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21st Apr '17 6:58:50 AM VoxAquila
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* Creator/AynRand would reassure her followers who feared they were the "parasites" she railed against by telling them that because they had [[ItsAllAboutMe superior taste in reading material,]] they were among the "perfect producers" who would inherent the world.
15th Apr '17 10:00:34 AM MotiveFan
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** While not as prevalent, the fallacy is also reflected in [[VideoGame/BioshockInfinite]] regarding Comstock's flying paradise for the American People. Fink realized that none of the white, wealthy, religious patrons who'd flock to Comstock's city as "God's Kingdom" would be eager to do manual labor or menial tasks to maintain the 'heavenly' city, so he brought in 'Cherubs for every chore', i.e. a massive foreign labor force that would eventually revolt and become the Vox Populi. Needless to say, this didn't end well for anybody.

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** While not as prevalent, the fallacy is also reflected in [[VideoGame/BioshockInfinite]] ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'' regarding Comstock's flying paradise for the American People. Fink realized that none of the white, wealthy, religious patrons who'd flock to Comstock's city as "God's Kingdom" would be eager to do manual labor or menial tasks to maintain the 'heavenly' city, so he brought in 'Cherubs for every chore', i.e. a massive foreign labor force that would eventually revolt and become the Vox Populi. Needless to say, this didn't end well for anybody.
15th Apr '17 9:59:15 AM MotiveFan
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** While not as prevalent, the fallacy is also reflected in [[VideoGame/BioshockInfinite]] regarding Comstock's flying paradise for the American People. Fink realized that none of the white, wealthy, religious patrons who'd flock to Comstock's city as "God's Kingdom" would be eager to do manual labor or menial tasks to maintain the 'heavenly' city, so he brought in 'Cherubs for every chore', i.e. a massive foreign labor force that would eventually revolt and become the Vox Populi. Needless to say, this didn't end well for anybody.
4th Apr '17 1:16:16 PM MotiveFan
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** For that matter, any political leaning that requires either people being inherently better than others or will presumably reward those who are legitimately better will be championed by people who assume they will be the ones on top, regardless of whether or not they would actually be.
23rd Mar '17 5:24:28 AM Owlorange1995
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-->'''Drum''': Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy. It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that ''they'' are these folks. They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

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-->'''Drum''': Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy. It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that ''they'' are these folks. They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.
16th Mar '17 1:29:49 PM ZombieAladdin
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* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', Light Yagami spends much of the series as TheSocialDarwinist, believing that anyone he kills with the Death Note was evil, incompetent, or for the greater good and deserved to die. When it comes time for his own death, however, he is the only character who does not die peacefully, refusing to accept his end. [[spoiler:In the manga, at least, he screams and pleads with anyone to try to extend his own life once Ryuk writes Light's name into his own Death Note. In other versions, once he's been identified as the wielder of the Death Note, Light makes a run for it.]] That is, Light considers anyone who dies in his scheme to have deserved their deaths, until he gets caught in it.
13th Mar '17 12:35:10 PM Owlorange1995
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* Kevin Drum once wrote on his belief that hardcore libertarianism is built on this trope.
-->'''Drum''': Hardcore libertarianism is a fantasy. It's a fantasy where the strongest and most self-reliant folks end up at the top of the heap, and a fair number of men share the fantasy that ''they'' are these folks. They believe they've been held back by rules and regulations designed to help the weak, and in a libertarian culture their talents would be obvious and they'd naturally rise to positions of power and influence.

-->Most of them are wrong, of course. In a truly libertarian culture, nearly all of them would be squashed like ants—mostly by the same people who are squashing them now. But the fantasy lives on regardless.
13th Mar '17 8:25:32 AM Owlorange1995
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': Danzo was all in favor of instructing his ninjas to sacrifice themselves if need be, in part because his own high rank made his chances of doing so himself extremely low. In a rare variation of this trope, he was aware of this hypocrisy and hated himself for it.
15th Feb '17 5:29:03 AM Josef5678
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* ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'': The wordwide nuclear war behind most of the setting's problems was started by the American president, certain as he was that the US' radiation shields would prevent fallout from affecting them. He was disbelievingly disabused of this notion ''after'' the nukes started flying.

