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[[PostSomethingism Post]]-grunge is a derivative of {{Grunge}} music that became popular in the late 90s. The genre is primarily marked by its use of the apathetic, droning vocals, downtuned guitars and HardRock[=/=][[PunkRock Punk]] aesthetics commonly associated with Grunge, but also removing the unusual structures and [[ProgressiveRock prog-like]] time signatures that Grunge artists such as The Melvins were also known for, [[LighterAndSofter then slowing it down]] but not to the level of [[DoomMetal doom metal]]. In other words, taking, running-with and exploiting the more commercially viable qualities of Grunge while watering down its oddity and offending harshness. Yeah, this genre [[InternetBackdraft doesn't go over well]] with the underground music scene, and its large popularity is sometimes accused of causing AlternativeRock to lose its experimental qualities. Not to mention the genre's existence has lead to numerous bands previously snatched up by major labels after Music/{{Nirvana}}'s breakthrough being unceremoniously dumped[[note]]like Boredoms, Music/ButtholeSurfers and Music/{{Jawbox}}, to name a few[[/note]].

The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and Music/{{Whitesnake}} than Music/{{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.

The rise of Post-grunge has gone to dominate and even embed itself in the standardly recognized sound of {{hard rock}} [[SmallReferencePools as most people can hear]], creating the assumption that Post-grunge is, along with Emo and Pop punk, the only form of modern rock. This has had the flip-side effect of some of the more straight-forward, contemporary rock groups [[note]]The kind who take their influence from the deep-seated 70's and 80's hard rock staples (Black Stone Cherry, Rev Theory, Hinder, Saving Abel, Buckcherry, Pop Evil, My Darkest Days, etc.)[[/note]] being lumped in with post-grunge, despite having no or next-to no alternative qualities in their rock[[note]]Nickelback is a particularly odd case of this, taking on a more stadium/pop sound in their later albums and thus joining this group while still carrying the post-grunge label as an ArtifactTitle, probably because of their lead singer's scratchy voice[[/note]]. There is a bit of cross-over involved as well: Saliva, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down and Daughtry like to dabble in/pay tribute to "regular" hard rock when they can, adding to this confusion. If one isn't punk or extreme metal, it seems the only way to escape this is to play ''very'' old-fashioned retro-rock, such as Music/GarageRock revival, new BluesRock, [[PsychedelicRock neo-psychedelia]], [[Music/HeavyMetal traditional-metal revival]], [[Music/DoomMetal retro-metal revival]], or [[PopRevival modernized]] PowerPop.

For better or worse, the genre's stylings have entered most current popular music to some degree, and it isn't showing any signs of slowing down. Also note that ([[MST3KMantra repeat after me]]) ''[[TropesAreNotBad good Post-grunge does exist]]'', often with some of the most reviled bands having some of the best gems that tend to not make the radio. Try to avoid the particularly grating examples.

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Bands typified as Post-grunge:

'''First-wave Post-grunge''':
* Bush
* Candlebox
* Collective Soul
* Days of the New (a mostly acoustic band, sounding a bit close to Music/AliceInChains in acoustic mode)
* Everclear
* Music/FooFighters ([[{{Irony}} ironic]], considering [[{{Music/Nirvana}} the band's origins]]...)
** They're also the most critically acclaimed of the lot.
* {{Music/Incubus}} (they're mostly a {{funk metal}} band and have even [[GenreShift shifted]] into AlternativeRock proper with recent albums. The post grunge is only really their {{black sheep hit}}s)
* Music/TheGooGooDolls (as a result of a BlackSheepHit ["Name"] on their 5th album which in turn set off a GenreShift. The rest of those first 5 albums are closer to the music of Music/TheReplacements)
* Live
* Music/MatchboxTwenty
* Seven Mary Three
* {{Silverchair}} (early)
* Music/StoneTemplePilots (debatable if they were the [[TropeMaker first example]] or just a radio-friendly form of proper {{grunge}})
* Tonic (first album; they later became "adult alternative")

