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3rd May '18 8:54:01 PM Thecommander236
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* Strangely enough, this is true for the Wright brothers' prototype plane. The original version of their plane worked fine and the flight times could be improved with enough practice. On one of the anniversaries of the first flight, a replica was made of the plane and turned out to be completely unable to take to the sky. No one is quite sure why, but it probably means that the brothers left some important bit out of the blueprints.



24th Apr '18 2:38:00 PM Caps-luna
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** To elaborate, planned obsolescence is an idea that caught on (in the United States) in the thirties through fifties. The idea came about after several companies in the roaring twenties went belly up in the thirties (helping cause the depression) because their own reliable products killed any possibility of repeat business. Manufactures then wizened up and decided they didn't need to make products that last forever, only until they become unfashionable (which to be fair also made them affordable to more people). Thus its not rare find some refrigerators from the early fifties still happily ticking away after decades of minimal maintenance while seeing fridges from the nineties doing the same is comparatively rare. However it should be noted this is starting to be subverted as the proliferation of used car dealerships and sites like e-bay assisting second hand sales has created a market for new reliable machines and some manufacturers are starting to .
2nd Feb '18 10:25:14 PM JoshCarter85
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* Asura in ''Manga/SoulEater'' is the first kishin to have ever formed, and is the strongest by far. Although there is some evidence he's also the only one who actually managed to evolve into a full kishin; the others are killed before they become too powerful.
** Excalibur is the original [[LivingWeapon demon weapon]], and was used as the blueprint when the witch Arachne created all the others. He is by far the strongest, and anyone can wield him with ease. The only thing that prevents anyone from using him is his [[TalkativeLoon excruciatingly grating personality]].



* Asura in ''Manga/SoulEater'' is the first kishin to have ever formed, and is the strongest by far. Although there is some evidence he's also the only one who actually managed to evolve into a full kishin; the others are killed before they become too powerful.
** Excalibur is the original [[LivingWeapon demon weapon]], and was used as the blueprint when the witch Arachne created all the others. He is by far the strongest, and anyone can wield him with ease. The only thing that prevents anyone from using him is his [[TalkativeLoon excruciatingly grating personality]].
2nd Feb '18 10:22:54 PM JoshCarter85
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* Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' gain strength with age and fame. Gilgamesh, being the oldest Heroic Spirit, uses this to compensate for being up against more famous Heroic spirits in both the [[LightNovel/FateZero Fourth Grail War]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight the Fifth Grail War]]. [[WorldsStrongestMan Not that he'd need it]].
** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin (UsefulNotes/SasakiKojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 1500 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
** This also applies to Noble Phantasms which are based on a Plato's Idea of Form. In general, the older a Phantasm, and thus closer it is to the original conception. As a result an older Phantasm will defeat any similar Phantasm born from a newer iteration of the legend (e.g Gram, the Sword pulled from the Tree, of Norse Mythology is superior to the Sword in the Stone of Arthurian lore). Gilgamesh possesses "prototypes"(Perfect Form) of all later Noble Phantasms, each one significantly stronger than its more well-known derivatives.
** This is actually a {{Franchise/Nasuverse}} rule of magic in general. Creatures and magical artifacts also get stronger with age. A sufficiently aged magic sword can tear apart a modern mage's barrier simply by being drawn. A creature from the Age of the Gods, is so powerful they are consider on par with the Five True Magics.
** Subverted by Archer. He's technically the newest Heroic Spirit [[spoiler:since he's from the future]]. While he's pretty weak stat-wise, he's also arguably the most powerful Servant summoned in the Grail War [[spoiler:since he doesn't actually fight with Noble Phantasms. He's a ''RealityWarper''. The nature of his powers also makes him the perfect counter to Gilgamesh.]]
** Magic itself also follows this rule. Servant Caster, who lived in the Age of Gods [[Myth/ClassicalMythology (Ancient Greece)]], can use very powerful spells using few (and sometimes only one) word, while modern magic users need one minute to conjure magic of such power, it's no wonder that her "High-Speed Divine Words" skill is at A level. Even the exceptionally rare True Magic (which cannot be learned and only randomly crops up as the inherent trait of some lucky magus) can't compare to magic from the Age of Gods, as it tends to be extremely specialized whereas Caster can use her ancient magic for basically anything she pleases.
* Asura in ''Manga/SoulEater'' is the first kishin to have ever formed, and is the strongest by far. Although there is some evidence he's also the only one who actually managed to evolve into a full kishin; the others are killed before they become too powerful.
** Excalibur is the original [[LivingWeapon demon weapon]], and was used as the blueprint when the witch Arachne created all the others. He is by far the strongest, and anyone can wield him with ease. The only thing that prevents anyone from using him is his [[TalkativeLoon excruciatingly grating personality]].

