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26th Apr '16 3:30:42 PM pinkdalek
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* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' was created by Hironobu Sakaguchi, but Yoshinori Kitase was more influential in creating the sort of games people think of as being ''Final Fantasy''. He started as the writer of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'', went on to help write fan-favourites ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', and then oversaw the next several games as a director while allowing Kazushige Nojima to handle the writing. Even within ''VII'' alone, the ''Compilation'' entry considered by far the best (''VideoGame/CrisisCore'') was the one he was directly involved with writing, even though this was unusual for him at that point in his career.
16th Apr '16 2:48:40 PM Rubber_Lotus
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*** Before Garth Ennis came along, Creator/ChuckDixon's lengthy run on Punisher's solo title cemented the character who started out as a guest appearance in Comicbook/SpiderMan.

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*** Before Garth Ennis came along, Creator/ChuckDixon's lengthy run on Punisher's solo title cemented the character who started out as a guest appearance VillainOfTheWeek in Comicbook/SpiderMan.
11th Apr '16 5:25:42 PM JudasZala
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** Guy Gardner was originally created by John Broome and Gil Kane, but it was Joe Staton who gave him his famous costume, and Steve Englehart his well-known JerkWithAHeartOfGold characterization, which was developed further by Keith Giffen and J.M. [=DeMatteis=] during their run on ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational''.
6th Apr '16 9:43:05 PM TheEvilDrBolty
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* Paul Levitz is frequently considered this for ''ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}''. Occasionally Creator/JimShooter is cited.

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* Paul Levitz is frequently considered this for ''ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}''. Occasionally Super-Heroes}}'', as he wrote the series during its height and wrote the defining story arcs for many of the franchises's heroes and villains. Creator/JimShooter is cited.also has quite a claim, having created most of the Legin's most recognizable rogues (the Fatal Five, Dr. Regulus, Universo, Mordru) and penning the iconic Ferro Lad HeroicSacrifice that established the Legion's attention to continuity and AnyoneCanDie aspect.
2nd Apr '16 7:22:31 AM OlfinBedwere
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** When discussing who the ''best'' writer and/or director on the series was, ''Film/FridayThe13thPartVIJasonLives'' writer-director Tom [=McLoughlin=] is the generally the person who most fans point to, as ''Jason Lives'' is not only often considered the best film in the series, along with rescuing the franchise after the terrible reception of the [[Film/FridayThe13thPartVANewBeginning previous sequel]], but the "Zombie Jason" idea it introduced would set the direction for the remainder of the original series, before its eventual ContinuityReboot.
18th Mar '16 10:18:08 AM moloch
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** Dennis O'Neil and Neal Adams brought Batman back from the silly camp of the 60s (both [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks in print]] and [[Series/{{Batman}} on screen]]) to being the darker character people know him as today. They also invented the idea of Batman's RoguesGallery being Mentally Ill and introduced the Arkham Asylum setting and made Joker a murderer again starting from ''The Joker's Five Way Revenge''.

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** Dennis O'Neil and has possibly the farthest-reaching influence on the character in his long history. It was him (with artists like Neal Adams brought and Jim Aparo) who took Batman back from the silly sci-fi and camp of the 50s and 60s (both [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks in print]] and [[Series/{{Batman}} on screen]]) to being the darker character Dark Knight people know him as recognize today. They He also introduced Arkham Asylum, basically invented the idea of Batman's RoguesGallery being Mentally Ill both mentally ill and [[{{Foil}} reflections of Batman's own psyche,]] and introduced a host of new and revived villains (including Ra's Al-Ghul and Two-Face). Later, he would become the Arkham Asylum setting editor of the Batman line and made Joker a murderer again starting from ''The Joker's Five Way Revenge''. be the central creative influence on post-Crisis Batman, including editing Frank Miller's era-defining work and 90s mega-events like ''Knightfall'' and ''No Man's Land''.



** Bill Finger and Dick Sprang may have created The Riddler, but Frank Gorshin's portrayal of him on the 1960s Batman TV show is what made him a major member of Batman's RoguesGallery for years to come. Some portrayals of him have dialed back the camp, but without Gorshin's manic popularity, there would be no Riddler today. He was also the one who designed the character's now-iconic "green suit and bowler hat" look, because he hated wearing the original spandex outfit. Though Poison Ivy has been around since the 60s, before Creator/NeilGaiman's Secret Origins issue about her she had little personality beyond being a FemmeFatale. Gaiman established her plant obsession and detachment from humanity, which have endured as her defining character traits, and reworked into the film and animated versions.

