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27th Jun '17 9:22:56 AM Folamh3
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** This is one of the arguments made against the existence of reincarnation: it's remarkable how a vastly disproportionate number of people who claim to be able to remember their "past lives" seem to have lived exciting, colourful and varied lives among the gentry, rather than boring ones among the peasantry.
20th Jun '17 1:16:38 PM Luigifan
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The main upshot of this trope is to show that blind self interest is a bad thing -- Bob shouldn't have been so quick to give "someone else" a steak-less dinner while blithely assuming ''his'' meal would be fine. If he is fortunate, it will turn out to be AllJustADream, and Bob will have a second chance to approach the topic -- probably with a bit more humility this time. But in many cases it's too late for regrets: Bob has his vegetables and now he must eat them. (Some uses of this trope begin in Act 2, where Bob is now in the thick of a miserable situation and laments that he used to ''want'' this to happen).

Of course, it is also possible that the mayor -- who ''did'' know the outcome and ''could'' assign the menu options -- steered Bob into making a choice that was worse for him, perhaps to damn him by his own words. Call it an "Original Position Gambit" if you will. This trope is also one of the places where OffTheTable doesn't shift sympathy away from the person who refuses to re-extend the offer. ("Oh, Bob wants to make a more generous division ''now''? Too bad").

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The main upshot of this trope is to show that blind self interest is a bad thing -- Bob shouldn't have been so quick to give "someone else" a steak-less dinner while blithely assuming ''his'' meal would be fine. If he is fortunate, it will turn out to be AllJustADream, and Bob will have a second chance to approach the topic -- probably with a bit more humility this time. But in many cases cases, it's too late for regrets: Bob has his vegetables and now he must eat them. (Some uses of this trope begin in Act 2, where Bob is now in the thick of a miserable situation and laments that he used to ''want'' this to happen).

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Of course, it is also possible that the mayor -- who ''did'' know the outcome and ''could'' assign the menu options -- steered Bob into making a choice that was worse for him, perhaps to damn him by his own words. Call it an "Original Position Gambit" if you will. This trope is also one of the places where OffTheTable doesn't shift sympathy away from the person who refuses to re-extend the offer. ("Oh, Bob wants to make a more generous division ''now''? Too bad").
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17th Jun '17 12:44:41 PM elemt
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* This theory is behind the quote attributed to John Steinbeck, "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires". That is, though they are currently poor they think they'll be among the tiny number of poor people to become extremely rich somehow, and so are against things intended to help the poor that could be bad for the rich.
14th Jun '17 10:59:10 AM dclark
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** Actually averted by Jehovah's Witnesses, who will cheerfully tell you that although there's only a few spots in heaven, there's an unlimited number of equally nice spots on ''Earth''.
7th Jun '17 2:32:43 PM Shido
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* Every politician -- especially those of "family values" -- who support a discriminatory policy based on 'morality' never consider their own actions as immoral. And if they do, they hope to God that the public never see it.

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* Every politician -- especially those of "family values" -- who support a discriminatory policy based on 'morality' never consider their own actions as immoral. And if they do, they hope to God that 'morality', and are then caught by the public never see it.being immoral.
7th Jun '17 2:28:36 PM Shido
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* Every politician who supported a discriminatory policy based on 'morality', then caught being immoral by the public.

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* Every politician -- especially those of "family values" -- who supported support a discriminatory policy based on 'morality', then caught being immoral by 'morality' never consider their own actions as immoral. And if they do, they hope to God that the public.public never see it.
7th Jun '17 2:23:54 PM Shido
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* Every politician who supported a discriminatory policy based on 'morality', then caught being immoral by the public.
2nd Jun '17 7:45:33 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* Averted in ''Literature/AtlasShrugged''. The population of Galt's Gulch consists entirely of people who were either wealthy in the outside world, or aspired to be. Clearly, a functioning society requires menial laborers, and some people will be at the bottom of the heap. But, unlike the ''Bioshock'' example below, everyone's presented as very happy with this system. CEO's who end up as underlings claim to be completely satisfied, as long as their boss is more skilled and qualified than they are.

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* Averted in ''Literature/AtlasShrugged''. The population of Galt's Gulch consists entirely of people who were either wealthy in the outside world, or aspired to be. Clearly, a functioning society requires menial laborers, and some people will be at the bottom of the heap. But, unlike the ''Bioshock'' example below, everyone's presented as very happy with this system. CEO's CEOs who end up as underlings claim to be completely satisfied, as long as their boss is more skilled and qualified than they are.
23rd May '17 6:58:54 AM benda
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* When people ask one another, for fun, "If you could live in any historical time period, what would it be," the question contains the assumption that the answer does not include being a peasant, where living a long, exceedingly boring life full of hard labor until you die of old age is the best outcome you can wildly hope for, in pretty much all of human history.

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* When people ask one another, for fun, "If you could live in any historical time period, what would it be," the question contains the assumption that the answer does not include being a peasant, peasant (who comprised vast majority of Earth's population until very recently), where living a long, exceedingly boring life full of hard labor until you die of old age is the best outcome you can wildly hope for, in pretty much all of human history.
12th May '17 7:32:25 AM TheWanderer
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** Ditto for anyone who asks about living in [[TheVerse some fictional universe]]. Some of them seem very cool or interesting... as long as you're a member of that universe's elite or TheChosenOne and/or a member of his band of TrueCompanions. The person responding tends to forget that the chances of this are very small indeed, and for most other people in such universes, things tend to suck.
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