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6th Jul '17 10:16:29 PM DarkSoldier
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** The [[KobayashiMaru Giant's Drink]] was a deliberately [[UnwinnableByDesign unwinnable]] 'game' designed to show [[ALessonInDefeat how potential soldiers and commanders dealt with losing]]. Both drinks were always different, but ''always'' poison. Ender went OffTheRails with a [[TakeAThirdOption third option]] and broke the game. Although it dealt with this not by glitching and crashing, but somehow creating an entire new world for him to explore.
* In "Jonathan Cabal and the Blustery Day", the titular (anti-)hero faces a Chinese soceror who has become a eunuch and used this sacrifice to gain magic powers that protect him from all harm. Jonathan Cabal [[spoiler: heals him instead ]] which negates his magic and leaves him vulnerable to [[spoiler: a succubine devil who knows how to handle men ]]

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** The [[KobayashiMaru Giant's Drink]] was a deliberately [[UnwinnableByDesign unwinnable]] 'game' designed UnwinnableByDesign, to show [[ALessonInDefeat how potential soldiers and commanders dealt with losing]]. Both drinks were always different, but ''always'' poison. Ender went OffTheRails with a [[TakeAThirdOption third option]] and broke the game. Although it dealt with this not by glitching and crashing, but somehow creating an entire new world for him to explore.
* In "Jonathan Cabal and the Blustery Day", the titular (anti-)hero faces a Chinese soceror sorcerer who has become a eunuch and used this sacrifice to gain magic powers that protect him from all harm. Jonathan Cabal [[spoiler: heals him instead ]] him]], which negates his magic and leaves him vulnerable to [[spoiler: a succubine devil who knows how to handle men ]]men]].



* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' the characters had to deal with an alien that fed off of anger. The Starfleet officers and the Klingons puts aside their differences and laugh it off.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', there was a Vulcan device that turned people's anger into a weapon. To counter this, the characters calm themselves down.

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* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode ''Day of the characters had to deal with Dove'': an alien that fed entity ensnares the crews of ''Enterprise'' and a Klingon Bird of Prey, influencing them to fight each other so it can feed off of anger. The Starfleet officers and the Klingons puts aside anger they express. When Kirk figures it out, he convinces everyone to lay down their differences weapons and laugh in order to drive it off.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', there was ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' two-part episode ''Gambit'': a band of pirates are raiding archaeological sites for what turn out to be fragments of an ancient Vulcan device weapon that turned people's turns its targets anger into a weapon. To counter this, against them. Picard figures out the characters calm themselves down.key to overcoming its effect ("Peace can defeat War and Death") and disarms the Romulan spy that had been searching for it by centering himself, giving the weapon nothing to use.



** Casting ''regenerate'' on an Eye of Gruumsh (a one-eyed, mad orc fighter) restores its other eye and negates its magical abilities as well.

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** Casting ''regenerate'' on an Eye of Gruumsh (a one-eyed, mad orc fighter) (an orcish warrior granted exceptional martial prowess for gouging out his eye in his patron god's image) restores its other his eye and negates its magical abilities his powers as well.



*** Casting Resurrection spells through [[ItemCrafting custom magic items]] or by using the [[MakeAWish Wish or Miracle spells]] can potentially get around the typical restraints on such a trick and are both things you would want for their [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist respective]] [[ImaginationBasedSuperpower intended uses]].
** Transmutation school Wizards are the king of this trope. Flesh to Stone, Stone to Mud, Purify Water, anyone?

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*** Casting Resurrection spells through [[ItemCrafting custom magic items]] or by using the [[MakeAWish Wish wish or Miracle miracle spells]] can potentially get around the typical restraints on such a trick and are both things you would want for their [[DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist respective]] [[ImaginationBasedSuperpower intended uses]].
** Transmutation school Wizards wizards are the king of this trope. Flesh ''Flesh to Stone, Stone stone'', ''stone to Mud, Purify Water, mud'', ''purify water'', anyone?



* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': Assault Cannons are humonguous one-handed gatling guns that require Terminator armor to hold and operate. They're supposed to be used against infantry, but Astartes targeting doctrines were modified after it turned out they worked quite well against some vehicles.

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': Assault Cannons assault cannons are humonguous one-handed gatling guns that require Terminator armor to hold and operate. They're supposed to be used against infantry, but Astartes targeting doctrines were modified after it turned out they worked quite well against some vehicles.
12th Jun '17 7:41:06 PM GoblinCipher
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* ''VideoGame/NetHack'', a distant cousin, lacks a similar direct equivalent of the Dungeons & Dragons ''stone to earth'' spell, but it ''does'' have "stone to flesh", which makes stone golems much easier to kill -- and also, when used on rocks or boulders, produces prodigious amounts of perfectly edible meat, which non-vegetarian characters can use to stave off starvation.

