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29th Apr '17 2:47:50 AM Yukianesa
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*** One of the ultimate examples of this trope in the game is the fact that the Heavy Stubber, a capable and reliable heavy weapon often found gracing Imperial vehicles and emplacements and churned out of Forge Worlds by the millions out of their simplicity, ease of use and ability to pump out reasonably powerful MoreDakka, is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning Browning M2]]. A gun first designed in ''1918'' still finds use ''fourty thousand years later''. OlderIsBetter indeed.
23rd Apr '17 10:22:10 AM nombretomado
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* In ''SwordOfTheStars'' the player-buildable Asteroid Monitors introduced in ''Argos Naval Yard'' are inferior to the {{Random| Encounters}}ly-encountered ones built by past Morrigi.

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* In ''SwordOfTheStars'' ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars'' the player-buildable Asteroid Monitors introduced in ''Argos Naval Yard'' are inferior to the {{Random| Encounters}}ly-encountered ones built by past Morrigi.
13th Apr '17 5:41:39 PM TheWildWestPyro
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* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced during the Vietnam War, many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. While the M16's lighter direct-impingment gas system required more frequent cleaning than the gas-piston in the M14 some severe admin errors caused A) it using the wrong propellant [[note]] the propellant the gas system was designed for was not the one the US military had selected and the conversion was forgotten about [[\note]] causing even more fouling and B) the inexplicable myth of being self-cleaning, so no cleaning kits were issued. Combine those and humid, muddy jungle conditions, you have a very unreliable weapon. These teething problems where rectified and the system further improved in subsequent versions.

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* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced during the Vietnam War, many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. While the M16's lighter direct-impingment gas system required more frequent cleaning than the gas-piston in the M14 some severe admin errors caused A) it using the wrong propellant [[note]] the propellant the gas system was designed for was not the one the US military had selected and the conversion was forgotten about [[\note]] [[/note]] causing even more fouling and B) the inexplicable myth of being self-cleaning, so no cleaning kits were issued. Combine those and humid, muddy jungle conditions, you have a very unreliable weapon. These teething problems where rectified and the system further improved in subsequent versions.versions, with the [=M16A1=] being a significant improvement as the war progressed and the [=M16A4=] serving as the Marine Corps' service rifle until 2015.
31st Mar '17 9:27:06 PM RemiV
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* Played straight and averted in {{StarWarsRebels}}. The Rebellion often has to salvage pieces of Clone Wars era technology to gear up for their fight against the Empire. While vehicles such as the old Republic's AT-ET are hopelessly outmatched by their newer counterparts, the AT-AT; Rex's old 1st generation Clone Trooper armor constantly shows itself superior to the newer stormtrooper armor.

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* Played straight and averted in {{StarWarsRebels}}. The Rebellion often has to salvage pieces of Clone Wars era technology to help gear up for their fight against the Empire. While vehicles such as the old Republic's AT-ET AT-TE are hopelessly outmatched by their newer counterparts, the AT-AT; Rex's old 1st generation Clone Trooper armor constantly shows itself superior to the newer stormtrooper armor.
31st Mar '17 8:10:37 PM RemiV
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* Played straight and averted in {{StarWarsRebels}}. The Rebellion often has to salvage pieces of Clone Wars era technology to gear up for their fight against the Empire. While vehicles such as the old Republic's AT-ET are hopelessly outmatched by their newer counterparts, the AT-AT; Rex's old 1st generation Clone Trooper armor constantly shows itself superior to the newer stormtrooper armor.
19th Mar '17 12:54:58 PM TheKaizerreich
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*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle's plastic shell is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the battle rifle it replaced, the all-metal G3, didn't. Because of that, some German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36.

