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15th Jun '18 4:47:00 AM starofjusticev21
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*** It tried to defy this a little bit by having something called "Level X," which can't effectively be measured and has the capacity to be infinite. Not a lot was done with it though, and the one Rider who had such a level, Genm, was usually demonstrably overpowered by more prominent Riders who ''did'' have numerical levels or whose powers were specifically created to outclass everything else in the show at the point they were introduced. One of the heroes did get a Level X form in an epilogue movie that made him powerful to fight Genm's new overpowered god mode.

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*** It tried to defy this a little bit by having something called "Level X," X" which can't effectively be definitively measured and has the capacity to be infinite. Not Despite being introduced like it was going to be a really big deal, not a lot was done with it though, it, and the one main Rider who had such a level, Genm, was usually demonstrably overpowered by more prominent other Riders who ''did'' have numerical levels or whose powers were specifically created to outclass everything else in the show at the point they were introduced.introduced (Genm himself creating a new power token near the end to outclass another villain's powers). One of the heroes did get a Level X form in an epilogue movie that made him powerful to fight Genm's new overpowered god mode.
14th Jun '18 12:26:12 AM Hanz
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that they are paired with an appropriate nemesis. The system was started after a particularly weak villain attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing counts as a Level 4.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that they are paired with an appropriate nemesis. The system was started after a particularly weak villain [[BoisterousWeakling overconfident villain]] attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing and one henchman counts as a Level 4.
10th Jun '18 1:23:49 PM starofjusticev21
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*** It tried to defy this a little bit by having something called "Level X," which can't effectively be measured and has the capacity to be infinite. Not a lot was done with it though, and the one Rider who had such a level, Genm, was usually demonstrably outclassed by more prominent villains who ''did'' have numerical levels or whose powers were specifically created to outclass everything else in the show. One of the heroes did get a Level X form in an epilogue movie that made him powerful to fight Genm's new overpowered god mode.

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*** It tried to defy this a little bit by having something called "Level X," which can't effectively be measured and has the capacity to be infinite. Not a lot was done with it though, and the one Rider who had such a level, Genm, was usually demonstrably outclassed overpowered by more prominent villains Riders who ''did'' have numerical levels or whose powers were specifically created to outclass everything else in the show.show at the point they were introduced. One of the heroes did get a Level X form in an epilogue movie that made him powerful to fight Genm's new overpowered god mode.
10th Jun '18 1:22:05 PM starofjusticev21
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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' is based on video games, and as such all of the [[TransformationTrinket Gashats]] and forms have distinct Levels attached, starting with the distinctly SuperDeformed Level 1 and normal-looking Level 2. RankInflation soon kicks in, as the characters skip more and more levels with each successive power-up until they get all the way to 99. Some Riders at the absolute pinnacle of the scale don't even have a defined Level at all.

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** ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' is based on video games, and as such all of the [[TransformationTrinket Gashats]] and forms have distinct Levels attached, starting with the distinctly SuperDeformed Level 1 and normal-looking Level 2. RankInflation soon kicks in, as the characters skip more and more levels with each successive power-up until they get all the way to 99. Some Riders at the absolute pinnacle of the scale don't even have a defined Level at all. It was used in an epilogue movie
*** It tried to defy this a little bit by having something called "Level X," which can't effectively be measured and has the capacity to be infinite. Not a lot was done with it though, and the one Rider who had such a level, Genm, was usually demonstrably outclassed by more prominent villains who ''did'' have numerical levels or whose powers were specifically created to outclass everything else in the show. One of the heroes did get a Level X form in an epilogue movie that made him powerful to fight Genm's new overpowered god mode.
17th May '18 5:10:51 PM VeryMelon
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* Done quite frequently in ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'', [[JustifiedTrope justified somewhat]] by the way the game operates in both series. And in the [[TabletopGame/YuGiOh actual game]], as well, though one has to wonder by what scale they're able to determine the Attack and Defense powers of the monsters... or their monster level, for that matter. It's said somewhere that the "average" monster has 1500 attack and defense power. ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' doesn't use exponential power growth like DBZ, making 9000 mean a lot even late in the series.

