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8th Jan '17 7:36:29 PM JurassicMosquito
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* Sam and Dean of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. Even some of the angels are nay-theists.
** Including Castiel, once it's been made explicit that [[spoiler: God has no intention of stopping the Apocalypse]].
** Actually, [[spoiler: God gave them all the help they needed to stop the apocalypse without his interference in their lives, thus preserving their free will. Castiel made it clear that he wants to aid Heaven, now that Michael's gone. When Dean asked why, Castiel asked him if he wanted Peace or Freedom before [=POOFing=] out....]].

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* Sam and Dean Winchester, and Sam to a lesser extent, of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}''. Even some of the angels are nay-theists.
** More specifically, Dean absolutely knows that Heaven and Hell exist, but feels his life would be simpler if they left him alone.
** Including Castiel, once it's been made explicit they come to believe that [[spoiler: God has no intention of stopping the Apocalypse]].
** Actually,
Apocalypse]]. A more complete explanation is that [[spoiler: God gave them all the help they needed to stop the apocalypse without his interference in their lives, thus preserving their free will. Castiel made it clear that he wants to aid Heaven, now that Michael's gone. When Dean asked why, Castiel asked him if he wanted Peace or Freedom before [=POOFing=] out....]].
6th Jan '17 6:44:55 AM ScottMarshall
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* ''LetsPlay/KnudKnytlingPrinceOfDenmark''. His descendants too, but Knud himself has the most hilariously passive-aggressive way of expressing it.
-->'''Knud''': I send all my problems to church. Because I hate God. And myself.
31st Dec '16 12:00:33 PM Xtifr
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* In Creator/CharlesStross's ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'', Bob is fully aware of the existence of at least [[CosmicHorror one being]] he deems "indistinguishable from God". As of ''The Fuller Memorandum'', he is awaiting his God's return to Earth... with a shotgun. There's also a bit in ''The Jennifer Morgue'' where a fellow agent points out that while Bob may not believe in God, he certainly believes in Hell (as he's had extensive dealings with informational entities from other universes that could easily be classified as demons).

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* In Creator/CharlesStross's ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'', ''Literature/TheLaundryFiles'', Bob is fully aware of the existence of at least [[CosmicHorror one being]] he deems "indistinguishable from God". As of ''The Fuller Memorandum'', he is awaiting his God's return to Earth... with a shotgun. There's also a bit in ''The Jennifer Morgue'' where a fellow agent points out that while Bob may not believe in God, he certainly believes in Hell (as he's had extensive dealings with informational entities from other universes that could easily be classified as demons).
28th Dec '16 11:24:55 AM TheCuza
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* One of the three starting Creeds of ''VideoGame/SaltAndSanctuary'' is The Iron Ones, who worship no gods and instead revere the iron will of men.
24th Dec '16 3:19:45 PM Observance
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** The Foundation itself can be considered nay-theists if one takes the viewpoint of the Church of the Broken God. They keep the god's "heart" under lock and key and want it to stay there for all eternity.

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** The Foundation itself can be considered nay-theists if one takes the viewpoint of the Church of the Broken God. They keep the god's "heart" keeps several important figures and artifacts from just about every major world religion under lock and key key, but nowhere in their documents does the Foundation actually ''identify'' them as those important figures and/or artifacts, even when doing so might lend context to their anomalous natures. From the Foundation's point of view, there's no guarantee that these things are really what they claim to be, and want it to stay there making assumptions about these inherently unpredictable and ''incredibly dangerous'' objects is a recipe for all eternity.disaster.
20th Dec '16 11:52:16 AM wootzits
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* Mezentius of ''Literature/TheAeneid'' refuses to worship the gods.



* ''Literature/ArcOfFire'': Kail has concluded that it's pointless to worship any gods, since none have ever answered his prayers to them and give no indication of caring.



* ''Literature/TheIlliad'': Little Ajax, after the Trojan War, survives a shipwreck and shouts at the gods that they have failed to kill him. And then he's immediately killed.



