History Main / PendulumWar

6th Jan '17 1:27:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* OlderThanFeudalism: In {{Homer}}'s ''Literature/TheIliad'' the Trojans beat the snot out of the Greeks (when [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles isn't around]]), the Greeks annihilating the Trojans (when Achilles ''is'' around).

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* OlderThanFeudalism: In {{Homer}}'s Creator/{{Homer}}'s ''Literature/TheIliad'' the Trojans beat the snot out of the Greeks (when [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles isn't around]]), the Greeks annihilating the Trojans (when Achilles ''is'' around).
23rd Nov '16 3:27:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* The entire {{MOBA}} sub-genre can be summed up as this: if one army isn't steamrolling the other towards their base, it's because they've just been destroyed by that base's defenses and the accumulated defenders are racing headlong towards their enemy's base, which... A variation on this kind of map (without heroes, just units) is called TugOfWar on ''StarcraftII''.

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* The entire {{MOBA}} sub-genre can be summed up as this: if one army isn't steamrolling the other towards their base, it's because they've just been destroyed by that base's defenses and the accumulated defenders are racing headlong towards their enemy's base, which... A variation on this kind of map (without heroes, just units) is called TugOfWar on ''StarcraftII''.''VideoGame/StarcraftII''.
10th Oct '16 10:03:51 AM Morgenthaler
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** Justified by the wildly divergent nature of Chaos troops. Most Chaos forces are barely-controlled rabble, generally undisciplined and unskilled, with poor structure, no squad support weapons, and "armor" an average dune buggy could beat in a fight, if they have armor at all. On the other hand, elite Chaos troops are hardened fanatics, literally [[TrainingFromHell trained from hell]], with plenty of heavy weapons, Chaos [[TankGoodness Leman Russes and Baneblades]], and often backup from Chaos Space Marines, alien mercenaries, or other SuperSoldiers. There isn't a whole lot of middle ground between the crap and the elites.
10th Oct '16 10:03:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* Both used and averted in the ''GauntsGhosts'' series; the titular Ghosts are usually either handing the assorted minions of Chaos their mutated Chaotic rears, or they're royally getting their own kicked. Even in the battles they win, they usually suffer some casualties.

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* Both used and averted in the ''GauntsGhosts'' ''Literature/GauntsGhosts'' series; the titular Ghosts are usually either handing the assorted minions of Chaos their mutated Chaotic rears, or they're royally getting their own kicked. Even in the battles they win, they usually suffer some casualties.
3rd Jul '16 10:59:07 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* Largely averted in ''{{Anime/Robotech}}''. Even the winning side in the battles takes heavy losses, and Earth manages to do ''some'' damage even when using a few early space weapons against the massive and technologically superior Zentraedi fleet.

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* Largely averted in ''{{Anime/Robotech}}''.''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross''/''{{Anime/Robotech}}''. Even the winning side in the battles takes heavy losses, and Earth manages to do ''some'' damage even when using a few early space weapons against the massive and technologically superior Zentraedi fleet.
24th May '16 11:52:53 PM PaulA
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* In Creator/{{David Gemmell}}'s ''Legend'' the fortress of Dros Delnoch is designed with this in mind. It has seven walls and the Nadir invaders have to take each of them in frontal assault. The Drenai defenders can inflict massive casualties on the attackers but sooner or later a wall will be breached and the defenders will have to retreat to the next wall. During this retreat the attackers will have a chance to inflict extreme casualties on the defenders. The defense's leaders wisely concede the first wall after only a few days since their troops are still green enough to rout if forced into a fighting retreat. When the third wall is breached, a large group of defenders are trapped and are slaughtered. The siege then continues in this manner with the Nadir taking hundreds of casualties until they can break the defense of a wall and then it is the Drenai's turn to be slaughtered. As the fighting progresses, morale on both sides suffers and it is up to the champions of each side to inspire their fellow soldiers to keep going. Subsequently the various Drenai heroes have to perform {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s in order give the defenders time to recover from a wall being lost to the Nadir.
8th Jan '16 5:09:04 AM jormis29
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* ''{{Troy}}'' oscillates wildly between Trojans beating the snot out of the Greeks (when [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles isn't around]]) and Greeks annihilating the Trojans (when Achilles ''is'' around). This is actually a case of TruthInTelevision since the source material overestimates the effectiveness of heroes during the battle (see the [[Literature/TheIliad entry on the Iliad]]).

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* ''{{Troy}}'' ''Film/{{Troy}}'' oscillates wildly between Trojans beating the snot out of the Greeks (when [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles isn't around]]) and Greeks annihilating the Trojans (when Achilles ''is'' around). This is actually a case of TruthInTelevision since the source material overestimates the effectiveness of heroes during the battle (see the [[Literature/TheIliad entry on the Iliad]]).
14th Nov '15 5:40:05 PM nombretomado
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* Largely averted in ''{{Robotech}}''. Even the winning side in the battles takes heavy losses, and Earth manages to do ''some'' damage even when using a few early space weapons against the massive and technologically superior Zentraedi fleet.

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* Largely averted in ''{{Robotech}}''.''{{Anime/Robotech}}''. Even the winning side in the battles takes heavy losses, and Earth manages to do ''some'' damage even when using a few early space weapons against the massive and technologically superior Zentraedi fleet.
17th Sep '15 9:09:14 AM MarkLungo
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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over its opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over its opponents for a time. However However, all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s {{Horse Archer}}s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle BornInTheSaddle, but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result result, at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore Furthermore, the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
17th Sep '15 9:08:06 AM MarkLungo
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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's its opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
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