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20th May '17 5:16:00 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Those from House Stark who have died did so with only a few of their family present. Lord Rickard and Brandon were executed in King's Landing while Ned was on the Eyrie, Benjen at Winterfell and Lyanna captive at Dorne. Only Ned was present at Lyanna's deathbed in Dorne, though it is later revealed that [[spoiler:a baby Jon Snow]] was also present as [[spoiler:his mother]] Lyanna had just [[spoiler:given birth to him and Ned holds Jon in his arms at Lyanna's bedside]]. Ned is executed with only his daughters present. The others are either at Winterfell (Bran and Rickon), at Castle Black (Jon), beyond the Wall (Benjen), or marching towards King's Landing (Robb and Catelyn). The Red Wedding happens with Jon, Bran, and Rickon somewhere near the Wall, Sansa at King's Landing, Benjen missing beyond the Wall, and Arya just outside the venue while the event is taking place. Jon is murdered in a mutiny at Castle Black, obviously without any of his family. Interestingly, Jon is reunited with Sansa two episodes after his resurrection. Only Jon is present when Rickon is killed by Ramsay. By the time Sansa arrives, she only sees Rickon's corpse.

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Those from House Stark who have died did so with only a few of their family present. Lord Rickard and Brandon were executed in King's Landing while Ned was on the Eyrie, Benjen at Winterfell and Lyanna captive at Dorne. Only Ned was present at Lyanna's deathbed in Dorne, though it is later revealed that [[spoiler:a baby Jon Snow]] was also present as [[spoiler:his mother]] Lyanna had just [[spoiler:given birth to him and Ned holds Jon in his arms at Lyanna's bedside]]. Ned is executed with only his daughters present. The others are either at Winterfell (Bran and Rickon), at Castle Black (Jon), beyond the Wall (Benjen), or marching towards King's Landing (Robb and Catelyn). The Red Wedding happens with Jon, Bran, and Rickon somewhere near the Wall, Sansa at King's Landing, Benjen missing beyond the Wall, and Arya just outside the venue while the event is taking place. Jon is murdered in a mutiny at Castle Black, obviously without any of his family. Interestingly, Jon is reunited with Sansa two episodes after his resurrection. Only Jon is present when Rickon is killed by Ramsay. By the time Sansa arrives, she only sees Rickon's corpse.corpse.
** Like the Starks, the direwolves find themselves dying separate from each other.
18th May '17 9:47:52 AM ClatoLawa
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** ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5505869 Fermeture]]'' is a standout example, opening several years after Hawkmoth's defeat with Marinette living a good life by any standard, but occasionally consumed by regret over never revealing her identity to Chat Noir or letting him do the same when they had the chance - it's stated that she'd tried and failed to find him in the brief window after Tikki told her why she and Plagg would have to leave but before they actually did. She decides to try to set up a reunion with him through the Ladyblog, hoping for some kind of closure. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She ultimately succeeds when Adrien shows up]], (no doubt having had the exact same regrets) though she comes very close to leaving without either of them making the connection]].

