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** Some saints have claimed it was the other way around. The real reason Satan rebelled was that it was made known that God's son would one day be born as a human. Lucifer was horrified at the idea of a human being outranking an angel.[[note]] He allegedly wasn't too happy about Mary, a human girl, being made the queen of angels, either. [[/note]] Viewing humans as beneath him, he refused to worship such a god. One version of events claimed Lucifer even tried to barter with God that Jesus should have been born an angel instead. Of course, this means the good angels, who were loyal to God, have this opinion of the ones who rebelled.

** Some saints have claimed it was the other way around. The real reason Satan rebelled was that it was made known that God's son would one day be born as a human. Lucifer was horrified at the idea of a human being outranking an angel.[[note]] He allegedly wasn't too happy about Christ's mother being made the queen of heaven, also outranking him, either. [[/note]] One version of events claimed Lucifer even tried to barter with God that Jesus should have been born an angel instead.

** Some saints have claimed it was the other way around. The real reason Satan rebelled was that it was made known that God's son would one day be born as a human. Lucifer was horrified at the idea of a human being outranking an angel.[[note]] He allegedly wasn't too happy about Christ's mother being made the queen of heaven, either. [[/note]] One version of events claimed Lucifer even tried to barter with God that Jesus should have been born an angel instead.

** Some saints have claimed it was the other way around. The real reason Satan rebelled was that it was made known that God's son would one day be born as a human. Lucifer was horrified at the idea of a human being outranking an angel. One version of events claimed Lucifer even tried to barter with God that Jesus should have been born an angel instead.

*** In ''Skyrim'' you can meet several [[OurElvesAreDifferent Altmer]] who openly despise the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]], the despotic StateSec ruling the re-formed [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]]. The Thalmor essentially [[StopBeingStereotypical play up the worst stereotypes of the Altmer overall]]. One is a Legate in the Imperial Legion who will readily tell you a story about dissident Altmer refugees being ambushed and slaughtered by Thalmor operatives. Another is a shopkeeper in Windhelm who offers to use her black market contacts to help smuggle the local priest and priestess of Talos out of the city should the Thalmor ever come by. Unsurprisingly, the Thalmor consider any Altmer who do not support them to [[NoTrueScotsman not be "true" Altmer]]. One group that gets hit hard with this by the Thalmor are the [[TheOrder Psijic Order]], a powerful MagicalSociety and the oldest monastic order in Tamriel. The Order and the Thalmor have an [[ArchEnemy extreme mutual hatred]] for one another. The second disappearance of Artaeum (the island home of the Psijics) in the 4th Era is believed to be directly related to the rise of Thalmor influence. The Thalmor come off as TheResenter, as the Order is an Aldmeri organization with immense magical knowledge but one that absolutely will not tow the Thalmor line or share that knowledge.

** The series was for the most part able to sidestep the need for this among the Nietzscheans, despite their name amd misunderstanding of that philosophy, as their ''actual'' "[[PlanetOfHats hat]]" was "EnlightenedSelfInterest", which could be made to justify just about any action the plot required them to take. (Turn on my friends? Sure, if it's in my long-term interest. Not turn on my friends? Sure, if I think it'll be useful for me to keep on their good side. Sacrifice my life to save the universe? Sure, if it makes me posthumously famous and gets my kids all kinds of breaks in life.) Interestingly, Gaheris Rhade, a Nietzschean in the series, was quite depressed at what a race of self-absorbed bastards his species turned out to be. In his own words, "Our people were meant to be living gods, [[WarriorPoet warrior-poets]] who roamed the stars bringing civilization, not cowards and bullies who prey on the weak and kill each other for sport."

** The series was for the most part able to sidestep the need for this among the Nietzscheans, as their "[[PlanetOfHats hat]]" was "EnlightenedSelfInterest", which could be made to justify just about any action the plot required them to take. (Turn on my friends? Sure, if it's in my long-term interest. Not turn on my friends? Sure, if I think it'll be useful for me to keep on their good side. Sacrifice my life to save the universe? Sure, if it makes me posthumously famous and gets my kids all kinds of breaks in life.) Interestingly, Gaheris Rhade, a Nietzschean in the series, was quite depressed at what a race of self-absorbed bastards his species turned out to be. In his own words, "Our people were meant to be living gods, [[WarriorPoet warrior-poets]] who roamed the stars bringing civilization, not cowards and bullies who prey on the weak and kill each other for sport."

** Cruelly subverted in chapter 6: [[spoiler:The demons there are just playing nice until their champion kills a demigod]]. Then they start murdering people instead.

* Rhunön from the ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'' is not like other elves at all. Rather than gracefully singing to plants, she works in a forge. Where most elves are polite, reserved, and evasive, she's somewhat crude, loud, and honest. In a series with ElvesVsDwarves in effect, she and Orik get along very well. In the third book, she states that she ''hates'' what the elves have become, comparing them to statues in how much emotion they show.

