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18th Oct '16 4:13:34 PM Jhonny
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An often overlooked aspect of [=NIMBYism=] is the fear of the unknown. Projects that are dissimilar to those already up and running in the same area have a harder time convincing people. Say for instance a new light rail line is planned. In Germany or France, most people are familiar with light rail lines and have either lived near one in the past or seen one on holidays. In the US, most people don't know the first thing about them and thus fears are naturally bigger and [[ScareCampaign easier to exploit through political ads]]. Often people cannot possibly comprehend their own or other people's erstwhile opposition once the project is completed, as the benefits become apparent and the downsides turn out to have been exaggerated.
18th Oct '16 4:08:26 PM Jhonny
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* Highways and freeways. They make things easier for business and tourists, but also bring in a lot of noise and pollution. Residential areas are kept away from these for just these two reasons, and mostly businesses and public service buildings are near them.

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* Highways and freeways. They make things easier for business and tourists, but also bring in a lot of noise and pollution. Residential areas are kept away from these for just these two reasons, and mostly businesses and public service buildings are near them. In the US, highways were built right through cities in the 1950s and the next two or three decades. Why was there no major uproar? Well, the [[UnfortunateImplications neighborhoods they went through]] were mostly inhabited by black and/or poor people who had no political lobby (and often couldn't even vote), something which is an all too common "solution" for [=NIMBYism=]. Only when highways started to be planned to tear down middle class and white neighborhoods did the "freeway revolts" get going in earnest, stopping many projects in their tracks.



* The inversion of this trope can also be problematic. Say you want to build a new [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ln%E2%80%93Frankfurt_high-speed_rail_line hyperfast train line]], to link - well I don't know maybe the fourth largest city and a major banking center of your country - of course you would want it to stop only very rarely or not at all between either terminus. But to get the whole thing built, you have to get the agreement of local politicians. Who of course want to have a stop in their district. Cue two stops twenty kilometers apart, which are - even in the [[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahnhof_Montabaur#Kritik German Wikipedia entry]] - said to be a result of political blackmail in so many words. [[note]] The line in question reads "Kritiker sehen in den im Abstand von rund 20 km liegenden Stationen Limburg und Montabaur das Ergebnis einer politischen Erpressung." - Critics see the stations Limburg and Montabaur which are about 20 km from each other as the result of political blackmail"[[/note]]
* Big infrastructure projects are very prone to this and NIMBY s are one of the main reasons why many a project has spent decades in DevelopmentHell, even if it was approved in a ballot measure by supermajorities or basically all political parties agree it to be the best thing since sliced bread. [[TropesAreNotBad On the other hand]], NIMBY concerns have on occasion kept cities from making disastrous decisions and some politicians are even able to admit [[JerkassHasAPoint that the NIMBYs were right]], decades after the fact.

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* The inversion of this trope can also be problematic. Say you want to build a new [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ln%E2%80%93Frankfurt_high-speed_rail_line hyperfast train line]], to link - well I don't know maybe the fourth largest city and a major banking center of your country - of course you would want it to stop only very rarely or not at all between either terminus. But to get the whole thing built, you have to get the agreement of local politicians. Who of course want to have a stop in their district. Cue two stops twenty kilometers apart, which are - even in the [[https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahnhof_Montabaur#Kritik German Wikipedia entry]] - said to be a result of political blackmail in so many words. [[note]] The line in question reads "Kritiker sehen in den im Abstand von rund 20 km liegenden Stationen Limburg und Montabaur das Ergebnis einer politischen Erpressung." - Critics "Critics see the stations Limburg and Montabaur which are about 20 km from each other as the result of political blackmail"[[/note]]
* Big infrastructure projects are very prone to this and NIMBY s [=NIMBYs=] are one of the main reasons why many a project has spent decades in DevelopmentHell, even if it was approved in a ballot measure by supermajorities or basically all political parties agree it to be the best thing since sliced bread. [[TropesAreNotBad On the other hand]], NIMBY concerns have on occasion kept cities from making disastrous decisions and some politicians are even able to admit [[JerkassHasAPoint that the NIMBYs were right]], decades after the fact.
18th Oct '16 4:02:48 PM Jhonny
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* Train tracks. Nobody wants to be woken up by that train that goes through at 3:00 in the morning. Some people also have safety concerns about train tracks; if a freight train derails while transporting toxic or explosive materials, you don't want to be anywhere nearby. This was grimly illustrated by the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster 2013 Lac-Mégantic rail disaster]].

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* Train tracks.tracks - especially if they are only or mostly used by freight trains. Nobody wants to be woken up by that train that goes through at 3:00 in the morning. Some people also have safety concerns about train tracks; if a freight train derails while transporting toxic or explosive materials, you don't want to be anywhere nearby. This was grimly illustrated by the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster 2013 Lac-Mégantic rail disaster]].
18th Oct '16 4:01:38 PM Jhonny
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* Airports. They're obviously useful for travel, but few people want to live that close to one or have them open up a new runway/terminal near their house due to the noise and possible pollution.

