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21st Jul '17 11:55:25 AM Caps-luna
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** Prior to proliferation of computers in the late fifties and sixties, it was considerably cheaper to over engineer projects than it was to hire someone to do advanced calculations to save building material. As a result many older structures are ridiculously strong by modern standards.

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** Prior to proliferation of computers in the late fifties and sixties, it was considerably cheaper to over engineer projects than it was to hire someone to do advanced calculations to save building material. As a result many older structures are ridiculously strong by modern standards. An often cited example is the comparison between Hoover Dam and the Three Gorges Dam. The Hoover Am was built in the 30s without access to computers or the same technology as the later and used a more complicated design. It hasn't cracked yet. The Three Gorges Dam however was engineered to be built quickly and use as little concrete as was needed. As was expected it formed, several non-critical cracks even though its just a long pile of cement.
21st Jul '17 11:45:51 AM Caps-luna
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* In the civilian gun industry, a lot of countries have what's called the grandfather clause, where gun control legislation doesn't apply to any gun first sold before the legislation was enacted. This means a lot of older guns in circulation have nifty little features that can't be sold on modern guns.
21st Jul '17 2:29:14 AM Outis
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* The ''Series/Thunderbirds'' episode "Vault of Death" begins with Parker (a [[ReformedCriminal reformed]] [[{{Safecracking}} safecracker]]), acompanied by Lady Penelope, trying to break into the Bank of England vault; after nearly two and a half hours he succeeds. It turns out that this is a security test to demonstrate the need to replace the old-fashioned vault a new ultra-modern high-tech one. Later, when a man is trapped in the new vault, Parker opens it in seconds [[HairpinLockpick with a hairpin]]. Seeing that the new vault can be cracked so easily, the bank decides to go back to the old one, as at least that one took him two and a half hours. Subverted when Parker tells Lady Penelope afterwards that he could have opened the old vault just as easily but he wanted to give his audience a good show (which of course he couldn't in a real emergency).

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* The ''Series/Thunderbirds'' ''{{Series/Thunderbirds}}'' episode "Vault of Death" begins with Parker (a [[ReformedCriminal reformed]] [[{{Safecracking}} safecracker]]), acompanied by Lady Penelope, trying to break into the Bank of England vault; after nearly two and a half hours he succeeds. It turns out that this is a security test to demonstrate the need to replace the old-fashioned vault a new ultra-modern high-tech one. Later, when a man is trapped in the new vault, Parker opens it in seconds [[HairpinLockpick with a hairpin]]. Seeing that the new vault can be cracked so easily, the bank decides to go back to the old one, as at least that one took him two and a half hours. Subverted when Parker tells Lady Penelope afterwards that he could have opened the old vault just as easily but he wanted to give his audience a good show (which of course he couldn't in a real emergency).
21st Jul '17 2:27:40 AM Outis
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* The ''Series/Thunderbirds'' episode "Vault of Death" begins with Parker (a [[ReformedCriminal reformed]] [[{{Safecracking}} safecracker]]), acompanied by Lady Penelope, trying to break into the Bank of England vault; after nearly two and a half hours he succeeds. It turns out that this is a security test to demonstrate the need to replace the old-fashioned vault a new ultra-modern high-tech one. Later, when a man is trapped in the new vault, Parker opens it in seconds [[HairpinLockpick with a hairpin]]. Seeing that the new vault can be cracked so easily, the bank decides to go back to the old one, as at least that one took him two and a half hours. Subverted when Parker tells Lady Penelope afterwards that he could have opened the old vault just as easily but he wanted to give his audience a good show (which of course he couldn't in a real emergency).
16th Jul '17 8:49:18 PM Boskas
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** There is a theme that the witches and wizards of successive generations fail to live up to their predecessors. They had to look a generation back to find anyone capable of taking Voldemart in a duel and the best of Harry Potter's peers don't compare to the talents of their parents at similar ages. [[JustifiedTrope This trend starts]] with the murder, mind altering spells, scare tactics and discriminatory practice used by Lord Voldemart and associates, which prevented a lot of knowledge being passed down.