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* Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' gain strength with age and fame. Gilgamesh, being the oldest Heroic Spirit, uses this to compensate for being up against more famous Heroic spirits in both the [[LightNovel/FateZero Fourth Grail War]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight the Fifth Grail War]]. [[WorldsStrongestMan Not that he'd need it]].
** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin (UsefulNotes/SasakiKojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 1500 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
** This also applies to Noble Phantasms which are based on a Plato's Idea of Form. In general, the older a Phantasm, and thus closer it is to the original conception. As a result an older Phantasm will defeat any similar Phantasm born from a newer iteration of the legend (e.g Gram, the Sword pulled from the Tree, of Norse Mythology is superior to the Sword in the Stone of Arthurian lore). Gilgamesh possesses "prototypes"(Perfect Form) of all later Noble Phantasms, each one significantly stronger than its more well-known derivatives.
** This is actually a {{Franchise/Nasuverse}} rule of magic in general. Creatures and magical artifacts also get stronger with age. A sufficiently aged magic sword can tear apart a modern mage's barrier simply by being drawn. A creature from the Age of the Gods, is so powerful they are consider on par with the Five True Magics.
** Subverted by Archer. He's technically the newest Heroic Spirit [[spoiler:since he's from the future]]. While he's pretty weak stat-wise, he's also arguably the most powerful Servant summoned in the Grail War [[spoiler:since he doesn't actually fight with Noble Phantasms. He's a ''RealityWarper''. The nature of his powers also makes him the perfect counter to Gilgamesh.]]
** Magic itself also follows this rule. Servant Caster, who lived in the Age of Gods [[Myth/ClassicalMythology (Ancient Greece)]], can use very powerful spells using few (and sometimes only one) word, while modern magic users need one minute to conjure magic of such power, it's no wonder that her "High-Speed Divine Words" skill is at A level. Even the exceptionally rare True Magic (which cannot be learned and only randomly crops up as the inherent trait of some lucky magus) can't compare to magic from the Age of Gods, as it tends to be extremely specialized whereas Caster can use her ancient magic for basically anything she pleases.
* Asura in ''Manga/SoulEater'' is the first kishin to have ever formed, and is the strongest by far. Although there is some evidence he's also the only one who actually managed to evolve into a full kishin; the others are killed before they become too powerful.
** Excalibur is the original [[LivingWeapon demon weapon]], and was used as the blueprint when the witch Arachne created all the others. He is by far the strongest, and anyone can wield him with ease. The only thing that prevents anyone from using him is his [[TalkativeLoon excruciatingly grating personality]].



* In the Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}, all things magical run on this principle. This is what makes [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]] so powerful; he's the first Heroic Spirit.