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* Done quite frequently in every ''Anime/YuGiOh'' and ''Anime/YuGiOhGX'', anime series, [[JustifiedTrope justified somewhat]] justified]] by the way the game operates in both series. And in the [[TabletopGame/YuGiOh actual game]], game]] operates in real life, as well, though one has to wonder by what scale they're able to determine the Attack and Defense powers of the monsters... or their monster level, for that matter. It's said somewhere that the "average" monster has 1500 attack and defense power. ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' doesn't use exponential power growth like DBZ, making 9000 mean a lot even late in the series.
5th Apr '18 5:37:35 AM Hanz
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that villains find a fitting archnemesis who fit them. The system was started after a particularly weak villain attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing counts as a Level 4.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that villains find a fitting archnemesis who fit them.they are paired with an appropriate nemesis. The system was started after a particularly weak villain attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing counts as a Level 4.
4th Apr '18 8:34:06 PM Hanz
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that villains find a fitting archnemesis who fit them. The system was started after a particularly weak villain attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing counts as a Level 4.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'', ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that villains find a fitting archnemesis who fit them. The system was started after a particularly weak villain attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing counts as a Level 4.
4th Apr '18 8:33:44 PM Hanz
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'', [[NebulousEvilOrganisation the Guild of Calamitous Intent]] ranks their villains on an "Equally Matched Aggression Level" in order to make sure that villains find a fitting archnemesis who fit them. The system was started after a particularly weak villain attempted to kidnap Rusty Venture as a child and was [[CurbStompBattle very quickly murdered]] by [[PsychoForHire Action Man]]. The system is based on the resources the villain has at their disposal: A villain with an army of henchmen and their own base counts as a Level 10 while a villain with nothing but the costume they're wearing counts as a Level 4.
4th Apr '18 5:13:32 AM KBABZ
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** The TropeNamers and {{Trope Codifier}}s are probably the readings off of the ki-detecting scouters from ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' ("It's over nine thousaaaaand!"). The original Japanese version, however, has Vegeta saying "It's over 8000!" instead:

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** The TropeNamers and probable {{Trope Codifier}}s are probably the readings off of ki-based Battle Powers from ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', known in the West as Power Levels. Just as iconic are the ki-detecting scouters from ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' Scouters ("It's over nine thousaaaaand!"). The original Japanese version, however, has Vegeta saying "It's over 8000!" instead:



** Even though ''Dragon Ball'' popularized the trope, the entire point was that it was an UnbuiltTrope. Toriyama has stated in numerous interviews and commentaries that Power Levels were never meant to be an accurate representation of a character's abilities. Valor, focus, and purity of heart were supposed to be where someone's true power came from. However, the reason they caught on is that, aside from a few outliers (usually whoever was supposed to be TheHero of the current arc), [[BrokenAesop whenever we did hear about Power Levels, the character with the higher number almost invariably won]]. Also, there was very little reason given in-universe for why one character's feelings pushed them into a new TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening and others' didn't. Because of this, a lot of people [[MisaimedFandom took power levels completely straight]].
** Despite frequent breakage, they kept showing up until well into the Frieza Saga, at which point the numbers start exceeding [[PinballScoring 6 digits]]. The highest number given in-series was Frieza, at over a million in his second form; both he and Goku exceeded that level with additional transformations, but all the scouters on the planet had already been destroyed by that point.[[note]]One of the Daizenshuu official guide books lists Frieza's maximum power level as 120,000,000, and Super Saiyan Goku's as 150,000,000.[[/note]] Characters could still sense power levels naturally, but their commentary never went beyond, "I've never felt such a strong Ki!"