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** Bill Finger and Dick Sprang may have created The Riddler, but Frank Gorshin's portrayal of him on the 1960s Batman TV show is what made him a major member of Batman's RoguesGallery for years to come. Some portrayals of him have dialed back the camp, but without Gorshin's manic popularity, there would be no Riddler today. He was also the one who designed the character's now-iconic "green suit and bowler hat" look, because he hated wearing the original spandex outfit. (And surprisingly, he also had a great influence on the portrayal of the ''Joker'' - Gorshin's split-second flips from manic laughing to hissing, homicidal determination was a major influence on the Joker's 70s character revival.)
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Though Poison Ivy has been around since the 60s, before Creator/NeilGaiman's Secret Origins issue about her she had little personality beyond being a FemmeFatale. Gaiman established her plant obsession and detachment from humanity, which have endured as her defining character traits, and reworked into the film and animated versions.
14th Mar '16 12:04:26 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''TenchiMuyo'': The many {{Alternate Universe}}s of the franchise tend to be associated with their creators. Masaki Kajishima is currently responsible for the OVA continuity, the most beloved by the fanbase; however, the mixed response to the newest set of releases has left some fans longing for Hiroki Hayashi, co-creator of the original six episodes and creator of ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld''.
** Hayashi's an interesting case. He along with Naoko Hasegawa were largely responsible for setting the tone for the first OVA releases. After they left, fans have noted a downward slide in quality in the series. It could be said that Hayashi [[HyperCompetentSidekick played]] Irvin Kershner to Kajishima's George Lucas. Whatever talent Kajishima has at creating ideas, he needs someone to keep him focused off of [[GodModeSue all powerful]] [[AuthorAvatar author avatars]] and an excessive focus on [[UnwantedHarem fanservice fantasy.]]
*** On the other hand, Hayashi is said to have had some spectacularly bad ideas for the continuation of the OVA storyline. It seems that Kajishima and Hayashi really need to work together so that each can veto the other's stupider concepts.

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* ''TenchiMuyo'': ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'': The many {{Alternate Universe}}s of the franchise tend to be associated with their creators. Masaki Kajishima is currently responsible for the OVA continuity, the most beloved by the fanbase; however, the mixed response to the newest set of releases has left some fans longing for Hiroki Hayashi, co-creator of the original six episodes and creator of ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld''.
** Hayashi's an interesting case. He
''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld''. He, along with Naoko Hasegawa Hasegawa, were largely responsible for setting the tone for the first OVA releases. After they left, fans have noted a downward slide in quality in the series. It could be said that Hayashi [[HyperCompetentSidekick played]] Irvin Kershner to Kajishima's George Lucas. Whatever talent Kajishima has at creating ideas, he needs someone to keep him focused off of [[GodModeSue all powerful]] [[AuthorAvatar author avatars]] and an excessive focus on [[UnwantedHarem fanservice fantasy.]]
*** On the other hand, Hayashi is said to have had some spectacularly bad ideas for the continuation of the OVA storyline. It seems that Kajishima and Hayashi really need to work together so that each can veto the other's stupider concepts.
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** The largest of Barksists is obviously Creator/DonRosa, who, while not exactly crying CanonDisContinuity at other duck artists, mostly only follows Barks' comics as {{Canon}}.



