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23rd Jul '17 5:09:00 PM BattleMaster
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** On the other hand, some D&D material averts this trope. For example, one ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' novel states that the reason behind the Realms' FantasyGunControl is because magical resistances are all-encompassing. It doesn't matter if you're throwing a stone, firing a bow & arrow, or blazing away with a [[GatlingGood Vulcan mini-gun]], if there's no magical basis to it, then it won't even scratch someone under the effect of a Protection From Normal Missiles spell.

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** On the other hand, some D&D material averts this trope. For example, one ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' novel states that the reason behind the Realms' FantasyGunControl is because magical resistances are all-encompassing. It doesn't matter if you're throwing a stone, firing a bow & arrow, or blazing away with a [[GatlingGood Vulcan mini-gun]], if there's no magical basis to it, then it won't even scratch someone under the effect of a Protection From Normal Missiles spell.spell, though this only applied to older versions of the game and also ignores weapons like grenades, as explosive and fire attacks have always been away to bypass such effects.
18th Jul '17 12:23:17 PM Rhodes7
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* ''Literature/TheInfected'' while Infected by definition have superpowers, 90% of them either have no combat applications, or are significantly less dangerous than a trained soldier with a gun, and even those who ''can'' drop hundreds of people can benefit from good old-fashioned PT and weapons training.
18th Jul '17 6:25:59 AM UglyPanda
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** In "Innocence," the Judge is poised to [[ApocalypseHow destroy the world.]] The Judge is an ancient demon that it had previously taken an entire army to defeat because "no weapon forged can stop him". Buffy shoots him with a rocket launcher. To be fair, it didn't kill him. But he previously spent hundreds of years as a few large pieces and will spend a few hundred as hundreds of little pieces. (He didn't even know what the weapon was. His minions, however, certainly ''did'', and [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere ran the other way - fast]].)

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** In "Innocence," the Judge is poised to [[ApocalypseHow destroy the world.]] The Judge is an ancient demon that it had previously taken an entire army to defeat because "no weapon forged can stop kill him". Buffy shoots him with a rocket launcher. To be fair, it didn't kill him. But he previously spent hundreds of years as a few large pieces and will spend a few hundred as hundreds of little pieces. (He didn't even know what the weapon was. His minions, however, certainly ''did'', and [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere ran the other way - fast]].)
18th Jul '17 6:19:07 AM UglyPanda
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** In "Innocence," the Judge is poised to [[ApocalypseHow destroy the world.]] The Judge is an ancient demon that it had previously taken an entire army to defeat because "no weapon forged can kill him". Buffy shoots him with a rocket launcher. No more Judge. (He didn't even know what the weapon was. His minions, however, certainly ''did'', and [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere ran the other way - fast]].)
*** Really a case of ExactWords since rocket launchers aren't technically "forged" weapons. Rolled, stamped, cast and welded, yes. Forged, no.

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** In "Innocence," the Judge is poised to [[ApocalypseHow destroy the world.]] The Judge is an ancient demon that it had previously taken an entire army to defeat because "no weapon forged can kill stop him". Buffy shoots him with a rocket launcher. No more Judge.To be fair, it didn't kill him. But he previously spent hundreds of years as a few large pieces and will spend a few hundred as hundreds of little pieces. (He didn't even know what the weapon was. His minions, however, certainly ''did'', and [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere ran the other way - fast]].)
*** Really a case of ExactWords since rocket launchers aren't technically "forged" weapons. Rolled, stamped, cast and welded, yes. Forged, no.
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16th Jul '17 10:54:47 AM nombretomado
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** In fact, almost all of Ids games include some elements of this. VideoGame/{{Doom}}'s demonic invasion was basically slaughtered by one man using human made fire power, shotgun, rocket launcher, chainsaw, and BFG. VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein|2009}} remake had most of the interdimensional beings able to be killed by WW2 era machine guns.

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** In fact, almost all of Ids games include some elements of this. VideoGame/{{Doom}}'s demonic invasion was basically slaughtered by one man using human made fire power, shotgun, rocket launcher, chainsaw, and BFG. VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein|2009}} remake had most of the interdimensional beings able to be killed by WW2 [=WW2=] era machine guns.
16th Jul '17 10:54:39 AM nombretomado
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* ''Literature/MonsterHunterInternational'': Five of the seven master vampires (super-powerful vampires that are more dangerous than even normal ones) aiding [[spoiler:Lord Machado]] are contemptuously dismissive of the titular team they face in spite of warnings from the other two more recent conversions to master vampire, one of them [[spoiler:a former MHI member who's very familiar with the ability of human devices thanks to regularly using them when part of the company]], and the other [[spoiler:a Nazi soldier from WW2]]. They walk into a blizzard of Hunter gunfire as the humans open up with belt-fed grenade launchers, rockets, and 81mm mortars. The five pay for their arrogance and ignorance with their (undead) lives.

