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5th Jul '16 5:18:27 AM Bissek
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* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' series really suffers from this. Almost immediately after joining the Rebel Alliance, Luke is made a fighter pilot despite almost zero combat experience, by the time of ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' he's a commander, and a general by ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', not bad for someone who's canonically 19. Meanwhile Han is first a captain and then a general in the same amount of time, despite not officially joining the Rebellion until ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', and spending the period between ''[[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack Empire]]'' and ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Jedi]]'' in carbonite. Lando also gets made a general shortly after joining the Rebellion himself. It gets really silly during the Endor mission, where General Solo commands a squad of around ten people, including Luke (another general) and Leia, whose rank is never really defined, but appears to be somewhere between a political leader and a flag officer. At the very least Lando's mission (leading the assault on the Death Star II) was appropriate to his rank.

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* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' series really suffers from this. Almost immediately after joining the Rebel Alliance, Luke is made a fighter pilot despite almost zero combat experience, by the time of ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' he's a commander, and a general by ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', not bad for someone who's canonically 19. Meanwhile Han is first a captain and then a general in the same amount of time, despite not officially joining the Rebellion until ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', and spending the period between ''[[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack Empire]]'' and ''[[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi Jedi]]'' in carbonite. Lando also gets made a general shortly after joining the Rebellion himself.himself (Though mention is made of him having previous command experience, which might explain why he was given the rank). It gets really silly during the Endor mission, where General Solo commands a squad of around ten people, including Luke (another general) and Leia, whose rank is never really defined, but appears to be somewhere between a political leader and a flag officer. At the very least Lando's mission (leading the assault on the Death Star II) was appropriate to his rank.
15th Jun '16 6:43:38 PM Doug86
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** Some {{Truth In Television}} with this, as many of the high-ranking officers of {{World War One}} were educated in 19th century tactics, and still believed that bayonet charges would win battles, often sending soldiers charging to their deaths from machine gun fire by the thousands.

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** Some {{Truth In Television}} TruthInTelevision with this, as many of the high-ranking officers of {{World War One}} UsefulNotes/WorldWarI were educated in 19th century tactics, and still believed that bayonet charges would win battles, often sending soldiers charging to their deaths from machine gun fire by the thousands.
25th May '16 2:35:29 PM MRAustin
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* In the backstory of the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'', Piotyr Vorkosigan made full General in his early twenties. There was a war going on at the time, and the Emperor wasn't able to give him more substantial rewards for his services like supplies or reinforcements. Despite this, Piotyr proved himself a FourStarBadass, and kept that reputation well into his seventies, despite the nature of war on Barrayar evolving from cavalry tactics all the way into the space age over the course of his life.

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* In the backstory of the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'', Piotyr Piotr Vorkosigan made full General in his early twenties. There was a war going on at the time, and the Emperor wasn't able to give him more substantial rewards for his services like supplies or reinforcements. Despite this, Piotyr Piotr proved himself a FourStarBadass, and kept that reputation well into his seventies, despite the nature of war on Barrayar evolving from cavalry tactics all the way into the space age over the course of his life.life.
** Inverted with the head of Imperial Security through most of the series. It's not technically a military post - the Emperor points out once that while it has traditionally been held by a serving officer, there is no law that prevents him appointing a civilian - but it wields enormous power. When Simon Illyan takes the reigns, he is reluctant to promote himself above his predecessor, the legendary Captain Negri, and thus serves as a Captain for his entire career, while routinely tackling duties that are vital to the continued survival of Barrayar and commanding a force of thousands. He is drawing a Vice-Admiral's pay by the time of his retirement, though.
11th May '16 2:07:00 AM Doug86
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* Inverted in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars''. One trailer specifically shows a [=SolForce=] destroyer commanded by a Lieutenant. This is justified in the [[AllInTheManual background material]] due to humanity still recovering from various wars and nuclear devastation, so the [=SolForce=] ranks are a bit thin to afford a Commander for each ship, especially since destroyers are fairly tiny by starship standards (30 meters in length -- smaller than a Space Shuttle) and command a crew of a few dozen at most. Destroyers also drop like flies. The battlegroup in that trailer got wiped out in a matter of minutes. On the other hand, a destroyer still has enough firepower for OrbitalBombardment, killing millions if it's not stopped. So they put a WMD in the hands of a Lieutenant.