* The team of Marv Wolfman and Creator/GeorgePerez didn't create ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but their much-celebrated run is responsible for the title as we know it today, and is the basis of the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated version]].
** Roy Thomas is the adopted father of Golden Age DC heroes, with James Robinson, David S. Goyer and especially Creator/GeoffJohns taking over this role since the new millennium.
* Many of the characters featured in the [=Giffen=]/[=DeMatteis=] era of the ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'' were never as beloved before or since that run--so much so that the most recent ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'' series (which some consider better than most of the stories told in JLI, although Your Mileage May Vary) constantly refers back to that time, as does Justice League: Generation Lost.
* Creator/SteveDitko created ComicBook/TheQuestion as a mouthpiece for Creator/AynRand's UsefulNotes/{{Objectivism}} philosophy, but Dennis O'Neil's run on him in the 1980s is considered the definitive version of the character, a martial artist with insatiable curiosity.
** Others simply consider this groundwork for the Franchise/{{DCAU}} version. This leads to the conundrum that since the DCAU's Question is clearly inspired by [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorschach]] (who, of course, was written partly as an {{Expy}} for ComicBook/TheQuestion), one wonders whether Creator/AlanMoore is in the running for the MyRealDaddy status of a character ''he never actually wrote for''.
* Creator/ChrisClaremont is the same for ''Comicbook/XMen'', pushing it from a failed [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] idea into the Franchise/MarvelUniverse's biggest cash cow. ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can especially be considered his "baby". While the character existed long before he came along (having been introduced in the very first issue), he was, in his original form, your typical over-the-top villain ''and then some''. It was Claremont who fleshed him out into the WellIntentionedExtremist we know him as today, before bringing him through an affecting HeelFaceTurn (This turned out to be [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor the first of many, though]]). To the fans, he's known as the "Father of X(-men)".

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* The team of Marv Wolfman and Creator/GeorgePerez didn't create ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but their much-celebrated run is responsible for the title as we know it today, and is the basis of the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated version]].
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version]]. Roy Thomas is the adopted father of Golden Age DC heroes, with James Robinson, David S. Goyer and especially Creator/GeoffJohns taking over this role since the new millennium.
* Many of the characters featured in the [=Giffen=]/[=DeMatteis=] era of the ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'' were never as beloved before or since that run--so much so that the most recent ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'' series (which some consider better than most of the stories told in JLI, although Your Mileage May Vary) JLI) constantly refers back to that time, as does Justice League: Generation Lost.
* Creator/SteveDitko created ComicBook/TheQuestion as a mouthpiece for Creator/AynRand's UsefulNotes/{{Objectivism}} philosophy, but Dennis O'Neil's run on him in the 1980s is considered the definitive version of the character, a martial artist with insatiable curiosity.
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curiosity. Others simply consider this groundwork for the Franchise/{{DCAU}} version. This leads to the conundrum that since the DCAU's Question is clearly inspired by [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorschach]] (who, of course, was written partly as an {{Expy}} for ComicBook/TheQuestion), one wonders whether Creator/AlanMoore is in the running for the MyRealDaddy status of a character ''he never actually wrote for''.
* Creator/ChrisClaremont is the same for ''Comicbook/XMen'', ''ComicBook/XMen'':
** Creator/ChrisClaremont,
pushing it from a failed [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] idea into the Franchise/MarvelUniverse's biggest cash cow. ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can especially be considered his "baby". While the character existed long before he came along (having been introduced in the very first issue), he was, in his original form, your typical over-the-top villain ''and then some''. It was Claremont who fleshed him out into the WellIntentionedExtremist we know him as today, before bringing him through an affecting HeelFaceTurn (This turned out to be [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor the first of many, though]]). To the fans, he's known as the "Father of X(-men)".



*** Note that it was platonic because Storm had been artificially aged down to a prepubescent girl at the time. Also it was JimLee who first paired Gambit up with Rogue when he was artist and co-plotter of the early issues of the second X-Men series. In the first issue there's a panel showing Rogue and Gambit flirting in the Danger Room. Writer Claremont completely ignores this and has Rogue instead give some exposition on how the Danger Room works. Once Claremont left after issue 3, Lee was free to push the Gambit/Rogue romance and it continued after '''he''' left.



* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' arguably have Roy Thomas; Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby may have created the title, but Thomas created the definitive original Avengers character, ComicBook/TheVision, and two of its major recurring villains the Grim Reaper and Ultron and introduced a number of ideas, characters, and tropes to the franchise that are used to this very day. Even the 2003 redefinition by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis calls back to the Thomas era fairly often.

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* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' arguably have Roy Thomas; Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby may have created the title, but Thomas created the definitive original Avengers character, ComicBook/TheVision, and two of its major recurring villains the Grim Reaper and Ultron and introduced a number of ideas, characters, and tropes to the franchise that are used to this very day. Even the 2003 redefinition by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis calls back to the Thomas era fairly often.