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* In the Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}, all things magical run on this principle. Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' gain strength with age and fame. Gilgamesh, being the oldest Heroic Spirit, uses this to compensate for being up against more famous Heroic spirits in both the [[LightNovel/FateZero Fourth Grail War]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight the Fifth Grail War]]. [[WorldsStrongestMan Not that he'd need it]].
** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin (UsefulNotes/SasakiKojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 1500 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
** This also applies to Noble Phantasms which are based on a Plato's Idea of Form. In general, the older a Phantasm, and thus closer it is to the original conception. As a result an older Phantasm will defeat any similar Phantasm born from a newer iteration of the legend (e.g Gram, the Sword pulled from the Tree, of Norse Mythology is superior to the Sword in the Stone of Arthurian lore). Gilgamesh possesses "prototypes"(Perfect Form) of all later Noble Phantasms, each one significantly stronger than its more well-known derivatives.
**
This is what makes [[Literature/TheEpicOfGilgamesh Gilgamesh]] actually a {{Franchise/Nasuverse}} rule of magic in general. Creatures and magical artifacts also get stronger with age. A sufficiently aged magic sword can tear apart a modern mage's barrier simply by being drawn. A creature from the Age of the Gods, is so powerful; powerful they are consider on par with the Five True Magics.
** Subverted by Archer. He's technically the newest Heroic Spirit [[spoiler:since
he's from the future]]. While he's pretty weak stat-wise, he's also arguably the most powerful Servant summoned in the Grail War [[spoiler:since he doesn't actually fight with Noble Phantasms. He's a ''RealityWarper''. The nature of his powers also makes him the perfect counter to Gilgamesh.]]
** Magic itself also follows this rule. Servant Caster, who lived in the Age of Gods [[Myth/ClassicalMythology (Ancient Greece)]], can use very powerful spells using few (and sometimes only one) word, while modern magic users need one minute to conjure magic of such power, it's no wonder that her "High-Speed Divine Words" skill is at A level. Even the exceptionally rare True Magic (which cannot be learned and only randomly crops up as the inherent trait of some lucky magus) can't compare to magic from the Age of Gods, as it tends to be extremely specialized whereas Caster can use her ancient magic for basically anything she pleases.
* Asura in ''Manga/SoulEater'' is
the first Heroic Spirit.
kishin to have ever formed, and is the strongest by far. Although there is some evidence he's also the only one who actually managed to evolve into a full kishin; the others are killed before they become too powerful.
** Excalibur is the original [[LivingWeapon demon weapon]], and was used as the blueprint when the witch Arachne created all the others. He is by far the strongest, and anyone can wield him with ease. The only thing that prevents anyone from using him is his [[TalkativeLoon excruciatingly grating personality]].
31st Jan '18 7:39:00 AM thatother1dude
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** It is however PlayedStraight with the gems themselves which thanks to homeworld's resource shortage era 2 gems are inferior to their era 1 counterparts. For instance era 2 [[TheEngineer Peridots]] are small and lack the SuperStrength and [[SpontaneousWeaponCreation weapon summoning]] ([[spoiler:though our Peridot found out she has [[ExtraOreDinary ferrokinetic abilities]]]]) all era 1 gems possess and only have SuperToughness and reliance on technology while era 2 [[RedshirtArmy Rubies]] seem [[DumbMuscle less intelligent.]]

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** It is however PlayedStraight with the gems themselves which thanks to homeworld's resource shortage era 2 gems are inferior to their era 1 counterparts. For instance era 2 [[TheEngineer Peridots]] are small and lack the SuperStrength SuperStrength, shapeshifting, and [[SpontaneousWeaponCreation weapon summoning]] all era 1 gems possess ([[spoiler:though our Peridot found out she has [[ExtraOreDinary ferrokinetic abilities]]]]) all era 1 gems possess and only have SuperToughness and reliance on technology while era 2 [[RedshirtArmy Rubies]] seem [[DumbMuscle less intelligent.]]
25th Jan '18 1:05:26 PM ultimomant
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* Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' gain strength with age and fame. Gilgamesh, being the oldest Heroic Spirit, uses this to compensate by being up against more famous Heroic spirits in both the [[LightNovel/FateZero Fourth Grail War]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight the Fifth Grail War]]. [[WorldsStrongestMan Not that he´d need it]].
** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin/Sasaki Kojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 1500 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.

