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23rd Apr '17 11:44:49 AM GhostLad
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*** ''Pottermore'' reveals that the one area where Muggles have wizards beat is transportation. Only the most vehement anti-Muggle wizards will attempt to deny that the automobile and train are excellent modes of transport that really have no magical peer, which is why Hogwarts students travel to the school by train, why the Ministry owns a fleet of cars and why the Knight Bus exists.

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*** ''Pottermore'' reveals suggests that the one area where Muggles have wizards beat is transportation. Only the most vehement anti-Muggle wizards will attempt to deny that the automobile and train are excellent modes of transport that really have no magical peer, which is why Hogwarts students travel to the school by train, why the Ministry owns a fleet of cars and why the Knight Bus exists. Which is odd, given that wizards have at least three forms of teleportation and a personal lightweight hover-capable flight device that doesn't appear to need fuel and can be safely operated by an 11-year-old, so transportation wouldn't appear to be so clear-cut.
22nd Apr '17 10:16:28 PM GhostLad
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* Occurs in ''TheLaundryFiles'' novel ''The Nightmare Stacks'', in which modern-day England is invaded by elves fleeing their doomed world. Being natural mages from a society with millennia of experience using magic, The Laundry's mystical arsenal proves utterly outmatched. The Laundry has vampire agents, but the elves have more vampires, and know how to counter them. The elves easily evade The Laundry's detection spells, resulting [[spoiler:England's basilisk-derived defense grid malfunctioning and accidentally killing some cosplayers]]. What the elves don't anticipate, however, is that the "human communication device" the Emperor confiscates from the captured protagonist can be used to [[spoiler:coordinate a drone strike]]. [[ScrewYouElves Oops]].

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* Occurs in ''TheLaundryFiles'' novel ''The Nightmare Stacks'', in which modern-day England is invaded by elves fleeing their doomed world. Being natural mages As the elves are from a society with millennia of experience using magic, The Laundry's mystical arsenal proves utterly outmatched. The Laundry has vampire agents, but the elves have more vampires, and know how to counter them. The elves easily evade The Laundry's detection spells, resulting [[spoiler:England's spells. The elves' DeadlyGaze spells prove highly lethal, whereas England's equivalent basilisk-derived defense grid malfunctioning [[spoiler:malfunctions due to faulty data and accidentally killing kills some cosplayers]]. What the elves don't anticipate, however, is that the "human communication device" the Emperor confiscates from the captured protagonist can be used to [[spoiler:coordinate a drone strike]]. [[ScrewYouElves Oops]].
22nd Apr '17 4:36:52 PM GhostLad
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* Occurs in ''TheLaundryFiles'' novel ''The Nightmare Stacks'', in which modern-day England is invaded by elves fleeing their doomed world. Being natural mages from a society with millennia of experience using magic, The Laundry's mystical arsenal proves utterly outmatched. The Laundry has vampire agents, but the elves have more vampires, and know how to counter them. The elves easily evade The Laundry's detection spells, resulting [[spoiler:England's basilisk-derived defense grid malfunctioning and accidentally killing some cosplayers]]. What the elves don't anticipate, however, is that the "human communication device" the Emperor confiscates from the captured protagonist can be used to [[spoiler:coordinate a drone strike]]. [[ScrewYouElves Oops]].
18th Apr '17 12:44:00 PM GhostLad
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** This is played with in the episode "The Collect Call of Cthulhu" (Yes, [[TyopOnTheCover the name is misspelled]], something that the DVD collection even commented on.) Normally, muggles ''cannot'' face Cthulhu itself without being driven insane. However, the Ghostbusters were somehow able to do so. WordOfGod suggested that this was because they faced horrifying monsters on a regular basis, and the beast really wasn't ''that'' much worse by comparison.