*** Reversed in one case with Gissur, a Nord beggar who acts as a Thalmor stool pigeon, selling information to them in exchange for coin. He thinks his fellow Nords complain too much about the Thalmor and is clearly an individual not meant to be liked or sympathised with, and would likely qualify as TooDumbToLive as the Thalmor's hostility towards all humans is established fact. Gissur will usually meet his end at the hands of the Dragonborn during the main story, usually being killed in an attempted ambush along with his Thalmor masters.

** Similarly, Raziel, the angel is antagonistic to the protagonists being an exact opposite of this trope

** Though we don't really know the circumstances about it, an undisguised changeling is invited to the wedding in "Slice of Life". They must be exceptionally trustworthy though given their species reputation at such events. [[note]][[WordOfGod According to M.A. Larson,]] his name's Kevin and he's a friend of Matilda.[[/note]]

** The episode "No Small Parts" introduce a Exocomp named Peanut Hamper. Unlike her brethen first featured in ''The Next Generation'' who were silent robots capable of empathy, intelligence and even self-sacrifice for the needs of many. Peanut Hamper is a talkative short-sighted sociopath who will gladly abandon her crew if the situation go south.
** Played with regardling T'Lyn in her introductary episode "wej Duj". While still very stoic by human standards (being a Vulcan and all), she has good instincts and likes to follow them, and chafes under the obsessive "logic" of her crewmates.

** In AllThereInTheManual, it explains that Predacons value treachery. An underling can challenge a leader for any grievance in the court of MightMakesRight. A good leader can fight off the challenge to his authority and a bad one is a victim to it. In the first episode, Dinobot does this, but Megatron sidesteps by having a flunky take care of Dinobot, which means Megatron was not honorable in combat. Dinobot later challenges Optimus and, while he does lose, Optimus won't let Dinobot die because of circumstances unrelated to their combat, endearing him. It's telling that while Dinobot's Honor does force him back to Megatron's side when Megatron is proven correct, he never directly betrays Optimus Prime, even if the pair have several heated disagreements. It's not so much that Dinobot is this trope, but rather, the rest of the Predacons are this trope to Dinobot.

** The Doctor could be seen as one of these, as well. The Time Lords were described as being bureaucratic, self-important, deriding of all other species, and hesitant to interfere with the nature of time and accidentally cause a paradox. So, the Doctor decided to go nick a TARDIS and explore the universe, later deciding to use their powers to help people. In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS23E4TheUltimateFoe "The Ultimate Foe"]], the Sixth Doctor goes on a tirade against the rest of the Time Lords, claiming that in order to fight real evil, rather than exploring the rest of the universe he should have stayed on Gallifrey and opposed the corruption that had become so prevalent among them.

* ''Literature/{{Pale}}'': Sir Toadswallow, the leader of the goblins around Kennet, is highly unusual for a goblin. Goblins are usually vulgar, gross, violent, and [[AsskickingLeadsToLeadership equate brute force with authority]]. Toadswallow, on the other hand, minds his manners and watches his speech (especially when kids are around), dresses in nice clothing (though putting nice clothes on a goblin body makes him look kind of odd), actively builds friendships and alliances with humans, and, despite being only average-sized for a goblin, has risen to a position of prominence and authority using his intelligence and people skills. He ''is'' still a goblin: he's very capable of brutality and violence when the situation calls for it, and he does still enjoy being vulgar and crude, he just knows how to reign it in and exercize self-control. Even other goblins in the story note that he's bizarrely un-goblinlike.

* ''Literature/{{Pale}}'': Sir Toadswallow, the leader of the goblins around Kennet, is highly unusual for a goblin. Goblins are usually vulgar, gross, violent, and [[AsskickingLeadsToAuthority equate brute force with authority]]. Toadswallow, on the other hand, minds his manners and watches his speech (especially when kids are around), dresses in nice clothing (though putting nice clothes on a goblin body makes him look kind of odd), actively builds friendships and alliances with humans, and, despite being only average-sized for a goblin, has risen to a position of prominence and authority using his intelligence and people skills. He ''is'' still a goblin: he's very capable of brutality and violence when the situation calls for it, and he does still enjoy being vulgar and crude, he just knows how to reign it in and exercize self-control. Even other goblins in the story note that he's bizarrely un-goblinlike.

** PlayedWith: The episode “wej Duj” features a Vulcan named T'Lyn. While still very stoic by human standards, she has good instincts and likes to follow them, and chafes under the obsessive "logic" of her crewmates.

