Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Main / Naytheist

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Removed example from third-party D&D source. Such examples can be listed under their own campaign setting (if one exists) but shouldn't be listed under the main D&D heading since they don't really count as official D&D lore.


*** Half-giants (from an open content sourcebook) believe in the gods, but generally, don't consider them important.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TokenEvilTeammate Minthara in ''VideoGame/BaldursGateIII'' was a former paladin of the GodOfEvil Lolth, but after Lolth abandoned her for worshipping other gods while BrainwashedAndCrazy, she became critical of gods in general.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Seto Kaiba of ''Anime/YuGiOh'' is an excellent example of this trope in the original Japanese. Unlike in the dub, he doesn't dispute the existence of the supernatural, rather he doesn't care about it. Being a reincarnation of an Egyptian priest is irrelevant to him because he only cares about the future. And though he seems to treat the Egyptian God Cards as genuine deities, his arguably biggest SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome comes when he ''[[ScrewDestiny literally changes destiny]]'' by ''sacrificing'' his God card in order to summon Blue Eyes White Dragon. The sheer audacity to offer a God as a tribute to his favorite card leaves everyone in the audience absolutely stunned. He later tells Ishizu that everyone has something they believe in even more strongly than gods.

to:

* [[Characters/YuGiOhSetoKaiba Seto Kaiba Kaiba]] of ''Anime/YuGiOh'' is an excellent example of this trope in the original Japanese. Unlike in the dub, he doesn't dispute the existence of the supernatural, rather he doesn't care about it. Being a reincarnation of an Egyptian priest is irrelevant to him because he only cares about the future. And though he seems to treat the Egyptian God Cards as genuine deities, his arguably biggest SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome comes when he ''[[ScrewDestiny literally changes destiny]]'' by ''sacrificing'' his God card in order to summon Blue Eyes White Dragon. The sheer audacity to offer a God as a tribute to his favorite card leaves everyone in the audience absolutely stunned. He later tells Ishizu that everyone has something they believe in even more strongly than gods.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Explicitly *not* about Flat Earth Atheists; this trope is about people who know gods exist and don't care or don't like them.


* Karin Kurosaki from ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' is this way, though instead of gods she [[FlatEarthAtheist denies the existence of ghosts]] (at least in the early parts) despite being able to interact with them as well as her brother.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added example(s)

Added DiffLines:

* ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet'': The devoutly Catholic Pembleton eventually [[RageAgainstTheHeavens turns against God and renounces his faith]] after getting fed up with the [[EvilStoleMyFaith amount of horrific crimes he's witnessed]], even refusing to enter a church for a friend's funeral mass out of spite. He eventually regains his faith in the sixth season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* During the "Wager of the Gods" story arc in ''Comicbook/GrooTheWanderer'', Chakaal responds that the gods are uncaring buffoons when they attempt to assign her a task.

to:

* During the "Wager of the Gods" story arc in ''Comicbook/GrooTheWanderer'', ''ComicBook/GrooTheWanderer'', Chakaal responds that the gods are uncaring buffoons when they attempt to assign her a task.



* Creator/PaulCornell's take on ''Comicbook/LexLuthor''.
-->'''Luthor''': In a cosmos like ours -- if you accept the "[[Comicbook/GreenLantern Big Hand theory]]" of the universe's origin -- deciding on atheism isn't a ''logical'' choice. It's an ''ethical'' one. If there is a God if he turns out to be ... [[Characters/SupermanMisterMxyzptlk a little man in a bowler hat]] or something, do I at least get to put forth my case? Do I get to argue?

to:

* Creator/PaulCornell's take on ''Comicbook/LexLuthor''.
''ComicBook/LexLuthor''.
-->'''Luthor''': In a cosmos like ours -- if you accept the "[[Comicbook/GreenLantern "[[ComicBook/GreenLantern Big Hand theory]]" of the universe's origin -- deciding on atheism isn't a ''logical'' choice. It's an ''ethical'' one. If there is a God if he turns out to be ... [[Characters/SupermanMisterMxyzptlk a little man in a bowler hat]] or something, do I at least get to put forth my case? Do I get to argue?



** The ''Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch'' novel ''Avatar'' introduces a Bajoran minority religion, Ohalavaru, that believes the Prophets (the {{SufficientlyAdvancedAlien who are known in the setting's present-day to live in the wormhole in the Bajoran system) are powerful beings, but not gods, and have a symbiotic relationship with the Bajoran people. The mainstream church persecuted them as heretics.

to:

** The ''Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch'' novel ''Avatar'' introduces a Bajoran minority religion, Ohalavaru, that believes the Prophets (the {{SufficientlyAdvancedAlien {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s who are known in the setting's present-day to live in the wormhole in the Bajoran system) are powerful beings, but not gods, and have a symbiotic relationship with the Bajoran people. The mainstream church persecuted them as heretics.



