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21st May '16 12:22:25 PM erforce
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* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'': the title characters are [[ScienceHero Science Heroes]] who take on ghosts and extraplanar creatures.
** In their first movie, they avert the invasion of the plane-hopping conqueror Gozer the Traveler using FantasticScience in the form of four unlicensed nuclear accelerators.
** In their second movie, the judicious use of the scientific method and cassette tapes of [[ThePowerOfLove upbeat rock music]] turn the BigBad's slimy energy source against him.

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* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'': ''Franchise/{{Ghostbusters}}'': the title characters are [[ScienceHero Science Heroes]] who take on ghosts and extraplanar creatures.
** In their [[Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}} first movie, movie]], they avert the invasion of the plane-hopping conqueror Gozer the Traveler using FantasticScience in the form of four unlicensed nuclear accelerators.
** In their [[Film/GhostbustersII second movie, movie]]], the judicious use of the scientific method and cassette tapes of [[ThePowerOfLove upbeat rock music]] turn the BigBad's slimy energy source against him.



** This is played with in the episode "The Collect Call of Cathulhu" (Yes, [[TyopOnTheCover the name is misspelled]], something that the DVD collection even commented on.) Normally, muggles ''cannot'' face Cthulhu itself without being driven insane. However, the Ghostbusters were somehow able to do so. WordOfGod suggested that this was because they faced horrifying monsters on a regular basis, and the beast really wasn't ''that'' much worse by comparison.

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** This is played with in the episode "The Collect Call of Cathulhu" Cthulhu" (Yes, [[TyopOnTheCover the name is misspelled]], something that the DVD collection even commented on.) Normally, muggles ''cannot'' face Cthulhu itself without being driven insane. However, the Ghostbusters were somehow able to do so. WordOfGod suggested that this was because they faced horrifying monsters on a regular basis, and the beast really wasn't ''that'' much worse by comparison.
20th May '16 1:42:06 PM REV6Pilot
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* The SealedEvilInACan in ''VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein'' was sealed because he was impossible to kill in his era, by mundane means or magic. Turns out perfectly ordinary WorldWarII-era guns -- and some less ordinary ones -- do the job just fine. He's not even a PuzzleBoss -- it just takes a ''lot'' of firepower to finally bring him down.

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* The SealedEvilInACan in ''VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein'' was sealed because he was impossible to kill in his era, by mundane means or magic. Turns out perfectly ordinary WorldWarII-era guns -- and some less ordinary ones -- do the job just fine. He's not even a PuzzleBoss -- PuzzleBoss, [[DamageSpongeBoss it just takes a ''lot'' LOT of firepower to finally bring him down.down]].
18th May '16 2:19:47 PM AdelePotter
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* The ''Literature/HarryPotter'' fanfic "[[http://archiveofourown.org/works/6894757 THERMOS!]], [[EitherOrTitle or]], [[OverlyLongTitle How a Muggle-Born Brought a New Age of Spell-Making to Hogwarts (Entirely by Accident)]]" explores this, featuring a Muggle-born witch that, well, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin does just that]], starting when her Pureblood friend is baffled by how her thermos manages to keep her drinks warm all day.
13th May '16 4:28:26 AM StClair
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*** The last time a Wizard found a way around the tech limits resulted in one guy and a couple of apprentices running the entire world almost by himself ... since he was a necromancer, the end result was the first world war, which was to the magical world something so much worse than both world wars combined were to the mundane world that most of a decade of history is just missing outright. Mind control was the word around used to allow the use of Muggle weaponry.

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*** The last time a Wizard found a way around the tech limits resulted in one guy limits, he and a couple of apprentices almost ended up running the entire world almost by himself ... since world. Since he was a necromancer, the end result was the first world war, World War, which was to the magical world something so much worse than both world wars combined World Wars ''combined'' were to the mundane world that most of a decade of history is just missing outright. Mind control was the word around used to allow the use of Muggle weaponry.has been deliberately and thoroughly forgotten/suppressed.
13th May '16 4:16:12 AM StClair
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*** ''Pottermore'' reveals that the one area where Muggles have wizards beat is transporation. Only the most vehement anti-Muggle wizards will attempt to deny that the automobile and train are excellent modes of transport that really have no magical peer, which is why Hogwarts students travel to the school by train, why the Ministry owns a fleet of cars and why the Knight Bus exists.
*** ''Literature/TheTalesOfBeedleTheBard'' contains some of Dumbledore's reflections on [[BurnTheWitch medieval witch hunts]], indirectly proving that Muggles Do It Better if wizards aren't using their brains. He notes that when the inquisition came knocking, not everyone who was arrested was a muggle, and not every captured wizard was able to effortlessly spirit themself away. TheMasquerade began for a very good reason -- as a result, the muggles have never really had (or wanted) an answer for it.

