
Music/RitesOfSpring
* Saccharine Trust
Music/SaccharineTrust
* Scratch AcidMusic/ScratchAcid



* SixFingerSatellite (also PostPunk Revival)
* Soul Side

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* SixFingerSatellite Music/SixFingerSatellite (also PostPunk Revival)
* Soul SideMusic/SoulSide



* Shudder to Think

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* Shudder to ThinkMusic/ShudderToThink



* Squirrel Bait
* Tar
* Unwound
* Unsane
* The Used (crossed with Music/{{Emo}} and PopPunk)
* Volcano Suns

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* Squirrel Bait
Music/SquirrelBait
* Tar
Music/{{Tar}}
* Unwound
Music/{{Unwound}}
* Unsane
Music/{{Unsane}}
* The Used Music/TheUsed (crossed with Music/{{Emo}} and PopPunk)
* Volcano Suns
Music/VolcanoSuns
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* NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly: Not uncommon in the genre- Music/MeatPuppets, Music/TheMinutemen , Music/HuskerDu and Music/{{Fugazi}} are all pretty good examples, as are more recent bands like Music/TheMarsVolta and Music/CoheedAndCambria.

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* Brainiac (also PostPunk Revival)



* Cargo Cult (a short-lived band most notable for being where [[TheJesusLizard Duane Denison]] got his start)



* TheDismembermentPlan (also DancePunk and PostPunk Revival)



* Quicksand

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!!Tropes Common In PostHardcore:
* AltrnativeRock
* ChristianRock: Quite a few PostHardcore and Music/{{Metalcore}} bands are this, for whatever reason...
** NotChristianRock: Naturally, this sometimes occurs as well.
* HarshVocals: These occur occasionally, though not to the extent as in Music/{{Metalcore}} or [[Music/{{Emo}} Screamo]].
* MetalScream: Sometimes.
* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Normally, anywhere from a 5 to an 8, with the odd band or song going a bit higher and, rarely, some going lower as well.
* NoiseRock: Both an influence and a close relative of this genre- the two often overlap (i.e. Unsane, TheJesusLizard, any band SteveAlbini was in...).
* OlderThanTheyThink: There are some casual listeners who believe this genre only came into being in the late 90s/early 2000s, when the truth of the matter is that it goes all the way back to the early-mid [[TheEighties 80s]]. Though that can mostly be attributed to the fact that only in the last decade or so have PostHardcore bands really experienced commercial success.
* PostPunk: A pronounced influence on the genre, and some bands (i.e. Music/TheMinutemen, Music/BigBlack) can be thought of as both. There are also PostHardcore bands such as TheDismembermentPlan and SixFingerSatellite who helped kickstart the whole DancePunk / PostPunk Revival genres.
* SpinOff: Both MathRock and Music/{{Emo}} are this to PostHardcore. In the case of the latter, it's also a MorePopularSpinOff.
* StraightEdge: There are a few PostHardcore bands such as Music/{{Fugazi}} who advocate this.
* TropeCodifier: Probably Music/{{Fugazi}}, as far as many people are concerned. It helps that Ian Mackaye, who's their lead singer, also runs Dischord Records, which is a key label in the genre's history and has released records by many of the genre's important bands (i.e. Rites of Spring, Embrace, Jawbox, Shudder To Think, etc.).
* TropeMaker: Bands like Music/BigBlack, Music/NakedRaygun, Music/SquirrelBait, Music/HuskerDu and Music/TheMinutemen are all good candidates.

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* Bastro



* Bitch Magnet



* Killdozer



* Music/{{Slint}}

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* Alexisonfire



* Beefeater



* BillyTalent (perhaps the poppiest band in the genre- they border on PopPunk)
* Breaking Circus



* CoheedAndCambria (another case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly)



* Fightstar
* fIREHOSE



** The Evens
* Girls Against Boys



* Helmet

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* The Used (crossed with Music/{{Emo}} and PopPunk)

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[[redirect:{{Post-hardcore}}]]What post-punk was to the original punk movement, this was to HardcorePunk.

It evolved basically the same way: hardcore bands started experimenting with the basic template, including influences from other genres, and frequently experimenting with loud-soft song structures. Some of these bands included Music/HuskerDu, Music/MeatPuppets and Music/TheMinutemen. It is mostly considered to have been influenced by hardcore forefathers Music/BlackFlag, who took on influences from various other genres and the use of experimental song structures. Many of them also took influence from the genre of NoiseRock, such as Big Black and Naked Raygun.

One important scene was concentrated around Washington D.C. and, in particular, Dischord Records, with bands such as Fugazi, Jawbox, Embrace, Shudder to Think, and in particular Rites of Spring. Rites of Spring began using more melodic riffs, shifting song structures and deeply personal lyrics. And in this, a new genre was born - Music/{{Emo}}.

True post-hardcore lost steam in the early 90's, but emo got more and more popular, with bands such as Sunny Day Real Estate and Jawbreaker being especially influential and popular. A more aggressive form of emo also developed around San Diego, known as screamo. Yet more subgenres were sprouting up, with post-hardcore bands such as Drive Like Jehu and Shellac and using increasingly complex rhythms and denser, experimental sounds. MathRock was born. The genre may have been taken over by emo, but it never really died - some artists who got known through it, such as At the Drive-In and Helmet, crossed over to an AlternativeRock audience and kept it alive, also crossing it over to a mainstream audience.

Today, with the popularization of Music/{{Emo}}, if a band is described as "post-hardcore" it could mean anything. Usually, modern post-hardcore bands will incorporate more PopPunk or AlternativeRock elements, such as {{The Used}} and {{My Chemical Romance}}. Some modern mainstream {{Metalcore}} bands such as The Devil Wears Prada, Of Mice and Men, and Miss May I will also often incorporate post-hardcore elements.

"The Wave" of post-hardcore is a scene gradually building in popularity with bands like Defeater, La Dispute and Touché Amoré. The style harks back to classic post-hardcore as well as elements of math rock, emo, and modern metalcore.

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Some bands that formed the first wave of post-hardcore:
* At the Drive-In
** TheMarsVolta (they're also a case of NeoClassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly however, and are more frequently categorised as ProgressiveRock)
* Music/BigBlack
* Burning Airlines
* Chavez
* Circus Lupus
* Dag Nasty
* Die Kreuzen
* Drive Like Jehu
* Effigies
* Embrace
* Music/EnterShikari (also AvantGardeMetal and NeoclassicalPunkZydecoRockabilly)
* Music/{{Fugazi}}
* Gone (this combined with Jazz Fusion. An instrumental group formed by ex-Black Flag guitarist Greg Ginn.)
* Gray Matter
* Helmet
* [=Hum=][[note]]at first; they switched to psychedelic space rock for the albums ''You'd Prefer an Astronaut'' and ''Downward Is Heavenward''[[/note]]
* Music/HuskerDu
* Music/{{Jawbox}}
* Music/TheJesusLizard
* Jets To Brazil
* KEN mode
* mclusky
* Music/MeatPuppets
* Music/TheMinutemen
* Mission Impossible
* Naked Raygun
* Nation of Ulysses
* Nomeansno
* Poster Children
* Quicksand
* [[Music/SteveAlbini Rapeman]]
* Rites of Spring
* Saccharine Trust
* Scratch Acid
* Music/{{Shellac}}
* Music/SteveAlbini
* Shudder to Think
* Music/{{Slint}}
* Squirrel Bait
* Tar
* Unwound
* Unsane
* Volcano Suns
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