'''New Millennium style post-grunge''':
* 3 Doors Down
* 12 Stones
* Aranda (on their second album, "Stop the World")
* Music/{{Art of Dying}}
* Audioslave (Which is [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Chris Cornell]] with Music/RageAgainstTheMachine backing him.)
* The Calling
* Cold
* Music/{{Creed}} (one of the more infamous examples)
* Crossfade
* Dark New Day (best known for their hit song "Brother;" featured members of Sevendust and Stereomud, and was significantly more grunge-influenced than their parent projects).
* Daughtry (widely recognized as one of the heaviest things to come out of Series/AmericanIdol)
* Default
* Fuel
* Hoobastank
* Music/{{Lifehouse}}
* Matchbox 20
* Music/{{Nickelback}} (probably the most hated example)
* Papa Roach (later work)
* PuddleOfMudd (although they have strong AltMetal influences as well)
* Skillet (Which is also one of the most famous examples of ChristianRock)
* Music/{{Switchfoot}}
* Tantric (with a heavier emphasis on acoustic guitars than most bands)
* Theory of a Deadman

'''Post-grunge[=/=][[AltMetal Alt-metal]] crossover''':

Some post-grunge bands take more after {{Tool}} and Music/AliceInChains than Music/PearlJam or Music/{{Nirvana}}, while some like to add a heavier edge to their sound as not to be lumped with their softer post-grunge contemporaries while maintaining their alternative status. Thus, the overlap with AlternativeMetal was inevitable. Note that all or most post-grunge bands fall under the HardRock umbrella (a genre related to alt-metal and Music/{{heavy metal}}), but post-grunge bands with similarities to metal aren't necessarily an example of alt-metal. Given their similar pop-leanings, normally when a post-grunge band makes their sound heavier they become [[NuMetal nu-metal]] rather than pure alt-metal; achieving the sound of alt-metal requires a distinctly guitar-driven, alternative rock approach with less of the aggression and simplicity associated with nu-metal[[note]]Also note that post-grunge/alt-metal bands tend to sound very far from the "normal", Guns N' Roses/Bon Jovi-style hard rock described earlier, aside from the odd GenreShift[[/note]]. In other words, Papa Roach, who practiced more standard-fare nu-metal early in their career only to switch to post-grunge later, wouldn't be an example of post-grunge/alt-metal crossover. Post-grunge/alt-metal crossover bands melodically tend to follow more in line with classic grunge, AlternativeRock and NWOBHM on the mid end of the MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness. They are generally more acclaimed than regular post-grunge. These include:

* 10 Years (along with Chevelle, the most Tool influenced of the lot)
* Adelitas Way
* Music/AllThatRemains (began as straight MelodicDeathMetal, evolved into [[{{Metalcore}} Melodic Metalcore]] (Metalcore with heavy Melodeath influences) and started to display prominent post-grunge influences sometime around ''Overcome'')
* Music/AlterBridge ([[TheBandMinusTheFace made of Creed minus Scott Stapp]]... [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel and they became better for it]]. Possibly the only post-grunge band in existence who overlaps with {{progressive rock}} and {{speed metal}}).
* BreakingBenjamin (one of the most beloved examples)
* Burn Halo
* Cavo (their song "Champagne" was a number one hit on rock radio in 2009).
* Chevelle (most obvious example of the Tool influence within Alt-metal[=/=]post-grunge)
* Cryoshell ( Mixed with SymphonicMetal , and they have a definite music/{{Evanescence}} influence )
* Decyfer Down
* DrowningPool (third album onward)
* Egypt Central
* The Exies
* Filter (crosses over with IndustrialMetal)
* Finger Eleven (best known for the hits "One Thing" and "Paralyzer.")
* {{Flyleaf}} (a rare female-fronted example of such).
* Music/{{Godsmack}} (most obvious example of the Alice in Chains influence within Alt-metal[=/=]post-grunge. Also arguably the heaviest example.)
* Halestorm (like Flyleaf, they have a female lead singer).
* Nonpoint (only on ''Development'' and ''Miracle'')
* Onesidezero (another Tool influenced band, though their second of two albums lacks most of the post grunge, is more of an alternative metal / post hardcore mix with a hint of Thrash)
* Presence (last album only)
* Red ( A ChristianRock example)
* Saliva (bordering on nu-metal for their early work)
* Music/{{Seether}}
* {{Sevendust}} (not always, but a lot of their more radio-friendly material leans towards this)
* Shinedown (varies by the MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness for which genre they fit in more)
* Sixx:A.M. (A rock trio featuring Music/MotleyCrue's Nikki Sixx who recorded two albums to accompany his autobiographies; their sound is far removed from that of Sixx's former band.)
* [=SOiL=] (not coincidentally, their original singer Ryan [=McCombs=] went on to join Drowning Pool and play on their third album, while Shaun Glass decided to rejoin Broken Hope when that band reformed in 2012)
* Staind (have had run-ins with the nu-metal label)
* Stereomud
* Stone Sour ({{Slipknot}} vocalist Corey Taylor occasionally lapses into this genre when singing melodically)
* Taproot (have had run-ins with the nu-metal label)
* Thousand Foot Krutch
* ThreeDaysGrace (later work showcases their post-grunge side more)
* Trapt (as mentioned above about modern rock groups being labeled post-grunge, Trapt is probably one of the many victims of this)
* The Veer Union