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** There is a theme that the witches and wizards of successive generations fail to live up to their predecessors. They had to look a generation back to find anyone capable of taking Voldemart Voldemort in a duel and the best of Harry Potter's peers don't compare to the talents of their parents at similar ages. [[JustifiedTrope This trend starts]] with the murder, mind altering spells, scare tactics and discriminatory practice used by Lord Voldemart Voldemort and associates, which prevented a lot of knowledge being passed down.
22nd Jun '17 11:47:31 PM jormis29
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* This is a major element and theme throughout World of Darkness roleplaying games. Magic, monsters, heroes and spirits used to be greater in the old glory days. The game which relies on this trope most might be the Vampire games. Vampires being pretty much immortal have a lot of elders still alive and they benefit both from growing more powerful with age and from being just inherently more awesome because they were made in the olden days by vampires related closer to the first vampire. The supposed end of the world that may not be far off is predicted to be caused by the rise of all the most ancient and powerful vampires who are believed to be asleep.
* The standard setting of ''{{Exalted}}'' is assumed to be the Second Age of Creation. Most of the best technology comes from the First Age. This is because the Solars, the most powerful of the Exalted, ruled Creation during the first age, and used their superhuman skills to create advanced {{Magitek}} wonders. After the weaker Dragon-Blooded killed the Solars and took control of Creation, they simply weren't able to keep up the kind of standards the Solars could. Because of the way reincarnation works in Exalted, a surprising number of young Solars get their best gear by raiding their own tombs, and many Second Age states, most notably the powerful city-state of Lookshy, have risen to power in whole or in part on how much First Age technology they've managed to scavenge and/or preserve.

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* This is a major element and theme throughout World of Darkness ''TabletopGame/WorldOfDarkness'' roleplaying games. Magic, monsters, heroes and spirits used to be greater in the old glory days. The game which relies on this trope most might be the Vampire games. Vampires being pretty much immortal have a lot of elders still alive and they benefit both from growing more powerful with age and from being just inherently more awesome because they were made in the olden days by vampires related closer to the first vampire. The supposed end of the world that may not be far off is predicted to be caused by the rise of all the most ancient and powerful vampires who are believed to be asleep.
* The standard setting of ''{{Exalted}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' is assumed to be the Second Age of Creation. Most of the best technology comes from the First Age. This is because the Solars, the most powerful of the Exalted, ruled Creation during the first age, and used their superhuman skills to create advanced {{Magitek}} wonders. After the weaker Dragon-Blooded killed the Solars and took control of Creation, they simply weren't able to keep up the kind of standards the Solars could. Because of the way reincarnation works in Exalted, a surprising number of young Solars get their best gear by raiding their own tombs, and many Second Age states, most notably the powerful city-state of Lookshy, have risen to power in whole or in part on how much First Age technology they've managed to scavenge and/or preserve.



* In ''[[VideoGame/{{Diablo}} Diablo II]]'' (and clones) all of the items with more obscure ancient names are for some reason better.

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* In ''[[VideoGame/{{Diablo}} Diablo II]]'' ''VideoGame/{{Diablo}}'' (and clones) all of the items with more obscure ancient names are for some reason better.



* In one episode of {{Thundercats}}, Mumm-Ra is poking around in disguise by a (you guessed it) ancient pyramid. He's trying to open the lock on the door, and muses, "Ah, a very ancient lock design, unknown on Third Earth for a thousand years. Unknown, that is, except to one who has ''lived'' for a thousand years!"

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* In one episode of {{Thundercats}}, ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats}}'', Mumm-Ra is poking around in disguise by a (you guessed it) ancient pyramid. He's trying to open the lock on the door, and muses, "Ah, a very ancient lock design, unknown on Third Earth for a thousand years. Unknown, that is, except to one who has ''lived'' for a thousand years!"



* Played straight and averted in {{StarWarsRebels}}. The Rebellion often has to salvage pieces of Clone Wars era technology to help gear up for their fight against the Empire. While vehicles such as the old Republic's AT-TE are hopelessly outmatched by their newer counterparts, the AT-AT; Rex's old 1st generation Clone Trooper armor constantly shows itself superior to the newer stormtrooper armor.

