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8th Aug '16 4:36:02 PM eroock
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24th Jul '16 7:24:28 PM HeroGal2347
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But for all it has going for it, Evil is just not very conductive to teamwork.

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But for all it has going for it, Evil is just not very conductive conducive to teamwork.


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* ''Series/TheATeam'', "[[Recap/TheATeamS2E18ItsADesertOutThere It's a Desert Out There]]". Al Driscoll is the former leader of the Scorpions, but is planning on turning state's evidence on them. To prevent this, they're planning on stopping the bus he's taking to L.A. and killing him.
11th Jun '16 12:47:44 AM Morgenthaler
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* The wizard-run British Government in ''TheBartimaeusTrilogy'' is vastly corrupt and falling apart, because a wizard's standard childhood and upbringing teaches them to value their own ambitions over anything else.
* In MatthewReilly's books ''The Six Sacred Stones'' and ''The Five Greatest Warriors'', several factions of bad guys are forced to work together to complete the tasks necessary to save the world and gain Ultimate Power. They are even forced to work with the heroes from time to time. Needless to say, they don't trust each other and try to backstab each other at every opportunity.
* In the ForgottenRealms ''[[LegacyOfTheDrowSeries Siege of Darkness]]'' Drizzt Do'Urden notes that while dwarves will fight tooth, nail, and beard for their brethren, dark elves have no such luxury. Their defeat is partly because they can't count on each other for cohesiveness.

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* The wizard-run British Government in ''TheBartimaeusTrilogy'' ''Literature/TheBartimaeusTrilogy'' is vastly corrupt and falling apart, because a wizard's standard childhood and upbringing teaches them to value their own ambitions over anything else.
* In MatthewReilly's Creator/MatthewReilly's books ''The Six Sacred Stones'' and ''The Five Greatest Warriors'', several factions of bad guys are forced to work together to complete the tasks necessary to save the world and gain Ultimate Power. They are even forced to work with the heroes from time to time. Needless to say, they don't trust each other and try to backstab each other at every opportunity.
* In the ForgottenRealms ''[[LegacyOfTheDrowSeries ''[[Literature/LegacyOfTheDrowSeries Siege of Darkness]]'' Drizzt Do'Urden notes that while dwarves will fight tooth, nail, and beard for their brethren, dark elves have no such luxury. Their defeat is partly because they can't count on each other for cohesiveness.
26th May '16 5:58:42 PM WillBGood
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. Orks and Chaos, ''especially'' Chaos. The Dark Eldar {{avert}} this: although backstabbing your superior is the only way to advance in Dark Eldar society, they're GenreSavvy about this trope and won't risk compromising a raid to get a personal advantage. Once the raid is over, though, they're fair game.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. Orks and Chaos, ''especially'' Chaos. The Dark Eldar {{avert}} {{avert|edTrope}} this: although backstabbing your superior is the only way to advance in Dark Eldar society, they're GenreSavvy about this trope and won't risk compromising a raid to get a personal advantage. Once the raid is over, though, they're fair game.
26th May '16 5:57:47 PM WillBGood
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-->'''Michael:''' One of the problems when you're running a criminal conspiracy is that there's no way to avoid trust issues with your employees. If you steal with a man, he knows you're a thief. If you kill with a man, he knows you're a killer. *{{beat}}, as the criminal of the week is shot by his partner.* It's a huge management issue.

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-->'''Michael:''' One of the problems when you're running a criminal conspiracy is that there's no way to avoid trust issues with your employees. If you steal with a man, he knows you're a thief. If you kill with a man, he knows you're a killer. *{{beat}}, ''({{beat}}, as the criminal of the week is shot by his partner.* )'' It's a huge management issue.



