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27th Dec '16 12:46:31 PM StarSword
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* Key to the initial Cylon victory in the ''Series/BattlestarGalactica2003'' [[Recap/BattlestarGalactica2003S00E01MiniseriesPart1 miniseries]]. During the original Human-Cylon War, the Cylons frequently used cyberattacks against human ships and installations, so the humans reverted back to older, particularly compartmentalized and un-networked, computing technology. It slowed down communication but it also meant any cyberthreats could be easily isolated. But by the time the series starts they've had 40 years of peace, and the newer ships in the fleet have abandoned the practice, making them easy pickings for Cylon ships that could hack them, shut them down, and then beat on them completely unopposed. ''Galactica'' and its older and theoretically obsolete complement of Vipers, however, date back to the first war and are immune, making them the only Colonial military ships to survive the invasion [[spoiler:other than ''Galactica'''s sister ship ''Pegasus'']].
26th Dec '16 1:13:38 AM TheSinful
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* Played with in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11577216/1/A-Horse-For-the-Force A Horse for the Force]]'' where Ranma's TrainingFromHell based on ancient Chinese Amazon techniques allows him to NoSell blaster shots, however using more advanced technology like repulsors is far more effective than smashing someone with a boulder repeatedly.
14th Nov '16 8:17:10 PM epoxy
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Partially TruthInTelevision: ''the idea'' that ancient knowledge is superior to modern knowledge exists in the real world, but it doesn't always work out that way. [[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking this idea. It is also inferred in many pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines: that these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related.

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Partially At a certain time in Western civilization, this was TruthInTelevision: ''the idea'' Europe and Arabia emerged from TheDarkAges and into TheRenaissance by rediscovering the works of AncientGreece and AncientRome, re-learning technology that ancient knowledge is had been widely forgotten and disused for centuries. The romance of regaining superior to wisdom of a bygone age has been encoded in this trope ever since.

Today, it's no longer a JustifiedTrope in RealLife. Modern science has surpassed the philosophy of the ancients, meaning new technology is more reliable than old. However, in pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines (un-touched by the scientific method), the idea persists: these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, so that must mean that they are better than
modern knowledge exists in science! It's the real world, but same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it doesn't always work out that way.must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related. [[http://web.archive.org/web/20130727103912/http://www.badmartialarts.com/myths/ancient_knowledge.php Bad Martial Arts]] has a page debunking this idea. It is also inferred in many pseudosciences like astrology and some alternative medicines: that these ancient knowledges and traditions have been around for so long, unchanged, must mean that they are better than modern science! It's the same logic as with the OldMaster: if a tool has lasted for centuries and is still usable, then it must be damn good. Compare with AppealToTradition, to which this is related.
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1st Nov '16 9:51:53 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* Justified in ''Literature/TheLostFleet'', where Captain John "Black Jack" Geary finds out that, after the 100-year war with the Syndics, TheAlliance ships aren't up to par with the ships in his time, even though their weapons are more powerful and defenses better. Thanks to the horrendous attrition rate of the war, ships are no longer built to last. In Geary's time, ships would be built with the expected life of 50-100 years. Now, any ship that manages to survive 3 years is barely going to hold together, as quality control is virtually nonexistent. Additionally, everyone is sick and tired of the war, and wartime economy cannot be sustained indefinitely. Thus, cost-cutting is rampant, as evidenced by the new ''Adroit''-class battlecrusers that are worse than the previous battlecruiser design in every way.

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* Justified in ''Literature/TheLostFleet'', where Captain John "Black Jack" Geary finds out that, after the 100-year war with the Syndics, TheAlliance ships aren't up to par with the ships in his time, even though their weapons are more powerful and defenses better. Thanks to the horrendous attrition rate of the war, ships are no longer built to last. In Geary's time, ships would be built with the expected life of 50-100 years. Now, any ship that manages to survive 3 years is barely going to hold together, as quality control is virtually nonexistent. Additionally, everyone is sick and tired of the war, and wartime economy cannot be sustained indefinitely. Thus, cost-cutting is rampant, as evidenced by the new ''Adroit''-class battlecrusers that are worse than the previous battlecruiser design in every way. Attrition is also so bad that tactical training for new officers is almost nonexistent; they're just told to charge straight in and hope they win.
1st Nov '16 9:48:43 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and Númenórean weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Fëanor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty. Likewise, the modern-day dwarves of the Lonely Mountain haven't managed to match the weapons and armour that were made by their ancestors, whose techniques were lost when Smaug killed them.

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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and Númenórean weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Fëanor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty. Likewise, the modern-day dwarves of the Lonely Mountain haven't managed to match the weapons and armour that were made by their ancestors, whose techniques were lost when Smaug killed them.them (they do mention having made advances in mining techniques in that time though).
25th Oct '16 8:40:59 PM TheWildWestPyro
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** The M-16 and the Beretta aren't the only firearms to fall afoul of this trope:
*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the rifle it replaced, the G3, doesn't overheat as much . Because of that, German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36.

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** The M-16 [=M16=] and the Beretta aren't the only firearms to fall afoul of this trope:
*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the battle rifle it replaced, the G3, doesn't overheat as much . Because of that, German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36.
25th Oct '16 8:40:36 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer [=M16=]s would often jam, while the [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip AB49 / [=MK318=] rounds.

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* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer [=M16=]s would often jam, while the [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip AB49 [=AB49=] / [=MK318=] rounds.
25th Oct '16 8:40:22 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer [=M16=]s would often jam, while the [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip AB49/MK318 rounds.

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* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer [=M16=]s would often jam, while the [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip AB49/MK318 AB49 / [=MK318=] rounds.
25th Oct '16 8:40:05 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* When the M-16 was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older M-14. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer M-16s would often jam, while the M-14s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the M-16s would clean themselves. They did not.

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* When the M-16 [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older M-14. [=M14=] battle rifle. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer M-16s [=M16=]s would often jam, while the M-14s [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the M-16s [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip AB49/MK318 rounds.
21st Sep '16 11:40:21 PM YoshimitsuMaster
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** The M-16 and the Beretta aren't the only firearms to fall afoul of this trope:
*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the rifle it replaced, the G3, doesn't overheat as much . Because of that, German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36.
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