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Here's [[TVTropesWikiDrinkingGame a way to pass the time]]: count how many of these bands:

* Come from UsefulNotes/{{California}}, [[DeepSouth the southern]] [[{{Eagleland}} US]], or [[CanadaEh western Canada]].
** There's a good reason for the last one. Nickelback is from UsefulNotes/{{Vancouver}}, and Chad Kroeger loves seeking out bands that sound similar to his own so he can sign them (in the hopes of "bringing back rock n' roll").
* Insist on being called [[RockNRoll straight-rock]], AlternativeRock, or "real" {{grunge}}.
* Either have a vocal {{hatedom}}, or are (more charitably) viewed as [[SoOkayItsAverage middle-of-the-road]], [[GuiltyPleasure comfort-food]] rock.
* [[NotChristianRock Have been called]] ChristianRock at some point. Bonus points if they actually ''did'' start out as a Christian rock band (Switchfoot is one example).
* Have a member with a Music/KurtCobain-like shaggy hair cut and goatee combo.
** Chad Kroeger actually seemed to evolve into it. When Nickelback first came around, his hair was very long and he had a beard.
** John Foreman from Switchfoot also evolved into it due to pressure from record executives to look edgier. When the band started, Foreman had short, spiked hair with very little gruff. Foreman has had the same look since 2003.
* [[NoseYodeling Sing]] like [[Music/PearlJam Eddie Vedder]] or (with some bands) [[KurtCobain Kurt]] [[{{Nirvana}} Cobain]].
** Or in light of this, claim their vocalizations were influenced by [[TheDoors Jim Morrison]].
* Have [[http://www.last.fm/tag/post-grunge major radio success]].
* You've heard a softer SignatureSong of on the radio lately? (possibly an acoustic ballad)
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJsoquu70o Blurry - Puddle of Mudd]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrr3lRLjZ1Y Cold - Crossfade]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecXL_W2ZgWA Higher - Creed]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5VBBMxMPE How You Remind Me - Nickelback]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=araU0fZj6oQ It's Been A While - Staind]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM Never Too Late - Three Days Grace]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTVl2GeNfqI Remedy - Seether]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25ORRgLxdA Second Chance - Shinedown]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAocvKHUidg Wasting My Time - Default]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAP9AF6DCu4 Wherever You Will Go - The Calling]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPBzTxZQG5Q Here Without You - 3 Doors Down]]
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[[PostSomethingism Post]]-grunge is a derivative of {{Grunge}} music that became popular in the late 90s. The genre is primarily marked by its use of the apathetic, droning vocals, downtuned guitars and HardRock[=/=][[PunkRock Punk]] aesthetics commonly associated with Grunge, but also removing the unusual structures and [[ProgressiveRock prog-like]] time signatures that Grunge artists such as The Melvins were also known for, [[LighterAndSofter then slowing it down]] but not to the level of [[DoomMetal doom metal]]. In other words, taking, running-with and exploiting the more commercially viable qualities of Grunge while watering down its oddity and offending harshness. Yeah, this genre [[InternetBackdraft doesn't go over well]] with the underground music scene, and its large popularity is sometimes accused of causing AlternativeRock to lose its experimental qualities. Not to mention the genre's existence has lead to numerous bands previously snatched up by major labels after Music/{{Nirvana}}'s breakthrough being unceremoniously dumped[[note]]like Boredoms, Music/ButtholeSurfers and Music/{{Jawbox}}, to name a few[[/note]].

The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and Music/{{Whitesnake}} than Music/{{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.

