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9th Sep '17 8:14:18 AM Discar
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->''"I don't hold with paddlin' with the Occult," said Granny firmly. "Once you start paddlin' with the Occult you start believing in Spirits, and when you start believing in Spirits you start believing in Demons, and then before you know where you are you're believing in gods. And then you're in trouble."\\\
"But all them things exist," said Nanny Ogg.\\\
"That's no call to go around believing in them. It only encourages 'em."''
-->-- ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies''

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->''"I ->'''Granny Weatherwax:''' I don't hold with paddlin' with the Occult," said Granny firmly. "Once Occult. Once you start paddlin' with the Occult you start believing in Spirits, and when you start believing in Spirits you start believing in Demons, and then before you know where you are you're believing in gods. And then you're in trouble."\\\
"But
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'''Nanny Ogg:''' But
all them things exist," said Nanny Ogg.\\\
"That's
exist.\\
'''Granny Weatherwax:''' That's
no call to go around believing in them. It only encourages 'em."''
'em.
-->-- ''Discworld/LordsAndLadies''
''Literature/LordsAndLadies''
26th Aug '17 10:27:05 AM Lopiny
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* One of the three starting Creeds of ''VideoGame/SaltAndSanctuary'' is The Iron Ones, who worship no gods and instead revere the iron will of men.

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* One of the three starting Creeds of ''VideoGame/SaltAndSanctuary'' is The Iron Ones, who worship no gods and instead revere the iron will of men. And this is in a world where gods explicitly exist and grant visible miracles to their followers, especially clerics. They somehow still get miracles and even their own clerics, who lampshade this oddity but never do explain how they manage.
22nd Aug '17 3:16:52 PM Pichu-kun
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* Edward Elric of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' tells most people that he's an atheist (claiming that alchemists, being practitioners of an art based in truth and logic, don't believe in such vague concepts), but in truth he has met and has a very ''bad'' relationship with the Truth, the living embodiment of EquivalentExchange that's the closest thing to a proper "god" ever seen in the setting.[[note]] (To be fair, the Truth really doesn't seem like much of a God in the traditional sense; sure, it's ancient and almost omnipotent, but as it says to so many, 'I am what you call The World, or The Universe, or Truth, or Everything, or One, or perhaps God. But also, I am YOU.')[[/note]]

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* ''Franchise/FullmetalAlchemist'':
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Edward Elric of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' tells most people that he's an atheist (claiming that alchemists, being practitioners of an art based in truth and logic, don't believe in such vague concepts), but in truth he has met and has a very ''bad'' relationship with the Truth, the living embodiment of EquivalentExchange that's the closest thing to a proper "god" ever seen in the setting.[[note]] (To be fair, the Truth really doesn't seem like much of a God in the traditional sense; sure, it's ancient and almost omnipotent, but as it says to so many, 'I am what you call The World, or The Universe, or Truth, or Everything, or One, or perhaps God. But also, I am YOU.')[[/note]]')[[/note]]
** In the [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist 2003 anime]] Truth doesn't exist as it does in the manga. However, Edward's agnostic theism still pops up. Edward has several lines noting that, despite saying he's an atheist, he ''does'' believe in a God... He just has absolutely no interest in worshipping it.



* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', Rika has a nay-theist attitude towards [[spoiler: Hanyuu]] despite being [[spoiler: her priestess]]. Shutting a god up by force-feeding her spicy food (by proxy, it's a bit complicated) is not the most reverent act ever.
** And [[spoiler:Takano]] believes in God... if just to challenge him.
*** She also has the blessing of a witch to become a god. [[MindScrew It's complicated]].