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** Even though ''Dragon Ball'' popularized the trope, the entire point was that it was an UnbuiltTrope. UnbuiltTrope, thanks to a reliance on the Scouter's numbers and the heroes being able to suppress their Battle Powers. Over the course of the Saiyan and Frieza sagas, nearly every villain will 1) Read a hero's weak Battle Power and reason they aren't worth fighting, 2) Be shocked when they then raise their power to insane heights, 3) Attack anyway whilst claiming the Scouter is on the fritz, then 4) Have their ass handed to them. So pervasive is this among Frieza's men that even ''King Cold'' is convinced that Trunks was able to kill his son Frieza thanks to his sword rather than his Battle Power. As a result, several characters criticize their opponents for putting too much stock in the number readings rather than using their instincts and the evidence right in front of them[[note]]Case in point: when Goku fights Jeice and Burter, he keeps his power suppressed until the instant he strikes them. This is quick enough that their Scouters don't detect any change, and instead of adjusting they instead refuse the evidence and angrily attack out of protest and pride, leading to their defeat[[/note]].
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Toriyama has stated in numerous interviews and commentaries that Power Levels were never meant to be an accurate representation of a character's abilities. Valor, focus, and purity of heart were supposed to be where someone's true power came from. However, the reason they caught on is that, aside from a few outliers (usually whoever was supposed to be TheHero of the current arc), [[BrokenAesop whenever we did hear about Power Levels, the character with the higher number almost invariably won]]. Also, there was very little reason given in-universe for why one character's feelings pushed them into a new TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening and others' didn't. Because of this, a lot of people [[MisaimedFandom took power levels completely straight]].
** Despite frequent breakage, they kept showing up until well into the Frieza Saga, at which point the numbers start exceeding [[PinballScoring 6 digits]]. The highest number given in-series was Frieza, at over a million in his second form; both he and Goku exceeded that level with additional transformations, but all the scouters Scouters on the planet had already been destroyed by that point.point ([[ReadingsBlewUpTheScale not that they could read them]]).[[note]]One of the Daizenshuu official guide books lists Frieza's maximum power level as 120,000,000, and Super Saiyan Goku's as 150,000,000.[[/note]] Characters could still sense power levels naturally, but their commentary never went beyond, "I've never felt such a strong Ki!"
27th Mar '18 8:33:11 AM Prometheus117
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** Both Accelerator and the 2nd-ranked level 5 esper, Kakine Teitoku, have powers ranked at a god-like level, and are the only ones theoretically able to reach the hypothetical Level 6. Kakine claims that even if he fights all the armies in the world and every esper in Academy City at the same time, he can emerge victorious and unharmed. Given what we've seen him do, ''there is no reason to assume that this isn't an accurate assessment of his abilities''([[spoiler: although he was defeated by Accelerator, a fellow level 5 esper]]). Likewise, Accelerator claims that it is fully within his power to annihilate all life on Earth or even destroy the planet itself... but he has no interest in doing either one of those things (a destroyed or lifeless planet would be ''boring'').
** Ironically, Touma is classified as Level 0 because he registers as normal when scanned, even though his [[PowerNullifier Imagine]] [[AntiMagic Breaker]] easily trumps everyone else's powers, even Accelerator's. Some people are aware that he has a power, but his power can't be measured. To put it simply, if Mikoto throws a railgun at Touma and he nullifies it, then it is "stronger than the railgun". But a railgun is already strong enough to kill a human, so it's not a good idea to "throw stuff at Touma until he can no longer stop it," because by the time they discover something he can't nullify, it will kill him.

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** Both Accelerator and the 2nd-ranked level 5 esper, Kakine Teitoku, have powers ranked at a god-like level, and are the only ones theoretically able to reach the hypothetical Level 6.6 [[spoiler:naturally]]. Kakine claims that even if he fights all the armies in the world and every esper in Academy City at the same time, he can emerge victorious and unharmed. Given what we've seen him do, ''there is no reason to assume that this isn't an accurate assessment of his abilities''([[spoiler: although abilities''([[spoiler:although he was defeated by Accelerator, a fellow level 5 esper]]). Likewise, Accelerator claims that it is fully within his power to annihilate all life on Earth or even destroy the planet itself... but he has no interest in doing either one of those things (a destroyed or lifeless planet would be ''boring'').
''boring''). [[spoiler:[[ShockAndAwe Mikoto Misaka]], the third-ranked level 5, once underwent an artificial and unwilling power-up to reach level 6 via being forced to connect to the [[HiveMind MISAKA Network]] and absorbing the power of nearly 10,000 [[ClonesArePeopleToo of her clones]] at once, and despite not completing the transformation displayed feats of power that would have easily challenged Kakine and Accelerator at their best, with it being stated she could easily annihilate Academy City with one attack despite her incomplete state]].
** Ironically, Touma is classified as Level 0 because he registers as normal when scanned, even though his [[PowerNullifier Imagine]] [[AntiMagic Breaker]] easily trumps everyone else's powers, even Accelerator's. Some people are aware that he has a power, but his power can't be measured. To put it simply, if Mikoto throws a railgun at Touma and he nullifies it, then it is "stronger than the railgun". But a railgun is already strong enough to kill a human, so it's not a good idea to "throw stuff at Touma until he can no longer stop it," because by the time they discover something he can't nullify, it will kill him.him [[spoiler:assuming it doesn't release the [[EldritchAbomination Invisible Thing]] sealed by Imagine Breaker]].
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