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* Played straight and averted in {{StarWarsRebels}}.''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels''. The Rebellion often has to salvage pieces of Clone Wars era technology to help gear up for their fight against the Empire. While vehicles such as the old Republic's AT-TE are hopelessly outmatched by their newer counterparts, the AT-AT; Rex's old 1st generation Clone Trooper armor constantly shows itself superior to the newer stormtrooper armor.
13th Jun '17 12:18:11 PM Caps-luna
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** Prior to proliferation of computers in the late fifties and sixties, it was considerably cheaper to over engineer projects than it was to hire someone to do advanced calculations to save building material. As a result many older structures are ridiculously strong by modern standards.
16th May '17 8:56:55 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' roll on this. Ancient Dwemer and Elven armors are better than modern day armors, despite being made (ostensibly) from the same kind of materials. Only armors made of specifically rarer material, such as Glass, Ebony or Daedric Ebony, are better.
** Somewhat averted in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'': Dwemer armor and weapons are made from Dwemer metal, which can only be found in Dwemer ruins (in the form of Dwemer-made metal objects). Once you obtain the material and the skills needed to craft the armour and weapons, you'll not only be able to make your own, but also improve their attributes even further. Moreover, the Ancient Nord weapons that you find lying around in Nord burial mounds are weaker and heavier than modern steel weapons.
** It is implied that weakness of the ancient Nord weapons and armor is because of decay from old age. If you complete the Companions' Guild, you gain access to techniques for reforging the ancient Nord weapons into brand spanking new (but otherwise identical) "Nord Hero" weapons and upgrading the ancient Nord armor, which makes them a viable choice for equipment.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' roll on this. ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
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Ancient Dwemer [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]] weapons and Elven armors armor, despite their age, are still better than the majority of modern day armors, despite being made (ostensibly) from equivalents. Justified given the same kind RagnarokProofing and [[RealityWarper Reality Warping]] that went into the items' creation. The Dwemer were said to alter the "Earth Bones," which were the parts of materials. Only armors made the Aedra that were used to create and define the laws of specifically rarer material, such as Glass, Ebony or Daedric Ebony, are better.
** Somewhat averted
the world, in order to create their technologies, which have since been [[LostTechnology lost]] in the millennia since their [[RiddleForTheAges mysterious disappearance]]. ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'': Skyrim]]'''s crafting system ''does'' allow for the "forging" and improving upon Dwemer armor and weapons are made from gear using Dwemer metal, which can only be found in but it's implied that you're just melting down the already Ragnarok-Proofed metal and using it, not replicating exactly what the Dwemer ruins (in the did to create it initially.
** While most games have some
form of Dwemer-made metal objects). Once you obtain "Elven" equipment, ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'' implies that it is actually the material equipment of Cyrodiil's native Ayleids (Wild Elves) who, like the Dwemer, have been extinct as a unique race for thousands of years. It's a middle-tier light armor and the skills needed to craft the armour and weapons, you'll not weapon set, with only be able to make your own, but also improve their attributes even further. Moreover, armors made of specifically [[FantasyMetals rarer material]], such as Glass, Ebony or Daedric Ebony, being better.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'''s "ancient Nord" equipment plays with
the trope. The Ancient Nord weapons that you find lying around in Nord burial mounds are weaker weaker, heavier, and heavier less valuable than even modern steel weapons.
** It
weapons. However, it is implied that weakness of the ancient Nord weapons and armor is because of decay from old age. If you complete the Companions' Guild, quest line, you gain access to techniques for reforging the ancient Nord weapons into brand spanking new (but otherwise identical) "Nord Hero" weapons and upgrading the ancient Nord armor, which makes them a viable late-game choice for equipment.
29th Apr '17 2:47:50 AM Yukianesa
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*** One of the ultimate examples of this trope in the game is the fact that the Heavy Stubber, a capable and reliable heavy weapon often found gracing Imperial vehicles and emplacements and churned out of Forge Worlds by the millions out of their simplicity, ease of use and ability to pump out reasonably powerful MoreDakka, is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning Browning M2]]. A gun first designed in ''1918'' still finds use ''fourty thousand years later''. OlderIsBetter indeed.
23rd Apr '17 10:22:10 AM nombretomado
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* In ''SwordOfTheStars'' the player-buildable Asteroid Monitors introduced in ''Argos Naval Yard'' are inferior to the {{Random| Encounters}}ly-encountered ones built by past Morrigi.

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* In ''SwordOfTheStars'' ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars'' the player-buildable Asteroid Monitors introduced in ''Argos Naval Yard'' are inferior to the {{Random| Encounters}}ly-encountered ones built by past Morrigi.
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