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17th Mar '17 6:59:30 AM hszmv1
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** The Seperations of Powers of the United States Government intentionally evoked. The Founding Fathers believed that all forms of government, even a Republic, would eventually be corrupted. The limits on each branch's powers and abilities generally mean that the Government is too busy fighting itself to turn onto the people. In order for anything to happen in the Federal Government, it must meet the approval of a majority of 545 individuals (100 Senators, 435 Representatives, Nine Supreme Court Justices, and One President) to work a law of the land. That's not getting into pleasing constituency that can vote to kick out the bums and put in someone who will do the job proper. And we're not getting into UsefulNotes/AmericanFederalism that can also gum up the system. Considering that even with a single party majority party rule, it's very difficult to push through changes through.
18th Feb '17 4:57:12 PM cybertoy0
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* This comes up quite a bit in ''Manga/OnePiece''; with so many pirates, sailors and misc. of differing moralities, how long an alliance lasts usually depends;
** A Flashback to Luffy's childhood shows the Bluejam Pirates being paid to burn a WretchedHive to the ground by the local kingdom's corrupt nobility. Once the deed was done, however, the nobles just locked the pirates out of their safe zone, leaving Bluejam and company to die.
** On Fishman Island, Hody Jones and Vender Decken team up to take over the kingdom, but Hody decides to kill Decken when it seems that doing so will destroy Luffy faster. ItMakesSenseInContext.
** The focal point of the Totland arc is a VillainTeamUp between the Big Mom Pirates and Germa 66. What the leaders of the Germa 66 don't realize is that their "alliance" was a sham to begin with; Big Mom wants their cloning technology for herself, and the ArrangedMarriage to seal the deal is just a trap.
29th Dec '16 5:20:48 PM Getta
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And so we have this trope. While the heroes cling to the PowerOfFriendship and trust in their TrueCompanions to see them through, the villains simply cannot trust one another. Always, even when their victory seems closest, it seems to come undone because the bad guys are inherently treacherous and suspicious of one another. If the EvilOverlord is near to victory, you can expect TheDragon to make some [[TheStarscream bid for personal power]] at the last minute that gives the heroes enough breathing room to gain the victory. And if you have a team of more or less equal [[CardCarryingVillain Card Carrying Villains]] in it ForTheEvulz, expect them to fall prey to this in no time at all, with their momentary shared goals falling by the wayside the second any of them sees an advantage in turning on their old 'friends.'

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And so we have this trope. While the heroes cling to the PowerOfFriendship and trust in their TrueCompanions to see them through, the villains simply cannot trust one another. Always, even when their victory seems closest, it seems to come undone because the bad guys are inherently treacherous and suspicious of one another. If the EvilOverlord is near to victory, you can expect TheDragon to make some [[TheStarscream bid for personal power]] at the last minute that gives the heroes enough breathing room to gain the victory. And if you have a team of more or less equal [[CardCarryingVillain Card Carrying Villains]] in it ForTheEvulz, expect them to fall prey to this in no time at all, with their momentary shared goals falling by the wayside the second any of them sees an advantage in turning on their old 'friends.'
' This is the reason why trust and willingness to work with each other is one of the EvilVirtues.
13th Dec '16 7:14:44 PM PaulA
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* A common trait in David Eddings' later series, particularly ''TheRedemptionOfAlthalus''. The protagonists are a close-knit group more like a family than anything else, they have a major goddess in their fold (who fills the role of their mother), they have full command of said goddess' extradimensional house (allowing them to go literally anywhere they want), and they have an immense army of the best soldiers the world has to offer. The villains are ''supposed'' to mirror them (including having similar supernatural abilities), but they are constantly fighting with each other for authority, their god terrifies them and offers little help, and their house is a horror filled with flames which they do not use to much effect at all. And while they have an army of their own, their commander is obsessed with stone-age culture and at best allows flint weapons, as well as only rudimentary tactics.

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* A common trait in In David Eddings' later series, particularly ''TheRedemptionOfAlthalus''. The ''Literature/TheRedemptionOfAlthalus'', the protagonists are a close-knit group more like a family than anything else, they have a major goddess in their fold (who fills the role of their mother), they have full command of said goddess' extradimensional house (allowing them to go literally anywhere they want), and they have an immense army of the best soldiers the world has to offer. The villains are ''supposed'' to mirror them (including having similar supernatural abilities), but they are constantly fighting with each other for authority, their god terrifies them and offers little help, and their house is a horror filled with flames which they do not use to much effect at all. And while they have an army of their own, their commander is obsessed with stone-age culture and at best allows flint weapons, as well as only rudimentary tactics.
25th Nov '16 11:21:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' has a classic case of this when Shepard encounters the "MSV Strontium Mule", which has been recently invaded by a group of Blue Suns mercs. When the commander takes down the group's leader, Captain Vorhess, we soon find out [[TheStarscream Sergent Bootis]] deliberately held back his men, so Vorhess would be killed, leaving him in charge and more loot for the survivors. "The fewer men left, the bigger the prize for each of us". Needless to say, not combining all your available forces against [[{{Badass}} Commander Shepard]] is essentially suicide. His betrayal only grants him a swifter death. [[TooDumbToLive This is made into an even stupider move]] when he notes [[TheDreaded how big of a threat Shepard is in a datapad.]]