* Creator/WaltSimonson's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]]. It's telling that pretty much any list of the greatest Thor stories of all time will be largely populated by stories by Simonson, who injected a sense of myth and epic (particularly the battle between Thor and Jormungandr, when the entire issue was written in epic verse) to a previously forgettable series, making Loki far more complex and interesting than his previous incarnations.

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* Creator/WaltSimonson's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]]. It's telling that pretty much any list of the greatest Thor stories of all time will be largely populated by stories by Simonson, who injected a sense of myth and epic (particularly the battle between Thor and Jormungandr, when the entire issue was written in epic verse) to a previously forgettable series, making Loki far more complex and interesting than his previous incarnations.



* While Marjorie Henderson Buell created ComicStrip/LittleLulu for the ''Saturday Evening Post'', it was John Stanley's nearly 15-year run on the Little Lulu comic books which in-arguably defined the character.

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* While Marjorie Henderson Buell created ComicStrip/LittleLulu for the ''Saturday Evening Post'', it was John Stanley's nearly 15-year run on the Little Lulu comic books which in-arguably defined the character.



* Contrary to popular belief, Jim Henson was not actually the creator of ''Series/SesameStreet'' (that honor goes to Lloyd Morisset and Joan Ganz Cooney). However, the use of his Muppet characters became arguably one of the defining elements of the show.

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* Contrary to popular belief, Jim Henson was not actually the creator of ''Series/SesameStreet'' (that honor goes to Lloyd Morisset and Joan Ganz Cooney). However, the use of his Muppet characters became arguably one of the defining elements of the show.



* Creator/ObsidianEntertainment are seen as this by quite a few ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fans, considering the company was primarily made up of former Black Isle employees.
** Creator/ChrisAvellone, in particular - even though he wasn't involved until ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', as the editor and compiler of The Fallout Bible, he's accepted by many to be the true father.
*** A large part of the reason for this is because VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} is very short and only has a couple of factions. Most of the Fallout universe concepts actually originated in Fallout 2. Fallout 1 set up the general idea for the series, but Fallout 2 took that idea and fleshed it out. Also keep in mind that there is a character in Fallout 1 named after him, so it isn't like he was a new hire for Fallout 2. He just wasn't directly working on Fallout 1 when it was in development.

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* Creator/ObsidianEntertainment are seen as this by quite a few ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fans, considering the company was primarily made up of former Black Isle employees.
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employees. Creator/ChrisAvellone, in particular - even though he wasn't involved until ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', as the editor and compiler of The Fallout Bible, he's accepted by many to be the true father.
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father. A large part of the reason for this is because VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}} ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' is very short and only has a couple of factions. Most of the Fallout ''Fallout'' universe concepts actually originated in Fallout 2. Fallout 1 ''Fallout 2''. ''Fallout 1'' set up the general idea for the series, but Fallout 2 ''Fallout 2'' took that idea and fleshed it out. Also keep in mind that there is a character in Fallout 1 ''Fallout 1'' named after him, so it isn't like he was a new hire for Fallout 2.''Fallout 2''. He just wasn't directly working on Fallout 1 when it was in development.



* With the release of ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' marking the first new game in the series since ''{{VideoGame/Metroid}}: Fusion'', creator (or technically, living co-creator) Yoshio Sakamoto has stated the RetroStudios-developed ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'' series to be more or less a SpinOff series than part of the main story. After seeing his work on ''Metroid: Other M'', many fans decided that they preferred it when Retro was in charge. The fandom is now [[BrokenBase split]] over whether Sakamoto or Retro are better caretakers of the series.
** Gunpei Yokoi also gets this as well. Though he was the creator of the series, it was ultimately Sakamoto who introduced the concept of a maze(and subsequently exploration to the series).