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** ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5505869 Fermeture]]'' ''Fanfic/{{Fermeture}}'' is a standout example, opening several years after Hawkmoth's defeat with Marinette living a good life by any standard, but occasionally consumed by regret over never revealing her identity to Chat Noir or letting him do the same when they had the chance - it's stated that she'd tried and failed to find him in the brief window after Tikki told her why she and Plagg would have to leave but before they actually did. She decides to try to set up a reunion with him through the Ladyblog, hoping for some kind of closure. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She ultimately succeeds when Adrien shows up]], (no doubt having had the exact same regrets) though she comes very close to leaving without either of them making the connection]].
18th May '17 4:39:03 AM BradyLady
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* From "I Guess It Never Hurts To Hurt Sometimes," by Music/TheOakRidgeBoys:
-->You're always in my heart and you're often on my mind
-->I will never let it die just as long as I'm alive
-->Sometimes it makes me sad that we never said goodbye
-->Well I guess it never hurts to hurt sometimes
11th May '17 4:58:13 AM ClatoLawa
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** A much more painful variant appears in ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/8823994/ Bring Me Home]]'', in which Adrien is stubbornly ''refusing'' to say goodbye, or anything else, despite Ladybug persistently showing up at their former meeting place five years after Chat disappeared. His reason for this is out of shame that his father was Hawkmoth, as he believes that Ladybug would reject him if she learned his identity, for failing to figure out his father. When Marinette does find out, she's appropriately pissed at the fact that he apparently trusted his partner so little.
25th Apr '17 11:14:14 PM Linda58
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* In ''[[Series/{{Arrow}} Arrow]]'', ''none'' of Laurel's family got to say goodbye, or were even present when she died. Her mother, a character who only occasionally appears anyway, was in another city and might not have even heard she was injured, her sister [[Series/LegendsOfTomorrow was traveling through time]] missing her death ''and'' funeral, and her father, despite rushing to the hospital as soon as he heard she was injured, arrived literally [[TearJerker seconds after her death]].
** Played with for Oliver, Felicity, Diggle, and Thea who while present, had just been told by the doctors she would be fine making it more a case of "didn't know we needed to say goodbye".
23rd Apr '17 3:47:38 AM eroock
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This guilt can be understandable if the hero and the victim had a strained relationship and [[CannotSpitItOut he never came around to telling him how he really felt about them]]. More often than not, however, they had a healthy, long-lasting relationship, and the hero's grief over that ''one'' phrase he forgot to say on that ''one'' day comes off as just a stubborn refusal to quit [[ItsAllMyFault blaming himself]] and move on past the guilt phase. Alternatively, Bob and Alice [[PartingWordsRegret parted on bad terms the last time they saw each other]], and Bob wanted to apologize, but now knows he will never get the chance.

In other words, when the hero says "I never got to say goodbye," it's usually set up as an excuse for him to continue brooding even when it's clear that it's just one small thing in context of the happy times they shared together.

In shows with a more paranormal bent, this is often the precursor to the departured person returning briefly as a ghost or apparition, to give the angstee chance to say goodbye and gain closure. The slightly darker version is IWishedYouWereDead.

This has absolutely nothing to do with {{Rick Roll}}ing, incidentally.

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This guilt can be understandable if the hero and the victim had a strained relationship and [[CannotSpitItOut he never came around to telling him how he really felt about them]]. More often than not, however, they had a healthy, long-lasting relationship, and the hero's grief over that ''one'' phrase he forgot to say on that ''one'' day comes off as just a stubborn refusal to quit [[ItsAllMyFault blaming himself]] and move on past the guilt phase. Alternatively, Bob and Alice [[PartingWordsRegret parted on bad terms the last time they saw each other]], and Bob wanted to apologize, but now knows he will never get the chance.

In other words, when the hero says "I never got to say goodbye," it's usually set up as an excuse for him to continue brooding even when it's clear that it's just one small thing in context of the happy times they shared together.

In shows with a more paranormal bent, this is often the precursor to the departured person returning briefly as a ghost or apparition, to give the angstee chance to say goodbye and gain closure. The slightly

Compare PartingWordsRegret where Bob and Alice parted on bad terms the last time they saw each other, and Bob wanted to apologize, but now knows he will never get the chance. An even darker
darker version is IWishedYouWereDead.

This has absolutely nothing to do with {{Rick Roll}}ing, incidentally.
IWishedYouWereDead.
15th Apr '17 10:26:19 PM ClatoLawa
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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' future fics, which often involve Ladybug and Chat Noir being forced to give up their Miraculous immediately after defeating the Hawkmoth/Papillon and leaving them with no way to contact their partner unless they'd revealed themselves already. These stories will usually end on a happy note with Marinette and Adrien being reunited and accidentally revealing themselves.

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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' future fics, which often involve Ladybug and Chat Noir being forced to give up their Miraculous immediately after defeating the Hawkmoth/Papillon and leaving them with no way to contact their partner unless they'd revealed themselves already. These stories will usually end on a happy note with Marinette and Adrien being reunited years later and accidentally revealing themselves.
15th Apr '17 10:25:37 PM ClatoLawa
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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' future fics, which often involve Ladybug and Chat Noir being forced to give up their Miraculous immediately after defeating the Hawkmoth/Papillon and leaving them with no way to contact their partner.

