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22nd Apr '16 6:36:06 PM AtticusOmundson
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* In ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'', Saitama is a former salaryman who relentlessly trained his body to be at the peak of human performance. The namesake of the series, Saitama is able to inflict {{One Hit Kill}}s on all sorts of supervillains. That being said, ''One-Punch Man'' is also something of a parody of this trope, as Saitama's strength is far beyond what is logically feasible for humans, and the amount of training he does is at a level some people in real life do without being able to effortlessly kill supers in one punch.

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* In ''Webcomic/OnePunchMan'', Saitama is a former salaryman who relentlessly trained his body to be at the peak of human performance. The namesake of the series, Saitama is able to inflict {{One Hit Kill}}s on all sorts of supervillains. That being said, ''One-Punch Man'' is also something of a parody of this trope, as Saitama's strength is far beyond what is logically feasible for humans, and the amount of training he does is at a level some people in real life do without being able to effortlessly kill supers in one punch. This is somewhat explained in that it wasn't merely Saitama's training, but his ''[[HeroicWillpower willpower]]'' in relentlessly striving to become the strongest hero in the universe that ended up [[ExplosiveOverclocking breaking]] his [[PowerLimiter God Limiter]] and allowing him to kill anything with a single punch.
19th Apr '16 1:36:37 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives muggles insane''. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually affect the world around them in any major, meaningful way: this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.

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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' untalented Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives [[GoMadFromtheRevelation drives muggles insane''. insane]]. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic.[[AntiMagic destroys magic]]. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' soul unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually [[ReedRichardsIsUseless affect the world world]] around them in any major, meaningful way: [[BlessedWithSuck this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.Mage]].
19th Apr '16 9:38:16 AM FordPrefect
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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives muggles insane''. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually effect the world around them in any major, meaningful way: this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.

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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly ''undertalented'' Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, or feed an entire village singlehandedly, or fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic ''drives muggles insane''. The second? Observation by a muggle ''destroys'' magic. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very ''soul'' unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually effect affect the world around them in any major, meaningful way: this is some of the true horror of being a Mage.
19th Apr '16 9:35:53 AM FordPrefect
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** Defied in the special episode ''Dreamland'', when the Doctor tries to warn [[GeneralRipper Colonel Stark]] about the most likely betrayal of his [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Viperox]] allies. Stark immediatly points out how absurd it seems that a "an army a giant cockroaches" could defeat tanks and planes, but the Doctor replies by revealing the Viperox once defeated an alien species whose technology was ''1000 years ahead'' of Earth's. When Stark later pull a HeelFaceTurn, his forces indeed prove uneffective against the Viperox.

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** Defied in the special episode ''Dreamland'', when the Doctor tries to warn [[GeneralRipper Colonel Stark]] about the most likely betrayal of his [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Viperox]] allies. Stark immediatly points out how absurd it seems that a "an army a giant cockroaches" could defeat tanks and planes, but the Doctor replies by revealing the Viperox once defeated an alien species whose technology was ''1000 years ahead'' of Earth's. When Stark later pull pulls a HeelFaceTurn, his forces indeed prove uneffective against the Viperox.
19th Apr '16 9:35:08 AM FordPrefect
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' (Seventh Doctor) episode "Battlefield" retired Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart kills the [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] by simply walking up and shooting it in the chest with silver bullets.
** The reason The Brigadier had silver bullets was because when the Doctor had earlier warned him that the enemies he was facing were immune to bullets, the Brigadier pointed out that his troops were using armor piercing bullets, and then explained how the Unit armory was well stocked in a wide variety of bullets to deal with any of the aliens they'd faced. Then the Doctor asked about silver bullets, and right after he left The Brigadier showed enough GenreSavvy to immediately call up the armory to send over a case of silver bullets.