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* With the release of ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' marking the first new game in the series since ''{{VideoGame/Metroid}}: Fusion'', creator (or technically, ''VideoGame/MetroidFusion'', living co-creator) co-creator Yoshio Sakamoto has stated the RetroStudios-developed Creator/RetroStudios-developed ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime'' series to be more or less a SpinOff series than part of the main story. After seeing his work on ''Metroid: Other M'', many fans decided that they preferred it when Retro was in charge. The fandom is now [[BrokenBase split]] over whether Sakamoto or Retro are better caretakers of the series.
** Gunpei Yokoi also gets this as well. Though he was
series. Even without factoring the creator of ''Other M'' controversy, there's the series, it was ultimately issue of whether Sakamoto who introduced or the concept other co-creator, late Gunpei Yokoi, is the real daddy of a maze(and subsequently exploration the series: Whereas the latter conceived the franchise from its origins, the former contributed to the series). maze-like gameplay and elements.



* ''ShinMegamiTensei'' has master artist Kazuma Kaneko, whose demon designs have been used in every game of the franchise. Famous for treating ''every'' god, spirit or demon he draws with respect and care, with plenty of {{Shout Out}}s to their original mythologies.

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* ''ShinMegamiTensei'' ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' has master artist Kazuma Kaneko, whose demon designs have been used in every game of the franchise. Famous for treating ''every'' god, spirit or demon he draws with respect and care, with plenty of {{Shout Out}}s to their original mythologies.



** [[OlderThanTheyThink This is nothing new for Smash Bros. fans.]] Sonic fans were asking for Nintendo to do the same thing during Sonic's own DorkAge. With the news that Capcom is scheduled for buyout, the chance that Nintendo will gain access anyway is growing.

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** [[OlderThanTheyThink This is nothing new for Smash Bros. fans.]] Sonic * ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fans were asking for Nintendo to do the same thing during Sonic's own DorkAge. With the news that Capcom is scheduled for buyout, the chance that Nintendo will gain access anyway is growing.



* The creator of ''SilentHill'' is Keiichiro Toyama, but he left Konami immediately after finishing the first game, and has not worked on the series since. For most fans, the real papa of the franchise is Akira Yamaoka, who composed the music for every game in the series - in addition to producing a number of them - and was the only member of the games' staff to be involved with [[Film/SilentHill the movie]], as executive producer and co-composer.

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* The creator of ''SilentHill'' ''Franchise/SilentHill'' is Keiichiro Toyama, but he left Konami immediately after finishing the first game, and has not worked on the series since. For most fans, the real papa of the franchise is Akira Yamaoka, who composed the music for every game in the series - in addition to producing a number of them - and was the only member of the games' staff to be involved with [[Film/SilentHill the movie]], as executive producer and co-composer.



* Creator/CraigMcCracken ''or'' Creator/GenndyTartakovsky in regards to ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'', depending on who you ask.
** Can't we just say the show [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]]? It honestly wouldn't be the same without ''either''.
** Both [=McCracken=] and Tartakovsky, along with the less celebrated Paul Rudish, were all equally responsible for the creation and success of ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory''.
* Then there's WesternAnimation/BugsBunny. While an early version first appeared in "Porky's Hare Hunt" by Ben Hardaway and Carl Dalton, and his first "official" appearance was in "A Wild Hare" by Creator/TexAvery who went on to direct a number of vintage Bugs Bunny cartoons before moving to [[WesternAnimation/TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]], the directors who fleshed him out most were Creator/BobClampett, Creator/FrizFreleng, Creator/RobertMcKimson and perhaps most notably Creator/ChuckJones. To say nothing of the contributions of others at Termite Terrace, like writer Michael Maltese and voice actor Creator/MelBlanc. In "The Bugs Bunny Road Runner Movie", Bugs commented that, "instead of having millions of children, like your ordinary run-of-the-mill rabbit, I have several fathers."

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* Creator/CraigMcCracken ''or'' Creator/GenndyTartakovsky in regards to ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'', depending on who you ask.
** Can't we just say the show [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]]? It honestly wouldn't be the same without ''either''.
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ask. Both [=McCracken=] and Tartakovsky, along with the less celebrated Paul Rudish, were all also equally responsible for the creation and success of ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory''.
* Then there's WesternAnimation/BugsBunny.''WesternAnimation/BugsBunny''. While an early version first appeared in "Porky's Hare Hunt" by Ben Hardaway and Carl Dalton, and his first "official" appearance was in "A Wild Hare" by Creator/TexAvery who went on to direct a number of vintage Bugs Bunny cartoons before moving to [[WesternAnimation/TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]], the directors who fleshed him out most were Creator/BobClampett, Creator/FrizFreleng, Creator/RobertMcKimson and perhaps most notably Creator/ChuckJones. To say nothing of the contributions of others at Termite Terrace, like writer Michael Maltese and voice actor Creator/MelBlanc. In "The Bugs Bunny Road Runner Movie", Bugs commented that, "instead of having millions of children, like your ordinary run-of-the-mill rabbit, I have several fathers."



* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' will always belong to Creator/LaurenFaust, who has been ascribed near-godly status by the fandom. After she voluntarily stepped down to creative consultant, most fans have done their best to still turn a warm eye to the new showrunners (namely Meghan [=McCarthy=] and Jayson Thiessen), but she's still considered number one and the ultimate WordOfGod. Faust has even tried to invoke GodDoesNotOwnThisWorld. '''Repeatedly'''. The fans ''still'' regard her as the final word. Bonnie Zacherle, the creator of the ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' franchise, even gets phased out in comparison to Lauren.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' will always belong to Creator/LaurenFaust, who has been ascribed near-godly status by the fandom. After she voluntarily stepped down to creative consultant, most fans have done their best to still turn a warm eye to the new showrunners (namely Meghan [=McCarthy=] and Jayson Thiessen), but she's still considered number one and the ultimate WordOfGod. Faust has even frequently tried to invoke GodDoesNotOwnThisWorld. '''Repeatedly'''. The GodDoesNotOwnThisWorld, but the fans ''still'' regard her as the final word. Bonnie Zacherle, the creator of the ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' franchise, even gets phased out in comparison to Lauren.



* For many fans, the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' series is the only canon one, as it was the only one actually produced by the creators, Creator/ManOfActionStudios. The various sequels (WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce, Ben10UltimateAlien, Ben10Omniverse ), headed by the likes of Glen Murakami, the late Creator/DwayneMcDuffie, Matt Youngberg, and Derrick Wyatt, are shunned.
** There are also many others who prefer Murakami and [=McDuffie=]'s two entries (WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce, Ben10UltimateAlien ) into the franchise due to the DarkerAndEdgier tone and the characters aging, and were outraged when the next series (Ben10Omniverse ) fell into the hands of others and became LighterAndSofter, even when compared to the original series, not to mention DenserAndWackier than any of the previous three, and thus dissociate it.

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* For many fans, the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' series is the only canon one, as it was the only one actually produced by the creators, Creator/ManOfActionStudios. The various sequels (WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce, Ben10UltimateAlien, Ben10Omniverse ), (''WesternAnimation/WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse''), headed by the likes of Glen Murakami, the late Creator/DwayneMcDuffie, Matt Youngberg, and Derrick Wyatt, are shunned.
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shunned. There are also many others who prefer Murakami and [=McDuffie=]'s two entries (WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce, Ben10UltimateAlien ) (''Alien Force'', ''Ultimate Alien'') into the franchise due to the DarkerAndEdgier tone and the characters aging, and were outraged when the next series (Ben10Omniverse ) ''Omniverse'' fell into the hands of others and became LighterAndSofter, even LighterAndSofter (even when compared to the original series, not to mention series) and DenserAndWackier than any of the previous three, and thus dissociate it.



** Hell, anyone in the Franchise/{{DCAU}}. Most notably Creator/SusanEisenberg as Franchise/WonderWoman, Creator/CarlLumbly as ComicBook/MartianManhunter, Creator/PhilLaMarr as John Stewart and Creator/MichaelRosenbaum as [[Franchise/TheFlash Wally West]].

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** Hell, anyone in the Franchise/{{DCAU}}. Most notably Creator/SusanEisenberg as Franchise/WonderWoman, Creator/CarlLumbly as ComicBook/MartianManhunter, Creator/PhilLaMarr as John Stewart and Creator/MichaelRosenbaum as [[Franchise/TheFlash Wally West]].



* ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'': Despite originally starting out as a comic strip character, Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer made Popeye into one of the most popular cartoon characters of all time, at one point eclipsing even ''MickeyMouse''.
** Heck, in the original comic strips, Popeye wasn't even ''introduced'' until about ten years in; the focus of the first decade was Olive Oyl and her boyfriend at the time, Harold Hamgravy, with Olive's brother Castor and her parents Cole and Nana making frequent appearances. If you've ever heard of any of them (except Olive, of course), it wasn't from the cartoons.