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* ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'': The wordwide worldwide nuclear war behind most of the setting's problems was started by the American president, certain as he was that the US' US's radiation shields would prevent fallout from affecting them. He was disbelievingly disabused of this notion ''after'' the nukes started flying.



** 40K: The fall of the Eldar was brought about by the psychic SpaceElves' continuous hedonism creating a new Chaos god/dess in the Warp. Some pleasure cults actually did their best to accelerate this process, believing they'd be rewarded with an eternity of new sensations. The Dark Eldar, are now an entire race of KlingonPromotion-enforcing CombatSadomasochists who need to hide in the Webway lest Slaanesh (the hermaphroditic embodiment of excess known as She Who thirsts) devour their souls, and can emerge into realspace only long enough to conduct quick raids for slaves.

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** 40K: The fall of the Eldar was brought about by the psychic SpaceElves' continuous hedonism creating a new Chaos god/dess in the Warp. Some pleasure cults actually did their best to accelerate this process, believing they'd be rewarded with an eternity of new sensations. The Dark Eldar, are now an entire race of KlingonPromotion-enforcing CombatSadomasochists {{combat sadomasochist}}s who need to hide in the Webway lest Slaanesh (the hermaphroditic embodiment of excess known as She Who thirsts) devour their souls, and can emerge into realspace only long enough to conduct quick raids for slaves.



* ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVI'': One optional area in the dreamworld is a GroundshogDayLoop of a king who decided to deal with the threat of the Archfiend by [[SummonBiggerFish summoning an even bigger demon to kill it.]] The idea that they wouldn't remain in control past the first five seconds of the ritual didn't occur to them at all. [[spoiler:If you actually fight and defeat this demon quickly enough, it turns out the plan wasn't as stupid as it seems: the demon cheerfully destroys the BigBad in a humiliating CurbStompBattle without taking any damage.]]

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* ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVI'': One optional area in the dreamworld is a GroundshogDayLoop GroundhogDayLoop of a king who decided to deal with the threat of the Archfiend by [[SummonBiggerFish summoning an even bigger demon to kill it.]] The idea that they wouldn't remain in control past the first five seconds of the ritual didn't occur to them at all. [[spoiler:If you actually fight and defeat this demon quickly enough, it turns out the plan wasn't as stupid as it seems: the demon cheerfully destroys the BigBad in a humiliating CurbStompBattle without taking any damage.]]
15th Feb '17 4:16:57 AM Chabal2
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* ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'': The wordwide nuclear war behind most of the setting's problems was started by the American president, certain as he was that the US' radiation shields would prevent fallout from affecting them. He was disbelievingly disabused of this notion ''after'' the nukes started flying.



%%** ''Literature/TheGooseGirl'' in Grimms' fairy tales.

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%%** ** ''Literature/TheGooseGirl'' in Grimms' fairy tales.tales ends this way, involving being dragged up and down the street in a barrel filled with nails.


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* ''Literature/HarryPotter'':
** Many people who joined the Death Eaters were merely in it ForTheEvulz, or the chance to get ahead in wizarding society, or because Voldemort's victory seemed certain (and many were half-bloods masqueradin as pureblood). Some found out that his evil was far beyond the bullying and Muggle-baiting they were used to, some tried to claim they'd been mind-controlled the entire time and others still found themselves too deeply compromised to do anything but keep serving him.
** The goblins welcomed Voldemort's upheaval of the wizarding world at first, thinking it the end of wizardkind's casual contempt on nonhuman magic beings. Instead, they seemed to have been reduced to menial work (quoth Griphook, who escaped: "I am no house-elf.") You'd think going with an organization that prides itself on purity of wizarding lineage would have set off more warning bells.


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* ''VideoGame/DragonQuestVI'': One optional area in the dreamworld is a GroundshogDayLoop of a king who decided to deal with the threat of the Archfiend by [[SummonBiggerFish summoning an even bigger demon to kill it.]] The idea that they wouldn't remain in control past the first five seconds of the ritual didn't occur to them at all. [[spoiler:If you actually fight and defeat this demon quickly enough, it turns out the plan wasn't as stupid as it seems: the demon cheerfully destroys the BigBad in a humiliating CurbStompBattle without taking any damage.]]
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