* In Creator/CharlesStross's ''[[Literature/TheLaundrySeries Laundry Series]]'', Bob is fully aware of the existence of at least [[CosmicHorror one being]] he deems "indistinguishable from God". As of ''The Fuller Memorandum'', he is awaiting his God's return to Earth. . . with a shotgun. There's also a bit in ''The Jennifer Morgue'' where a fellow agent points out that while Bob may not believe in God, he certainly believes in Hell (as he's had extensive dealings with informational entities from other universes that could easily be classified as demons).

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* In Creator/CharlesStross's ''[[Literature/TheLaundrySeries Laundry Series]]'', ''Literature/TheLaundrySeries'', Bob is fully aware of the existence of at least [[CosmicHorror one being]] he deems "indistinguishable from God". As of ''The Fuller Memorandum'', he is awaiting his God's return to Earth. . .Earth... with a shotgun. There's also a bit in ''The Jennifer Morgue'' where a fellow agent points out that while Bob may not believe in God, he certainly believes in Hell (as he's had extensive dealings with informational entities from other universes that could easily be classified as demons).demons).
* Zakath from ''Literature/TheMalloreon'', who admits that while he acknowledges the ''existence'' of the gods, he still can't accept that they play any sort of role in the world. He's basically got the right end of the stick on the gods; Aldur and [=UL=] are the only ones who still interact with their followers to any degree anymore, and even they don't really get involved unless they ''must'' (Aldur to get Belgarath, Belgarion and Silk away from Vorduvai, and [=UL=] to tell Relg to stop being a [[JerkAss troublemaker]] and go with the companions.) He's ''seriously wrong'' about the [[ThePowersThatBe Prophecies]] not having any real impact, though. The gods left ''deliberately'' because if they'd stayed, they'd have had to confront Torak, and that would have risked destroying the world, thereby fucking up the Prophecies on a horrific scale.
* In ''Literature/MidnightsChildren'', Saleem's grandfather Aadam becomes this after he mistakes Joseph D'Costa's ghost for {{God}}, as he blames God for the bad events in his life. He spends the rest of his life haranguing priests and ranting outside of mosques.



* In one of the ''Literature/ObsidianAndBlood'' novels, Acatl encounters a Nay Theist. It's worth noting that he is absolutely horrified by this, despite having personal experience of what jerkasses gods can be, and despite the Nay Theist being that way because a god did something really awful to him.



* ''OlderThanFeudalism'': Little Ajax, after the Trojan War, survives a shipwreck and shouts at the gods that they have failed to kill him. And then he's immediately killed.
** Mezentius of ''Literature/TheAeneid'' refuses to worship the gods.

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* ''OlderThanFeudalism'': Little Ajax, after ''Literature/OneNationUnderJupiter'': Gottlieb, at least for the Trojan War, survives a shipwreck and shouts at the gods that they have failed to kill him. And then he's immediately killed.
** Mezentius of ''Literature/TheAeneid'' refuses to worship the gods.
Roman pantheon.



* Zakath from David Eddings's ''Literature/TheMalloreon'', who admits that while he acknowledges the ''existence'' of the gods, he still can't accept that they play any sort of role in the world. He's basically got the right end of the stick on the gods; Aldur and [=UL=] are the only ones who still interact with their followers to any degree anymore, and even they don't really get involved unless they ''must'' (Aldur to get Belgarath, Belgarion and Silk away from Vorduvai, and [=UL=] to tell Relg to stop being a [[JerkAss troublemaker]] and go with the companions.) He's ''seriously wrong'' about the [[ThePowersThatBe Prophecies]] not having any real impact, though. The gods left ''deliberately'' because if they'd stayed, they'd have had to confront Torak, and that would have risked destroying the world, thereby fucking up the Prophecies on a horrific scale.



* Lightsong from ''Literature/{{Warbreaker}}'' is a strange example, though this trope is probably the best fit for him- he actually is a [[PhysicalGod god]], or at least a kind of being that is worshiped as such, but he finds the whole idea quite ludicrous and refuses to acknowledge his own divinity. Lightsong doesn't really have any solid ideas about gods otherwise- he's just certain that he's not one. [[spoiler: He ends up changing his mind, though to readers familiar with Brandon Sanderson's multiverse, it's clear the Returned aren't actually gods, just the emissaries of one of them]].