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* ''Literature/MonsterHunterInternational'': Five of the seven master vampires (super-powerful vampires that are more dangerous than even normal ones) aiding [[spoiler:Lord Machado]] are contemptuously dismissive of the titular team they face in spite of warnings from the other two more recent conversions to master vampire, one of them [[spoiler:a former MHI member who's very familiar with the ability of human devices thanks to regularly using them when part of the company]], and the other [[spoiler:a Nazi soldier from WW2]].[=WW2=]]]. They walk into a blizzard of Hunter gunfire as the humans open up with belt-fed grenade launchers, rockets, and 81mm mortars. The five pay for their arrogance and ignorance with their (undead) lives.
9th Jul '17 3:44:59 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4571312/1/The_bBook_b_of_bDobby_b_Per_Arcana_ad_Astra The Book of Dobby]]'', by Creator/DogheadThirteen, focuses on Harry fighting the Death Eaters with WorldWarII era bomber and fighter planes. Of course, he's basically going MagiTek, what with the dragon-hide coatings and the de-ruster spells and so forth, but it's the same idea.

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* ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4571312/1/The_bBook_b_of_bDobby_b_Per_Arcana_ad_Astra The Book of Dobby]]'', by Creator/DogheadThirteen, focuses on Harry fighting the Death Eaters with WorldWarII era UsefulNotes/WorldWarII-era bomber and fighter planes. Of course, he's basically going MagiTek, what with the dragon-hide coatings and the de-ruster spells and so forth, but it's the same idea.



** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it ''better''' and more 'Muggles do it quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if people think about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, ''The Quiescent'', whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.

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** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it ''better''' and more 'Muggles do it quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if people think about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, ''The Quiescent'', whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.



* The SealedEvilInACan in ''VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein'' was sealed because he was impossible to kill in his era, by mundane means or magic. Turns out perfectly ordinary WorldWarII-era guns -- and some less ordinary ones -- do the job just fine. He's not even a PuzzleBoss, [[DamageSpongeBoss it just takes a LOT of firepower to finally bring him down]].

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* The SealedEvilInACan in ''VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein'' was sealed because he was impossible to kill in his era, by mundane means or magic. Turns out perfectly ordinary WorldWarII-era UsefulNotes/WorldWarII-era guns -- and some less ordinary ones -- do the job just fine. He's not even a PuzzleBoss, [[DamageSpongeBoss it just takes a LOT of firepower to finally bring him down]].
3rd Jul '17 4:39:18 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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3rd Jul '17 4:39:07 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* "''Webcomic/Homestuck'' has this in a pretty big way. The trolls are a race with technology that far surpasses ours, are more durable, stronger and faster, and some of them even have psychic powers. The first set of players [[spoiler: (the Beforan trolls)]] failed miserably due to teen drama and being wholly unprepared to take on Sgrub, so [[spoiler: [[TheDragon Doctor Scratch]] conditioned the post-scratch troll race, molding [[CrapsackWorld Alternia]] and the trolls into the psychotic, bloodthirsty and violent race that they are so that they are ready to take on Sgrub. ]] It mostly works, with the second set of players [[spoiler: (the Alternian trolls)]] succeeding in beating the game and [[spoiler: creating a viable universe in the form of Bilious Slick, which is the universe that the beta kids hail from.]] Then, we have our four humans, ordinary everyday kids without any special powers. Although they have a bit of a rough start, they quickly blitz through the game, [[spoiler: with all four reaching god tier, Jade and Dave creating a viable Genesis tadpole that isn't inherently flawed like Bilious Slick, John retrieving the Tumor from the battlefield, the Scratch being initiated and ALL FOUR players escaping the scratch successfully.]] And it's implied that they did all this [[spoiler: IN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS.]]

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* "''Webcomic/Homestuck'' ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has this in a pretty big way. The trolls are a race with technology that far surpasses ours, are more durable, stronger and faster, and some of them even have psychic powers. The first set of players [[spoiler: (the Beforan trolls)]] failed miserably due to teen drama and being wholly unprepared to take on Sgrub, so [[spoiler: [[TheDragon Doctor Scratch]] conditioned the post-scratch troll race, molding [[CrapsackWorld Alternia]] and the trolls into the psychotic, bloodthirsty and violent race that they are so that they are ready to take on Sgrub. ]] It mostly works, with the second set of players [[spoiler: (the Alternian trolls)]] succeeding in beating the game and [[spoiler: creating a viable universe in the form of Bilious Slick, which is the universe that the beta kids hail from.]] Then, we have our four humans, ordinary everyday kids without any special powers. Although they have a bit of a rough start, they quickly blitz through the game, [[spoiler: with all four reaching god tier, Jade and Dave creating a viable Genesis tadpole that isn't inherently flawed like Bilious Slick, John retrieving the Tumor from the battlefield, the Scratch being initiated and ALL FOUR players escaping the scratch successfully.]] And it's implied that they did all this [[spoiler: IN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS.]]
3rd Jul '17 4:28:45 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** In "Innocence," the Judge is poised to [[ApocalypseHow destroy the world.]] The Judge is an ancient demon that it had previously taken an entire army to defeat because "no weapon forged can kill him". Buffy shoots him with a rocket launcher. No more Judge. (He didn't even know what the weapon was. His minions, however, certainly ''did'', and [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere ran the other way - fast.)]]

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** In "Innocence," the Judge is poised to [[ApocalypseHow destroy the world.]] The Judge is an ancient demon that it had previously taken an entire army to defeat because "no weapon forged can kill him". Buffy shoots him with a rocket launcher. No more Judge. (He didn't even know what the weapon was. His minions, however, certainly ''did'', and [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere ran the other way - fast.)]]fast]].)
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