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7th Dec '16 3:29:00 AM IndigoFenix
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* ''LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of TheInnocent, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.

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* ''LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of TheInnocent, MartialPacifist, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.
7th Dec '16 3:27:26 AM IndigoFenix
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* ''LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of TheInnocent, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.
30th Nov '16 10:09:40 AM nighttrainfm
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** What demonstrates this trope is that none of the characters are truly consistent to their ideas. The Comedian's facade of cynicism shatters utterly [[spoiler:and he turns out to be a lonely, self-loathing wreck who is truly pathetic on the inside. Dr. Manhattan the most seemingly misanthropic of the superheroes gives the ultimate HumansAreSpecial speech in the book. Ozymandias and Rorscharch follow a HourglassPlot, the see each other as being a guilty liberal (Ozymandias) and a fascist (Rorscharch). The morally absolute Rorscharch who once justified Harry Truman's UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki is stunned when Ozymandias launches a similarly brutal attack using the same justification. This time Rorscharch takes the opposite tack and denounces this action, willing to die rather than uphold this facade]].

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** What demonstrates this trope is that none of the characters are truly consistent to their ideas. The Comedian's facade of cynicism shatters utterly [[spoiler:and he turns out to be a lonely, self-loathing wreck who is truly pathetic on the inside. Dr. Manhattan Manhattan, the most seemingly misanthropic of the superheroes superheroes, gives the ultimate HumansAreSpecial speech in the book. Ozymandias and Rorscharch follow a HourglassPlot, the an HourglassPlot: they at first see each other as being a guilty liberal (Ozymandias) and a fascist (Rorscharch). The morally absolute Rorscharch Rorscharch, who once justified Harry Truman's UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki, is stunned when Ozymandias launches a similarly brutal attack using the same justification. This time Rorscharch takes the opposite tack and denounces this action, willing to die rather than uphold this facade]].facade.]]
3rd Nov '16 11:13:47 AM NNinja
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* ''Manga/MagicKnightRayearth'' falls into this when you take a look at it. The first season and especially the second season are mainly filled with protagonists and antagonist who are trying to save and protect the one thing that they care about and simply come into conflict because the others goals stand in the way. They range from the 3 heroes fighting to save a dying world to a villain willing to let said world die [[spoiler: because to save the world a woman he loves will have to die]] to 3 different nations going to war for their own worlds' sake.
30th Oct '16 9:23:43 AM fsdfsdfsd
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30th Oct '16 9:12:12 AM fsdfsdfsd
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** There's also some work put into showing how characters who do evil things think and why they do what they do. [[spoiler: Sora]] and [[spoiler: Dennis]] both have a lot of humanizing traits. [[spoiler: Serena]] shows the mentality that leads people to becoming Black, since she wanted to be [[spoiler: a soldier]] until she stopped to consider that her victims might be ''innocent''. [[spoiler: Sora]] suffers from a bad case of FantasticRacism, but is shown to have grown up with no friends, trained not to ask questions and obey orders unquestioningly, and [[spoiler: starts thinking for himself and avoiding commands [[MoralityPet once he makes real friends for the first time in his life]], and begins to have a HeelRealization]]. In fact, all the characters from [[spoiler:Academia]] see themselves as ProudWarriorRaceGuys with UndyingLoyalty to their leader, even the nastier characters [[spoiler:like [[TheDreaded Yuri]]]]. Speaking of Yuri, it becomes clear that his twisted personality is a result of being raised as a monster by a man who, due to preconceived notions, saw him as a "demon" and rewarded him for doing evil, which was the ''only'' time someone paid personal attention to him. [[spoiler: Kurosaki]] is a [[spoiler: genocide survivor]] and a ShellShockedVeteran trying to rescue his friends and family, who has become paranoid and [[WellIntentionedExtremist ruthless]] due to all he's lost. Reiji's invasion of privacy and ruthlessness has saved the lives of the three LID students and enabled him to ensure that [[spoiler: his dimension isn't caught by surprise and destroyed the same way the Xyz dimension was]]. [[spoiler: Duel Chaser 227]] became a CorruptCop in order to avoid poverty. Most of [[spoiler: the Tops]] actually believe the lie that they are equals and friends with [[spoiler: the Commons]], when they're actually the oppressive ruling class in a CrapsackWorld. [[spoiler: [[TheScrappy The Commons]]]] are starving and manipulated by their oppressors BreadAndCircuses, but while the crowd can be nasty