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* In ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'', ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'':
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Rika has a nay-theist attitude towards [[spoiler: Hanyuu]] despite being [[spoiler: her priestess]]. Shutting a god up by force-feeding her spicy food (by proxy, it's a bit complicated) is not the most reverent act ever.
** And [[spoiler:Takano]] [[[spoiler:Takano]] believes in God... if just to challenge him.
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him. She also has the blessing of a witch to become a god. [[MindScrew It's complicated]].
22nd Jul '17 6:37:44 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'': The abuse [[BigBad Lex Luthor]] suffered at the hands of [[AbusiveParents his father]] led him to believe that God was either not powerful enough to stop it from happening, or [[TheGodsMustBeLazy simply didn't care]]. This is a key factor in his hatred of Superman, an actual God-like figure he can direct his anger toward.
-->'''Lex''': See, what we call God depends on our tribe, Clark Joe, 'cause God is tribal, God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations! I figured it out way back! If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good. And if he is all-good, then he cannot be all-powerful...and neither can you be.
19th Jul '17 2:13:19 PM gb00393
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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees with. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees with.with, quoting him in "Blackwater" when she says "The gods have no mercy, that's why they are gods". Along the lines of a typical HollywoodAtheist backstory, he developed this attitude after the death of his beloved wife. Tywin also views his son Tyrion, whom he intensely dislikes, as a cruel lesson by the Gods to teach him humility because Tyrion can still fly Lannister colors despite Tywin's disapproval of him. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
16th Jul '17 12:19:33 PM oforiousmic
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* Minene Uryuu, the 9th diary holder in ''Manga/MiraiNikki''. Having lost her parents at a young age to religious fighting, she's become a terrorist who only targets religions and considers God to be evil. And then one day, God answers and informs her that he wants her to participate in a game to decide his replacement... [[JerkassHasAPoint By killing MORE people]].

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* Minene Uryuu, the 9th diary holder in ''Manga/MiraiNikki''. Having lost her parents at a young age to religious fighting, she's become a terrorist who only targets religions and considers God to be evil.believes GodIsEvil. And then one day, God answers and informs her that he wants her to participate in a game to decide his replacement... [[JerkassHasAPoint By killing MORE people]].



* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the {{God|dess}}OfEvil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].

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* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the {{God|dess}}OfEvil GodOfEvil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].
16th Jul '17 12:18:12 PM oforiousmic
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* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the Goddess of Evil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].

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* In ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', Tanis Half-Elven voices the viewpoint that the "Old Gods" aren't worth the trouble of looking for and certainly don't deserve mortal reverence, even though they did once exist and granted mortals powerful healing magic. Since the [[DesignatedHero "Gods of Good"]] were instrumental in causing an Earth-ravaging cataclysm, [[{{Gotterdammerung}} stripped mortalkind of their healing magic]], and abandoned them to rot in the wasteland whilst blaming their doing so on mortals, and only came back to the world because the Goddess of Evil {{God|dess}}OfEvil was secretly trying to sneak back and conquer the world to make it exclusively her domain, it's [[StrawmanHasAPoint not that unreasonable a viewpoint, for all Weis & Hickman insist that it's a good thing that the gods came back]].
13th Jul '17 5:51:56 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and choese champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.

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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and choese choose champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.


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* ''Literature/TheDeedOfPaksenarrion'': Duke Kieri Phelan has no love for Girdsmen and their marshals, thanks to a CynicismCatalyst. However, he is never shown to be a bad person because of this in fact, his personal honor is a byword. It's not the gods' existence that he denies, he just distances himself from the church of Gird. But, as it turns out, in a world where evil gods exist and take a vested interest in human affairs, it definitely helps to have servants of Good on your side.
9th Jul '17 7:08:07 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and chose champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay-theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.

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* Creator/DavidWeber has the ''[[Literature/TheWarGods WarGod]]'' trilogy, where gods manifest and chose choese champions all the time, with almost two dozen champions of the God of Justice running around. The race of Dark Elves/Orcs Hradani haven't had a single champion since the end of the last wizard war made the entire race into nay-theists.nay theists. It's so ingrained that most of the first book is the main character, Bahzell Bahnakson, running from clerics, wizards, and the gods themselves rather than being talked into being their champion.



** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. with. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
9th Jul '17 8:49:39 AM gb00393
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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime is more of a HollywoodAtheist.

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** Cersei says her father believes in the gods, he just doesn't like them, something which she agrees on. Tyrion has much the same attitude as his father, calling the Gods vicious cunts...except for that god of tits and wine he's heard of, assuming it exists. Jaime disagrees with this, as he is more of a HollywoodAtheist.
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