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24th May '16 11:52:53 PM PaulA
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* In Creator/{{David Gemmell}}'s ''Legend'' the fortress of Dros Delnoch is designed with this in mind. It has seven walls and the Nadir invaders have to take each of them in frontal assault. The Drenai defenders can inflict massive casualties on the attackers but sooner or later a wall will be breached and the defenders will have to retreat to the next wall. During this retreat the attackers will have a chance to inflict extreme casualties on the defenders. The defense's leaders wisely concede the first wall after only a few days since their troops are still green enough to rout if forced into a fighting retreat. When the third wall is breached, a large group of defenders are trapped and are slaughtered. The siege then continues in this manner with the Nadir taking hundreds of casualties until they can break the defense of a wall and then it is the Drenai's turn to be slaughtered. As the fighting progresses, morale on both sides suffers and it is up to the champions of each side to inspire their fellow soldiers to keep going. Subsequently the various Drenai heroes have to perform {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s in order give the defenders time to recover from a wall being lost to the Nadir.
8th Jan '16 5:09:04 AM jormis29
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* ''{{Troy}}'' oscillates wildly between Trojans beating the snot out of the Greeks (when [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles isn't around]]) and Greeks annihilating the Trojans (when Achilles ''is'' around). This is actually a case of TruthInTelevision since the source material overestimates the effectiveness of heroes during the battle (see the [[Literature/TheIliad entry on the Iliad]]).

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* ''{{Troy}}'' ''Film/{{Troy}}'' oscillates wildly between Trojans beating the snot out of the Greeks (when [[AchillesInHisTent Achilles isn't around]]) and Greeks annihilating the Trojans (when Achilles ''is'' around). This is actually a case of TruthInTelevision since the source material overestimates the effectiveness of heroes during the battle (see the [[Literature/TheIliad entry on the Iliad]]).
14th Nov '15 5:40:05 PM nombretomado
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* Largely averted in ''{{Robotech}}''. Even the winning side in the battles takes heavy losses, and Earth manages to do ''some'' damage even when using a few early space weapons against the massive and technologically superior Zentraedi fleet.

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* Largely averted in ''{{Robotech}}''.''{{Anime/Robotech}}''. Even the winning side in the battles takes heavy losses, and Earth manages to do ''some'' damage even when using a few early space weapons against the massive and technologically superior Zentraedi fleet.
17th Sep '15 9:09:14 AM MarkLungo
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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over its opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over its opponents for a time. However However, all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s {{Horse Archer}}s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle BornInTheSaddle, but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result result, at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore Furthermore, the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
17th Sep '15 9:08:06 AM MarkLungo
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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's its opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
17th Sep '15 9:07:38 AM MarkLungo
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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars, The UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, the UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars, The UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, the UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
17th Sep '15 9:07:07 AM MarkLungo
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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars, The UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, the UsefulNotes/GreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.

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* A recognizable theme in warfare among Europeans and European-inspired military cultures. One side will find some technical advantage and roll over it's opponents for a time. However all occidental armies were formed in an environment so similar that it is impossible to find a technique that is incomprehensible; for instance HorseArcher s needed a culture that was BornInTheSaddle but Panzers were made by a culture similar enough to Britain, US, and Russia that they could be countered or copied sooner or later. As a result at some time there comes a point where the advantage of experience added to technical knowledge in the superior side does not make up for losses in officers, while their victims have gained enough experience to compete. Furthermore the originally successful power frightens others into taking the side of the loser to preserve the BalanceOfPower. Examples of this are the UsefulNotes/NapoleonicWars, The UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar, the UsefulNotes/GreatNorthernWar, UsefulNotes/TheGreatNorthernWar, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
18th Aug '15 7:18:19 AM Prfnoff
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* ''SavingPrivateRyan'' averts this: the opening Omaha Beach sequence is one of the most realistic and unglamorous portrayals of war, ''ever'', in a Hollywood film. The winning side suffers great casualties almost from the start, and Captain Miller, the film's "hero", is just another insignificant soldier. Same with the final battle: long and hard, with the winning side suffering great casualties, and the victory is due to the collective efforts of the EnsembleCast.