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'': Despite originally starting out as a comic strip character, Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer made Popeye into one of the most popular cartoon characters of all time, at one point eclipsing even ''MickeyMouse''.
** Heck, in
''Mickey Mouse''. In the original comic strips, Popeye wasn't even ''introduced'' until about ten years in; the focus of the first decade was Olive Oyl and her boyfriend at the time, Harold Hamgravy, with Olive's brother Castor and her parents Cole and Nana making frequent appearances. If you've ever heard of any of them (except Olive, of course), it wasn't from the cartoons.



* WesternAnimation/WoodyWoodpecker was conceived of by Creator/WalterLantz and Ben Hardaway, and designed by animation director Alex Lovy, yet many regard the cartoons that the trio worked on in the early-mid [=1940s=] to be mediocre at best, and that it was under subsequent directors ShamusCulhane and especially Dick Lundy under whom the series ''really'' got good.
** Likewise, the original version of fellow Lantz character WesternAnimation/ChillyWilly created by director Paul J. Smith was a PaletteSwap of Woody. It was Creator/TexAvery who helped flesh out his character and concept along with creating a much more distinctive design.
* While Creator/MattGroening and Creator/JamesLBrooks get the bulk of credit for creating ''TheSimpsons'', John Ortved in his book ''The Simpsons: An Uncensored, Unauthorized History'' argues that co-developer, producer and writer Sam Simon deserves at least an equal share of the credit for making the series as good as it was. Simon worked on the series for only the first four seasons but for contractual reasons he kept receiveing credit and royalties from the show until his death from cancer in March 2015.
** Fans also credit director and animator David Silverman, who has been involved with ''The Simpsons'' since the early Tracey Ullman shorts, for establishing and refining the show's visual identity. Silverman has been responsible for handling some of the show's most unique and challenging scenes, such as Homer's chili-induced hallucinations.

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* WesternAnimation/WoodyWoodpecker ''WesternAnimation/WoodyWoodpecker'' was conceived of by Creator/WalterLantz and Ben Hardaway, and designed by animation director Alex Lovy, yet many regard the cartoons that the trio worked on in the early-mid [=1940s=] to be mediocre at best, and that it was under subsequent directors ShamusCulhane and especially Dick Lundy under whom the series ''really'' got good.
** Likewise, the * The original version of fellow Lantz character WesternAnimation/ChillyWilly ''WesternAnimation/ChillyWilly'' created by director Paul J. Smith was a PaletteSwap of Woody. It was Creator/TexAvery who helped flesh out his character and concept along with creating a much more distinctive design.
* While Creator/MattGroening and Creator/JamesLBrooks get the bulk of credit for creating ''TheSimpsons'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', John Ortved in his book ''The Simpsons: An Uncensored, Unauthorized History'' argues that co-developer, producer and writer Sam Simon deserves at least an equal share of the credit for making the series as good as it was. Simon worked on the series for only the first four seasons but for contractual reasons he kept receiveing credit and royalties from the show until his death from cancer in March 2015.
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2015. Fans also credit director and animator David Silverman, who has been involved with ''The Simpsons'' since the early Tracey Ullman shorts, for establishing and refining the show's visual identity. Silverman has been responsible for handling some of the show's most unique and challenging scenes, such as Homer's chili-induced hallucinations.



* While UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington and the other Founding Fathers played an important role in forging the United States, some tend to point to the likes of UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln and UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt as being responsible for helping make America what it is today.
** There's also a strong argument that the real creation of the United States wasn't its independence in 1776 but the adoption of the Constitution in 1789. Of course, some figures like Washington and Franklin were present for both events.