every individual member that we meet is genuinely nice or has a HiddenHeartOfGold somewhere. [[spoiler: Shinji]] truly believes the only way to change the system [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption is through a violent revolution]] and [[spoiler:his rebellion]] gets swallowed by BlackAndWhiteInsanity, but ultimately [[spoiler:pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Jean-Michel Roget [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk is just a greedy bastard]], although he tries to justify his actions to himself by claiming MightMakesRight. Kaito is in the same boat as Kurosaki, except [[spoiler: every member of his family was killed, whereas Kurosaki still had his sister, and Kaito thus pushed everyone away to avoid being hurt- causing him to become HeWhoFightsMonsters even more than Kurosaki.]] Edo feels TrappedInVillainy, and once he finally breaks out of it he manages to abuse the aforementioned UndyingLoyalty of Academia soldiers in order to [[spoiler: get the soldiers in Heartland to pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Leo Akaba [[spoiler: doesn't think that anything in the four dimensions really "counts" and just wants to get his daughter back]], but he goes ''far'' beyond WellIntentionedExtremist, fucks up royally in the process, and refuses to listen to any perspective but his own. Even [[spoiler: Zarc was pushed to the edge by his need to fulfill the sick desires of his fans, as well as the implications that he had ability to understand the pain of duel spirits when everyone was forcing them into battle]].

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** There's also some work put into showing how characters who do evil things think and why they do what they do. [[spoiler: Sora]] and [[spoiler: Dennis]] both have a lot of humanizing traits. [[spoiler: Serena]] shows the mentality that leads people to becoming Black, since she wanted to be [[spoiler: a soldier]] until she stopped to consider that her victims might be ''innocent''. [[spoiler: Sora]] suffers from a bad case of FantasticRacism, but is shown to have grown up with no friends, trained not to ask questions and obey orders unquestioningly, and [[spoiler: starts thinking for himself and avoiding commands [[MoralityPet once he makes real friends for the first time in his life]], and begins to have a HeelRealization]]. In fact, all the characters from [[spoiler:Academia]] are either TrappedInVillainy which leads them to despair and ThenLetMeBeEvil, or see themselves as ProudWarriorRaceGuys with UndyingLoyalty to their leader, even the nastier characters [[spoiler:like [[TheDreaded Yuri]]]]. Speaking of Yuri, it becomes clear that his twisted personality is a result of being raised as a monster by a man who, due to preconceived notions, saw him as a "demon" and rewarded him for doing evil, which was the ''only'' time someone paid personal attention to him. [[spoiler: Kurosaki]] is a [[spoiler: genocide survivor]] and a ShellShockedVeteran trying to rescue his friends and family, who has become paranoid and [[WellIntentionedExtremist ruthless]] due to all he's lost. Reiji's invasion of privacy and ruthlessness has saved the lives of the three LID students and enabled him to ensure that [[spoiler: his dimension isn't caught by surprise and destroyed the same way the Xyz dimension was]]. [[spoiler: Duel Chaser 227]] became a CorruptCop in order to avoid poverty. Most of [[spoiler: the Tops]] actually believe the lie that they are equals and friends with [[spoiler: the Commons]], when they're actually the oppressive ruling class in a CrapsackWorld. [[spoiler: [[TheScrappy The Commons]]]] are starving and manipulated by their oppressors BreadAndCircuses, but while the crowd can be nasty every individual member that we meet is genuinely nice or has a HiddenHeartOfGold somewhere. [[spoiler: Shinji]] truly believes the only way to change the system [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption is through a violent revolution]] and [[spoiler:his rebellion]] gets swallowed by BlackAndWhiteInsanity, but ultimately [[spoiler:pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Jean-Michel Roget [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk is just a greedy bastard]], although he tries to justify his actions to himself by claiming MightMakesRight. Kaito is in the same boat as Kurosaki, except [[spoiler: every member of his family was killed, whereas Kurosaki still had his sister, and Kaito thus pushed everyone away to avoid being hurt- causing him to become HeWhoFightsMonsters even more than Kurosaki.]] Edo [[spoiler: Edo]] feels TrappedInVillainy, and once he finally breaks out of it he manages to abuse the aforementioned UndyingLoyalty of [[spoiler: the Academia soldiers in order soldiers]] to convince his subordinates to [[spoiler: get the soldiers in Heartland to pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Leo Akaba [[spoiler: doesn't think that anything in the four dimensions really "counts" and just wants to get his daughter back]], but he goes ''far'' beyond WellIntentionedExtremist, fucks up royally in the process, and refuses to listen to any perspective but his own. Even [[spoiler: Zarc was pushed to the edge by his need to fulfill the sick desires of his fans, as well as the implications that he had ability to understand the pain of duel spirits when everyone was forcing them into battle]].
