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15th Apr '18 8:24:02 PM Xshu
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* In ''Franchise/DragonAge'', the dwarves and qunari don't acknowledge any gods. The former revere but do not worship their most noteworthy ancestors almost like secular saints. The latter ascribe to a religion called the Qun, and seek to impose it upon other races, but one of its core doctrines is [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions ridiculing even the concept of gods]]. There's little evidence Oghren or Sten deviate from the rest of their people in this regard. Of the rest of the Warden's companions, Zevran and Morrigan are extremely irreverant towards the Maker and the Chantry, though in the latter's case the fact that the Chantry's templars occasionally hunt her as an apostate might have something to do with it. On the other hand, Alistair, Wynne and Leliana show increasing levels of devotion to the Maker.
** The Dwarves don't worship any gods per se, but they do have a rather complicated belief system involving the stone surrounding them. They credit it with the creation of their race for one thing, and the mining caste can receive messages from it from time to time (the tactics that led to the survival of the last Dwarven city are supposed to have been spoken by the stone).
** Morrigan is actually an avowed atheist; this comes up in her conversations with Leliana. When Leliana questions on how she can not believe in the Maker when she has magic, Morrigan points out that there is no ''proof'' that the Maker exists, whereas her ability to use magic is clearly very ''real''.
** There is a divisive in-universe theory that [[CrystalDragonJesus Andraste]] was actually a very powerful mage, rather than the bride of the Maker. Naturally, the Chantry is not fond of this idea, and actively declares any mention of it blasphemy. Little evidence is given one way or another, which leaves the player to draw their own conclusions on the matter.
** Solas from ''Inquisition'' will admit in banter with Cassandra that he believes the Elven Pantheon and the Old Gods were real, but he also believes they were not truly gods. In contrast, he does not believe The Maker exists, but he approves of the idea of a deity like The Maker who does not flaunt their power. [[spoiler:This doubles as AGodIAmNot, seeing as how Solas is actually one of the aforementioned elven 'gods'. It turns out they weren't gods either, just incredibly powerful mages who set themselves up as gods, until Solas split the world in half with the Veil cutting them off from their 'worshipers' to prevent them trying to meddle further.]]
** ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' - It doesn't come up much, but a sarcastic Hawke seems to harbour increasingly cynical feelings about the Maker under the SadClown act. It's very apparent in the final conversation with their sister Bethany (who, by contrast, is the most religious teammate next to Sebastian).

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* In ''Franchise/DragonAge'', the dwarves and qunari don't acknowledge any gods. The former revere but do not worship their most noteworthy ancestors almost like secular saints. The latter ascribe to a religion called the Qun, and seek to impose it upon other races, but one of its core doctrines is [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions ridiculing even the concept of gods]]. There's little evidence Oghren or Sten deviate from the rest of their people in this regard. Of the rest of the Warden's companions, Zevran and Morrigan are extremely irreverant towards the Maker and the Chantry, though in the latter's case the fact that the Chantry's templars occasionally hunt her as an apostate might have something to do with it. On the other hand, Alistair, Wynne and Leliana show increasing levels of devotion to the Maker.
** The Dwarves don't worship any gods per se, but they do have a rather complicated belief system involving the stone surrounding them. They credit it with the creation of their race for one thing, and the mining caste can receive messages from it from time to time (the tactics that led to the survival of the last Dwarven city are supposed to have been spoken by the stone).
** Morrigan is actually an avowed atheist; this comes up in her conversations with Leliana. When Leliana questions on how she can not believe in the Maker when she has magic, Morrigan points out that there is no ''proof'' that the Maker exists, whereas her ability to use magic is clearly very ''real''.
** There is a divisive in-universe theory that [[CrystalDragonJesus Andraste]] was actually a very powerful mage, rather than the bride of the Maker. Naturally, the Chantry is not fond of this idea, and actively declares any mention of it blasphemy. Little evidence is given one way or another, which leaves the player to draw their own conclusions on the matter.
** Solas from ''Inquisition'' will admit in banter with Cassandra that he believes the Elven Pantheon and the Old Gods were real, but he also believes they were not truly gods. In contrast, he does not believe The Maker exists, but he approves of the idea of a deity like The Maker who does not flaunt their power. [[spoiler:This doubles as AGodIAmNot, seeing as how Solas is actually one of the aforementioned elven 'gods'. It turns out they weren't gods either, just incredibly powerful mages who set themselves up as gods, until Solas split the world in half with the Veil cutting them off from their 'worshipers' to prevent them trying to meddle further.]]
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''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' - It doesn't come up much, but a sarcastic Hawke seems to harbour increasingly cynical feelings about the Maker under the SadClown act. It's very apparent in the final conversation with their sister Bethany (who, by contrast, is the most religious teammate next to Sebastian).
15th Apr '18 4:34:31 AM CountDorku
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* Cyclonus in ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye''. At one point, he comes up against Star Saber, who is TheFundamentalist, and gives a speech about how he thinks Primus, Cybertron's God, can't be all that infallible if a NiceGuy like Tailgate is dying of cybercrosis but an asshole like Star Saber is still going strong. [[PreAssKickingOneLiner Not to worry, though; Cyclonus is here to fix that.]]
13th Apr '18 11:47:56 AM TompaDompa
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* A popular [[http://joyreactor.com/post/351286 image meme]] sums up this trope with regard to ''Film/TheAvengers2012'':
-->'''Captain America''': Met two gods. Still a Christian.\\
'''Iron Man''': Met two gods. Still an atheist.\\
'''The Hulk''': Met two gods. Beat the crap out of both.
* ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'': The abuse [[BigBad Lex Luthor]] suffered at the hands of [[AbusiveParents his father]] led him to believe that God was either not powerful enough to stop it from happening, or [[TheGodsMustBeLazy simply didn't care]]. This is a key factor in his hatred of Superman, an actual God-like figure he can direct his anger toward.
-->'''Lex''': See, what we call God depends on our tribe, Clark Joe, 'cause God is tribal, God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations! I figured it out way back! If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. And if he is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful...and neither can you be.