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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' (Seventh Doctor) episode "Battlefield" "Battlefield", retired Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart kills the [[BigBad Destroyer Of Worlds]] by simply walking up and shooting it in the chest with silver bullets.
** The reason The Brigadier had silver bullets was because when the Doctor had earlier warned him that the enemies he was facing were immune to bullets, the Brigadier pointed out that his troops were using armor piercing bullets, and then explained how the Unit UNIT armory was well stocked in a wide variety of bullets to deal with any of the aliens they'd faced. Then the Doctor asked about silver bullets, and right after he left The Brigadier showed enough GenreSavvy to immediately call up the armory to send over a case of silver bullets.
19th Apr '16 9:32:55 AM FordPrefect
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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' periodically showed that even the most {{Badass}} of supernatural beasties could be taken down with [[RealLife real world]] firepower. While it's shown that guns can't kill vampires, they do "hurt like hell," and most other monsters have no such immunity, and even Buffy was once almost killed by an ordinary guy with a handgun. Most fights were still superpowered slugfests, since the [[WeirdnessCensor self-imposed]] {{Masquerade}} kept the police or military from getting involved in the plot much, and the MainCharacters could only occasionally get their hands on post-medieval weaponry. This got a little wonky in Season 4 and beyond, though, when the government ''did'' get involved, equipping a lot of {{Muggle}} soldiers with hi-tech weapons and sending them off to fight demons, but how successful this actually was tended to vary by episode. One of Joss Whedon's ideas for the season was "magic vs. science, magic kicks ass", which was proved by the CurbStompBattle in the penultimate episode, but up until the BigBad made his move, it was largely back and forth.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' periodically showed that even the most {{Badass}} of supernatural beasties could be taken down with [[RealLife real world]] firepower. While it's shown that guns can't kill vampires, they do "hurt like hell," and most other monsters have no such immunity, and even Buffy was once almost killed by an ordinary guy with a handgun. Most fights were still superpowered slugfests, since the [[WeirdnessCensor self-imposed]] {{Masquerade}} kept the police or military from getting involved in the plot much, and the MainCharacters could only occasionally get their hands on post-medieval weaponry. This got a little wonky in Season 4 and beyond, though, when the government ''did'' get involved, equipping a lot of {{Muggle}} soldiers with hi-tech weapons and sending them off to fight demons, but demons; how successful this actually was tended to vary by episode. One of Joss Whedon's ideas for the season was "magic vs. science, magic kicks ass", which was proved by the CurbStompBattle in the penultimate episode, but up until the BigBad made his move, it was largely back and forth.



** Mayor Wilkins, the BigBad of Season 3, spent a hundred years making deals with demons in order to become [[ScaledUp the gigantic snake demon Olvikan]] and take over the town of Sunnydale, and possibly the world after that. Once he finally becomes a demon, he finds his vampire army being defeated by a bunch of [[OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent Ordinary High School Students]] armed with arrows, stakes, and a couple flamethrowers, and he himself is taken down by some strategically placed dynamite.
** The setting is full of monsters and vampires that were previously defeated or placed in their can by ordinary non-magical humans with medieval or older technology and numbers on their side.