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* Inverted in ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars''. One trailer specifically shows a [=SolForce=] destroyer commanded by a Lieutenant. This is justified in the [[AllInTheManual [[AllThereInTheManual background material]] due to humanity still recovering from various wars and nuclear devastation, so the [=SolForce=] ranks are a bit thin to afford a Commander for each ship, especially since destroyers are fairly tiny by starship standards (30 meters in length -- smaller than a Space Shuttle) and command a crew of a few dozen at most. Destroyers also drop like flies. The battlegroup in that trailer got wiped out in a matter of minutes. On the other hand, a destroyer still has enough firepower for OrbitalBombardment, killing millions if it's not stopped. So they put a WMD in the hands of a Lieutenant.
6th Feb '16 7:39:33 AM Koveras
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* If s/he survives the fifth blight, the protagonist of DragonAgeOrigins is promoted to the rank of Warden Commander of Ferelden, the second highest rank in the [[NGOSuperpower Grey Wardens Order]] despite having joined the Order a mere year prior and being hinted as rather young in most origins. Justified as there's at most only two surviving Fereldan Grey Wardens, and the other one either doesn't want or cannot accept the job.

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* If s/he survives they survive the fifth blight, Fifth Blight, the protagonist of DragonAgeOrigins ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' is promoted to the rank of Warden Commander Warden-Commander of Ferelden, the second highest rank in the [[NGOSuperpower Grey Wardens Order]] despite having joined the Order a mere year prior and being hinted as rather young in most origins. [[MultipleGameOpenings origins]]. Justified as there's at most by the act that the protagonist is one of the only two surviving Fereldan Grey Wardens, and the other one either doesn't want or cannot accept the job.
29th Jan '16 6:27:49 PM Khathi
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* In a nonmilitary example, in ''Literature/{{GATE}}'', the Japanese Foreign Ministry sends Kouji Sugawara, a 30-something man, as an official envoy to the [[AlternateUniverse Special Region]]. In the Japanese diplomatic service, where the seniority is a ''very'' SeriousBusiness, this is ''ridiculously'' young for a plenipotentiary, and was probably done just because Sugawara, one of the ministry's innumerous aides and undersecretaries, [[WeHaveReserves was considered more or less expendable]], and should anything untoward happen to him, this wouldn't have hurt or embarrassed the real bigwigs. [[KaijuDefenceForce JSDF]], though, was pretty conventional in this regard, largely avoiding ArtisticLicenseMilitary, as the author is a [[WriteWhatYouKnow former military man himself]].
22nd Jan '16 4:43:51 PM Nixou2
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* If s/he survives the fifth blight, the protagonist of DragonAgeOrigins is promoted to the rank of Warden Commander of Ferelden, the second highest rank in the [[NGOSuperpower Grey Wardens Order]] despite having joined the Order a mere year prior and being hinted as rather young in most origins. Justified as there's at most only two surviving Fereldan Grey Wardens, and the other one either doesn't want or cannot accept the job.
6th Dec '15 4:11:20 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'': Tucker is chief ''engineer'' of the ''Enterprise'', not just the flagship but the ''most advanced human starship of the period''. Canonically, he cannot do '''basic algebra''' (episode ''Shuttlepod One'' for source of that).

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** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'': Tucker is chief ''engineer'' engineer of the ''Enterprise'', not just the flagship but the ''most most advanced human starship of the period''. period. Canonically, he cannot do '''basic algebra''' (episode ''Shuttlepod One'' for source of that).basic algebra as revealed in the episode "Shuttlepod One."



* Averted mostly on ''Series/{{JAG}}'', even though the investigations and field work done by Harm and Mac are borderline.
6th Dec '15 4:09:01 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Film/MusaTheWarrior'' has Choi-Jung, a young general who was obviously given his position because his father was a great general. He's inexperienced and unprepared for the difficulties his envoy gets into, which causes friction between him and some of the more experienced soldiers.
6th Dec '15 4:07:17 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** A justified/lampshaded example is Admiral Ozzel, who managed to become a high-ranking officer and fleet commander despite being terribly incompetent at his job. [[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] show that he only managed this because of family connections and that Darth Vader had been looking for an excuse to get rid of the moron for a long time. Ozzel's luck runs out in ''The Empire Strikes Back'' when he goes over Vader's head and blows a planned ambush as a result; Vader is so enraged that he just [[YouHaveFailedMe kills Ozzel on the spot]], promoting the legitimately skilled Piett to admiral.

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** A justified/lampshaded example is Admiral Ozzel, * ''Film/MusaTheWarrior'' has Choi-Jung, a young general who managed to become a high-ranking officer and fleet commander despite being terribly incompetent at was obviously given his job. [[AllThereInTheManual Supplementary materials]] show that he only managed this position because of family connections his father was a great general. He's inexperienced and that Darth Vader had been looking unprepared for an excuse to get rid the difficulties his envoy gets into, which causes friction between him and some of the moron for a long time. Ozzel's luck runs out in ''The Empire Strikes Back'' when he goes over Vader's head and blows a planned ambush as a result; Vader is so enraged that he just [[YouHaveFailedMe kills Ozzel on the spot]], promoting the legitimately skilled Piett to admiral. more experienced soldiers.
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