History Main / OriginalPositionFallacy

* ''Manga/JujutsuKaisen'': During the Shibuya Incident, Mahito delivers a speech to Yuji about how, [[NotSoDifferentRemark just as Yuji kills saves humans because it's what he does, Mahito also kills humans because it's his nature]]. The only difference is that, unlike Yuji, Mahito doesn't need to justify himself, because [[StrawNihilist the world is inherently meaningless]] and therefore [[ForTheEvulz he doesn't need a reason to kill people]]. After Yuji delivers a crushing defeat to Mahito, [[VillainHasAPoint Yuji acknowledges that Mahito was right]]: he ''doesn't'' need a reason to kill him, so that's exactly what he's going to do. Even if Mahito reincarnates a hundred times, Yuji will simply kill him again, even if there is no meaning to it. Upon seeing that [[ItsPersonal his hated enemy]] has come to see him as little more than an annoying pest to be exterminated, [[VillainousBreakdown Mahito breaks down in fear]] and [[DirtyCoward tries to flee for his life]].

* In the first ''Film/XMen1'' film, [[WellIntentionedExtremist Magneto]] attempts to [[InvokedTrope invoke]] this trope with a machine that can turn humans into mutants; the idea is to use it on a gathering of world leaders, many of whom have anti-mutant sentiment, to show them what it's like to be persecuted and feared. However, the machine only works using Magneto's own mutant gift, and the process [[CastFromHitPoints nearly kills him]], so he kidnaps the [[MegaManning power-copying]] Rogue to forcibly transfer his ability into her body and use ''her'' as the fuel source. Wolverine calls Magneto out for falling into the same line of thinking he claims he's trying to avoid: if he ''really'' cared about mutant rights, he would willingly sacrifice himself in the machine.

* ''WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney'': Claude Frollo, who is a KnightTemplar CompleteMonster, says [[TemptingFate "and He shall smite the wicked and send them into the fiery pit"]] as he prepares to kill the heroes.[[note]]Frollo "sees corruption everywhere except within", and is [[ObliviouslyEvil delusional enough to think himself the righteous one]] while pegging the Roma Esmerelda and the misshapen Quasimodo as wicked.[[/note]] God apparently obliges, sending the wicked Frollo [[DisneyVillainDeath falling into the molten lava far below.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite'': Manchester and his team operate under a philosophy of MightMakesRight and consider it the best response to kill anyone who's threatening violence against others. They're horrified when Superman (who's stronger than all of them) responds to ''their'' violence in kind [[spoiler:or so it seems]].

** Benjamin Franlkin snarks at one point that rebellions are only illegal when other people are doing them.

* ''WesternAnimation/TheHunchbackOfNotreDameDisney'': Claude Frollo, who is a KnightTemplar CompleteMonster, says [[TemptingFate "and He shall smite the wicked and send them into the fiery pit"]] as he prepares to kill the heroes.[[note]]Frollo "sees corruption everywhere except within", and is [[ObliviouslyEvil delusional enough to think himself the righteous one]] while pegging the gypsy Esmerelda and the misshapen Quasimodo as wicked.[[/note]] God apparently obliges, sending the wicked Frollo [[DisneyVillainDeath falling into the molten lava far below.]]

** "[[Recap/BabylonFiveS01E12ByAnyMeansNecessary By Any Means Necessary]]" centers on a union dispute after a fatal accident in the docks. The negotiator sent by the government leans heavily on the legal authority he has, refusing to negotiate or discuss the grievances from the union representative. The negotiator grants Commander Sinclair authority to resolve the dispute by any means necessary, assuming the commander will arrest and replace the striking dockworkers. Instead, the commander uses his new authority to reallocate money from the military budget to meet the union's demands, upsetting the negotiator who is now the one being overridden by legal authority. (The government was reportedly furious, but public opinion was on the side of the union so they let it slide.)
--->'''Orin Zento:''' You can't do this!\\

In the ''WebAnimation/HFIL'' [[ChristmasEpisode holiday special]] [[Recap/HFILAFreezaDayInHell "A Freeza Day in Hell"]], Goz and Mez are fine with Freeza Day (Freeza's appropriation of Christmas) being celebrated for the sake of a social gathering, and are even tolerant about the yearly tradition of Freeza blowing up one of the houses. And then Cell's trickery prompts Freeza into choosing to blow up ''their'' house.