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*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle's plastic shell is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the battle rifle it replaced, the all-metal G3, didn't. Because of that, some German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36. Though while this problem was eventually fixed and basicly turning into a myth, the myth held on as late as 2016, when research was done on the problem - despite both amateur and professional researchers finding no issues with the rifle, politicians naturally insisted on replacing the rifle... again.
17th Mar '17 7:03:17 PM nombretomado
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** This is actually a {{Nasuverse}} rule of magic in general. Creatures and magical artifacts also get stronger with age. A sufficiently aged magic sword can tear apart a modern mage's barrier simply by being drawn. A creature from the Age of the Gods, is so powerful they are consider on par with the Five True Magics.

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** This is actually a {{Nasuverse}} {{Franchise/Nasuverse}} rule of magic in general. Creatures and magical artifacts also get stronger with age. A sufficiently aged magic sword can tear apart a modern mage's barrier simply by being drawn. A creature from the Age of the Gods, is so powerful they are consider on par with the Five True Magics.
8th Mar '17 11:16:26 AM nombretomado
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* A major element in the ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' and ''MechWarrior'' universe. Many of the equipment from the days of the Star League were well advanced for their time and were simply much better than the newer, watered-down equivalents of the much later eras to the point that any such equipment (Star League-era, of course) is highly coveted upon. Alas, with the Star League folded, the technology has been all but reduced to [[LostTechnology lost relics]] since most of the galaxy's technological and industrial bases ended up getting smashed in a lengthy series of civil wars, losing them the ability to produce their highly advanced technology. Thus, newer mechs tend to be less capable in combat when paired up against similar mechs that were built hundreds of years earlier. Of course, if you HAVE such an old (but powerful) mech, you try to make sure it gets the best of maintenance so it will continue to be the best.

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* A major element in the ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' and ''MechWarrior'' ''VideoGame/MechWarrior'' universe. Many of the equipment from the days of the Star League were well advanced for their time and were simply much better than the newer, watered-down equivalents of the much later eras to the point that any such equipment (Star League-era, of course) is highly coveted upon. Alas, with the Star League folded, the technology has been all but reduced to [[LostTechnology lost relics]] since most of the galaxy's technological and industrial bases ended up getting smashed in a lengthy series of civil wars, losing them the ability to produce their highly advanced technology. Thus, newer mechs tend to be less capable in combat when paired up against similar mechs that were built hundreds of years earlier. Of course, if you HAVE such an old (but powerful) mech, you try to make sure it gets the best of maintenance so it will continue to be the best.
6th Mar '17 7:22:47 PM AgentTasmania
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* Both averted in RealLife or TruthInTelevision depending on the technology involved. As [[TechnologyMarchesOn technology has marched on]], one of the most significant differences has been the change from human labor being cheap and materials being expensive to materials being cheap and human labor being expensive. When metal, fabrics and polymers were just this side of {{Unobtainium}} the consumer would not only want something that could last, but also something that could be easily repaired. When labourers were literally a dime a dozen and worked 18 hour shifts it was simple to provide all those little things that would ensure good quality. Today technology has allowed materials like aluminum and plastics to replace more durable wood and steel and also replaced hand craftsmanship with cheap mass fabrication.

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* Both averted in RealLife or TruthInTelevision depending on the technology involved. As [[TechnologyMarchesOn technology has marched on]], one of the most significant differences has been the change from human labor being cheap and materials being expensive to materials being cheap and human labor being expensive. When metal, fabrics and polymers were just this side of {{Unobtainium}} the consumer would not only want something that could last, but also something that could be easily repaired. When labourers were literally a dime a dozen and worked 18 hour shifts it was simple to provide all those little things that would ensure good quality. Today technology has allowed materials like aluminum and plastics to replace (possibly) more durable wood and steel and also replaced hand craftsmanship with cheap mass fabrication.