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* Servants from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' gain strength with age and fame. Gilgamesh, being the oldest Heroic Spirit, uses this to compensate by for being up against more famous Heroic spirits in both the [[LightNovel/FateZero Fourth Grail War]] and [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight the Fifth Grail War]]. [[WorldsStrongestMan Not that he´d he'd need it]].
** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin/Sasaki Kojiro), Assassin (UsefulNotes/SasakiKojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 1500 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
1st Jan '18 7:15:32 AM NamelessFragger
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* Both averted in RealLife or TruthInTelevision depending on the technology involved. As [[TechnologyMarchesOn technology has marched on]], one of the most significant differences has been the change from human labor being cheap and materials being expensive to materials being cheap and human labor being expensive. When metal, fabrics and polymers were just this side of {{Unobtainium}} the consumer would not only want something that could last, but also something that could be easily repaired. When labourers were literally a dime a dozen and worked 18 hour shifts it was simple to provide all those little things that would ensure good quality. Today technology has allowed materials like aluminum and plastics to replace (possibly) more durable wood and steel and replaced hand craftsmanship with cheap mass fabrication.

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* Both averted in RealLife or TruthInTelevision depending on the technology involved. As [[TechnologyMarchesOn technology has marched on]], one of the most significant differences has been the change from human labor being cheap and materials being expensive to materials being cheap and human labor being expensive. When metal, fabrics and polymers were just this side of {{Unobtainium}} the consumer would not only want something that could last, but also something that could be easily repaired. When labourers were literally a dime a dozen and worked 18 hour shifts it was simple to provide all those little things that would ensure good quality. Today Today, technology has allowed materials like aluminum and plastics to replace (possibly) more durable wood and steel and replaced hand craftsmanship with cheap mass fabrication.



* One of the reasons for the prevalence of this trope is the appearence of the "throw away culture" where new products are built with lesser durability or with a set "shell life" in comparison to their older counterparts to stimulate consumption. This becomes a greater problem for the people of countries that are not from the First World for whom buying a car or a fridge is already a costly investment and would prefer reliability over novelty.

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* One of the reasons for the prevalence of this trope is the appearence of the "throw away culture" where new products are built with lesser durability or with a set "shell "shelf life" in comparison to their older counterparts to stimulate consumption. This becomes a greater problem for the people of countries that are not from the First World for whom buying a car or a fridge is already a costly investment and would prefer reliability over novelty.



*** The same happened back in WWII. Cavalry were among the Soviet troops who gave the Germans the most trouble in the early stages after control and logistics were lost. In the short term, they needed only machine gun / rifle ammo and food, and horses are good for bad terrain and can graze with zero logistical consideration in lush terrain. In comparison, Soviet [[http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tanks-heavy/kv-2.asp heavy tanks]] were by far the most powerful of their time, but without directions and supply, got reduced to lonely light fortifications holding a tiny spot until they ran out of shells -- at best.
** Single engine propeller-driven ground attack/fighters are making a comeback, even with the United States Air Force. Although slower and lower-flying than jets, the prop planes have much more loiter capability, allowing them to hang around an area for hours and making them useful in dealing with insurgents or drug producers/smugglers. And a slower aircraft is easier to fire from accurately if your opponant has lacking ability to fire back at the easier target.

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*** The same happened back in WWII.[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII WWII]]. Cavalry were among the Soviet troops who gave the Germans the most trouble in the early stages after control and logistics were lost. In the short term, they needed only machine gun / rifle ammo and food, and horses are good for bad terrain and can graze with zero logistical consideration in lush terrain. In comparison, Soviet [[http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tanks-heavy/kv-2.asp heavy tanks]] were by far the most powerful of their time, but without directions and supply, got reduced to lonely light fortifications holding a tiny spot until they ran out of shells -- at best.
** When UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar occured, the United States made the assumption that guided missiles like the AIM-9 Sidewinder, AIM-9 Sparrow and AIM-4 Falcon would make OldSchoolDogfighting obsolete, resulting in the F-4 Phantom lacking guns entirely and the F-8 Crusader being nicknamed "The Last Gunfighter" simply due to retaining them. The Soviet [=MiG-15=] and [=MiG-17=] still relied on guns, and due to the unreliability of early air-to-air missiles at the time, actually won a fair number of dogfights against the F-4 Phantom.
*** It is for ''[[CrazyPrepared this exact reason]]'' that later variants of the Phantom added an internal gun (and had external gunpods before then as a stopgap measure), and every air superiority fighter designed in the US since then features a gun, even as air-to-air missile reliability improved to the point that a modern AIM-120 AMRAAM can very easily kill from beyond visual range.
** Single engine propeller-driven ground attack/fighters are making a comeback, even with the United States Air Force. Although slower and lower-flying than jets, the prop planes have much more loiter capability, allowing them to hang around an area for hours and making them useful in dealing with insurgents or drug producers/smugglers. And a slower aircraft is easier to fire from accurately if your opponant opponent has lacking ability to fire back at the easier target.