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* While UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington and the other Founding Fathers played an important role in forging the United States, some tend to point to the likes of UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln and UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt as being responsible for helping make America what it is today.
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today. There's also a strong argument that the real creation of the United States wasn't its independence in 1776 but the adoption of the Constitution in 1789. Of course, some figures like Washington and Franklin were present for both events.
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*** The creators of the ''Star Wars: The Essential Atlas'' very quickly exercised damage control and introduced a retcon that explained the massive discrepancies between Traviss' Mandalorians and the Mandalorians of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', with even more detailed rectons provided later in ''Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare''. The fact that for the most part those in charge of the continuity of the ''Star Wars'' franchise are waiting for the animated series to end before introducing retcons to fix canon and revising the Clone Wars timeline, but very quickly provided explanations for the Mandalorian contradiction, speaks volumes of how much Traviss' take on the Mandalorians, controversial though it is, has become popular.

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*** The creators of the ''Star Wars: The Essential Atlas'' very quickly exercised damage control and introduced a retcon that explained the massive discrepancies between Traviss' Mandalorians and the Mandalorians of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', with even more detailed rectons provided later in ''Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare''. The fact that for the most part those in charge of the continuity of the ''Star Wars'' franchise are waiting for the animated series to end before introducing retcons to fix canon and revising the Clone Wars timeline, but very quickly provided explanations for the Mandalorian contradiction, speaks volumes of how much Traviss' take on the Mandalorians, controversial though it is, has become popular. And eventually, ''The Clone Wars'' had Death Watch, a militant Mandalorian faction that Traviss had invented, seize power on Mandalore anyway.
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* ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey was created by Jordan B. Gorfinkel, but is primarily associated with Creator/GailSimone. She pulled the series out of the nosedive caused by Creator/ChuckDixon's departure and used it to make ComicBook/BlackCanary, ComicBook/{{Huntress}} and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} Oracle]] three of the most well-developed heroines ever.

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* ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey was created by Jordan B. Gorfinkel, but is primarily associated with Creator/GailSimone. She pulled the series out of the nosedive caused by Creator/ChuckDixon's departure and used it to make ComicBook/BlackCanary, ComicBook/{{Huntress}} and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} Oracle]] three of the most well-developed heroines ever. In particular, Simone is ''the'' reason fans tend to like Barbara Gordon better as Oracle than as Batgirl.



** Creator/BruceTimm [[Franchise/{{DCAU}} and co.]] can be considered this for John Stewart.

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** Creator/BruceTimm [[Franchise/{{DCAU}} and co.]] can be considered this for John Stewart. Prior to their handling of him, John probably wasn't even in the top 10 of characters a fan would think of when "Green Lantern" was mentioned.



* ComicBook/{{Nova}} was a forgotten B-list hero before Creator/DanAbnett and Andy Lanning ([=DnA=]) took over the character for the original ''Comicbook/{{Annihilation}}'' crossover. They effectively transformed what was a Franchise/GreenLantern {{expy}} into a deep and interesting character, taking him from guilt-ridden survivor all the way to becoming a grizzled war veteran and even later on the social conscience and oftentimes OnlySaneMan of the cosmic side of the Marvel universe.

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* ComicBook/{{Nova}} was a forgotten B-list (at best) hero before Creator/DanAbnett and Andy Lanning ([=DnA=]) took over the character for the original ''Comicbook/{{Annihilation}}'' crossover. They effectively transformed what was a Franchise/GreenLantern {{expy}} into a deep and interesting character, taking him from guilt-ridden survivor all the way to becoming a grizzled war veteran and even later on the social conscience and oftentimes OnlySaneMan of the cosmic side of the Marvel universe.
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** Fabian Nicieza distinguished Wade from Deathstroke by giving him a cruelly ironic origin story, a sidekick, Weasel, and a sense of humour that quickly made him popular enough to support a regular series written by Joe Kelly. (This was practically a habit for Nicieza, who fleshed out other Liefeld character designs into lasting characters, including Comicbook/{{Cable}}, Shatterstar and Domino.)

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** Fabian Nicieza distinguished Wade from Deathstroke by giving him a cruelly ironic origin story, a sidekick, Weasel, and a sense of humour that quickly made him popular enough to support a regular series written by Joe Kelly. He also greatly expanded on the one non-Expy trait Liefeld had given Deadpool, his MotorMouth tendencies, into the constantly-wisecracking occassionally-HeroicComedicSociopath we all know and love. (This was practically a habit for Nicieza, who fleshed out other Liefeld character designs into lasting characters, including Comicbook/{{Cable}}, Shatterstar and Domino.)
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