The rise of Post-grunge has gone to dominate and even embed itself in the standardly recognized sound of {{hard rock}} [[SmallReferencePools as most people can hear]], creating the assumption that Post-grunge is, along with Emo and Pop punk, the only form of modern rock. This has had the flip-side effect of some of the more straight-forward, contemporary rock groups [[note]]The kind who take their influence from the deep-seated 70's and 80's hard rock staples (Black Stone Cherry, Rev Theory, Hinder, Saving Abel, Buckcherry, Pop Evil, My Darkest Days, etc.)[[/note]] being lumped in with post-grunge, despite having no or next-to no alternative qualities in their rock[[note]]Nickelback is a particularly odd case of this, taking on a more stadium/pop sound in their later albums and thus joining this group while still carrying the post-grunge label as an ArtifactTitle, probably because of their lead singer's scratchy voice[[/note]]. There is a bit of cross-over involved as well: Saliva, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down and Daughtry like to dabble in/pay tribute to "regular" hard rock when they can, adding to this confusion. If one isn't punk or extreme metal, it seems the only way to escape this is to play ''very'' old-fashioned retro-rock, such as Music/GarageRock revival, new BluesRock, [[PsychedelicRock neo-psychedelia]], [[Music/HeavyMetal traditional-metal revival]], [[Music/DoomMetal retro-metal revival]], or [[PopRevival modernized]] PowerPop.

For better or worse, the genre's stylings have entered most current popular music to some degree, and it isn't showing any signs of slowing down. Also note that ([[MST3KMantra repeat after me]]) ''[[TropesAreNotBad good Post-grunge does exist]]'', often with some of the most reviled bands having some of the best gems that tend to not make the radio. Try to avoid the particularly grating examples.

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Bands typified as Post-grunge:

'''First-wave Post-grunge''':
* Bush
* Candlebox
* Collective Soul
* Days of the New (a mostly acoustic band, sounding a bit close to Music/AliceInChains in acoustic mode)
* Everclear
* Music/FooFighters ([[{{Irony}} ironic]], considering [[{{Music/Nirvana}} the band's origins]]...)
** They're also the most critically acclaimed of the lot.
* {{Music/Incubus}} (they're mostly a {{funk metal}} band and have even [[GenreShift shifted]] into AlternativeRock proper with recent albums. The post grunge is only really their {{black sheep hit}}s)
* Music/TheGooGooDolls (as a result of a BlackSheepHit ["Name"] on their 5th album which in turn set off a GenreShift. The rest of those first 5 albums are closer to the music of Music/TheReplacements)
* Live
* Music/MatchboxTwenty
* Seven Mary Three
* {{Silverchair}} (early)
* Music/StoneTemplePilots (debatable if they were the [[TropeMaker first example]] or just a radio-friendly form of proper {{grunge}})
* Tonic (first album; they later became "adult alternative")

'''New Millennium style post-grunge''':
* 3 Doors Down
* 12 Stones
* Aranda (on their second album, "Stop the World")
* Music/{{Art of Dying}}
* Audioslave (Which is [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Chris Cornell]] with Music/RageAgainstTheMachine backing him.)
* The Calling
* Cold
* Music/{{Creed}} (one of the more infamous examples)
* Crossfade
* Dark New Day (best known for their hit song "Brother;" featured members of Sevendust and Stereomud, and was significantly more grunge-influenced than their parent projects).
* Daughtry (widely recognized as one of the heaviest things to come out of Series/AmericanIdol)
* Default
* Fuel
* Hoobastank
* Music/{{Lifehouse}}
* Matchbox 20
* Music/{{Nickelback}} (probably the most hated example)
* Papa Roach (later work)
* PuddleOfMudd (although they have strong AltMetal influences as well)
* Skillet (Which is also one of the most famous examples of ChristianRock)
* Music/{{Switchfoot}}
* Tantric (with a heavier emphasis on acoustic guitars than most bands)
* Theory of a Deadman

'''Post-grunge[=/=][[AltMetal Alt-metal]] crossover''':