* The vinyl LP record is still preferred over compact disks and other binary musical formats by connoisseurs (although the LoudnessWar carries equal blame).
* Many photographers never use the full automatic mode when transitioning from film camera to digital. They achieve better results on manual mode[[note]]Or at least semi-manual modes such as shutter-priority or aperture-priority, or using program mode but in all cases leaving some parameters such as ISO speed to be selectable, depending of what is allowed or not by the camera.[[/note]] - they are used to it and can use it to obtain best results. They also favor their extant old lenses, which usually are metal and glass, over more modern all-plastic lenses, which are lighter but less robust.

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** This extends to audiophile equipment in general, solid-state and vacuum tube alike; a vintage amp or integrated receiver from the 1970s is generally considered better than most of the cost-reduced equipment from the 1980s and later, often with fully-discrete components as opposed to integrated circuits, and perfectly smooth, damped volume and tuner knobs. The particularly expensive stuff like [=McIntosh=] gear even held its value remarkably well over the decades, especially if serviced for components that tend to drift out of spec over time, such as electrolytic capacitors.
*** Ultimately a ZigZaggedTrope in terms of peak audio performance; you can get equipment today that sonically blows away vintage equivalents, especially speakers, from a sheer fidelity standpoint, but CrackIsCheaper compared to just buying top-of-the-line equipment from the 1970s, even if the increasing awareness of vintage audio value has driven prices up for systems made in that period, particularly by brands like Marantz, Pioneer and Sansui.
* The vinyl LP record is still preferred over compact disks Compact Discs and other binary digital musical formats by connoisseurs (although connoisseurs, although the LoudnessWar carries equal blame).
blame.
* Cathode Ray Tube displays may be bulky, heavy, incredibly power-inefficient and require some analog tweaking to get right, but they also do not have the viewing angle issues modern Liquid Crystal Displays do, as well as much deeper black levels (and improved static contrast as a result), much lower image persistence due to their strobing nature, practically zero input lag, higher refresh rates than the typical 60 [=Hz=] flat-panel (with the best examples topping out at 160 to 180 [=Hz=] at lower resolutions!), and unlike any other display technology, they do not have native resolutions or strictly square pixels. This makes the humble old CRT the ideal choice for any retro computer or gaming console made with its properties in mind.
** Consider that a Sony [=GDM-FW900=] monitor is still considered one of the best PC gaming monitors in existence even a decade and a half after its production, with people still willing to pay top dollar for a working one because it's also one of the few instances of a ''widescreen'' CRT monitor with the performance of a professional graphics display. Aside from space, power consumption, and the missing VGA output on modern graphics cards making it difficult to extract the most out of its performance (driving [=1920x1200=] at 95 [=Hz=] requires a fast RAMDAC beyond what a typical [=DisplayPort=] or HDMI to VGA adapter can offer), it is the closest to a "no compromise" display that one could ask for.
** Also consider that for the above-stated reasons, the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Melee'' community insists on CRT displays for playing at a competitive level. The FightingGame community in general is more tolerant of modern flat-panel displays so long as the input lag is below [=16ms=] (under one frame at a 60 Hz refresh rate), but some will still favor a CRT if given the choice.
* Many photographers never use the full automatic mode when transitioning from film camera to digital. They achieve better results on manual mode[[note]]Or at least semi-manual modes such as shutter-priority or aperture-priority, or using program mode but in all cases leaving some parameters such as ISO speed to be selectable, depending of what is allowed or not by the camera.[[/note]] - they are used to it and can use it to obtain best results. They also favor their extant old lenses, which are usually are metal metal, glass and glass, built to last, over more modern all-plastic lenses, which are lighter but less robust.