** Urdnot Wrex of ''Franchise/MassEffect'', at first glance, appears to be another [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy typical krogan]]. However, it turns out that a long time ago, he tried to convince his people to give up their warlike tendencies and just focus on breeding and survival after their last disastrous war. He wasn't very successful, and now is just another bitter, angry krogan mercenary who signs up with Shepard for the money. Later on in the game, however, Wrex reveals that he's stayed on with Shepard for so long because he felt that by joining Shepard, he could finally fight for a cause more valuable than just credits.

* UsefulNotes/{{Islam}} has the reverse: Satan was of a different race from the angels (the jinn, whence we get "genie") made of living, smokeless fire, who like humans have free will. Satan refused to bow to Adam when God created him, cursing that God created a creature of "dirt" (Satan, being a fire creature, viewed himself as more "pure") and led most of the Jinn against God. However, many of the Jinn returned to God over time, what with prophets and their messages trickling down to wherever they reside (frequently not Hell.)[[note]]And very frequently inside your living-room wall. This is part of the reason the Qur'an's basic message about jinn is more or less "Yes, they exist, yes, they can be anywhere, now would you ''please'' stop worrying about it?"[[/note]]

* ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheEmpire: Evolution'': Most Houks are violent, surly criminals. Gorb Drig is a polite, patient diner owner who recalls how he and his son saved their money to buy the diner before his son became a casualty of "another foolish Houk war of conquest."

** The saga has always been pretty clear with its images of Mook Imperial Stormtroopers, what with them [[PlanetOfHats all wearing exactly the same suit which covers their entire body,]] [[MillionMookMarch predilection for marching in large groups,]] and [[ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy their inability to hit anything farther than five centimetres in front of their faces.]] Enter ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', and First Order Stormtrooper FN-2187, who is the first Stormtrooper in the series to have a conscience, and, horrified by being asked to slaughter a village of unarmed innocents, pulls a MookFaceTurn, saves an important prisoner, and escapes the command ship flying a stolen TIE fighter. [[spoiler:Said Stormtrooper is named Finn, and becomes a major character in the film and provides the crucial data needed to take down the First Order's home base.]]

* One can find this reflecting different cultures of humans (Alderaanians compared to Corellians) as often as different species in ''Franchise/StarWars''.
** For example, in the ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'', Winter Celchu (a childhood friend of Leia's from famously-disarmed Alderaan) quickly came to favor military action against the Empire (and there had to be ''some'' Corellian actuaries.) Not to mention that in the EU, Alderaan only disarmed in the prior twenty years or so, making taking up arms once more fairly easy (one story even has it that all their war materials were put on ships that could be called home assuming this was necessary). For a more conventional example, after the Battle of Endor, Twi'leks were tired of being seen as a species of scheming male traders and their female merchandise, and the strong warrior tradition of the species came to greater prominence as the warriors became more vocal. Finally, it's noted that species that tend more strongly to the PlanetOfHats (like the Ithorians) stay that way by kicking out troublemakers, so that members of the species encountered out in the galaxy are far more likely to be examples than those on the homeworld.
** Note that in Star Wars (EU at least) "Hats" tend to be treated more as cultural stereotypes, usually mildly to extremely offensive to the given race, depending on the nature of the race (but not necessarily the accuracy of the stereotype) - i.e. Corellians, by and large, enjoy their reputation, while Voort [=SaBingring=], the Gamorrean on Wraith Squadron, certainly does not enjoy his (though he is forced to admit that the reason he escapes his species' hat is due to being biochemically altered). Nat Secura is similarly shown to be distasteful of the attitude taken towards Twi'leks, as is Nolaa Tarkonaa (though she fits the scheming stereotype to a T).

** A key aspect of Chiss culture is their aversion to preemptive strikes. Grand Admiral Thrawn, arguably the most well-known Chiss, is a strong, outspoken advocate of this military strategy. Suffice it to say, he is exiled by his people.
*** Later books, particularly Survivor's Quest, Thrawn's former disapproving superior Formbi seems to have come around to this perspective, as well.

** This is a bit of a running theme/gag in the [[ComicBook/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Knights of the Old Republic comic]] by John Jackson Miller, as a few secondary alien characters are as opposed to their species' "hat" as can be :
*** The Moomo brothers are Ithorians, but also stupid and brutish, with one of them obsessed by explosives whereas the other has a fondness for bludgeons of all stripes.
*** Slyssk is a Trandoshan who gets nauseous at the thought of the hunt and would rather cook whatever the hunters bring back.
*** The Zeltron, a race famous for its empathetic abilities, gives us the sociopath [[spoiler: Antos Wyrick]].

* ''[[WesternAnimation/NoddysToylandAdventures Noddy]]'': While not evil, The Golliwogs from the older editions of the series enjoyed causing trouble and doing meanspirited acts. [[https://www.enidblytonsociety.co.uk/author/covers/hurrah-for-little-noddy.jpg The exception is Mr. Golly]], who runs a garage station in Toy Town and friends with Noddy and Mr. Plod. However, the Golliwogs later were replaced by The Goblins (notably Sly and Gobbo) [[BlackFace due to the gollwogs]] [[ValuesDissonance being racial stereotypes.]]