Some post-grunge bands take more after {{Tool}} and Music/AliceInChains than Music/PearlJam or Music/{{Nirvana}}, while some like to add a heavier edge to their sound as not to be lumped with their softer post-grunge contemporaries while maintaining their alternative status. Thus, the overlap with AlternativeMetal was inevitable. Note that all or most post-grunge bands fall under the HardRock umbrella (a genre related to alt-metal and Music/{{heavy metal}}), but post-grunge bands with similarities to metal aren't necessarily an example of alt-metal. Given their similar pop-leanings, normally when a post-grunge band makes their sound heavier they become [[NuMetal nu-metal]] rather than pure alt-metal; achieving the sound of alt-metal requires a distinctly guitar-driven, alternative rock approach with less of the aggression and simplicity associated with nu-metal[[note]]Also note that post-grunge/alt-metal bands tend to sound very far from the "normal", Guns N' Roses/Bon Jovi-style hard rock described earlier, aside from the odd GenreShift[[/note]]. In other words, Papa Roach, who practiced more standard-fare nu-metal early in their career only to switch to post-grunge later, wouldn't be an example of post-grunge/alt-metal crossover. Post-grunge/alt-metal crossover bands melodically tend to follow more in line with classic grunge, AlternativeRock and NWOBHM on the mid end of the MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness. They are generally more acclaimed than regular post-grunge. These include:

* 10 Years (along with Chevelle, the most Tool influenced of the lot)
* Adelitas Way
* Music/AllThatRemains (began as straight MelodicDeathMetal, evolved into [[{{Metalcore}} Melodic Metalcore]] (Metalcore with heavy Melodeath influences) and started to display prominent post-grunge influences sometime around ''Overcome'')
* Music/AlterBridge ([[TheBandMinusTheFace made of Creed minus Scott Stapp]]... [[SurprisinglyImprovedSequel and they became better for it]]. Possibly the only post-grunge band in existence who overlaps with {{progressive rock}} and {{speed metal}}).
* BreakingBenjamin (one of the most beloved examples)
* Burn Halo
* Cavo (their song "Champagne" was a number one hit on rock radio in 2009).
* Chevelle (most obvious example of the Tool influence within Alt-metal[=/=]post-grunge)
* Cryoshell ( Mixed with SymphonicMetal , and they have a definite music/{{Evanescence}} influence )
* Decyfer Down
* DrowningPool (third album onward)
* Egypt Central
* The Exies
* Filter (crosses over with IndustrialMetal)
* Finger Eleven (best known for the hits "One Thing" and "Paralyzer.")
* {{Flyleaf}} (a rare female-fronted example of such).
* Music/{{Godsmack}} (most obvious example of the Alice in Chains influence within Alt-metal[=/=]post-grunge. Also arguably the heaviest example.)
* Halestorm (like Flyleaf, they have a female lead singer).
* Nonpoint (only on ''Development'' and ''Miracle'')
* Onesidezero (another Tool influenced band, though their second of two albums lacks most of the post grunge, is more of an alternative metal / post hardcore mix with a hint of Thrash)
* Presence (last album only)
* Red ( A ChristianRock example)
* Saliva (bordering on nu-metal for their early work)
* Music/{{Seether}}
* {{Sevendust}} (not always, but a lot of their more radio-friendly material leans towards this)
* Shinedown (varies by the MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness for which genre they fit in more)
* Sixx:A.M. (A rock trio featuring Music/MotleyCrue's Nikki Sixx who recorded two albums to accompany his autobiographies; their sound is far removed from that of Sixx's former band.)
* [=SOiL=] (not coincidentally, their original singer Ryan [=McCombs=] went on to join Drowning Pool and play on their third album, while Shaun Glass decided to rejoin Broken Hope when that band reformed in 2012)
* Staind (have had run-ins with the nu-metal label)
* Stereomud
* Stone Sour ({{Slipknot}} vocalist Corey Taylor occasionally lapses into this genre when singing melodically)
* Taproot (have had run-ins with the nu-metal label)
* Thousand Foot Krutch
* ThreeDaysGrace (later work showcases their post-grunge side more)
* Trapt (as mentioned above about modern rock groups being labeled post-grunge, Trapt is probably one of the many victims of this)
* The Veer Union

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Here's [[TVTropesWikiDrinkingGame a way to pass the time]]: count how many of these bands:

* Come from UsefulNotes/{{California}}, [[DeepSouth the southern]] [[{{Eagleland}} US]], or [[CanadaEh western Canada]].
** There's a good reason for the last one. Nickelback is from UsefulNotes/{{Vancouver}}, and Chad Kroeger loves seeking out bands that sound similar to his own so he can sign them (in the hopes of "bringing back rock n' roll").
* Insist on being called [[RockNRoll straight-rock]], AlternativeRock, or "real" {{grunge}}.
* Either have a vocal {{hatedom}}, or are (more charitably) viewed as [[SoOkayItsAverage middle-of-the-road]], [[GuiltyPleasure comfort-food]] rock.
* [[NotChristianRock Have been called]] ChristianRock at some point. Bonus points if they actually ''did'' start out as a Christian rock band (Switchfoot is one example).
* Have a member with a Music/KurtCobain-like shaggy hair cut and goatee combo.
** Chad Kroeger actually seemed to evolve into it. When Nickelback first came around, his hair was very long and he had a beard.
** John Foreman from Switchfoot also evolved into it due to pressure from record executives to look edgier. When the band started, Foreman had short, spiked hair with very little gruff. Foreman has had the same look since 2003.
* [[NoseYodeling Sing]] like [[Music/PearlJam Eddie Vedder]] or (with some bands) [[KurtCobain Kurt]] [[{{Nirvana}} Cobain]].
** Or in light of this, claim their vocalizations were influenced by [[TheDoors Jim Morrison]].
* Have [[http://www.last.fm/tag/post-grunge major radio success]].
* You've heard a softer SignatureSong of on the radio lately? (possibly an acoustic ballad)
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJsoquu70o Blurry - Puddle of Mudd]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrr3lRLjZ1Y Cold - Crossfade]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecXL_W2ZgWA Higher - Creed]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p5VBBMxMPE How You Remind Me - Nickelback]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=araU0fZj6oQ It's Been A While - Staind]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL2ZwXj1tXM Never Too Late - Three Days Grace]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTVl2GeNfqI Remedy - Seether]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25ORRgLxdA Second Chance - Shinedown]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAocvKHUidg Wasting My Time - Default]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAP9AF6DCu4 Wherever You Will Go - The Calling]]
** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPBzTxZQG5Q Here Without You - 3 Doors Down]]
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12th Feb '14 8:53:04 AM Riana1
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* Skillet

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* SkilletSkillet (Which is also one of the most famous examples of ChristianRock)
7th Feb '14 9:21:16 PM henry42
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* Music/FooFighters ([[{{Irony}} ironic]], [[{{Music/Nirvana}} considering]]...)

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* Music/FooFighters ([[{{Irony}} ironic]], considering [[{{Music/Nirvana}} considering]]...the band's origins]]...)
23rd Dec '13 1:01:41 PM azraelfinalstar
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* Cryoshell ( Mixed with SymphonicMetal , and they have a definite music/{{Evanescence}} influence )



* Onesidezero (another Tool influenced band, though their second of two albums lacks most of the post grunge, is more of an alternative metal / post hardcore mix)

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* Onesidezero (another Tool influenced band, though their second of two albums lacks most of the post grunge, is more of an alternative metal / post hardcore mix)mix with a hint of Thrash)
15th Dec '13 4:00:25 PM JIKTV
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The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and [=Whitesnake=] than Music/{{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.

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The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and [=Whitesnake=] Music/{{Whitesnake}} than Music/{{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.
15th Dec '13 3:59:38 PM JIKTV
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The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and WhiteSnake than {{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.

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The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and WhiteSnake [=Whitesnake=] than {{Nirvana}}; Music/{{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.
16th Nov '13 12:56:20 PM SelMelvins
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[[PostSomethingism Post]]-grunge is a derivative of {{Grunge}} music that became popular in the late 90s. The genre is primarily marked by its use of the apathetic, droning vocals, downtuned guitars and HardRock[=/=][[PunkRock Punk]] aesthetics commonly associated with Grunge, but also removing the unusual structures and [[ProgressiveRock prog-like]] time signatures that Grunge was also known for, [[LighterAndSofter then slowing it down]]. In other words, taking, running-with and exploiting the more commercially viable qualities of Grunge while watering down its oddity and offending harshness. Yeah, this genre [[InternetBackdraft doesn't go over well]] with the underground music scene, and its large popularity is sometimes accused of causing AlternativeRock to lose its experimental qualities. Not to mention the genre's existence has lead to numerous bands previously snatched up by major labels after Music/{{Nirvana}}'s breakthrough being unceremoniously dumped[[note]]like Boredoms, Music/ButtholeSurfers and Music/{{Jawbox}}, to name a few[[/note]].

The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with sombre, brooding lyrics. In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and WhiteSnake than {{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.

