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11th Jan '17 1:28:16 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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* "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert Food Deserts]]" in the first world; neighborhoods without access to fresh food, usually in a very poor, densely-populated urban area. Grocery stores in wealthier neighborhoods or suburbs can stock fresh produce, meat, and unprocessed staples. The convenience stores that may be the only "grocery" in walking distance (those living in that area are often too poor to own a car) will favor processed, shelf-stable "food" that offers calories and little else. What little fresh food they have will be under a steep markup.
** Again, this heavily varies with the level of [[WrongSideOfTheTracks urban segregation]] in the larger world, with many countries either not having it to the same degree, with the rich and the poor rubbing shoulders every day, or having a functional public transport systems that allow the poor to affordably access the wider markets.

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* "[[https://en.And the reason ''why'' soda is so cheap in the US, along with candies and other sweets, is because of the invention of high-fructose corn syrup as a substitute for cane sugar that can be produced economically using the the vast (and heavily subsidized) corn crop of the American breadbasket. In the US, cane sugar is a rarity found only in organic and other specialty foods and drinks, thanks to competition from high-fructose corn syrup, a relative lack of places in the US where sugar can be grown[[note]]The lower Mississippi Valley, the Gulf Coast, Florida, and Hawaii[[/note]], and import tariffs designed to protect American sugar producers.
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wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert Food Deserts]]" "Food deserts"]] in the first developed world; neighborhoods without access to fresh food, usually in a very poor, densely-populated urban area.areas. Grocery stores in wealthier neighborhoods or suburbs can stock fresh produce, meat, and unprocessed staples. The convenience stores that may be the only "grocery" in walking distance (those living in that area are often too poor to own a car) will favor processed, shelf-stable "food" that offers calories and little else. What little fresh food they have will be under a steep markup.
** Again, this heavily varies with the level of [[WrongSideOfTheTracks urban segregation]] in the larger world, with many countries either not having it to the same degree, with the rich and the poor rubbing shoulders every day, or having a functional public transport systems that allow the poor to affordably access the wider markets.
20th Dec '16 4:02:18 PM tkzv
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* In ''Quozl'' by Allen Dead Foster, the titular aliens live aboard a [[GenerationShips Generation Ship]], and as such value wood considerably. It's not rare on the planets they have colonized, but space travel takes decades and growing trees in such an environment is impractical. They have elaborate public wooden sculptures, but the most wood an individual Quozl is likely to own is a small ring.

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* In ''Quozl'' ''{{Literature/Quozl}}'' by Allen Dead Foster, Creator/AlanDeanFoster, the titular aliens live aboard a [[GenerationShips Generation Ship]], and as such value wood considerably. It's not rare on the planets they have colonized, but space travel takes decades and growing trees in such an environment is impractical. They have elaborate public wooden sculptures, but the most wood an individual Quozl is likely to own is a small ring.
15th Dec '16 6:10:16 PM DavidDelony
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* The coffee plantations in South America and Africa are known for producing some of the best coffee beans in the world, but often the farmers can only afford to drink cheap instant coffee. This also applies in the developed world. Most coffee drinkers find that pre-ground, mass produced coffee is cheaper than fresh coffee beans from local roasters roasted in small batches. The latter is mostly the province of connoisseurs. with a few diehards experimenting with home roasting, something that also used to be routine prior to the development of mass-produced coffee in the 19th century.

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* The coffee plantations in South America and Africa are known for producing some of the best coffee beans in the world, but often the farmers can only afford to drink cheap instant coffee. This also applies in the developed world. Most coffee drinkers find that pre-ground, mass produced coffee is cheaper than fresh coffee beans from local roasters roasted in small batches. The latter is mostly the province of connoisseurs. connoisseurs, with a few diehards experimenting with home roasting, something that also used to be routine prior to the development of mass-produced coffee in the 19th century.
20th Nov '16 9:25:47 AM Morgenthaler
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* ElizabethMoon's space opera series ''Literature/VattasWar''. With humanity scattered across space, the puppy Jim the stowaway finds is a mysterious novelty to most of the crew, though Jim, coming from a backwater world that relies on animal labor, knows what it is. Real food can be had but won't keep for long trips in space so it is a special treat supplemented by nutrition bars and [=MREs=]. When the main character's ship takes on refugees from other ships after a war breaks out, a snotty-ass captain makes a big deal about his personal stock of expensive raspberries being divvied out as rations.

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* ElizabethMoon's Creator/ElizabethMoon's space opera series ''Literature/VattasWar''. With humanity scattered across space, the puppy Jim the stowaway finds is a mysterious novelty to most of the crew, though Jim, coming from a backwater world that relies on animal labor, knows what it is. Real food can be had but won't keep for long trips in space so it is a special treat supplemented by nutrition bars and [=MREs=]. When the main character's ship takes on refugees from other ships after a war breaks out, a snotty-ass captain makes a big deal about his personal stock of expensive raspberries being divvied out as rations.
16th Nov '16 2:16:04 PM Kalaong
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* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' takes place after a hurried evacuation of Earth and colonization of the rest of the solar system. Naturally grown food, especially meat, is expensive due to the shortage of inhabitable space, but culture vats and [[MatterReplicator nanofabricators]] can produce substitutes that only snobs can tell the difference from. Now organic bodies, those are expensive because they take three years to grow and there's a lot of demand from the billions of {{Virtual Ghost}}s in storage, while most Synthmorphs can be printed out in a matter of hours.

