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27th May '16 10:53:01 PM Doug86
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* The "working-class right-wing bigot" has probably existed for as long as the liberal/conservative divide itself. However, it didn't start to become a political phenomenon until the 1950s, and didn't become a ''cultural'' phenomenon until about the early '70s, when the [[AllInTheFamily Archie Bunker]] character popularized it.

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* The "working-class right-wing bigot" has probably existed for as long as the liberal/conservative divide itself. However, it didn't start to become a political phenomenon until the 1950s, and didn't become a ''cultural'' phenomenon until about the early '70s, when the [[AllInTheFamily [[Series/AllInTheFamily Archie Bunker]] character popularized it.
26th May '16 8:19:24 AM Lightice
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** Similarly, Batman using his cape as a glider has become another icon of the character, which is surprising given that it only first appeared in ''Film/BatmanBegins'', released in 2005.
24th May '16 12:56:00 AM spirasen
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* The use of music to introduce wrestlers is both this and OlderThanTheyThink. It was happening as early as the 1940s (when classical music was the arena standard)...but the use of HardRock or HeavyMetal dates only to about 1980 at the earliest [[note]] the TropeCodifier is generally thought to be the Legion of Doom using BlackSabbath's "Iron Man" [[/note]] - and even then, it was more the custom to (with permission, of course) use existing rock songs rather than commission Jim Johnston and others to write or co-write new ones.

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* The use of music to introduce wrestlers is both this and OlderThanTheyThink. It was happening as early as the 1940s (when classical music was the arena standard)...but the use of HardRock or HeavyMetal dates only to about 1980 at the earliest [[note]] the TropeCodifier is generally thought to be the Legion of Doom using BlackSabbath's Music/BlackSabbath's "Iron Man" [[/note]] - and even then, it was more the custom to (with permission, of course) use existing rock songs rather than commission Jim Johnston and others to write or co-write new ones.
21st May '16 5:48:23 AM jormis29
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* Bullfighting was not invented by the Cretans, the ancient Iberians or the Romans. It originated in the Late Middle Ages as a type of joust in which a mounted lancer (or lancers) faced a bull instead of each other (this is where modern ''[[http://platea.pntic.mec.es/dgarciac/c0708/tif1web03/imagenes/Andy%20Cartagena1.jpg rejoneadores]]'' and ''[[https://livinlavidaespanola.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/picadores201_r2_c2.jpeg picadores]]'' come from). Once the bull was left more dead tan alive and the lancers had shown their skill, the public was allowed to jump into the arena and kill, butcher and take the bull's meat home (this is why bullfights were - and are - done during holidays; it was never meant to be a contest between man and animal but a form of rituaalized slaughter, and for many people in the beginning it would be the only time they'd get to eat beef, courtesy of those very same lancers, who were aristocratic ranchers themselves).

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* Bullfighting was not invented by the Cretans, the ancient Iberians or the Romans. It originated in the Late Middle Ages as a type of joust in which a mounted lancer (or lancers) faced a bull instead of each other (this is where modern ''[[http://platea.pntic.mec.es/dgarciac/c0708/tif1web03/imagenes/Andy%20Cartagena1.jpg rejoneadores]]'' and ''[[https://livinlavidaespanola.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/picadores201_r2_c2.jpeg picadores]]'' come from). Once the bull was left more dead tan than alive and the lancers had shown their skill, the public was allowed to jump into the arena and kill, butcher and take the bull's meat home (this is why bullfights were - and are - done during holidays; it was never meant to be a contest between man and animal but a form of rituaalized slaughter, and for many people in the beginning it would be the only time they'd get to eat beef, courtesy of those very same lancers, who were aristocratic ranchers themselves).
21st May '16 5:41:31 AM RurikWolfe
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** Not entirely correct. HMS Dreadnaught was the first battleship that had a main battery of uniform caliber. Previous designs would have different turrets with different calibers of guns to vary firing rates. The first battleship-type warship (steel armor with a turret) was USS Monitor (1862), and the term itself can be found (as an abbreviation) in documents from the Revolutionary War. (Multideck Age of Sail warships were known as Ships of The Line or Line of Battle Ships. The latter was often shortened to Battle Ships in orders or dispatches.
15th May '16 11:45:54 PM nombretomado
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* A lot of elements in the MarvelCinematicUniverse (Maria Hill, Avengers Tower, Hulk's MetaOrigin connection to ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's SuperSerum, [[Comicbook/WarMachine Rhodey]]'s [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Iron Patriot]] armor, [[RaceLift black]] ComicBook/NickFury, the various [[UltimateMarvel Ultimate-inspired]] costumes, Cap's [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier sequel suit]], etc.) are relatively recent additions to the comics, usually going back to 2001 or so at the earliest.