The rise of Post-grunge has gone to dominate and even embed itself in the standardly recognized sound of {{hard rock}} [[SmallReferencePools as most people can hear]], creating the assumption that Post-grunge is the only form of modern rock. This has had the flip-side effect of some of the more straight-forward, contemporary rock groups [[note]]The kind who take their influence from the deep-seated 70's and 80's hard rock staples (Black Stone Cherry, Rev Theory, Hinder, Saving Abel, Buckcherry, Pop Evil, My Darkest Days, etc.)[[/note]] being lumped in with post-grunge, despite having no or next-to no alternative qualities in their rock[[note]]Nickelback is a particularly odd case of this, taking on a more stadium/pop sound in their later albums and thus joining this group while still carrying the post-grunge label as an ArtifactTitle, probably because of their lead singer's scratchy voice[[/note]]. There is a bit of cross-over involved as well: Saliva, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down and Daughtry like to dabble in/pay tribute to "regular" hard rock when they can, adding to this confusion. It seems the only way to escape this is to play ''very'' old-fashioned retro-rock, such as Music/GarageRock revival, new BluesRock, [[PsychedelicRock neo-psychedelia]], [[Music/HeavyMetal traditional-metal revival]] or [[PopRevival modernized]] PowerPop.

For better or worse, the genre's stylings have entered most current popular music to some degree, and it isn't showing any signs of slowing down. Also note that ([[MST3KMantra repeat after me]]) ''[[TropesAreNotBad good Post-grunge does exist]]''. Try to avoid the particularly grating examples.

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[[PostSomethingism Post]]-grunge is a derivative of {{Grunge}} music that became popular in the late 90s. The genre is primarily marked by its use of the apathetic, droning vocals, downtuned guitars and HardRock[=/=][[PunkRock Punk]] aesthetics commonly associated with Grunge, but also removing the unusual structures and [[ProgressiveRock prog-like]] time signatures that Grunge was artists such as The Melvins were also known for, [[LighterAndSofter then slowing it down]].down]] but not to the level of [[DoomMetal doom metal]]. In other words, taking, running-with and exploiting the more commercially viable qualities of Grunge while watering down its oddity and offending harshness. Yeah, this genre [[InternetBackdraft doesn't go over well]] with the underground music scene, and its large popularity is sometimes accused of causing AlternativeRock to lose its experimental qualities. Not to mention the genre's existence has lead to numerous bands previously snatched up by major labels after Music/{{Nirvana}}'s breakthrough being unceremoniously dumped[[note]]like Boredoms, Music/ButtholeSurfers and Music/{{Jawbox}}, to name a few[[/note]].

The genre has been known to use the rock-like compositions and structure often rejected by their predecessors in Grunge, modernized with introspective sombre, brooding lyrics.lyrics of personal struggles and battling with one's demons (such as drug addiction or breakups). In this sense, the movement could be considered ([[{{Irony}} ironically]]) the SpiritualSuccessor to HairMetal, whose pop beats and polished production brought heavy rock to a widespread audience (Post-grunge is also well known for its "soul-searching" ballads). Ironically, many post-grunge bands take more influence from Poison, Cinderella and WhiteSnake than {{Nirvana}}; post-grunge players generally think of the old grunge-greats as idols/heroes rather than influences, with more of an interest in stylistic emulation over artistic aspiration (the subtle difference between a direct or indirect influence from grunge can affect how well-received a post-grunge band is, both critically and to their audience). Post-Grunge tends to focus more on lyrical structure than music, [[DoingItForTheArt often the opposite stance]] [[WordSaladLyrics of early grunge artists]]. Though the genre is rooted primarily in AlternativeRock, make no mistake: Post-grunge was tailor-made for the mainstream mainstream, and is what helped Alternative become rooted as 'Mainstream' music. [[note]]Notice that [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Mainstream_Rock_Tracks Billboard's Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks']] record-holders are almost entirely post-grunge bands.[[/note]] In essence, it took no influence from what Grunge was, but took every influence from what Grunge became: a commercial darling.