** Vintage lenses are usually so well-built, and yet so affordable second-hand that it's not unheard for people to adapt them to modern digital camera bodies. This does require giving up the convenience of auto-focus, as that did not become commonplace until the late 1980s, but they can still hold their own in terms of optical quality. Manual-focus lenses also tend to have much better-built adjustment rings, with solid detents for aperture adjustment and focus rings that are smooth, damped, and easy to dial in just right.



** Prior to proliferation of computers in the late fifties and sixties, it was considerably cheaper to over engineer projects than it was to hire someone to do advanced calculations to save building material. As a result many older structures are ridiculously strong by modern standards. An often cited example is the comparison between Hoover Dam and the Three Gorges Dam. The Hoover Am was built in the 30s without access to computers or the same technology as the later and used a more complicated design. It hasn't cracked yet. The Three Gorges Dam however was engineered to be built quickly and use as little concrete as was needed. As was expected it formed, several non-critical cracks even though its just a long pile of cement.

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** Prior to the proliferation of computers in the late fifties and sixties, it was considerably cheaper to over engineer projects than it was to hire someone to do advanced calculations to save building material. As a result many older structures are ridiculously strong by modern standards. An often cited example is the comparison between Hoover Dam and the Three Gorges Dam. The Hoover Am was built in the 30s without access to computers or the same technology as the later and used a more complicated design. It hasn't cracked yet. The Three Gorges Dam however was engineered to be built quickly and use as little concrete as was needed. As was expected it formed, several non-critical cracks even though its just a long pile of cement.



* Frequently encountered in software. There can be numerous reasons behind this - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep featuritis]] could render a more recent version impractical compared to an earlier one that was deft and focused in its design, or perhaps the developers behind the original software moved on and the quality of future versions suffered as a result of their design philosophies clashing with that of new staff in charge of a project, or a drastic change in design direction makes transferring to a new version more of a hassle than it's worth, sometimes newest versions actually cut useful features because of perceived unpopularity... For a well-known example, remember how many people stuck with XP when Vista was released, due to the latter's notoriously slow technical performance and Useful Useless[[note]]until they were improved in W7, at least.[[/note]] Aero features. This repeated with the release of W8.

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* Frequently encountered in software. There can be numerous reasons behind this - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep featuritis]] could render a more recent version impractical compared to an earlier one that was deft and focused in its design, or perhaps the developers behind the original software moved on and the quality of future versions suffered as a result of their design philosophies clashing with that of new staff in charge of a project, or a drastic change in design direction makes transferring to a new version more of a hassle than it's worth, sometimes newest versions actually cut useful features because of perceived unpopularity... unpopularity...
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For a well-known example, remember how many people stuck with XP when Vista was released, due to the latter's notoriously slow technical performance and Useful Useless[[note]]until they were improved in W7, Windows 7, at least.[[/note]] Aero features. This repeated with the release of W8.Windows 8.
** There are communities known for a devoted preference to the Classic UsefulNotes/AppleMacintosh OS as opposed to the more modern, [=NeXTSTEP=]-derived [=Mac OS X/macOS=], particularly those in need of a Digital Audio Workstation without the distractions and potential sources of latency that a preemptive multi-tasking OS would bring. It's for this exact reason that a late-model Quicksilver or Mirrored Drive Doors Power Mac G4 holds its value a lot better than the later Power Mac G5 - aside from the [=G5s=] being infamously prone to failure over the years, often a result of being ill-suited to dispersing the heat output of the [=PowerPC=] 970 G5, they cannot run the Classic Mac OS natively, and the Classic mode in OS X up through 10.4 Tiger (10.5 Leopard removed it) is not an adequate substitute.
** An even more extreme case that blends into hardware choice is the UsefulNotes/CommodoreAmiga user base, as they often equip their vintage Commodore-era Amigas with [=PowerPC=] accelerator cards, or sometimes pick out specific [=PowerPC=] boards (Macs need not apply), just for the sole purpose of running [=AmigaOS 4.1=] as opposed to switching over to Windows, [=macOS=] or Linux like the rest of the world.
6th Dec '17 10:02:03 AM DustSnitch
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Today, it's definitely not a JustifiedTrope in RealLife. Modern science has surpassed the philosophy of the ancients, meaning newly adopted technology has important advantages over older technologies. It does not have to be an improvement in all areas, but there is generally an overall improvement, which is why the technology could replace older versions. However, in pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines (un-touched by the scientific method), the idea persists: these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, so that must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related. [[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking the idea.