--> She was praying for help, that never came.

to:

--> ---> She was praying for help, that never came.



* In the Music/{{Nine Inch Nails}} song "Terrible Lie," the speaker feels betrayed by God and proceeds to tell Him directly how much he hates Him and that He owes the speaker "a great big apology."
* Music/{{Roger Waters}} mixes this with AGodAmI on the first verse of "Déjà Vu", with the narrator holding God accountable for man's flaws and the sorry state of the world and suggesting he would have done better.

to:

* In the Music/{{Nine Inch Nails}} Music/NineInchNails song "Terrible Lie," the speaker feels betrayed by God and proceeds to tell Him directly how much he hates Him and that He owes the speaker "a great big apology."
* Music/{{Roger Waters}} Music/RogerWaters mixes this with AGodAmI on the first verse of "Déjà Vu", with the narrator holding God accountable for man's flaws and the sorry state of the world and suggesting he would have done better.



* ''Theatre/JesusChristSuperstar'': Judas realizes his place as {{Cosmic Plaything}} when [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone in a moment of horror after he shows his immense regret for turning Jesus over]], he comes to the conclusion that God was carrying everything out as part of his plan, including Judas's role as the betrayer. He cries out to God, claiming that he killed him, [[DrivenToSuicide before doing the job himself.]]

to:

* ''Theatre/JesusChristSuperstar'': Judas realizes his place as {{Cosmic Plaything}} CosmicPlaything when [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone in a moment of horror after he shows his immense regret for turning Jesus over]], he comes to the conclusion that God was carrying everything out as part of his plan, including Judas's role as the betrayer. He cries out to God, claiming that he killed him, [[DrivenToSuicide before doing the job himself.]]



* Valygar's attitude towards the gods in ''VideoGame/BaldursGate II''. After all, when the pantheon includes evil madmen like Cyric and gods who were once fallible humans, why exactly do the gods deserve worship?

to:

* Valygar's attitude towards the gods in ''VideoGame/BaldursGate II''.''VideoGame/BaldursGateII''. After all, when the pantheon includes evil madmen like Cyric and gods who were once fallible humans, why exactly do the gods deserve worship?



* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'''s setting of Gensokyo features several characters who, like the Discworld example above, gladly describe themselves as irreligious despite having tea parties with goddesses on a semi-regular basis (though declaring full atheism is just asking for trouble when said deities can be ''quite vocal'' about their existence). The local {{Tengu}} and {{Kappa}} view faith as a negotiation tool when dealing with the goddesses of the Moriya Shrine, who more or less dole out extra-Border technological innovations in exchange for worship. The Scarlet Devil Mansion's denizens contributed to the Hakurei Shrine's reconstruction, but only because Reimu's their friend, and they flatly deny her any more assistance since they don't want the gods to get in their way, nor do they need them in the first place. Magicians like Marisa Kirisame have little use for religion save for its magical applications, and tend to be more committed to their craft than to deities - Marisa once complained about how the faithless can't understand faith, and when she outright asked Kanako what faith was, she was told, "It's the same as how you feel towards magic."

to:

* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'''s ''Franchise/TouhouProject'''s setting of Gensokyo features several characters who, like the Discworld example above, gladly describe themselves as irreligious despite having tea parties with goddesses on a semi-regular basis (though declaring full atheism is just asking for trouble when said deities can be ''quite vocal'' about their existence). The local {{Tengu}} and {{Kappa}} view faith as a negotiation tool when dealing with the goddesses of the Moriya Shrine, who more or less dole out extra-Border technological innovations in exchange for worship. The Scarlet Devil Mansion's denizens contributed to the Hakurei Shrine's reconstruction, but only because Reimu's their friend, and they flatly deny her any more assistance since they don't want the gods to get in their way, nor do they need them in the first place. Magicians like Marisa Kirisame have little use for religion save for its magical applications, and tend to be more committed to their craft than to deities - Marisa once complained about how the faithless can't understand faith, and when she outright asked Kanako what faith was, she was told, "It's the same as how you feel towards magic."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->'''Luthor''': In a cosmos like ours -- if you accept the "[[Comicbook/GreenLantern Big Hand theory]]" of the universe's origin -- deciding on atheism isn't a ''logical'' choice. It's an ''ethical'' one. If there is a God if he turns out to be ... [[GreatGazoo a little man in a bowler hat]] or something, do I at least get to put forth my case? Do I get to argue?

to:

-->'''Luthor''': In a cosmos like ours -- if you accept the "[[Comicbook/GreenLantern Big Hand theory]]" of the universe's origin -- deciding on atheism isn't a ''logical'' choice. It's an ''ethical'' one. If there is a God if he turns out to be ... [[GreatGazoo [[Characters/SupermanMisterMxyzptlk a little man in a bowler hat]] or something, do I at least get to put forth my case? Do I get to argue?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