The rise of Post-grunge has gone to dominate and even embed itself in the standardly recognized sound of {{hard rock}} [[SmallReferencePools as most people can hear]], creating the assumption that Post-grunge is is, along with Emo and Pop punk, the only form of modern rock. This has had the flip-side effect of some of the more straight-forward, contemporary rock groups [[note]]The kind who take their influence from the deep-seated 70's and 80's hard rock staples (Black Stone Cherry, Rev Theory, Hinder, Saving Abel, Buckcherry, Pop Evil, My Darkest Days, etc.)[[/note]] being lumped in with post-grunge, despite having no or next-to no alternative qualities in their rock[[note]]Nickelback is a particularly odd case of this, taking on a more stadium/pop sound in their later albums and thus joining this group while still carrying the post-grunge label as an ArtifactTitle, probably because of their lead singer's scratchy voice[[/note]]. There is a bit of cross-over involved as well: Saliva, Shinedown, 3 Doors Down and Daughtry like to dabble in/pay tribute to "regular" hard rock when they can, adding to this confusion. It If one isn't punk or extreme metal, it seems the only way to escape this is to play ''very'' old-fashioned retro-rock, such as Music/GarageRock revival, new BluesRock, [[PsychedelicRock neo-psychedelia]], [[Music/HeavyMetal traditional-metal revival]] revival]], [[Music/DoomMetal retro-metal revival]], or [[PopRevival modernized]] PowerPop.

For better or worse, the genre's stylings have entered most current popular music to some degree, and it isn't showing any signs of slowing down. Also note that ([[MST3KMantra repeat after me]]) ''[[TropesAreNotBad good Post-grunge does exist]]''.exist]]'', often with some of the most reviled bands having some of the best gems that tend to not make the radio. Try to avoid the particularly grating examples.
8th Nov '13 7:11:18 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* [=SOil=] (not coincidentally, their original singer Ryan [=McCombs=] went on to join Drowning Pool and play on their third album)

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* [=SOil=] [=SOiL=] (not coincidentally, their original singer Ryan [=McCombs=] went on to join Drowning Pool and play on their third album)album, while Shaun Glass decided to rejoin Broken Hope when that band reformed in 2012)
12th Oct '13 8:12:26 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* Have been called ChristianRock at some point. Bonus points if they actually ''did'' start out as a Christian rock band (Switchfoot is one example).

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* [[NotChristianRock Have been called called]] ChristianRock at some point. Bonus points if they actually ''did'' start out as a Christian rock band (Switchfoot is one example).
12th Oct '13 8:11:43 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* Come from UsefulNotes/{{California}}, [[DeepSouth the southern]] [[{{Eagleland}} US]] or [[CanadaEh western Canada]].
** There's a good reason for the last one; Chad Kroeger loves seeking out bands who sound similar to himself so he can sign them (in the hopes of "bringing back rock n' roll"). This is a a side-effect of Nickelback being based out of {{Vancouver}}.
* Insist on being called [[RockNRoll straight-rock]], AlternativeRock or "real" {{grunge}}.

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* Come from UsefulNotes/{{California}}, [[DeepSouth the southern]] [[{{Eagleland}} US]] US]], or [[CanadaEh western Canada]].
** There's a good reason for the last one; one. Nickelback is from UsefulNotes/{{Vancouver}}, and Chad Kroeger loves seeking out bands who that sound similar to himself his own so he can sign them (in the hopes of "bringing back rock n' roll"). This is a a side-effect of Nickelback being based out of {{Vancouver}}.
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* Insist on being called [[RockNRoll straight-rock]], AlternativeRock AlternativeRock, or "real" {{grunge}}.



* Have been called ChristianRock at some point.
** Funny thing is that Switchfoot ''started'' as a Christian Rock act.
* Have a member with a [[Music/{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]]-like hair cut and goatee combo.
** Chad Kroeger actually seemed to evolve into it. When Nickelback first came around his hair was very long and he had a beard

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* Have been called ChristianRock at some point.
** Funny thing is that Switchfoot ''started''
point. Bonus points if they actually ''did'' start out as a Christian Rock act.
rock band (Switchfoot is one example).
* Have a member with a [[Music/{{Nirvana}} Kurt Cobain]]-like Music/KurtCobain-like shaggy hair cut and goatee combo.
** Chad Kroeger actually seemed to evolve into it. When Nickelback first came around around, his hair was very long and he had a beardbeard.



* [[NoseYodeling Sing]] like [[Music/PearlJam Eddie Vedder]] (or with some bands, [[KurtCobain Kurt]] [[{{Nirvana}} Cobain]].)

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* [[NoseYodeling Sing]] like [[Music/PearlJam Eddie Vedder]] (or with or (with some bands, bands) [[KurtCobain Kurt]] [[{{Nirvana}} Cobain]].)
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