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* ''SavingPrivateRyan'' ''Film/SavingPrivateRyan'' averts this: the opening Omaha Beach StormingTheBeaches sequence is one of the most realistic and unglamorous portrayals of war, ''ever'', in a Hollywood film. The winning side suffers great casualties almost from the start, and Captain Miller, the film's "hero", is just another insignificant soldier. Same with the final battle: long and hard, with the winning side suffering great casualties, and the victory is due to the collective efforts of the EnsembleCast.



* ''BattleLosAngeles'' features a surprise Alien attack, then the Marines get sent in with air support and seem to be coming out on top. [[spoiler: Only for alien aircraft to turn up, wipe out the FOB and dominate the battle. Then our heroes decide to go back into enemy territory, destroy a control centre and suddenly they're dominating.]]

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* ''BattleLosAngeles'' ''Film/BattleLosAngeles'' features a surprise Alien attack, then the Marines get sent in with air support and seem to be coming out on top. [[spoiler: Only for alien aircraft to turn up, wipe out the FOB and dominate the battle. Then our heroes decide to go back into enemy territory, destroy a control centre and suddenly they're dominating.]]
8th Jul '15 6:18:29 PM Prfnoff
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* ''AceCombat Zero'' had Operation: Battleaxe (the 10th mission, Mayhem), where the allied air forces fought against the Belkan Air Force over the Round Table. Initially it became one sided in favor of the Belkans with almost the allies shot down. Then the Galm Team (consisting of ''two'' fighters) comes and turned the tide of battle. It was actually because of this battle that the Belkans knew they were going to [[HopelessWar lose]].
* PrincessWaltz is the [[OneManArmy One Girl Army]] variant of this trope, constantly [[CurbStompBattle curp-stomping one another]] until one side is OutGambited
* The final battle against the Sith Fleet in KnightsOfTheOldRepublic turns out this way if you redeem or kill [[spoiler: Bastila]] - but if you choose the Dark Side path, it rapidly goes from "[[CurbStompBattle Sith victory in progress]]" to "[[TheBadGuyWins complete annihilation of the Republic fleet]]". This is due to [[spoiler: her Battle Meditation; generally whoever she's supporting, if anyone, has the upper hand]].

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* ''AceCombat Zero'' ''VideoGame/AceCombatZeroTheBelkanWar'' had Operation: Battleaxe (the 10th mission, Mayhem), where the allied air forces fought against the Belkan Air Force over the Round Table. Initially it became one sided in favor of the Belkans with almost the allies shot down. Then the Galm Team (consisting of ''two'' fighters) comes and turned the tide of battle. It was actually because of this battle that the Belkans knew they were going to [[HopelessWar lose]].
* PrincessWaltz ''VisualNovel/PrincessWaltz'' is the [[OneManArmy One Girl Army]] variant of this trope, constantly [[CurbStompBattle curp-stomping one another]] until one side is OutGambited
* The final battle against the Sith Fleet in KnightsOfTheOldRepublic ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' turns out this way if you redeem or kill [[spoiler: Bastila]] - but if you choose the Dark Side path, it rapidly goes from "[[CurbStompBattle Sith victory in progress]]" to "[[TheBadGuyWins complete annihilation of the Republic fleet]]". This is due to [[spoiler: her Battle Meditation; generally whoever she's supporting, if anyone, has the upper hand]].
4th Jul '15 3:29:06 PM nombretomado
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* Averted in ''LegendOfTheGalacticHeroes'', where many of the larger pitched battles are brutal stalemates with millions of casualties on each side, no matter who wins in the end. The camera frequently switches to the gory deaths of {{mooks}} from both sides to highlight the horrific human suffering caused by war. These scenes tend to be filler for the narrator's {{Author Tract}}s bemoaning the futility and hypocrisy of jingoism and violence.

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* Averted in ''LegendOfTheGalacticHeroes'', ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'', where many of the larger pitched battles are brutal stalemates with millions of casualties on each side, no matter who wins in the end. The camera frequently switches to the gory deaths of {{mooks}} from both sides to highlight the horrific human suffering caused by war. These scenes tend to be filler for the narrator's {{Author Tract}}s bemoaning the futility and hypocrisy of jingoism and violence.
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