*** The same happened back in WWII. Cavalry were among the Soviet troops who gave the Germans the most trouble in the early stages after control and logistics were lost. In the short term, they needed only machine gun / rifle ammo and food, and horses are good for bad terrain. In comparison, Soviet [[http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tanks-heavy/kv-2.asp heavy tanks]] were by far the most powerful of their time, but without directions and supply, got reduced to lonely light fortifications holding a tiny spot until they ran out of shells -- at best.
** Single engine propeller-driven ground attack/fighters are making a comeback, even with the United States Air Force. Although slower and lower-flying than jets, the prop planes have much more loiter capability, allowing them to hang around an area for hours and making them useful in dealing with insurgents or drug producers/smugglers.
** This is why spacecraft always use laughably outdated computer hardware and software for mission-critical systems. Familiarity and reliability become far more important than raw power when a computer is thousands or millions of miles away from the nearest technical support.

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*** The same happened back in WWII. Cavalry were among the Soviet troops who gave the Germans the most trouble in the early stages after control and logistics were lost. In the short term, they needed only machine gun / rifle ammo and food, and horses are good for bad terrain and can graze with zero logistical consideration in lush terrain. In comparison, Soviet [[http://www.wwiivehicles.com/ussr/tanks-heavy/kv-2.asp heavy tanks]] were by far the most powerful of their time, but without directions and supply, got reduced to lonely light fortifications holding a tiny spot until they ran out of shells -- at best.
** Single engine propeller-driven ground attack/fighters are making a comeback, even with the United States Air Force. Although slower and lower-flying than jets, the prop planes have much more loiter capability, allowing them to hang around an area for hours and making them useful in dealing with insurgents or drug producers/smugglers. \n And a slower aircraft is easier to fire from accurately if your opponant has lacking ability to fire back at the easier target.
** This is why spacecraft always use laughably outdated computer hardware and software for mission-critical systems. Familiarity and reliability become far more important than raw power when a computer is thousands or millions of miles away from the nearest technical support.support or where any kind of servicing would be completely impossible as on automated probes.



** The quality or durability idea is in many cases completely mythical. As materials and precise manufacturing improve, something doing the same job may be able to keep doing it much longer with less maintenance. It wasn't until the 1980s that cars gained a 6th digit on their odometers because that was when they started regularly lasting past 100 000km/mi.



** Although taste is subjective, many think modern architecture and decor are cosmetically inferior to more traditional forms. A common critique is that modern decor does not blend well with non-modern elements or messes, so you will have to buy all modern furniture and always keep a tidy home.

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** Although taste is subjective, many think modern architecture and decor are cosmetically inferior to more traditional forms. A common critique is that modern decor does not blend well with non-modern elements or messes, so you will have to buy all modern furniture and always keep a tidy home. And, to many, the result is a cold, hard-edged, emotionless pile of contemptible trendiness.



* Frequently encountered in software. There can be numerous reasons behind this - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep featuritis]] could render a more recent version impractical compared to an earlier one that was deft and focused in its design, or perhaps the developers behind the original software moved on and the quality of future versions suffered as a result of their design philosophies clashing with that of new staff in charge of a project, or a drastic change in design direction makes transferring to a new version more of a hassle than it's worth, sometimes newest versions actually cut useful features because of perceived unpopularity... For a well-known example, remember how many people stuck with XP when Vista was released, due to the latter's notoriously slow technical performance and Useful Useless[[note]]until they were improved in W7, at least.[[/note]] Aero features.
* Subverted in Retrofuturists and followers of the Raygun Gothic Styles. They prefer older depictions of the future.
* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during the Vietnam War), many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. This was because, due to the jungle conditions they were in, the newer [=M16=]s would often jam, while the [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip [=AB49=] / [=MK318=] rounds.
** This occurred again when the Beretta M9 replaced the [=M1911A1=] as the standard side arm of the US military. Early Berettas suffered from a slide failure that could injure the shooter and damage the pistol. When the gun was taken into combat for Iraq and Afghanistan, there were was significant dissatisfaction about it's stopping power. In 2015 the US Army officially rejected continuation of the Beretta, and is now on course for another sidearm. In the spirit of this trope, there's talk of bringing back the [=M1911A1=] using modern materials.