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* ''VideoGame/NetHack'', a distant cousin, lacks a similar direct equivalent of the Dungeons & Dragons ''stone to earth'' spell, but it ''does'' have has "stone to flesh", which makes stone golems much easier to kill -- and also, when used on rocks or boulders, produces prodigious amounts of perfectly edible meat, which non-vegetarian characters can use to stave off starvation.
30th Mar '17 4:04:07 PM Gosicrystal
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* This is a very common strategy in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. When CourtroomAntics and [[IndyPloy Indy Ploys]] aren't enough, the PlayerCharacter usually resort to solving the case by thinking of another method of wrapping up the case or by switching the crime's premise and structure into an entirely new set of facts.

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* This is a very common strategy in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. When CourtroomAntics and [[IndyPloy Indy Ploys]] aren't enough, the PlayerCharacter usually resort resorts to solving the case by thinking of another method of wrapping up the case or by switching the crime's premise and structure into an entirely new set of facts.
30th Mar '17 4:03:40 PM Gosicrystal
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* This is a very common strategy in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. When CourtroomAntics and [[IndyPloy Indy Ploys]] aren't enough, Phoenix/Mia/Apollo/Edgeworth/Athena usually resort to solving the case by thinking of another method of wrapping up the case or by switching the crime's premise and structure into an entirely new set of facts.

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* This is a very common strategy in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. When CourtroomAntics and [[IndyPloy Indy Ploys]] aren't enough, Phoenix/Mia/Apollo/Edgeworth/Athena the PlayerCharacter usually resort to solving the case by thinking of another method of wrapping up the case or by switching the crime's premise and structure into an entirely new set of facts.
30th Mar '17 4:02:59 PM Gosicrystal
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* This is a very common strategy in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. When CourtroomAntics and [[IndyPloy Indy Ploys]] aren't enough, Phoenix/Mia/Apollo usually resort to solving the case by thinking of another method of wrapping up the case or by switching the crime's premise and structure into an entirely new set of facts.

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* This is a very common strategy in the ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' series. When CourtroomAntics and [[IndyPloy Indy Ploys]] aren't enough, Phoenix/Mia/Apollo Phoenix/Mia/Apollo/Edgeworth/Athena usually resort to solving the case by thinking of another method of wrapping up the case or by switching the crime's premise and structure into an entirely new set of facts.
18th Mar '17 5:39:11 PM Doug86
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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'': Assault Cannons are humonguous one-handed gatling guns that require Terminator armor to hold and operate. They're supposed to be used against infantry, but Astartes targeting doctrines were modified after it turned out they worked quite well against some vehicles.

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'': ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': Assault Cannons are humonguous one-handed gatling guns that require Terminator armor to hold and operate. They're supposed to be used against infantry, but Astartes targeting doctrines were modified after it turned out they worked quite well against some vehicles.
18th Mar '17 3:28:33 PM Meltemi
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'', in addition to the conventionally unconventional [[ReviveKillsZombie use of Phoenix Downs to kill several undead bosses]], also gave us a DualBoss battle against two [[SummonMagic Guardian Forces]] that draw their power from the earth beneath them, which translates to regenerating their health after every attack. One can power through it with the judicious application of overwhelming force...or one can simply cast Float to lift them off the ground, cutting them off from their power and negating their regeneration.



**** Allowing [[spoiler: Yunalesca]] to inflict Zombie on you (or doing it yourself preemptively) also will protect you from a certain mass [[OneHitKO instant-death attack]] that appears in their third form, and is necessary to survive if you haven't picked up Deathproof, Auto-Life, or more conventional methods. However, turnabout is fair play, and this also makes you vulnerable to said boss's curative magic, [[ReviveKillsZombie which they will use offensively at the drop of a hat]].