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* A lot of elements in the MarvelCinematicUniverse Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse (Maria Hill, Avengers Tower, Hulk's MetaOrigin connection to ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's SuperSerum, [[Comicbook/WarMachine Rhodey]]'s [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Iron Patriot]] armor, [[RaceLift black]] ComicBook/NickFury, the various [[UltimateMarvel Ultimate-inspired]] costumes, Cap's [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier sequel suit]], etc.) are relatively recent additions to the comics, usually going back to 2001 or so at the earliest.
15th May '16 7:31:26 PM Naram-Sin
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* Bullfighting was not invented by the Cretans, the ancient Iberians or the Romans. It originated in the Late Middle Ages as a type of joust in which a mounted lancer (or lancers) faced a bull instead of each other (this is where modern ''[[http://platea.pntic.mec.es/dgarciac/c0708/tif1web03/imagenes/Andy%20Cartagena1.jpg rejoneadores]]'' and ''[[https://livinlavidaespanola.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/picadores201_r2_c2.jpeg picadores]]'' come from). Once the bull was left more dead tan alive and the lancers had shown their skill, the public was allowed to jump into the arena and kill, butcher and take the bull's meat home (this is why bullfights were - and are - done during holidays; it was never meant to be a contest between man and animal but a form of rituaalized slaughter, and for many people in the beginning it would be the only time they'd get to eat beef, courtesy of those very same lancers, who were aristocratic ranchers themselves).
** Bullfighters (on foot) started to gain prominence and displace the lancers from the spotlight in the early and mid 18th century. Not coincidentally, this was the same time the new Spanish Bourbon dynasty attempted to ban bullfighting repeatedly. This is why modern bullfighters wear 18th century-looking suits and are called ''matadors'', which means literally "killers". In the beginning they were private challengers and the ones that faced the less injured bulls before killing them earned more fame and money for themselves. Bullfighting became then less of an aristocratic pastime and more of a way for poor men to become rich celebrities if they did not die in the attempt.
** The oldest bullrings are from the second half of the 18th century and most weren't built until the 19th or even the early 20th century, when bullfighting was already a tourist attraction. Before they were invented, the ''corridas'' were done in town squares that had been barricaded for the occasion. This is why the Spanish name for a bullring is ''Plaza de Toros'', literally "Bulls Square", [[NonIndicativeName despite modern bullrings being round.]]
** ''Picadores'' did not wear protection before the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera (1923-1930), when a law was passed to that effect.
14th May '16 9:35:07 PM 10-13-2
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* Looking at the depiction of Batman in the comics over the past three-quarters of a century, you could say that not only is the [[DarkerAndEdgier "dark"]] Batman a rather recent phenomenon, but its existence has been practically evanescent. The much-derided camp survived in the comics long past the 1970s: while Batman himself grew steadily darker, he served as TheComicallySerious to Robin (who didn't stop wearing the cheesy green bikini bottoms until 1989) and most of the villains. Even after the Creator/FrankMiller era and all the way through the Creator/TimBurton era the stories alternated between grimness and camp, [[MoodWhiplash sometimes jarringly so]]. Not until the bleak ''{{Knightfall}}'' storyline of the 1990s did ''Batman'' make the complete and semi-permanent shift to "dark"; soon afterward, his costume became entirely black and some artists began to draw him as almost literally a vampire. And no sooner had ''that'' happened than the earlier, lighter camp was merely replaced by [[BlackComedy a darker, more ironic camp]] that didn't distract from the overall tone as much. Add to all that the realization that even the noirish ''Batman'' of the 1940s introduced some zany elements within the first year or so, and it can be said that there has never been a time when Batman was ''not'' campy! In this respect, the Nolan films strike one more as revisionist history than [[UnbuiltTrope "what Batman has always been supposed to be."]]