--->''Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never-ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle and wonder if we'll ever have the chance to kill him''

to:

--->''Everything --->'''[=2B=]''':''Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never-ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle and puzzle... ''and wonder if we'll ever have the chance to kill him''him''.''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
added We All Fall Down to Literature

Added DiffLines:

* ''[[Literature/WeAllFallDown2000 We All Fall Down]]'': Jimmy is living through the biblical tribulation after [[CaughtUpInTheRapture his wife and the world's other Christians are raptured]]. As TheAntichrist establishes a OneWorldOrder, Jimmy tells everyone this proves the Bible is true and intends to convert once he's fled to safety in Israel. When he's confronted over his faith, though, Jimmy can't bring himself to accept God's terms for salvation in light of [[CrapsackWorld all the devastation and suffering]] the world has been plunged into.

Added: 424

Changed: 428

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Borderline example: In ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', Loki's first appearance has him convincing a nun that her service to some "father figure saying 'Don't do it, or I'll spank you!'" is misguided and there isn't really any proof of God. The trick is, Loki's a fallen angel, who's not only stood in the presence of the Almighty but has spoken to Him personally. He just acts like an atheist because he loves to "fuck with the clergy, man; I love keepin' them on their toes."

to:

* Borderline example: In ''Film/{{Dogma}}'', examples in ''Film/{{Dogma}}'':
**
Loki's first appearance has him convincing a nun that her service to some "father figure saying 'Don't do it, or I'll spank you!'" is misguided and there isn't really any proof of God. The trick is, Loki's a fallen angel, who's not only stood in the presence of the Almighty but has spoken to Him personally. He just acts like an atheist because he loves to "fuck with the clergy, man; I love keepin' them on their toes."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ''Fanfic/TruthAndConsequences'': Kaiser Long and Firebird, the BigBadDuumvirate of the second story, view the Kwami, and by extension the fundamental universal forces they embody, as selfish, uncaring gods who refuse to use their power to help humanity. Part of their goal is to take all that power, and put it in humanity's hands; specifically, ''their'' hands, as the majority of humanity is currently too ignorant to use it properly, and will need to be uplifted by them first.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Orc religion in ''Literature/HelenAndTroysEpicRoadQuest'' is described as "ignoring the gods and having them ignore you in turn." It also doesn't help that when an orc dies, they are expected to either kill a god or spend eternity adding to an ever-growing mound of corpses, the former having yet to be accomplished.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Stoneteller, the leader of the Tribe of Rushing Water, refuses to worship or heed the signs of the Tribe of Endless Hunting because they've had to completely overhaul the Tribe's way of doing things after another group of cats became their neighbors, something that Stoneteller dislikes.

to:

** Stoneteller, the leader of the Tribe of Rushing Water, refuses to worship or heed the signs of the Tribe of Endless Hunting because they've had to completely overhaul the Tribe's way of doing things after another another, unfriendly group of cats became their neighbors, something that Stoneteller dislikes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Oona claims this to be the case for bugbears in general, noting that they consider the Dark One (the sole goblin god in the setting) to be "nice for weddings and funerals, otherwise, can give or take." They perceive the Dark One as overly focused on goblins and hobgoblins and [[TheUnfavorite leaving bugbears out to dry]], and it's even worse for the more obscure goblinoid subraces like norkers and nilbogs.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
no, it isn't, this is some sort of weird Internet challenge to invent a word.


The technical term for this is alatry or alatrism. A variant of this position is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misotheism misotheism]] where the person believes in but actively hates God(s). For media portrayals of atheists as misotheists (among other misconceptions), see HollywoodAtheist.

to:

The technical term for this is alatry or alatrism. A variant of this position is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misotheism misotheism]] where the person believes in but actively hates God(s). For media portrayals of atheists as misotheists (among other misconceptions), see HollywoodAtheist.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ''Webcomic/ATaleOfTwoRulers'': Zelda believes that if the goddesses exist, they're evil beings for allowing so much suffering in the world, to the point she allows temples and churches to them to fall into rot and disrepair. Ganondorf is asghast at this; not because he disagrees per se, but because he's seen their wrath firsthand, and has a vested personal interest in not incurring it again, even if it means humbling himself by praying to them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ''WebVideo/CriticalRoleExandriaUnlimited'': The ''Calamity'' campaign takes place at the height (and ''end'') of the Age of Archanum, when wizards and mages had grown so extraordinarily powerful, they saw themselves and their civilization as equal to, if not superior to the Prime Deities, which extends to the party. Zerxus in particular is a Paladin, normally a divine caster, who draws his power from the city of Avalyr itself, rather than any belief in the gods, whom he actively dislikes. [[spoiler: This gets exploited by Asmodeus, who portrays himself and the Betrayer Gods as victims of the tyrannical Prime Deities, a lie Zerxus believes because it only verifies what he already believed about the Prime Deities]].

Top