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29th Jan '16 8:46:10 AM Hjortron18
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* In ''Film/WhenDarknessFalls'', Leyla tells this her father and her brothers after they [[spoiler:killed her sister Nina.]] -->'''Leyla:''' You think that you are men? You are no men! A man doesn't do such things to his child! To his sister, to his own daughter!
12th Jan '16 9:07:00 PM Fireblood
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* In ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', much like the original movies, there's the ApeShallNotKillApe rule, which [[spoiler: Koba]] uses to taunt [[spoiler: Caesar]] at the end. [[spoiler: Caesar]] responded by declaring that he was no ape. [[spoiler: Given how Koba already violated that rule by trying to assassinate Caesar and murdering Ash, this trope holds some real weight for once.]]
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* In ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', much like the original movies, there's the ApeShallNotKillApe ApeShallNeverKillApe rule, which [[spoiler: Koba]] uses to taunt [[spoiler: Caesar]] at the end. [[spoiler: Caesar]] responded by declaring that he was no ape. [[spoiler: Given how Koba already violated that rule by trying to assassinate Caesar and murdering Ash, this trope holds some real weight for once.]]

* In ''Film/MyCousinVinny'', Vinny cross-examines a witness who claims to have seen the defendants leave the scene of the crime while he made grits for breakfast. Vinny asks if the witness used "instant grits". The witness answers, "No self-respecting Southerner would use ''instant'' grits. I take pride in my grits."
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* In ''Film/MyCousinVinny'', Vinny cross-examines a witness who claims to have seen the defendants leave the scene of the crime while he made grits for breakfast. Vinny asks if the witness used "instant grits". The witness answers, answers "No self-respecting Southerner would use ''instant'' grits. I take pride in my grits."

** [[WideEyedIdealist Sansa]] maintains her belief in a world of [[KnightInShiningArmor Knights in Shining Armor]], despite repeatedly confronting evidence that many knights are just thugs with swords, by declaring that any knight who doesn't live up to her expectations and their vows to protect the innocent is obviously "no true knight." Her behaviour fits in with the "objective guidelines of behavior" exception since, as noted, to become a knight you have to make certain vows to protect the innocent, fight with honor, protect women etc. It might be more accurate to say that "true knights" are actually in the ''minority'' in the setting. Thus, she seems to be sticking to this even after acquiring JadeColoredGlasses by recognizing that true knights, if they exist at all, are very rare.
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** [[WideEyedIdealist Sansa]] maintains her belief in a world of [[KnightInShiningArmor Knights in Shining Armor]], despite repeatedly confronting evidence that many knights are just thugs with swords, by declaring that any knight who doesn't live up to her expectations and their vows to protect the innocent is obviously "no true knight." Her behaviour behavior fits in with the "objective guidelines of behavior" exception since, as noted, to become a knight you have to make certain vows to protect the innocent, fight with honor, protect women etc. It might be more accurate to say that "true knights" are actually in the ''minority'' in the setting. Thus, she seems to be sticking to this even after acquiring JadeColoredGlasses by recognizing that true knights, if they exist at all, are very rare.

* Matters of ethnicity are discussed in Creator/GeorgeMacDonaldFraser's ''Literature/{{McAuslan}}'' trilogy of short stories. AuthorAvatar Dand [=McNeill=] discusses the agonies the Gordon Highlanders went through when accepting a draft of soldiers from the Liverpool Scottish--sons and grandsons of Scotsmen who'd settled in Liverpool but who had the accent of Merseyside rather than Clydeside. One of whom was ''black'', played the bagpipes, and applied to join the Regimental Band. The question was, "can a black-skinned Scouser be said to qualify as Scottish?" closely followed by "What's it going to look like?"
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* Matters of ethnicity are discussed in Creator/GeorgeMacDonaldFraser's ''Literature/{{McAuslan}}'' trilogy of short stories. AuthorAvatar Dand [=McNeill=] discusses the agonies the Gordon Highlanders went through when accepting a draft of soldiers from the Liverpool Scottish--sons and grandsons of Scotsmen who'd settled in Liverpool but who had the accent of Merseyside rather than Clydeside. One of whom was ''black'', played the bagpipes, and applied to join the Regimental Band. The question was, "can was "Can a black-skinned Scouser be said to qualify as Scottish?" closely followed by "What's it going to look like?"
28th Dec '15 3:49:40 PM eroock
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-->--'''''{{Website/Cracked}}''''', [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/3-fan-communities-that-hate-their-own-members/?wa_user1=4&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module "3 Fan Communities That Hate Their Own Members"]]
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24th Dec '15 12:08:37 PM sgamer82
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', this lies at the heart of Skyrim's civil war. The Stormcloaks know that no true son or daughter of Skyrim would follow an empire that bowed to an elven treaty outlawing the worship of its Nordic founder Talos, while loyalists argue that no true Nord would abandon their allies in their hour of greatest need or fight against the empire that Talos built.
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'', this ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim:'' ** This lies at the heart of Skyrim's civil war. The Stormcloaks know that no true son or daughter of Skyrim would follow an empire that bowed to an elven treaty outlawing the worship of its Nordic founder Talos, while loyalists argue that no true Nord would abandon their allies in their hour of greatest need or fight against the empire that Talos built.

* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Sten believes in both things and people having an essential nature they are born with and you can't change. For example, if you are born to a merchant clan but become a blacksmith, you are never a blacksmith. You are, forever, a merchant trying to be a blacksmith. If your character is female, Sten comments that you seem to be both a woman and a soldier but this is impossible, you must be either a woman or a soldier. His conclusion is that you aren't a woman, even though you clearly look like one. If the PC is male he'll have this conversation with Liliana.
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* ''Franchise/DragonAge:'' ** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Sten believes in both things and people having an essential nature they are born with and you can't change. For example, if you are born to a merchant clan but become a blacksmith, you are never a blacksmith. You are, forever, a merchant trying to be a blacksmith. If your character is female, Sten comments that you seem to be both a woman and a soldier but this is impossible, you must be either a woman or a soldier. His conclusion is that you aren't a woman, even though you clearly look like one. If the PC is male he'll have this conversation with Liliana.
24th Dec '15 12:06:13 PM sgamer82
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Taking off the trope link as it may not be an example
* In their [=100th=] episode, the hosts of ''Podcast/WhoBackWhen'' note that the most common trend they see when someone sends them hate mail is to ask how they can call themselves ''Doctor Who'' fans yet go on to rate episodes as anything less than perfect. Their own view is that the fact that some episodes are genuinely bad does not detract from their love of the series. Indeed, they see ''Doctor Who'' as something to be loved, WartsAndAll.
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* In their [=100th=] episode, the hosts of ''Podcast/WhoBackWhen'' note that the most common trend they see when someone sends them hate mail is to ask how they can call themselves ''Doctor Who'' fans yet go on to rate episodes as anything less than perfect. Their own view is that the fact that some episodes are genuinely bad does not detract from their love of the series. Indeed, they see ''Doctor Who'' as something to be loved, WartsAndAll. warts and all.
24th Dec '15 10:39:15 AM sgamer82
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* In their [=100th=] episode, the hosts of ''Podcast/WhoBackWhen'' note that the most common trend they see when someone sends them hate mail is to ask how they can call themselves ''Doctor Who'' fans yet go on to rate episodes as anything less than perfect. Their own view is that the fact that some episodes are genuinely bad does not detract from their love of the series. Indeed, they see loving ''Doctor Who'' as something to be loved, WartsAndAll.
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* In their [=100th=] episode, the hosts of ''Podcast/WhoBackWhen'' note that the most common trend they see when someone sends them hate mail is to ask how they can call themselves ''Doctor Who'' fans yet go on to rate episodes as anything less than perfect. Their own view is that the fact that some episodes are genuinely bad does not detract from their love of the series. Indeed, they see loving ''Doctor Who'' as something to be loved, WartsAndAll.
24th Dec '15 10:38:50 AM sgamer82
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[[AC: {{Podcasts}}]] * In their [=100th=] episode, the hosts of ''Podcast/WhoBackWhen'' note that the most common trend they see when someone sends them hate mail is to ask how they can call themselves ''Doctor Who'' fans yet go on to rate episodes as anything less than perfect. Their own view is that the fact that some episodes are genuinely bad does not detract from their love of the series. Indeed, they see loving ''Doctor Who'' as something to be loved, WartsAndAll.
6th Dec '15 12:51:44 PM LtFedora
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** From "hew-mon" standards, Quark is an appalling boss, but from Ferengi standards, he's quite benevolent. He gave food and medicine to Bajoran refugees at ''just above cost'' and tries to look out for his employees. -->'''Quark''': I can reform! I'll start gouging the customers again! I'll revoke all my employees' vacation time!\\ '''Brunt:''' ...You gave them '''[[DiggingYourselfDeeper vacations]]'''?
12th Nov '15 2:31:25 PM Jeduthun
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Crosswicks.
Essentially a form of BeggingTheQuestion, in that, to accept the argument that No True Scotsman would do X, one must accept that the definition of "True Scotsman" includes "would not do X."
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\nEssentially a form of BeggingTheQuestion, in that, to accept the argument that No True Scotsman would do X, one must accept that the definition of "True Scotsman" includes "would not do X." " It's also a good example of ConfirmationBias in action. Related to MovingTheGoalposts, where the definition isn't changed, but the standards for accepting a counter-argument are made increasingly more rigorous.

Related to MovingTheGoalposts, where the definition isn't changed, but the standards for accepting a counter-argument are made increasingly more rigorous.

It's perhaps also worth mentioning that, among [[ManInAKilt those who wear the kilt]], a "True Scotsman" is the humorous term for someone who is confident enough to [[GoingCommando go commando]]. So if someone asks "Are you a true Scotsman," it might not be this fallacy-- they may just be wondering about your undergarments.
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It's perhaps also worth mentioning that, among [[ManInAKilt those who wear the kilt]], a "True Scotsman" is the humorous term for someone who is confident enough to [[GoingCommando go commando]]. So if someone asks "Are you a true Scotsman," it might not be this fallacy-- they may just be wondering about your undergarments. underwear.
5th Nov '15 3:48:23 PM HighCrate
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This... doesn't have much to do with the trope.
* One sketch on ''Series/KeyAndPeele'' is about a CampGay man (played by Key) who calls homophobia on a co-worker (played by Peele) who's complaining about his loud sexual 'music', and the CampGay starts bringing up all his phallic paraphernalia as well, even showing off a naughty selfie to intimidate (or maybe turn?) the man. Then the [[StraightGay unassuming co-worker's boyfriend shows up to pick him up for lunch]]. The CampGay guy turns around and says: --> "Oh, I get it! I'm not persecuted, I'm just an ''[[HeelRealization asshole]]''."
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* One sketch on ''Series/KeyAndPeele'' is about a CampGay man (played by Key) who calls homophobia on a co-worker (played by Peele) who's complaining about his loud sexual 'music', and the CampGay starts bringing up all his phallic paraphernalia as well, even showing off a naughty selfie to intimidate (or maybe turn?) the man. Then the [[StraightGay unassuming co-worker's boyfriend shows up to pick him up for lunch]]. The CampGay guy turns around and says: --> "Oh, I get it! I'm not persecuted, I'm just an ''[[HeelRealization asshole]]''."
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