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* Looking at the depiction of Batman in the comics over the past three-quarters of a century, you could say that not only is the [[DarkerAndEdgier "dark"]] Batman a rather recent phenomenon, but its existence has been practically evanescent. The much-derided camp survived in the comics long past the 1970s: 1960s: while Batman himself grew steadily darker, he served as TheComicallySerious to Robin (who didn't stop wearing the cheesy green bikini bottoms until 1989) and most of the villains. Even after the Creator/FrankMiller era and all the way through the Creator/TimBurton era the stories alternated between grimness and camp, [[MoodWhiplash sometimes jarringly so]]. Not until the bleak ''{{Knightfall}}'' storyline of the 1990s did ''Batman'' make the complete and semi-permanent shift to "dark"; soon afterward, his costume became entirely black and some artists began to draw him as almost literally a vampire. And no sooner had ''that'' happened than the earlier, lighter camp was merely replaced by [[BlackComedy a darker, more ironic camp]] that didn't distract from the overall tone as much. Add to all that the realization that even the noirish ''Batman'' of the 1940s introduced some zany elements within the first year or so, and it can be said that there has never been a time when Batman was ''not'' campy! In this respect, the Nolan films strike one more as revisionist history than [[UnbuiltTrope "what Batman has always been supposed to be."]]
14th May '16 9:33:56 PM 10-13-2
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* Looking at the depiction of Batman in the comics over the past three-quarters of a century, you could say that not only is the [[DarkerAndEdgier "dark"]] Batman a rather recent phenomenon, but its existence has been practically evanescent. The much-derided camp survived in the comics long past the 1970s: while Batman himself grew steadily darker, he served as TheComicallySerious to Robin (who didn't stop wearing the cheesy green bikini bottoms until 1989) and most of the villains. Even after the Creator/FrankMiller era and all the way through the Creator/TimBurton era the stories alternated between grimness and camp, [[MoodWhiplash sometimes jarringly so]]. Not until the bleak ''{{Knightfall}}'' storyline of the 1990s did ''Batman'' make the complete and semi-permanent shift to "dark"; soon afterward, his costume became entirely black and some artists began to draw him as almost literally a vampire. And no sooner had ''that'' happened than the earlier, lighter camp was merely replaced by [[GrotesqueCamp a darker, more ironic camp]] that didn't distract from the overall tone as much. Add to all that the realization that even the noirish ''Batman'' of the 1940s introduced some zany elements within the first year or so, and it can be said that there has never been a time when Batman was ''not'' campy! In this respect, the Nolan films strike one more as revisionist history than [[UnbuiltTrope "what Batman has always been supposed to be."]]

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* Looking at the depiction of Batman in the comics over the past three-quarters of a century, you could say that not only is the [[DarkerAndEdgier "dark"]] Batman a rather recent phenomenon, but its existence has been practically evanescent. The much-derided camp survived in the comics long past the 1970s: while Batman himself grew steadily darker, he served as TheComicallySerious to Robin (who didn't stop wearing the cheesy green bikini bottoms until 1989) and most of the villains. Even after the Creator/FrankMiller era and all the way through the Creator/TimBurton era the stories alternated between grimness and camp, [[MoodWhiplash sometimes jarringly so]]. Not until the bleak ''{{Knightfall}}'' storyline of the 1990s did ''Batman'' make the complete and semi-permanent shift to "dark"; soon afterward, his costume became entirely black and some artists began to draw him as almost literally a vampire. And no sooner had ''that'' happened than the earlier, lighter camp was merely replaced by [[GrotesqueCamp [[BlackComedy a darker, more ironic camp]] that didn't distract from the overall tone as much. Add to all that the realization that even the noirish ''Batman'' of the 1940s introduced some zany elements within the first year or so, and it can be said that there has never been a time when Batman was ''not'' campy! In this respect, the Nolan films strike one more as revisionist history than [[UnbuiltTrope "what Batman has always been supposed to be."]]
14th May '16 9:32:42 PM 10-13-2
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* Looking at the depiction of Batman in the comics over the past three-quarters of a century, you could say that not only is the [[DarkerAndEdgier "dark"]] Batman a rather recent phenomenon, but its existence has been practically evanescent. The much-derided camp survived in the comics long past the 1970s: while Batman himself grew steadily darker, he served as TheComicallySerious to Robin (who didn't stop wearing the cheesy green bikini bottoms until 1989) and most of the villains. Even after the Creator/FrankMiller era and all the way through the Creator/TimBurton era the stories alternated between grimness and camp, [[MoodWhiplash sometimes jarringly so]]. Not until the bleak ''{{Knightfall}}'' storyline of the 1990s did ''Batman'' make the complete and semi-permanent shift to "dark"; soon afterward, his costume became entirely black and some artists began to draw him as almost literally a vampire. And no sooner had ''that'' happened than the earlier, lighter camp was merely replaced by [[GrotesqueCamp a darker, more ironic camp]] that didn't distract from the overall tone as much. Add to all that the realization that even the noirish ''Batman'' of the 1940s introduced some zany elements within the first year or so, and it can be said that there has never been a time when Batman was ''not'' campy! In this respect, the Nolan films strike one more as revisionist history than [[UnbuiltTrope "what Batman has always been supposed to be."]]
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