* ''Series/{{Andromeda}}'' was for the most part able to sidestep the need for this among the Nietzscheans, as their "[[PlanetOfHats hat]]" was "Enlightened self-interest", which could be made to justify just about any action the plot required them to take. (Turn on my friends? Sure, if it's in my long-term interest. Not turn on my friends? Sure, if I think it'll be useful for me to keep on their good side. Sacrifice my life to save the universe? Sure, if it makes me posthumously famous and gets my kids all kinds of breaks in life.)
** Interestingly, Gaheris Rhade, a Nietzschean in the series, was quite depressed at what a race of self-absorbed bastards his species turned out to be. In his own words, "Our people were meant to be living gods, [[WarriorPoet warrior-poets]] who roamed the stars bringing civilization, not cowards and bullies who prey on the weak and kill each other for sport."
** In a separate example from ''Series/{{Andromeda}}'', Rev Bem was a pacifist "Wayist" priest despite being a Magog, a species who are largely a [[HordeOfAlienLocusts nightmare-inducing plague on the galaxy]] and [[FaceFullOfAlienWingWong reproduce parasitically]]. Apparently the syncretic Wayist religion was actually founded by another of his race, who had a HeelFaceTurn after hearing about various faiths from the dying human he had parasitized, and it's now a fairly popular belief system in the Local Group, but very few of its current members are Magog.

** A good example would be Vir, a Centauri who is eager for social reform and uninterested in status or advancement in society while being genuinely interested in exchanging cultural ideas with other aliens. [[spoiler:He later becomes the Emperor that leads the Centauri Republic into being a valued equal member of the alliance]].
*** The Centauri courtesan slave Adira points out that not all Centauri engage in digging up dirt on others to gain leverage on friend and foe alike. Trakis, her master, a Golian who was once a slave of the Centauri himself and clearly takes sadistic pleasure in being able to legally own one, points out that such people tend to be at the lower rungs of Centauri society like her.[[note]]Londo eventually sees the error of the Centauri way, and [[ThanatosGambit engineers his own death to ensure that Vir gets the throne.]][[/note]]

* The Cylons in ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica 2003}}'' don't necessarily stand in for communists, but still exhibit a fierce collectivism, at least until two Cylons [[spoiler: Caprica Six and Boomer]] end up [[spoiler: becoming celebrities of a sort]] prompting [[spoiler: the other Cylons, or maybe just D'Anna, to try to box them]], but of course that [[spoiler: fails and ultimately leads to a cultural revolution away from total uniformity and utter hatred of humans, the two aspects of Cylon culture that Caprica and Boomer challenged.]] So, semi-subverted?

* A few friendly Kremlings have shown up in the ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry'' series, such as Klubba in ''[[VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry2DiddysKongQuest Diddy's Kong Quest]]'' who will help the player if paid, and [[IncrediblyLamePun K. Lumsy]] in ''VideoGame/DonkeyKong64'' who refused to smash the "cute monkeys" and was locked up as a result.

** Possibly because a certain miko goes around beating offenders up until they stop offending.

** Crowley seems better fit for human life as he is more civilized and always up for a good negotiation. This makes him similar to Todd from Stargate: Atlantis or Ba'al from Stargate SG-1. They're all bad but they at least give you time for a nice conversation before trying to kill you.

** Romulans are portrayed as conniving and secretive (the most notorious among them is the Tal Shiar, the Romulan SecretPolice), but there are exceptions.

** A strange example occurs in ''Enterprise''. The Vulcans are characterized not only by logic and the silencing of emotion but also by duplicity and paranoia, not unlike Romulans of earlier series. The Syrrannites are a rogue sect who strive towards the ideals of Surak, a legendary Vulcan pathfinder (in that, if Vulcans bothered with religion, he would be their Moses). The Vulcans in that series claimed to follow the teachings of Surak, but had "fallen," so to speak -- they forgot what Surak had really stood for. T'Pol says that reading Surak's works were a life-changing experience for her.

*** In the ''TNG'' episode "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS6E20Suspicions Suspicions]]", there's a Klingon scientist who has the double stigma within her society because of her profession and her gender, Klingon society being male-dominated.

** The prime example would be the Klingons. They talk a lot -- an awful lot -- about how they are a {{Proud Warrior Race|Guy}}, but virtually any actual Klingon you might meet is almost certainly little better than a street thug. The most famous Klingon, Worf, knows this better than anyone, and it really disappoints him, having idealized his species while growing up in the Federation -- and particularly because, although he could show his emotions more freely, he is otherwise already there: the ideal, moral, honorable, passionate Klingon warrior.