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** This is played with in the episode "The Collect Call of Cthulhu" Cathulhu" (Yes, [[TyopOnTheCover the name is misspelled]], something that the DVD collection even commented on.) Normally, muggles ''cannot'' face Cthulhu itself without being driven insane. However, the Ghostbusters were somehow able to do so. WordOfGod suggested that this was because they faced horrifying monsters on a regular basis, and the beast really wasn't ''that'' much worse by comparison.
15th Apr '17 7:38:46 PM ProfessorDetective
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** That said, some of the sourcebooks mention ways to get around this. One Legacy in ''Legacies: The Sublime'', the Transhumanist Engineers, have a little game they play: they use magic to build an Imbued device (something that doesn't set off the Lie), which works just a tad better than what we have now, and show it off to Sleepers. And then mention they ''really'' hope nobody beats them to market. After that, they just sit back and wait for the viciously-competitive tech sector to figure out how to do it. If the muggles can't do it better ''now'', give them a little push.
** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it [[''better'']]' and more 'Muggles do it, quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if you thin about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, ''The Quiescent'', whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.

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** That said, some of the sourcebooks mention ways to get around this. One Legacy in ''Legacies: The Sublime'', the Transhumanist Engineers, have a little game they play: they use magic to build an Imbued device (something that doesn't set off the Lie), which works just a tad better than what we have now, and show it off to Sleepers. And then mention they ''really'' hope nobody beats them to market. After that, they just sit back and wait for the viciously-competitive viciously competitive tech sector to figure out how to do it. If the muggles can't do it better ''now'', give them a little push.
** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it [[''better'']]' ''better''' and more 'Muggles do it, it quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if you thin people think about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, ''The Quiescent'', whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.
15th Apr '17 7:36:06 PM ProfessorDetective
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** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it [[''better'']]' and more 'Muggles do it, quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if you thin about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, The Quiescent, whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.

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** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it [[''better'']]' and more 'Muggles do it, quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if you thin about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, The Quiescent, ''The Quiescent'', whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.
15th Apr '17 7:35:41 PM ProfessorDetective
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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, when magic could do so much more. A fairly untalented Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, feed an entire village singlehandedly, fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic [[GoMadFromtheRevelation drives muggles insane]]. The second? Observation by a muggle [[AntiMagic destroys magic]]. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very soul unravels the spell and forces the cancer to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually [[ReedRichardsIsUseless affect the world]] around them in any major, meaningful way: [[BlessedWithSuck this is some of the true horror of being a Mage]].
** That said, some of the sourcebooks mention ways to get around this. One Legacy in ''Legacies: The Sublime'', the Transhumanist Engineers, have a little game they play: they use magic to build an Imbued device (something that doesn't set off the Lie), which works just a tad better than what we have now, and show it off to Sleepers. And then mention they ''really'' hope nobody beats them to market. After that they just sit back and wait for the viciously-competitive tech sector to figure out how to do it. If the muggles can't do it better ''now'', give them a little push.

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* Zigzagged in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' game ''TabletopGame/MageTheAwakening''. It's very much not "Muggles do it better", it's "Muggles ''screw up'' magical solutions". Part of what incenses the Diamond Order about the Lie is the fact that it forces muggles to rely on purely technological solutions, solutions when magic could do so much more. A fairly untalented Mage could easily cure AIDS or cancer, feed an entire village singlehandedly, single-handedly, fix all sorts of genetic drawbacks, or create rare materials... but for two slight problems. The first? Seeing Supernal magic [[GoMadFromtheRevelation drives muggles insane]]. The second? Observation by a muggle [[AntiMagic destroys magic]]. So, a well-meaning Mage can cast "Cure Cancer" on TheLittlestCancerPatient... and all he does is drive them insane and give them maybe a few days more of life before their very soul unravels the spell and forces the cancer cancers to come back. Tremendous power, but so very little opportunity to actually [[ReedRichardsIsUseless affect the world]] around them in any major, meaningful way: [[BlessedWithSuck this is some of the true horror horrors of being a Mage]].
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** That said, some of the sourcebooks mention ways to get around this. One Legacy in ''Legacies: The Sublime'', the Transhumanist Engineers, have a little game they play: they use magic to build an Imbued device (something that doesn't set off the Lie), which works just a tad better than what we have now, and show it off to Sleepers. And then mention they ''really'' hope nobody beats them to market. After that that, they just sit back and wait for the viciously-competitive tech sector to figure out how to do it. If the muggles can't do it better ''now'', give them a little push.push.
** Subverting this is one of the main themes of the PeriodPiece sourcebook, ''Mage'' ''[[FilmNoir Noir]]'', set in the immediate aftermath of WorldWarII. Here, it's less 'Muggles do it [[''better'']]' and more 'Muggles do it, quicker, more efficiently, more consistently and with less of a chance of breaking if you thin about it too hard.' (Medicine and the then-recent breakthroughs in antibiotics are the main example) Muggles ''can'' do it better, but it's a much rarer occurrence. (The prime example here being [[NukeEm the Atomic Bomb]].) There's even a whole Legacy, The Quiescent, whose whole philosophy is 'Muggles can and are doing it better, so what right do we have to get in their way?' So, they strive to become as unnoticeable as possible and keep their magic as unnoticeable and as BoringButPractical as possible.