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* Airports. They're obviously useful for travel, but few people want to live that close to one or have them open up a new runway/terminal near their house due to the noise and possible pollution. Furthermore, land close to the city center can be expensive. Those two things have combined in making airports farther and farther out more and more common. Munich's airport for instance was relocated in 1992 to be almost 30 km North of the city and similar things are planned for Berlin or London, though they are running into NIMBY problems at the new sites, naturally.
18th Oct '16 3:58:18 PM Jhonny
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* For other forms of energy production: wind turbines. They might be better for the environment than huge power plants but when they're in operation they're ''very'' noisy.

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* For other forms of energy production: wind turbines. They might be better for the environment than huge power plants but when they're in operation they're ''very'' noisy.some of them can be quite noisy (or at the very least be perceived that way) and their shadows and reflections can be irritating
18th Oct '16 12:01:51 AM TomWalpertac2
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While it might be rather selfish to want the benefits of such amenities while declaring the downsides to [[BystanderSyndrome not be their problem]], it can be justified - there is little to no reward for living nearby, and often the decrease in housing prices actually punishes the neighbours on top of the lowered quality of life. It's not necessarily hypocritical except in Zero-sum situations where they [[{{Jerkass}} want the good]] [[BystanderSyndrome without the bad]].

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While it might be rather selfish to want the benefits of such amenities while declaring the downsides to [[BystanderSyndrome not be their problem]], it can be justified - there is little to no reward for living nearby, and often the decrease in housing prices property values actually punishes the neighbours on top of the lowered quality of life. It's not necessarily hypocritical except in Zero-sum situations where they [[{{Jerkass}} want the good]] [[BystanderSyndrome without the bad]].
1st Oct '16 3:20:12 PM LaurelHS
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* Train tracks. Nobody wants to be woken up by that train that goes through at 3:00 in the morning. Some people also have safety concerns about train tracks; if a freight train derails while transporting toxic or explosive materials, you don't want to be anywhere nearby. This was grimly illustrated by the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster 2013 Lac-Mégantic rail disaster]].

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* Train tracks. Nobody wants to be woken up by that train that goes through at 3:00 in the morning. Some people also have safety concerns about train tracks; if a freight train derails while transporting toxic or explosive materials, you don't want to be anywhere nearby. This was grimly illustrated by the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster org/wiki/Lac-Mégantic_rail_disaster 2013 Lac-Mégantic rail disaster]].
27th Aug '16 2:36:54 PM AndyLA
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* There's an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' where a [[MuseumOfBoredom stamp museum]] is being built directly behind the Simpsons' house. The family aren't best pleased at having a construction site practically in their back garden, and successfully lobby to have it moved - it's shifted onto the site of Springfield Cemetery, which is promptly moved behind the Simpsons' house, giving Lisa nightmares.

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* There's an episode of In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' where episode "The Girl who Slept too Little", a [[MuseumOfBoredom stamp museum]] is being built directly behind the Simpsons' house. The family aren't best pleased at having a construction site practically in their back garden, and successfully lobby to have it moved - it's shifted onto the site of Springfield Cemetery, which is promptly moved behind the Simpsons' house, giving Lisa nightmares.
22nd Mar '16 5:52:08 AM Jhonny
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* Big infrastructure projects are very prone to this and NIMBYs are one of the main reasons why many a project has spent decades in DevelopmentHell, even if it was approved in a ballot measure by supermajorities or basically all political parties agree it to be the best thing since sliced bread. [[TropesAreNotBad On the other hand]], NIMBY concerns have on occasion kept cities from making disastrous decisions and some politicians are even able to admit [[JerkassHasAPoint that the NIMBYs were right]], decades after the fact.

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* Big infrastructure projects are very prone to this and NIMBYs NIMBY s are one of the main reasons why many a project has spent decades in DevelopmentHell, even if it was approved in a ballot measure by supermajorities or basically all political parties agree it to be the best thing since sliced bread. [[TropesAreNotBad On the other hand]], NIMBY concerns have on occasion kept cities from making disastrous decisions and some politicians are even able to admit [[JerkassHasAPoint that the NIMBYs were right]], decades after the fact.
22nd Mar '16 5:51:35 AM Jhonny
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* Big infrastructure projects are very prone to this and NIMBYs are one of the main reasons why many a project has spent decades in DevelopmentHell, even if it was approved in a ballot measure by supermajorities or basically all political parties agree it to be the best thing since sliced bread. [[TropesAreNotBad On the other hand]], NIMBY concerns have on occasion kept cities from making disastrous decisions and some politicians are even able to admit [[JerkassHasAPoint that the NIMBYs were right]], decades after the fact.
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