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4th Jun '16 7:56:29 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' introduces yet another twist. Iron Bull explains that if a person of one gender can best serve society in a role of the other, they're called "Aqun-Athlok", or transgender. So, for example, if a child the tamassrans think is female shows proficiency at fighting, but isn't good enough at lying to be made a spy like Tallis, everyone acknowledges that the midwife made a mistake in saying they were a girl, the child is put in the military, and from then on is expected to look and act exactly like all the other men, because he is a man. Hence Sten's confusion: the female Warden was clearly a warrior and therefore, a man, but looked and acted like a woman.

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** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' introduces yet another twist. Iron Bull explains that if a person of one gender can best serve society in a role of the other, they're called "Aqun-Athlok", or transgender. So, for example, if a child the tamassrans think is female shows proficiency at fighting, but isn't good enough at lying to be made a spy like Tallis, everyone acknowledges that the midwife made a mistake in saying they were a girl, the child is put in the military, and from then on is expected to look and act exactly like all the other men, because he is a man. Hence Sten's confusion: the female Warden was clearly a warrior and therefore, a man, but looked and acted like a woman. Iron Bull mentions he gets around this issue by mentally slotting them between genders depending on whether they have armor on at the time.
4th Jun '16 7:50:22 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* The [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' happily use No True Greenskin to stir up conflict when they can't find anyone else to fight. For example, Orks of the Goff clan know that the only proper greenskin is one who disdains fancy uniforms and is serious about busting in heads, the Bad Moons know that Orks ought to strut about in flashy clothes and blast things with snazzed-up shootas, the Snakebites know that the only true Orks fight with simple weapons astride a [[BeastOfBattle Squiggoth]], while the Evil Suns know that being an Ork is all about racing around on a bike, buggy or trukk. The Blood Axe clan doesn't do this, which then becomes one of the reasons they get it from the other clans.

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* The [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]] of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' happily use No True Greenskin to stir up conflict when they can't find anyone else to fight. For example, Orks of the Goff clan know that the only proper greenskin is one who disdains fancy uniforms and is serious about busting in heads, the Bad Moons know that Orks ought to strut about in flashy clothes and blast things with snazzed-up shootas, the Snakebites know that the only true Orks fight with simple weapons astride a [[BeastOfBattle Squiggoth]], while the Evil Suns know that being an Ork is all about racing around on a bike, buggy or trukk. The Blood Axe clan doesn't do this, this because they think being a true Ork is about turning your enemy's tricks against them, which then becomes one of the reasons they get it from the other clans.
19th May '16 2:15:36 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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No True Scotsman is an [[CommonFanFallacies intentional]] {{logical fallac|ies}}y which involves the act of setting up standards for a particular scenario, then redefining those same standards in order to [[SelectiveObliviousness exclude a particular outcome]].

In Robert Allen's "The Propaganda Game", this is labeled as the fallacy of "Victory by Definition".

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No True Scotsman (also referred to as the fallacy of "Victory by Definition" in Robert Allen's "The Propaganda Game") is an [[CommonFanFallacies intentional]] {{logical fallac|ies}}y which involves the act of setting up standards for a particular scenario, then redefining those same standards in order to [[SelectiveObliviousness exclude a particular outcome]].

In Robert Allen's "The Propaganda Game", this is labeled as the fallacy of "Victory by Definition".
outcome]].
18th May '16 12:13:33 AM nendroid
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A form of SelectiveObliviousness. StrawAffiliation is a related form of this. StopBeingStereotypical and NotSoDifferent are often invoked when these situations occur. The inverse is HitlerAteSugar, when someone tries to argue that all True Scotsmen are evil because of one bad apple.

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A form of SelectiveObliviousness. StrawAffiliation is a related form of this. StopBeingStereotypical and NotSoDifferent are often invoked when these situations occur. The inverse is HitlerAteSugar, when someone tries to argue that all True Scotsmen are evil because of one bad apple.
apple, though both tropes can be (and often are) used hand-in-hand to stigmatize and exclude certain people[=/=]things[=/=]etc.
18th May '16 12:09:20 AM nendroid
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* YouAreACreditToYourRace
1st May '16 7:17:27 PM ErikModi
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* In ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', much like the original movies, there's the ApeShallNeverKillApe rule, which [[spoiler: Koba]] uses to taunt [[spoiler: Caesar]] at the end. [[spoiler: Caesar]] responded by declaring that he was no ape. [[spoiler: Given how Koba already violated that rule by trying to assassinate Caesar and murdering Ash, this trope holds some real weight for once.]]

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* In ''Film/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', much like the original movies, there's the ApeShallNeverKillApe rule, which [[spoiler: Koba]] uses to taunt [[spoiler: Caesar]] at the end. [[spoiler: Caesar]] responded by declaring that he was no ape. [[spoiler: Given how Koba already violated that rule by trying to assassinate Caesar and murdering Ash, [[TropesAreNotBad this trope holds some real weight for once.]] ]]
3rd Mar '16 9:44:23 AM Ccook1956
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* George Carlin related this on his album "FM/AM":
-->I got fired in Las Vegas from the Frontier Hotel for saying "shit." In a town where the big game is called "craps." There seems to be some sort of double standard. I'm sure there was some Texan standing outside the casino saying "Aw, shit, I crapped out!" They fly those guys in for free. They fired me. Shit!
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29th Feb '16 4:00:23 PM Burmy
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* In TheBible, John 19:12 has the Jewish leaders shouting to PontiusPilate "If you release this man (Jesus), you are no Friend of Caesar. Anyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar." Being governor of Judea, Pilate held the title of Friend of Caesar (a status above ordinary subjects), and the Jewish leaders are implying that if Pilate releases Jesus, he's no "true" Friend of Caesar (which makes this trope OlderThanFeudalism).
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21st Feb '16 4:48:24 AM Hjortron18
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* In ''Film/WhenDarknessFalls'', Leyla tells this her father and her brothers after they [[spoiler:killed her sister Nina.]]
-->'''Leyla:''' You think that you are men? You are no men! A man doesn't do such things to his child! To his sister, to his own daughter!
9th Feb '16 8:33:35 PM Unknownlight
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