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* ''Literature/TheTraitorSonCycle'': The Red Knight's favourite saying is "God doesn't give a f***"; hence why he doesn't worship Him unless he has to show up in a church for PR.
* Lightsong from ''Literature/{{Warbreaker}}'' is a strange example, though this trope is probably the best fit for him- he actually is a [[PhysicalGod god]], or at least a kind of being that is worshiped as such, but he finds the whole idea quite ludicrous and refuses to acknowledge his own divinity. Lightsong doesn't really have any solid ideas about gods otherwise- he's just certain that he's not one. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He ends up changing his mind, though to readers familiar with Brandon Sanderson's multiverse, it's clear the Returned aren't actually gods, just the emissaries of one of them]].



* In Bernard Cornwell's ''[[Literature/TheWarlordChronicles Warlord Chronicles]]'' King Arthur doesn't dispute the existence of the gods and is technically a Mithraist [[spoiler: and later, just as technically, a Christian]] but believes that men are better off taking their fate into their own hands.
* In ''Literature/WarriorCats'', Mothwing starts out believing that [=StarClan=] doesn't exist; that "prophecies" are only things medicine cats knew in their subconscious that they just happened to remember in dreams. Eventually she does come to accept that [=StarClan=] exists, but she still doesn't truly "believe" in them. And she's supposed to be the religious leader of her Clan...
* In ''Literature/MidnightsChildren'', Saleem's grandfather Aadam becomes this after he mistakes Joseph D'Costa's ghost for {{God}}, as he blames God for the bad events in his life. He spends the rest of his life haranguing priests and ranting outside of mosques.
* In one of the ''Literature/ObsidianAndBlood'' novels, Acatl encounters a Nay Theist. It's worth noting that he is absolutely horrified by this, despite having personal experience of what jerkasses gods can be, and despite the Nay Theist being that way because a god did something really awful to him.
* ''Literature/OneNationUnderJupiter'': Gottlieb, at least for the Roman pantheon.
* ''Literature/ArcOfFire'': Kail has concluded that it's pointless to worship any gods, since none have ever answered his prayers to them and give no indication of caring.
* ''Literature/TheTraitorSonCycle'': The Red Knight's favourite saying is "God doesn't give a f***"; hence why he doesn't worship Him unless he has to show up in a church for PR.

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* In Bernard Cornwell's ''[[Literature/TheWarlordChronicles Warlord Chronicles]]'' King Arthur doesn't dispute the existence of the gods and is technically a Mithraist [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and later, just as technically, a Christian]] but believes that men are better off taking their fate into their own hands.
* In ''Literature/WarriorCats'', ''Literature/WarriorCats'':
** After being betrayed by Tigerclaw, seeing her home destroyed in a fire and a bunch of cats dying, Bluestar goes insane and decides that [=StarClan=] is worthless and declares war on them, and also becomes the cat version of a misanthrope. She snaps out of it just in time to save Fireheart before dying.
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Mothwing starts out believing that [=StarClan=] doesn't exist; that "prophecies" are only things medicine cats knew in their subconscious that they just happened to remember in dreams. Eventually she does come to accept that [=StarClan=] exists, but she still doesn't truly "believe" in them. And she's supposed to be the religious leader of her Clan...
* In ''Literature/MidnightsChildren'', Saleem's grandfather Aadam becomes this after he mistakes Joseph D'Costa's ghost for {{God}}, as he blames God for the bad events in his life. He spends the rest of his life haranguing priests and ranting outside of mosques.
* In one of the ''Literature/ObsidianAndBlood'' novels, Acatl encounters a Nay Theist. It's worth noting that he is absolutely horrified by this, despite having personal experience of what jerkasses gods can be, and despite the Nay Theist being that way because a god did something really awful to him.
* ''Literature/OneNationUnderJupiter'': Gottlieb, at least for the Roman pantheon.
* ''Literature/ArcOfFire'': Kail has concluded that it's pointless to worship any gods, since none have ever answered his prayers to them and give no indication of caring.
* ''Literature/TheTraitorSonCycle'': The Red Knight's favourite saying is "God doesn't give a f***"; hence why he doesn't worship Him unless he has to show up in a church for PR.
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8th Dec '16 8:41:54 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/TheRapture'': Sharon becomes one [[spoiler: after her husband and daughter die]], believing that God abandoned them.
6th Dec '16 1:04:02 PM rafi
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* In the ''Manga/SaintSeiya Episode G'' manga, while not denying the existence of gods (as he is fighting them at that moment and he technically works for a goddess) Leo Aiolia states that (paraphrasing here) "The notion that mortals should bow to gods and always be defeated by them is a sad delusion created by the gods themselves" and that "they are not worthy of worship".