** Though, Exalted lacks a clear division between magic and non-magic, anyway; unenlightened mortals are just so weak that they have no control over their Essence. On the other other hand, the Solar Exalted, among the most powerful of Exalts, explicitly have powers that resemble the 'mortal' way of doing things (shooting arrows that hit you anywhere in the world and leaping over mountains instead of teleporting or firing blasts of fire), and are designed to win out against more obviously magical effects.

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** Though, Exalted lacks a clear division between magic and non-magic, anyway; unenlightened mortals are just so weak that they have no control over their Essence. On the other other, other hand, the Solar Exalted, among the most powerful of Exalts, explicitly have powers that resemble the 'mortal' way of doing things (shooting arrows that hit you anywhere in the world and leaping over mountains instead of teleporting or firing blasts of fire), and are designed to win out against more obviously magical effects.
10th Apr '17 5:45:37 PM nombretomado
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* In SergeyLukyanenko's ''[[Literature/NightWatch Watch]]'' novels, the [[DifferentlyPoweredIndividual Others]] are mostly immune to human weapons by virtue of always having the ability to enter the [[MagicalDimension Twilight]], where no human can go. Also, all seriously wounded Others instinctively enter the Twilight to heal up. Also, TheMasquerade prevents humans from knowing the truth. Several Others have been killed by [[{{Muggles}} Muggle]] means. [[spoiler:Edgar]]'s wife, a witch, is killed by a truck driver having a heart attack. One story involves the possibility of resurrecting an ancient dragon-mage, who, being from before TheMasquerade, would go rampaging across Europe. The Others argue that, in a battle between a mad dragon and missile-armed gunships, the gunships would come out on top (TakeThat, ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'').

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* In SergeyLukyanenko's Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''[[Literature/NightWatch Watch]]'' novels, the [[DifferentlyPoweredIndividual Others]] are mostly immune to human weapons by virtue of always having the ability to enter the [[MagicalDimension Twilight]], where no human can go. Also, all seriously wounded Others instinctively enter the Twilight to heal up. Also, TheMasquerade prevents humans from knowing the truth. Several Others have been killed by [[{{Muggles}} Muggle]] means. [[spoiler:Edgar]]'s wife, a witch, is killed by a truck driver having a heart attack. One story involves the possibility of resurrecting an ancient dragon-mage, who, being from before TheMasquerade, would go rampaging across Europe. The Others argue that, in a battle between a mad dragon and missile-armed gunships, the gunships would come out on top (TakeThat, ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'').
30th Mar '17 2:41:49 PM Red-Dead-Redeemer
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*** Really a case of [[ExactWords Exact Words]] since rocket launchers aren't technically "forged" weapons. Rolled, stamped, cast and welded, yes. Forged, no.

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*** Really a case of [[ExactWords Exact Words]] ExactWords since rocket launchers aren't technically "forged" weapons. Rolled, stamped, cast and welded, yes. Forged, no.
30th Mar '17 3:44:14 AM Divra
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*** Really a case of [[ExactWords Exact Words]] since rocket launchers aren't technically "forged" weapons.

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*** Really a case of [[ExactWords Exact Words]] since rocket launchers aren't technically "forged" weapons. Rolled, stamped, cast and welded, yes. Forged, no.
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