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* Frequently encountered in software. There can be numerous reasons behind this - [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep featuritis]] could render a more recent version impractical compared to an earlier one that was deft and focused in its design, or perhaps the developers behind the original software moved on and the quality of future versions suffered as a result of their design philosophies clashing with that of new staff in charge of a project, or a drastic change in design direction makes transferring to a new version more of a hassle than it's worth, sometimes newest versions actually cut useful features because of perceived unpopularity... For a well-known example, remember how many people stuck with XP when Vista was released, due to the latter's notoriously slow technical performance and Useful Useless[[note]]until they were improved in W7, at least.[[/note]] Aero features.
features. This repeated with the release of W8.
* Subverted in Retrofuturists and followers of the Raygun Gothic Styles. They prefer older depictions of the future.
future for the campy character over comparatively dull and clinical modern technical visions.
* When the [=M16=] assault rifle was introduced (during during the Vietnam War), War, many soldiers preferred to use the older [=M14=] battle rifle. This While the M16's lighter direct-impingment gas system required more frequent cleaning than the gas-piston in the M14 some severe admin errors caused A) it using the wrong propellant [[note]] the propellant the gas system was because, due to designed for was not the one the US military had selected and the conversion was forgotten about [[\note]] causing even more fouling and B) the inexplicable myth of being self-cleaning, so no cleaning kits were issued. Combine those and humid, muddy jungle conditions they were in, conditions, you have a very unreliable weapon. These teething problems where rectified and the newer [=M16=]s would often jam, while the [=M14=]s were more rugged. To make matters worse, there was a rumor that the [=M16=]s would clean themselves. They did not. This is largely averted now with the M16 having been system further improved over the years to make it an excellent and reliable combat rifle that rarely jams. As well as that, the [=M4=] Carbine has nearly replaced the older [=M16A2=] as the U.S Army's main service rifle, while the Marine Corps is switching from the [=M16A4=] to the full-auto [=M4A1=] Carbine due to the latter's better maneuverability in vehicles and buildings, as well as outperforming the [=M16A4=] when using open-tip [=AB49=] / [=MK318=] rounds.
subsequent versions.
** This occurred again when the Beretta M9 92F (as M9) replaced the [=M1911A1=] as the standard side arm of the US military. Early Berettas suffered from a slide failure that could injure the shooter and damage the pistol.pistol (this was rectified in subsequent models with the 92FS). When the gun was taken into combat for Iraq and Afghanistan, there were was significant dissatisfaction about it's stopping power. In 2015 the US Army officially rejected continuation of the Beretta, and is now on course for another sidearm. In the spirit of this trope, there's talk of bringing back the [=M1911A1=] using modern materials.



*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the battle rifle it replaced, the G3, doesn't overheat as much . Because of that, German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36.

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*** The German G36 has a serious problem with overheating (the rifle rifle's plastic shell is reputed to become severely warped from firing two full magazines back-to-back in full-auto). By contrast, the battle rifle it replaced, the all-metal G3, doesn't overheat as much . didn't. Because of that, some German soldiers prefer their older G3s over the G36.
16th Feb '17 8:25:59 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Interesting, because ''Literature/HarryPotter'' seems to generally avert the trope: Magic evolves like science does. New discoveries are made. This is evident with Broomsticks: newer broomsticks are better for example: The Nimbus 2001 is better than the Nimbus 2000, who are both outdone by the more modern Firebolt.

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** Interesting, because ''Literature/HarryPotter'' seems to generally avert the trope: Magic evolves like science does. New discoveries are made. This is evident with Broomsticks: newer broomsticks are better for example: The Nimbus 2001 is better than the Nimbus 2000, who are both outdone by the more modern newer still Firebolt.


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** There is a theme that the witches and wizards of successive generations fail to live up to their predecessors. They had to look a generation back to find anyone capable of taking Voldemart in a duel and the best of Harry Potter's peers don't compare to the talents of their parents at similar ages. [[JustifiedTrope This trend starts]] with the murder, mind altering spells, scare tactics and discriminatory practice used by Lord Voldemart and associates, which prevented a lot of knowledge being passed down.
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