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* ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' has a classic case of this when Shepard encounters the "MSV Strontium Mule", which has been recently invaded by a group of Blue Suns mercs. When the commander takes down the group's leader, Captain Vorhess, we soon find out [[TheStarscream Sergent Bootis]] deliberately held back his men, so Vorhess would be killed, leaving him in charge and more loot for the survivors. "The fewer men left, the bigger the prize for each of us". Needless to say, not combining all your available forces against [[{{Badass}} Commander Shepard]] Shepard is essentially suicide. His betrayal only grants him a swifter death. [[TooDumbToLive This is made into an even stupider move]] when he notes [[TheDreaded how big of a threat Shepard is in a datapad.]]
13th Nov '16 11:29:58 PM Zyffyr
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* The hero in ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' goes to a Thieves' Guild for help and to get an artifact he needs. When the head of said guild sells him out, he incredulously asks, "What happened to honor among thieves?" Said guild leader basically laughs in his face for having such a silly idea.
** This is after the hero specifically tells his reluctant partner, a young female mage whose mentor was betrayed and killed by a fellow mage, that a thief would never betray another thief.

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* The hero in ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' goes to a Thieves' Guild for help and to get an artifact he needs. When the head of said guild sells him out, he incredulously asks, "What happened to honor among thieves?" Said guild leader basically laughs in his face for having such a silly idea.
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idea. This is after the hero specifically tells his reluctant partner, a young female mage whose mentor was betrayed and killed by a fellow mage, that a thief would never betray another thief.



* Zig-zagged in ''Film/DungeonsAndDragons'' with Ridley telling the mage Marina that, while their [[TheMagocracy ruling mages]] backstab one another all the time, there is HonorAmongThieves. Later, he is proven wrong when Xilius tries to go back on his deal with Ridley and tells Ridley that things like honor matter little to him.
14th Oct '16 6:55:08 PM LongTallShorty64
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* In ''Film/BlondieJohnson'', Louie is put on trial, Max decides to take over his side of their robbery "insurance" business.
25th Sep '16 10:51:55 AM neckinhalf
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* ''VideoGame/Uncharted4AThiefsEnd'' continues the trend. [[spoiler=There's a lost pirate city named Libertalia Drake and his brother go searching for. Libertalia was a town founded by a coalition of notorious pirates escaping the regular world, bringing the considerable wealth they've amassed with them. This trope is the reason that all went to hell.]]

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* ''VideoGame/Uncharted4AThiefsEnd'' continues the trend. [[spoiler=There's [[spoiler:There's a lost pirate city named Libertalia Drake and his brother go searching for. Libertalia was a town founded by a coalition of notorious pirates escaping the regular world, bringing the considerable wealth they've amassed with them. This trope is the reason that all went to hell.]]
25th Sep '16 10:50:46 AM neckinhalf
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* ''VideoGame/Uncharted4AThiefsEnd'' continues the trend. [[spoiler=There's a lost pirate city named Libertalia Drake and his brother go searching for. Libertalia was a town founded by a coalition of notorious pirates escaping the regular world, bringing the considerable wealth they've amassed with them. This trope is the reason that all went to hell.]]
17th Sep '16 12:05:47 PM jamespolk
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* [[spoiler:EdwardNorton]] betrays his partners in crime in both ''Film/TheScore'' and ''Film/TheItalianJob2003''. In the latter he betrays the crew after the successful titular heist, leading the rest to come back after him one year later. [[spoiler: in both cases, he [[RewardedasaTraitorDeserves gets what he deserves]]]].

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* [[spoiler:EdwardNorton]] Creator/EdwardNorton betrays his partners in crime in both ''Film/TheScore'' and ''Film/TheItalianJob2003''.''[[Film/TheItalianJob2003 The Italian Job]]''. In the latter he betrays the crew after the successful titular heist, leading the rest to come back after him one year later. [[spoiler: in both cases, he [[RewardedasaTraitorDeserves gets what he deserves]]]].



* In ''The Emperor Jones'', the title character tells his stooge Smithers, whom he can barely hide his contempt for: "Dere's little stealin' like you does, and dere's big stealin' like I does." Smithers, in Jones's absence, has nothing but hatred for him.

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* In ''The Emperor Jones'', ''Theatre/TheEmperorJones'', the title character tells his stooge Smithers, whom he can barely hide his contempt for: "Dere's little stealin' like you does, and dere's big stealin' like I does." Smithers, in Jones's absence, has nothing but hatred for him.
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