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* ''Anime/OccultAcademy'': "[[CatchPhrase I hate the occult!]]"
* In the ''Manga/SaintSeiya Episode G'' ''Manga/SaintSeiyaEpisodeG'' manga, while not denying the existence of gods (as he is fighting them at that moment and he technically works for a goddess) Leo Aiolia states that (paraphrasing here) "The notion that mortals should bow to gods and always be defeated by them is a sad delusion created by the gods themselves" and that "they are not worthy of worship".



* Battler from ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' is engaged in a very involved argument with a witch that he said doesn't exist. Her killing him, bringing him back to life, etc. has nothing to do with the issue. She eventually gets sneaky in her pursuit of his belief. And sadistic. Mostly sadistic. He verges somewhat into FlatEarthAtheist territory because his debate is literally over her existence - he does not, in fact, accept it. [[spoiler:Although he does swing in this direction in later arcs. At least enough to accept that Beatrice has enough of an existence to have motives]]. [[spoiler:And he switches sides when he winds up as Endless Sorcerer]].



* ''Anime/OccultAcademy'': "[[CatchPhrase I hate the occult!]]"
* Similarly, Battler from ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' is engaged in a very involved argument with a witch that he said doesn't exist. Her killing him, bringing him back to life, etc. has nothing to do with the issue. She eventually gets sneaky in her pursuit of his belief. And sadistic. Mostly sadistic. He verges somewhat into FlatEarthAtheist territory because his debate is literally over her existence - he does not, in fact, accept it. [[spoiler:Although he does swing in this direction in later arcs. At least enough to accept that Beatrice has enough of an existence to have motives]]. [[spoiler:And he switches sides when he winds up as Endless Sorcerer]].
6th Dec '16 11:46:51 AM Kakai
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* ''Literature/TheTraitorSonCycle'': The Red Knight's favourite saying is "God doesn't give a f***"; hence why he doesn't worship Him unless he has to show up in a church for PR.
30th Nov '16 6:56:41 PM Fireblood
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** ''BookOfExodus'' has the [[NefariousPharaoh Pharaoh]] behaving like this. He acknowledged the existence of God. He even went so far as to admits that he sinned, but he still refused to do what God said and let His people go. [[TooDumbToLive It doesn't end well for him]] when he attempted to chase Moses between the sea...



** Note that the last line goes as far as to claim that anyone who doesn't worship any gods (or anything that isn't the Abrahamic deity, since it supposes that everyone inherently knows that other gods are fake) must be worshiping something else by default, [[{{Narcissist}} be it themselves]], [[{{Greed}} a material element ]], [[TheHedonist or pure pleasure]]. Some real life theists actually believe this is necessarily the case for atheists, even though these three ways of living just mentioned are not a vital pillar for lack of religious belief by itself, nor a necessary consequence of it. Others have argued this does not refer to atheism, which at the time was less well known, but rather impiety.

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** Note that the last line goes as far as to claim that anyone who doesn't worship any gods (or anything that isn't the Abrahamic deity, since it supposes that everyone inherently knows that other gods are fake) must be worshiping something else by default, [[{{Narcissist}} be it themselves]], [[{{Greed}} a material element ]], [[TheHedonist or pure pleasure]]. Some real life theists actually believe this is necessarily the case for atheists, even though these three ways of living just mentioned are not a vital pillar for lack of religious belief by itself, nor a necessary consequence of it. Others have argued this does not refer to atheism, which at the time was less well known, but rather impiety.impiety or the disbelief in the Abrahamic God alone.
** ''BookOfExodus'' has the [[NefariousPharaoh Pharaoh]] behaving like this. He acknowledged the existence of God. He even went so far as to admit that he sinned, but he still refused to do what God said and let His people go. [[TooDumbToLive It doesn't end well for him]] when he attempted to chase Moses between the sea... There is also a verse saying God "hardened Pharoah's heart" to not let the Hebrews go however, so not all of it was within his control.
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