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*** ''Pottermore'' reveals that the one area where Muggles have wizards beat is transporation.transportation. Only the most vehement anti-Muggle wizards will attempt to deny that the automobile and train are excellent modes of transport that really have no magical peer, which is why Hogwarts students travel to the school by train, why the Ministry owns a fleet of cars and why the Knight Bus exists.
*** ''Literature/TheTalesOfBeedleTheBard'' contains some of Dumbledore's reflections on [[BurnTheWitch medieval witch hunts]], indirectly proving that Muggles Do It Better if wizards aren't using their brains. He notes that when the inquisition Inquisition came knocking, not everyone who was arrested was a muggle, and not every captured wizard was able to effortlessly spirit themself away. TheMasquerade began for a very good reason -- as a result, the muggles have never really had (or wanted) an answer for it.
2nd May '16 1:59:38 PM Grobi
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** HK-47 has a lengthy discussion with the Exile in the second game on how best to kill Jedi (if you earn enough Influence to unlock it). He particularly notes about how Jedi don't like to fight at range but, at the same time, can deflect regular blasters. SensoryOverload is the recommended tactic, because Jedi can't deflect it or isolate themselves from it in battle.

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** HK-47 has a lengthy discussion with the Exile in [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords the second game game]] on how best to kill Jedi (if you earn enough Influence to unlock it). He particularly notes about how Jedi don't like to fight at range but, at the same time, can deflect regular blasters. SensoryOverload is the recommended tactic, because Jedi can't deflect it or isolate themselves from it in battle.
22nd Apr '16 6:36:06 PM AtticusOmundson
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* In ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'', Saitama is a former salaryman who relentlessly trained his body to be at the peak of human performance. The namesake of the series, Saitama is able to inflict {{One Hit Kill}}s on all sorts of supervillains. That being said, ''One-Punch Man'' is also something of a parody of this trope, as Saitama's strength is far beyond what is logically feasible for humans, and the amount of training he does is at a level some people in real life do without being able to effortlessly kill supers in one punch.

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* In ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'', Saitama is a former salaryman who relentlessly trained his body to be at the peak of human performance. The namesake of the series, Saitama is able to inflict {{One Hit Kill}}s on all sorts of supervillains. That being said, ''One-Punch Man'' is also something of a parody of this trope, as Saitama's strength is far beyond what is logically feasible for humans, and the amount of training he does is at a level some people in real life do without being able to effortlessly kill supers in one punch. This is somewhat explained in that it wasn't merely Saitama's training, but his ''[[HeroicWillpower willpower]]'' in relentlessly striving to become the strongest hero in the universe that ended up [[ExplosiveOverclocking breaking]] his [[PowerLimiter God Limiter]] and allowing him to kill anything with a single punch.
19th Apr '16 1:36:37 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives muggles insane''. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually affect the world around them in any major, meaningful way: this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.

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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' untalented Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives [[GoMadFromtheRevelation drives muggles insane''. insane]]. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic.[[AntiMagic destroys magic]]. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' soul unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually [[ReedRichardsIsUseless affect the world world]] around them in any major, meaningful way: [[BlessedWithSuck this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.Mage]].
19th Apr '16 9:38:16 AM FordPrefect
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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives muggles insane''. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually effect the world around them in any major, meaningful way: this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.

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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives muggles insane''. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually effect affect the world around them in any major, meaningful way: this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.
19th Apr '16 9:35:53 AM FordPrefect
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** Defied in the special episode ''Dreamland'', when the Doctor tries to warn [[GeneralRipper Colonel Stark]] about the most likely betrayal of his [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Viperox]] allies. Stark immediatly points out how absurd it seems that a "an army a giant cockroaches" could defeat tanks and planes, but the Doctor replies by revealing the Viperox once defeated an alien species whose technology was ''1000 years ahead'' of Earth's. When Stark later pull a HeelFaceTurn, his forces indeed prove uneffective against the Viperox.

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** Defied in the special episode ''Dreamland'', when the Doctor tries to warn [[GeneralRipper Colonel Stark]] about the most likely betrayal of his [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Viperox]] allies. Stark immediatly points out how absurd it seems that a "an army a giant cockroaches" could defeat tanks and planes, but the Doctor replies by revealing the Viperox once defeated an alien species whose technology was ''1000 years ahead'' of Earth's. When Stark later pull pulls a HeelFaceTurn, his forces indeed prove uneffective against the Viperox.
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