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker'': Terry's on the ropes. The Joker is delighted at the prospect of another Batman to defeat, and has a lot more experience in the Bat-family's tactics. Bruce advises his usual strategy - ''"Joker's vain and likes to talk...just power through."'' But that gives Terry an ''idea'' - Terry likes to talk, too. [[IShallTauntYou Queue the younger Batman turning the tables on Joker and]] ''[[YouFightLikeACow taunting]]'' [[BreakThemByTalking Joker]] [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech into a first-rate]] VillainousBreakdown, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard finishing him off with his own joy buzzer.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker'': Terry's on the ropes. The Joker is delighted at the prospect of another Batman to defeat, and has a lot more experience in the Bat-family's tactics. Bruce advises his usual strategy - ''"Joker's vain and likes to talk...just power through."'' But that gives Terry an ''idea'' - Terry likes to talk, too. [[IShallTauntYou Queue Cue the younger Batman turning the tables on Joker and]] ''[[YouFightLikeACow taunting]]'' [[BreakThemByTalking Joker]] [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech into a first-rate]] VillainousBreakdown, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard finishing him off with his own joy buzzer.]]
13th Mar '17 7:55:21 AM TheKaizerreich
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* In ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'', Accelerator is pretty much invincible while his powers are active. However, one of the Sisters found a tactic that he couldn't simply reflect: continuously zap the air around him. This doesn't hurt him, but it does ionize the air and lower the oxygen content. For all his power, Accelerator still needs to breathe. Unfortunately for her, Accelerator figures out what she's up to and resolves to kill her before she can ionize the air to that extent, though he does congratulate her on being one of the few who has ever come up with a strategy that could possibly harm him.

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* In ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'', Accelerator is pretty much invincible while his powers are active. However, one of the Sisters found a tactic that he couldn't simply reflect: continuously zap the air around him. This doesn't hurt him, but it does ionize the air and lower the oxygen content.content by turning it into ozone, which is poisonous. For all his power, Accelerator still needs to breathe. Unfortunately for her, Accelerator figures out what she's up to and resolves to kill her before she can ionize the air to that extent, though he does congratulate her on being one of the few who has ever come up with a strategy that could possibly harm him.
18th Feb '17 11:42:21 PM Discar
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* The nature of ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'' means Parson usually has to rely on these to win fights. In fact, that's the whole reason Parson was summoned, to think of tactics no-one else would. And he's ''very good'' at it.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'':
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The nature of ''Webcomic/{{Erfworld}}'' the world means Parson usually has to rely on these to win fights. In fact, that's the whole reason Parson was summoned, to think of tactics no-one else would. And he's ''very good'' at it.


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** In the second book, epic magic is used to put Gobwin Knob in a physically impossible trap. While everyone is panicking, Jack manages to come up with a clever strategy to get their most important unit to safety by sacrificing the rest of them. He is congratulating himself on his plan when Parson calls with a way to ''win'' this impossible battle (without any magic to counter what was used against them). Jack is flabbergasted, but delighted. Notably, the ambush is so perfect that when Gobwin Knob puts Parson's plan into motion, their enemy thinks it's nothing but posturing. A few minutes later, it's their turn to panic.
27th Dec '16 5:28:40 PM KingLyger
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* This can occasionally come up in ''Manga/OnePiece,'' [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower along with unexpected strengths,]] when a Devil Fruit power sometimes provides an unforeseen advantage against another power. One of the more prominent examples would be low-tier villain Mr. 3, whose power to create objects out of wax ends up temporarily providing the single best countermeasure against poisonous ImplacableMan Magellan. Being able to do this is also stated as one of the marks of a strong fruit user. Since the powers themselves don't change too much as time goes on, the main way to get stronger with a fruit is to figure out more creative ways to use the powers you already have (such as how Luffy exploited his rubber body to develop the Gear techniques).

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* This can occasionally come up in ''Manga/OnePiece,'' [[HeartIsAnAwesomePower along with unexpected strengths,]] when a Devil Fruit power sometimes provides an unforeseen advantage against another power. One of Since the powers themselves don't change as time goes on, their users have to figure out more prominent examples would be low-tier villain Mr. 3, whose power creative ways to create objects out of wax ends up temporarily providing use the single best countermeasure against poisonous ImplacableMan Magellan.powers they already have (such as how Luffy exploited his rubber body to develop the Gear techniques). Being able to do this is also stated as one of the marks of a strong fruit user. Since
** Low-tier villain Mr. 3, whose power to create objects out of wax, ends up temporarily providing
the powers themselves don't change too much as time goes on, single best countermeasure against poisonous ImplacableMan Magellan.
** The Sky Island arc sees both
the main way to get stronger hero and the villain do this with a fruit is to figure out more creative ways to use the powers you already have (such as how Luffy exploited his their powers. Luffy's rubber body provided a LogicalWeakness to develop Eneru, who used [[ShockAndAwe lightning]], so Luffy both couldn't be affected by Eneru's lightning and actually deal damage. Eneru also had the Gear techniques).power to sense what someone was going to do, so Luffy still couldn't hit him. Luffy got around Eneru's prediction power by reflecting Eneru's attacks off of his ship, so Luffy wasn't consciously controlling where his punches would land, thus making them unable to be predicted. As for Eneru, he figured out that lightning generates heat, and used it to burn Luffy rather than shock him.
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