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Today, it's definitely not a JustifiedTrope in RealLife. Modern science has surpassed the philosophy science of the ancients, meaning newly adopted technology has important advantages over older technologies. It does not have to be an improvement in all areas, but there is generally an overall improvement, which is why the technology could replace older versions. However, in pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines (un-touched by the scientific method), the idea persists: these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, so that must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related. [[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking the idea.
19th Nov '17 7:19:42 AM Saber15
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* A major element in the ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' and ''VideoGame/MechWarrior'' universe. Many of the equipment from the days of the Star League were well advanced for their time and were simply much better than the newer, watered-down equivalents of the much later eras to the point that any such equipment (Star League-era, of course) is highly coveted upon. Alas, with the Star League folded, the technology has been all but reduced to [[LostTechnology lost relics]] since most of the galaxy's technological and industrial bases ended up getting smashed in a lengthy series of civil wars, losing them the ability to produce their highly advanced technology. Thus, newer mechs tend to be less capable in combat when paired up against similar mechs that were built hundreds of years earlier. Of course, if you HAVE such an old (but powerful) mech, you try to make sure it gets the best of maintenance so it will continue to be the best.
** This was only true up to around 3040. Modern designs like the ''Hauptmann'' and ''Uriel'' are at least as good as their Star League counterparts, and the Clans, who were unaffected by the Succession Wars, field mechs that are ''vastly'' superior to equipment from ''any'' era in the Inner Sphere.

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* A major element in the ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' and ''VideoGame/MechWarrior'' universe. Many of the equipment from the days of the Star League were well advanced for their time and were simply much better than the newer, watered-down equivalents of the much later eras to the point that any such equipment (Star League-era, of course) is highly coveted upon. Alas, with the Star League folded, the technology has been all but reduced to [[LostTechnology lost relics]] since most of the galaxy's technological and industrial bases ended up getting smashed in a lengthy series during [[ForeverWar 300 years of civil wars, war]], losing them the ability to produce their highly advanced technology. Thus, newer mechs tend to be less capable in combat when paired up against similar mechs that were built hundreds of years earlier. Of course, if you HAVE such an old (but powerful) mech, you try to make sure it gets the best of maintenance so it will continue to be the best.
** This [[ApocalypseNot However, over the decades]] lost technology was only true up recovered and relatively low-level warfare allowed the nations to around 3040. Modern designs rebuild; the late [=3030s=] or 3040 often considered a tipping point where new mechs like the ''Hauptmann'' and ''Uriel'' are at least as good as equal to their Star League counterparts, and predecessors, though it took over a decade for the revived tech to truly propagate. The Clans, who were unaffected by the Succession Wars, field mechs that are ''vastly'' superior to equipment from ''any'' era in the Inner Sphere.
18th Nov '17 9:27:30 PM Epicazeroth
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** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin/Sasaki Kojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 5000 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.

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** The boost his opponents get from being more popular, as Rin explains, is actually pretty insignificant[[note]]That boost would be far more significant in the actual location where a Servant's legend originated. For example, Lancer (Cú Chulainn) would be at his strongest in Ireland, Rider (Medusa), Caster (Medea) and Berserker (Heracles) would all be strongest in Greece and Saber (King Arthur) would be strongest in England and Wales...though the latter two are so universally renowned that they'd get some degree of power boost anywhere on Earth. But since the Holy Grail War takes place in Japan and none of the Servants in either the Fourth or Fifth Grail War was Japanese (aside from the "fake Servant" Assassin/Sasaki Kojiro), this didn't really come into play.[[/note]], whereas being 5000 1500 years older than any other spirit in the war is a gigantic boost to his power.
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