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* ''TabletopGame/EclipsePhase'' takes place after a hurried evacuation of Earth and colonization of the rest of the solar system. Naturally grown food, especially meat, is expensive due to the shortage of inhabitable space, but culture vats and [[MatterReplicator nanofabricators]] can produce substitutes that only snobs ''insist'' they can tell the difference from. detect - but it's compared to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_wine_tasting modern-day wines.]] Now organic bodies, those are expensive because they take three years to grow and there's a lot of demand from the billions of {{Virtual Ghost}}s in storage, while most Synthmorphs can be printed out in a matter of hours.
21st Oct '16 10:17:54 PM gemmabeta2
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* Speaking of tuna, sushi and sashimi used to be the Japanese equivalent of fast food (fish was originally transported in vinegared rice as a preservative, and poor people buying the gods would end up eating the rice as well as the fish). Nowadays, sushi is considered fancy food, and ''auctions'' are held for who gets to eat bluefin tuna sashimi first, even reaching ''[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20919306 $1.7 million!]]''

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* Speaking of tuna, sushi and sashimi used to be the Japanese equivalent of fast food (fish was originally transported in vinegared rice as a preservative, and poor people buying the gods go0ds would end up eating the rice as well as the fish). Nowadays, sushi is considered fancy food, and ''auctions'' are held for who gets to eat bluefin tuna sashimi first, even reaching ''[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20919306 $1.7 million!]]''
21st Oct '16 10:15:54 PM gemmabeta2
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* Speaking of tuna, sushi and sashimi were the Japanese equivalent of fast food. Nowadays, sushi is considered fancy food, and ''auctions'' are held for who gets to eat bluefin tuna sashimi first, even reaching ''[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20919306 $1.7 million!]]''

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* Speaking of tuna, sushi and sashimi were used to be the Japanese equivalent of fast food.food (fish was originally transported in vinegared rice as a preservative, and poor people buying the gods would end up eating the rice as well as the fish). Nowadays, sushi is considered fancy food, and ''auctions'' are held for who gets to eat bluefin tuna sashimi first, even reaching ''[[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20919306 $1.7 million!]]''
19th Oct '16 2:20:12 AM Kalaong
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** He's horrified to learn of the many demeaning customs his rivals the Harkonnens instituted during their rule of Arrakis based on ''[[ConspicuousConsumption wasting water]]''; upon entering the palace, guests ceremonially splash water on the floor for servants to mop up with towels, who then sell the squeezings to the poor. They planted date palms everywhere, then put up ''DeflectorShields'' to keep peasants from eating the dates.

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** He's Leto's horrified to learn of the many demeaning customs his rivals the Harkonnens instituted during their rule of Arrakis based on ''[[ConspicuousConsumption wasting water]]''; upon entering the palace, guests ceremonially splash water on the floor for servants to mop up with towels, who then sell the squeezings to the poor. They planted date palms everywhere, then put up ''DeflectorShields'' to keep peasants from eating the dates.



*** Some of his first rulings upon taking residence are to have the palms removed and for free water rations to be available to anyone who calls on the holding during mealtimes. It's a [[GenreSavvy pragmatic]] move on his part as well as humanitarian, as it ensures that the people of Arrakis support his rule.
--->'''Leto''': ''How typical of a Harkonnen fief'', the Duke thought. Every degradation of the spirit that can be conceived.

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*** Some of his Leto's first rulings upon taking residence are to have the palms removed and for free water rations to be available to anyone who calls on the holding during mealtimes. It's a [[GenreSavvy pragmatic]] move on his part as well as humanitarian, as it ensures that the people of Arrakis support his rule.
--->'''Leto''': ''How --->''How typical of a Harkonnen fief'', the Duke thought. Every ''Every degradation of the spirit that can be conceived.''
19th Oct '16 2:18:54 AM Kalaong
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** Leto is also horrified to learn that his servants are selling the squeezings from wet towels to the poor, and demands that they be given a water ration free of charge. [[GenreSavvy It's a pragmatic move on his part]] as well as humanitarian, as it ensures that the people of Arrakis support his rule.

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** Leto is also He's horrified to learn that of the many demeaning customs his rivals the Harkonnens instituted during their rule of Arrakis based on ''[[ConspicuousConsumption wasting water]]''; upon entering the palace, guests ceremonially splash water on the floor for servants are selling to mop up with towels, who then sell the squeezings from wet towels to the poor, and demands that they be given a poor. They planted date palms everywhere, then put up ''DeflectorShields'' to keep peasants from eating the dates.
--->'''Yueh''': One date palm requires forty liters of
water ration a day. A man requires but eight liters. A palm, then, equals five men.
*** Some of his first rulings upon taking residence are to have the palms removed and for
free of charge. water rations to be available to anyone who calls on the holding during mealtimes. It's a [[GenreSavvy It's a pragmatic pragmatic]] move on his part]] part as well as humanitarian, as it ensures that the people of Arrakis support his rule.rule.
--->'''Leto''': ''How typical of a Harkonnen fief'', the Duke thought. Every degradation of the spirit that can be conceived.
11th Oct '16 11:12:18 AM Kalaong
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* ''Literature/{{Neuromancer}}'' has a scene where Molly is chastising Case for not eating his steak - noting that it's not vat-grown and it was incredibly expensive because "they had to raise a cow for years" to get said steak.

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* ''Literature/{{Neuromancer}}'' has a scene where Molly is chastising chastises Case for not eating his steak - noting that it's not vat-grown and it was incredibly expensive because "they had to steak;
-->Jesus, gimme that. You know what this costs? They gotta
raise a cow whole animal for years" to get said steak.years and then they kill it. This isn't vat stuff.



** It's a point only because [[spoiler: the Solanum virus is fatal to all life, but only cause humans to turn into zombies. For anything else, it's just fatal and results in their flesh becoming unsafe for human consumption.]]

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** It's a point only because [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Solanum virus is fatal to all life, but only cause humans to turn into zombies. For anything else, it's just fatal and results in their flesh becoming unsafe for human consumption.]]
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