* In one episode of ''Series/PowerRangersInSpace'', [[SentientVehicle Storm Blaster]] managed to escape from Divatox's minions (having been taken prisoner along with Lightning Cruiser in the previous series. Divatox called Astronema, and asked (nicely) for her to keep an eye out for it, only for the current Princess of Evil to tell her straight out that she would ''keep'' it if she did find it. (This turned into a case of NiceJobfixingItVillain, because Storm Blaster quickly found Justin who attracted the current Rangers, who were able to rescue Lightning Cruiser too, despite Astronema's attempts to catch the escapee; if the two villains ''had'' cooperated, it might have been harder for the heroes.)

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* In one episode of ''Series/PowerRangersInSpace'', [[SentientVehicle Storm Blaster]] managed to escape from Divatox's minions (having been taken prisoner along with Lightning Cruiser in the previous series. Divatox called Astronema, and asked (nicely) for her to keep an eye out for it, only for the current Princess of Evil to tell her straight out that she would ''keep'' it if she did find it. (This turned into a case of NiceJobfixingItVillain, NiceJobFixingItVillain, because Storm Blaster quickly found Justin who attracted the current Rangers, who were able to rescue Lightning Cruiser too, despite Astronema's attempts to catch the escapee; if the two villains ''had'' cooperated, it might have been harder for the heroes.)
26th May '16 5:46:01 PM WillBGood
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* Carlito from ''Film/CarlitosWay'', believes there's a street code of honor among criminals. He even did a prison bid by not snitching on the guy who was really guilty and took over as the boss after he was jailed. [[spoiler: Unfortunately, this way of thinking leads to his demise. After he discovered his best friend and personal attorney was a snake, not worth defending.]]

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* Carlito from ''Film/CarlitosWay'', believes there's a street code of honor among criminals. He even did a prison bid by not snitching on the guy who was really guilty and took over as the boss after he was jailed. [[spoiler: Unfortunately, this way of thinking leads to his demise. After demise after he discovered discovers his best friend and personal attorney was a snake, snake not worth defending.]]
23rd May '16 6:01:27 PM freesefan
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* ''Film/DesertNights'': Steve, Diana, and their three fellow jewel thieves rob a diamond mine and escape into the desert. Steve and Diana's three accomplices decide to try their luck heading back rather than crossing the Kalahari, and ask for their share of the diamonds. After they leave, Steve reveals to Diana that he gave them fake glass diamonds.
28th Apr '16 2:44:59 AM Antwan
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* ''Film/{{Scarecrows}}'' starts off with one of the bank robbers parachuting off a hi-jacked plane with a sack of cash, leaving the others to have no choice but to land and find him.



* ''{{Redwall}}''
* ''{{Dragonlance}}''

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* ''{{Redwall}}''
''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' has quite a few backstabbing thieves. The most notable is Cheesethief for trying to make himself the leader of Cluny's horde. [[BackstabBackfire It does not go as planned.]]
* ''{{Dragonlance}}''''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}''



* In ''LordOfTheRings'', Sauron doesn't dare let his orcs know he's looking for the Ring of Power (some orc would likely steal it). So he can't tell his armies, "If you find a hobbit, kill it and send any rings it has back to me." Instead, he orders them to take hobbits alive, and transport them (with all their possessions, even weapons) back to him. Naturally, this lets several hobbits escape from orcs at key moments--especially because while the orcs may not know what's so important, they ''do'' know that the captives are very valuable, so they end up fighting over the hobbits anyway.

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* In ''LordOfTheRings'', ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'', Sauron doesn't dare let his orcs know he's looking for the Ring of Power (some orc would likely steal it). So he can't tell his armies, "If you find a hobbit, kill it and send any rings it has back to me." Instead, he orders them to take hobbits alive, and transport them (with all their possessions, even weapons) back to him. Naturally, this lets several hobbits escape from orcs at key moments--especially because while the orcs may not know what's so important, they ''do'' know that the captives are very valuable, so they end up fighting over the hobbits anyway.



* ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''. The Sith are ''rife'' with this problem throughout both the game itself and the backstory. Of particular note: the encouraged ChronicBackstabbingDisorder of the Sith leads to [[BigBad Malak]] attempting to kill his own master Revan, which deprives the Sith of their previous MagnificentBastard leader and starts the chain of events that finally leads to Sith defeat.

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* ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''.''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''. The Sith are ''rife'' with this problem throughout both the game itself and the backstory. Of particular note: the encouraged ChronicBackstabbingDisorder of the Sith leads to [[BigBad Malak]] attempting to kill his own master Revan, which deprives the Sith of their previous MagnificentBastard leader and starts the chain of events that finally leads to Sith defeat.



* ''QuestForGloryIV'' has a literal version of this. The Chief Thief has been turned into a giant cockroach monster, but you can earn his gratitude by finding the ArtifactOfDoom that did it, making him human again. At that point, you're free to kill him (try when he's a bug and he'll spit acid on you). You suffer absolutely no consequences - except for the fact that your Honor stat drops to 0 immediately. The narration even drops the trope name afterwards.

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* ''QuestForGloryIV'' ''VideoGame/QuestForGloryIV'' has a literal version of this. The Chief Thief has been turned into a giant cockroach monster, but you can earn his gratitude by finding the ArtifactOfDoom that did it, making him human again. At that point, you're free to kill him (try when he's a bug and he'll spit acid on you). You suffer absolutely no consequences - except for the fact that your Honor stat drops to 0 immediately. The narration even drops the trope name afterwards.
26th Mar '16 5:32:16 PM TMNTFanGirl
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You see, [[TrueCompanions for a team to really come together]], there has to be some level of mutual trust. People on the same side need to know their friends will be there to [[BigDamnHeroes bail them out in a tight spot]], and [[FaceHeelTurn won't sell them out to the enemy or abandon them for some selfish gain at a bad moment]]. They need to know that, when the going gets tough, or when some temptation arises, their allies will still be right by their side, through thick and thin. For the most part, such willingness to put the group before oneself is inherently at odds with the whole idea of being a Bad Guy.

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You see, [[TrueCompanions one of the keys for a team to really come together]], work well together]] is that there has to be at least some level of mutual trust.trust among them. People on the same side need to know their friends will be there to [[BigDamnHeroes bail them out in a tight spot]], and [[FaceHeelTurn won't sell them out to the enemy or abandon them for some selfish gain at a bad moment]]. They need to know that, when the going gets tough, or when some temptation arises, their allies will still be right by their side, through thick and thin. For the most part, such willingness to put the group before oneself is inherently at odds with the whole idea of being a Bad Guy.
15th Mar '16 9:14:48 PM AHI-3000
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* In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', the brutal bounty hunter Ezekiel Clench decides to call a truce with his ex-wife Josephine to bring in Jack. Amazingly, they are actually able to subdue the hero, but it turned out to be a very bad idea on Zeke's part; she double crosses him, and this gives Jack the opportunity to pull one on her too and get away. (In fact, seeing as Zeke is the one who had a restraining order against ''her'', it's likely that she did something like before.)

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* In one episode of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', the brutal bounty hunter Ezekiel Clench decides to call a truce with his ex-wife Josephine to bring in Jack. Amazingly, they are actually able to subdue the hero, but it turned out to be a very bad idea on Zeke's part; she double crosses double-crosses him, and this gives Jack the opportunity to pull one on her too and get away. (In fact, seeing as Zeke is the one who had a restraining order against ''her'', it's likely that she did something like that before.) )
* In ''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown'', just about all of the villains will only ally with each other out of temporary convenience, and will often gladly take the nearest opportunity to betray whomever they were just working with. But this doesn't stop the bad guys from teaming up with the exact same untrustworthy partners [[ContractualGenreBlindness multiple times]], especially [[TooDumbToLive Jack Spicer]].
-->'''Omi:''' "So much [[{{Malaproper}} criss-crossing]][[note]][[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder double-crossing]][[/note]]. This just proves that [[LampshadeHanging there is no honor among thieves]]!"
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