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** Mayor Wilkins, the BigBad of Season 3, spent a hundred years making deals with demons in order to become [[ScaledUp the gigantic snake demon Olvikan]] and take over the town of Sunnydale, and possibly the world after that. Once he finally becomes a demon, he finds his vampire army being defeated by a bunch of [[OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent Ordinary {{Ordinary High School Students]] Student}}s armed with arrows, stakes, and a couple flamethrowers, and he himself is taken down by some strategically placed dynamite.
** The setting is full of monsters and vampires that were previously defeated or placed in their can [[SealedEvilInACan can]] by ordinary non-magical humans with medieval or older technology and numbers on their side.
19th Apr '16 9:30:52 AM FordPrefect
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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' periodically showed that even the most {{Badass}} of supernatural beasties could be taken down with [[RealLife real world]] firepower. While it's shown that guns can't kill vampires, they do "hurt like hell," and most other monsters have no such immunity, and even Buffy was once almost killed by an ordinary guy with a handgun. Since the [[WeirdnessCensor self-imposed]] {{Masquerade}} kept the police or military from getting involved in the plot much, and the MainCharacters could only occasionally get their hands on post-medieval weaponry, this didn't stop most fights from being superpowered slug fests. This got a little wonky in Season 4 and beyond, though, when the government ''did'' get involved, equipping a lot of {{Muggle}} soldiers with hi-tech weapons and sending them off to fight demons, but how successful this actually was tended to vary by episode. One of Joss Whedon's ideas for the season was "magic vs. science, magic kicks ass", which was proved by the CurbStompBattle in the penultimate episode, but up until the BigBad made his move, it was largely back and forth.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' periodically showed that even the most {{Badass}} of supernatural beasties could be taken down with [[RealLife real world]] firepower. While it's shown that guns can't kill vampires, they do "hurt like hell," and most other monsters have no such immunity, and even Buffy was once almost killed by an ordinary guy with a handgun. Since Most fights were still superpowered slugfests, since the [[WeirdnessCensor self-imposed]] {{Masquerade}} kept the police or military from getting involved in the plot much, and the MainCharacters could only occasionally get their hands on post-medieval weaponry, this didn't stop most fights from being superpowered slug fests.weaponry. This got a little wonky in Season 4 and beyond, though, when the government ''did'' get involved, equipping a lot of {{Muggle}} soldiers with hi-tech weapons and sending them off to fight demons, but how successful this actually was tended to vary by episode. One of Joss Whedon's ideas for the season was "magic vs. science, magic kicks ass", which was proved by the CurbStompBattle in the penultimate episode, but up until the BigBad made his move, it was largely back and forth.
5th Apr '16 10:05:23 AM bookwormgal
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom''/''Film/{{Beetlejuice}}'' {{crossover}} story, ''FanFic/SayItThrice,'' there's a minor example. [[Film/{{Beetlejuice}} Non-ectoplasm ghosts]] can't show up in photographs and their voices cannot be heard over the phone. But since it is established that they can move and manipulate solid objects, pushing buttons is perfectly within their capabilities. Adam and Barbara are able to text Lydia once they have access to a cell phone.
28th Mar '16 3:41:10 AM WhatRayDid
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*** It also goes the other way: the most impressively powerful wizard spell so far involved the mundane humans doing all of the actual work [[spoiler: of putting the satellite the blackstaff used for his ColonyDrop up there in the first place]], and the most complex wizard spell involves using the muggles' modern plethora of construction materials and surveying methods to build a hyper-accurate simulacrum of a city for use in SympatheticMagic.
20th Mar '16 5:06:09 PM sgamer82
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** The Zero packed twin 20mm cannon plus machine guns. It would be disappointing if the dragons ''didn't'' drop over.



* Very few of the good guys in ''Anime/YuGiOh'' had any supernatural abilities. The Pharaoh did, and so did Aki from ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', and some could [[ISeeThemToo see and talk to Duel Spirits]], but that was about it. (Kaiba might have had a few remnants of the magical skills that his past self as Priest Seto had, but couldn't use them at will.) Still, they tended to fight and defeat sorcerers, demons, and [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] on a regular basis.
** To drive this point home, one of two people to defeat the Pharaoh in a duel was Yugi himself, in what was likely the greatest duel in the first series. And just a few episodes before that, Yugi had defeated Yami Bakura without the Pharaoh's help.
* The exact premise of [[Literature/{{Gate}} Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There]]. Powerful Empire from a fantasy world sends conquering army through a magical gate which leads to current day Japan. Said army is stopped with anti-mob waterguns, and falls back very shortly afterwards. Then Japan's Self-Defense Forces goes through to fantasy world, and the inhabitants are ''horrified'' by what humans can do to them with simple machine guns and mortars. And after that [[OhCrap tanks, jets and APCs show up]]. Luckily for them, Japan is seeking for a diplomatic solution, rather than simply [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] the entire realm.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOh''
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Very few of the good guys in ''Anime/YuGiOh'' had any supernatural abilities. The Pharaoh did, and so as did Aki from ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', and some could [[ISeeThemToo see and talk to Duel Spirits]], but that was about it. (Kaiba might have had a few remnants of the magical skills that his past self as Priest Seto had, but couldn't use them at will.) Still, they tended to fight and defeat sorcerers, demons, and [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] {{Eldritch Abomination}}s on a regular basis.
** To drive this point home, one One of two people to defeat the Pharaoh in a duel was Yugi himself, himself in what was likely the greatest duel in the first series. And just Just a few episodes before that, Yugi had defeated Yami Bakura without the Pharaoh's help.
* The exact premise of [[Literature/{{Gate}} Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There]].''Literature/{{Gate}}''. Powerful Empire from a fantasy world sends conquering army through a magical gate which leads to current day Japan. Said army is stopped with anti-mob waterguns, and falls back very shortly afterwards. Then Japan's Self-Defense Forces goes through to fantasy world, and the inhabitants are ''horrified'' by what humans can do to them with simple machine guns and mortars. And after that [[OhCrap tanks, jets and APCs show up]]. Luckily for them, Japan is seeking for a diplomatic solution, rather than simply [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] the entire realm.
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