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* Common in ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' future fics, which often involve Ladybug and Chat Noir being forced to give up their Miraculous immediately after defeating the Hawkmoth/Papillon and leaving them with no way to contact their partner.partner unless they'd revealed themselves already. These stories will usually end on a happy note with Marinette and Adrien being reunited and accidentally revealing themselves.
11th Apr '17 8:02:55 AM ClatoLawa
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** ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5736211/chapters/13218127 It's Complicated]]'' takes a different approach by ''not'' having the characters stripped of their Miraculouses. In this case, the heroes tried to set up a meeting the day after Hawkmoth's defeat, but due to some poor planning and a lot of bad luck, Marinette ends up stuck in traffic on the other side of Paris and is unable to get to the park later due to a flight to New York scheduled that afternoon (she held off on telling Chat Noir about her study plans so as not to add pressure on him in their efforts to capture Hawkmoth). Adrien, who did make it to the park, feels abandoned, and when Ladybug does reappear in Paris seven years later, he's not exactly willing to hear her out.

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** ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5736211/chapters/13218127 It's Complicated]]'' org/works/5736211 Something in the Night]]'' takes a different approach by ''not'' having the characters stripped of their Miraculouses. In this case, the heroes tried to set up a meeting the day after Hawkmoth's defeat, but due to some poor planning and a lot of bad luck, Marinette ends up stuck in traffic on the other side of Paris and is unable to get to the park later due to a flight to New York scheduled that afternoon (she held off on telling Chat Noir about her study plans so as not to add pressure on him in their efforts to capture Hawkmoth). Adrien, who did make it to the park, feels abandoned, and when Ladybug does reappear in Paris seven years later, he's not exactly willing to hear her out.
11th Apr '17 4:48:48 AM ClatoLawa
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* A non-fatal example from the ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5505869 Fermeture]]'', set several years after the series, after Hawkmoth has been defeated and Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat Noir have been forced to give up their powers. The story opens with Marinette living a good life by any standard, but occasionally consumed by regret over never revealing her identity to Chat Noir or letting him do the same when they had the chance - it's stated that she'd tried and failed to find him in the brief window after Tikki told her why she and Plagg would have to leave with the Miraculouses but before they actually did. She decides to try to set up a reunion with him through the Ladyblog, hoping for some kind of closure. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She ultimately succeeds when Adrien shows up]], (no doubt having had the exact same regrets) though she comes very close to leaving without either of them making the connection]].

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* A non-fatal example from the Common in ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic future fics, which often involve Ladybug and Chat Noir being forced to give up their Miraculous immediately after defeating the Hawkmoth/Papillon and leaving them with no way to contact their partner.
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''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5505869 Fermeture]]'', set Fermeture]]'' is a standout example, opening several years after the series, after Hawkmoth has been defeated and Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Chat Noir have been forced to give up their powers. The story opens Hawkmoth's defeat with Marinette living a good life by any standard, but occasionally consumed by regret over never revealing her identity to Chat Noir or letting him do the same when they had the chance - it's stated that she'd tried and failed to find him in the brief window after Tikki told her why she and Plagg would have to leave with the Miraculouses but before they actually did. She decides to try to set up a reunion with him through the Ladyblog, hoping for some kind of closure. [[spoiler:[[EarnYourHappyEnding She ultimately succeeds when Adrien shows up]], (no doubt having had the exact same regrets) though she comes very close to leaving without either of them making the connection]].connection]].
** ''[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/5736211/chapters/13218127 It's Complicated]]'' takes a different approach by ''not'' having the characters stripped of their Miraculouses. In this case, the heroes tried to set up a meeting the day after Hawkmoth's defeat, but due to some poor planning and a lot of bad luck, Marinette ends up stuck in traffic on the other side of Paris and is unable to get to the park later due to a flight to New York scheduled that afternoon (she held off on telling Chat Noir about her study plans so as not to add pressure on him in their efforts to capture Hawkmoth). Adrien, who did make it to the park, feels abandoned, and when Ladybug does reappear in Paris seven years later, he's not exactly willing to hear her out.
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