* In ''Film/{{Deewaar}}'', Vijay refuses to go into the temple with his mother and brother. When his mother gets ill, he goes there and chews Shiva out for punishing Sumitra for his crimes, before begging the deity to spare her.



* A popular [[http://joyreactor.com/post/351286 image meme]] sums up this trope with regard to ''Film/TheAvengers2012'':
-->'''Captain America''': Met two gods. Still a Christian.\\
'''Iron Man''': Met two gods. Still an atheist.\\
'''The Hulk''': Met two gods. Beat the crap out of both.
* ''Film/TheRapture'': Sharon becomes one [[spoiler: after her husband and daughter die]], believing that God abandoned them.
* ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'': The abuse [[BigBad Lex Luthor]] suffered at the hands of [[AbusiveParents his father]] led him to believe that God was either not powerful enough to stop it from happening, or [[TheGodsMustBeLazy simply didn't care]]. This is a key factor in his hatred of Superman, an actual God-like figure he can direct his anger toward.
-->'''Lex''': See, what we call God depends on our tribe, Clark Joe, 'cause God is tribal, God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations! I figured it out way back! If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. And if he is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful...and neither can you be.
12th Apr '18 6:52:20 AM MrDeath
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** It's also deconstructed as this attitude is not one to have when the Gods control the mechanics of the world... including if to ''destory it'' to avoid a god-killing EldritchAbomination from getting free and destorying everyone, mortal and god alike. Especially since [[spoiler: Hel is counting on this as part of her plan to become the new TopGod... with her main servant being the vampire who has hijacked Durkon's body. Her paln is to tip thescales of power by destorying the world... and all of dwarfkind subjected to her, making her all-powerful.]]
12th Apr '18 6:44:49 AM MrDeath
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*** Harry has met several gods personally, and their reaction to him has largely been that he's not important enough to shift their existing plans to accommodate his need to keep breathing, and his interactions with the high-level servants of gods (angels, the queens of the courts) have most often resulted in them attempting to make him a pawn or destroy him. Lack of worship is really just returning the favor at this point.
12th Apr '18 6:34:49 AM MrDeath
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-->'''Akiro''': The gods are pleased! They will watch the battle?\\

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-->'''Akiro''': The gods are pleased! They will watch the battle?\\battle!\\
12th Apr '18 6:34:26 AM MrDeath
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** Another, briefer one.
-->'''Akiro''': The gods are pleased! They will watch the battle?\\
'''Conan''': Are they going to help?\\
'''Akiro''': No.\\
'''Conan''': Then tell them to stay out of the way!
6th Apr '18 7:02:38 AM Landmark520
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* This [[https://altgodt.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/steve.png cartoon]] where Steve Jobs arrives in Heaven after his death. Despite meeting St. Peter himself, he reminds him he's a Buddhist and orders to be reincarnated. St. Peter obliges by sending him back as a [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor Chinese sweatshop worker]] [[{{Irony}} making Apple products.]]
19th Mar '18 10:31:34 AM Synch
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-->-- ''Literature/LordsAndLadies''

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-->-- ''Literature/LordsAndLadies''
''Discworld/LordsAndLadies''
16th Feb '18 2:25:27 PM DVB
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** It's also deconstructed as this attitude is not one to have when the Gods control the mechanics of the world... including if to ''destory it'' to avoid a god-killing EldritchAbomination from getting free and destorying everyone, mortal and god alike. Especially since [[spoiler: Hel is counting on this as part of her plan to become the new TopGod... with her main servant being the vampire who has hijacked Durkon's body. Her paln is to tip thescales of power by destorying the world... and all of dwarfkind subjected to her, making her all-powerful.]]
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