30th Oct '16 9:05:22 AM fsdfsdfsd
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** There's also some work put into showing how characters who do evil things think and why they do what they do. [[spoiler: Sora]] and [[spoiler: Dennis]] both have a lot of humanizing traits. [[spoiler: Serena]] shows the mentality that leads people to becoming Black, since she wanted to be [[spoiler: a soldier]] until she stopped to consider that her victims might be ''innocent''. [[spoiler: Sora]] suffers from a bad case of FantasticRacism, but is shown to have grown up with no friends, trained not to ask questions and obey orders unquestioningly, and [[spoiler: starts thinking for himself and avoiding commands [[MoralityPet once he makes real friends for the first time in his life]], and begins to have a HeelRealization]]. In fact, all the characters from [[spoiler:Academia]] see themselves as ProudWarriorRaceGuys with UndyingLoyalty to their leader, even the nastier characters [[spoiler:like [[TheDreaded Yuri]]]]. Speaking of Yuri, it becomes clear that his twisted personality is a result of being raised as a monster by a man who, due to preconceived notions, saw him as a "demon" and rewarded him for doing evil, which was the ''only'' time someone paid personal attention to him. [[spoiler: Kurosaki]] is a [[spoiler: genocide survivor]] and a ShellShockedVeteran trying to rescue his friends and family, who has become paranoid and [[WellIntentionedExtremist ruthless]] due to all he's lost. Reiji's invasion of privacy and ruthlessness has saved the lives of the three LID students and enabled him to ensure that [[spoiler: his dimension isn't caught by surprise and destroyed the same way the Xyz dimension was]]. [[spoiler: Duel Chaser 227]] became a CorruptCop in order to avoid poverty. Most of [[spoiler: the Tops]] actually believe the lie that they are equals and friends with [[spoiler: the Commons]], when they're actually the oppressive ruling class in a CrapsackWorld. [[spoiler: [[TheScrappy The Commons]]]] are starving and manipulated by their oppressors BreadAndCircuses, but while the crowd can be nasty every individual member that we meet is genuinely nice or has a HiddenHeartOfGold somewhere. [[spoiler: Shinji]] truly believes the only way to change the system [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption is through a violent revolution]] and [[spoiler:his rebellion]] gets swallowed by BlackAndWhiteInsanity, but ultimately [[spoiler:pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Jean-Michel Roget [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk is just a greedy bastard]], although he tries to justify his actions to himself by claiming MightMakesRight. Kaito is in the same boat as Kurosaki, except [[spoiler: every member of his family was killed, whereas Kurosaki still had his sister, and Kaito thus pushed everyone away to avoid being hurt- causing him to SlideDownTheSlipperySlope even more than Kurosaki.]] Edo feels TrappedInVillainy, and once he finally breaks out of it he manages to abuse the aforementioned UndyingLoyalty of Academia soldiers in order to [[spoiler: get the soldiers in Heartland to pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Leo Akaba [[spoiler: doesn't think that anything in the four dimensions really "counts" and just wants to get his daughter back]], but he goes ''far'' beyond WellIntentionedExtremist, fucks up royally in the process, and refuses to listen to any perspective but his own. Even [[spoiler: Zarc was pushed to the edge by his need to fulfill the sick desires of his fans, as well as the implications that he had ability to understand the pain of duel spirits when everyone was forcing them into battle]].

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** There's also some work put into showing how characters who do evil things think and why they do what they do. [[spoiler: Sora]] and [[spoiler: Dennis]] both have a lot of humanizing traits. [[spoiler: Serena]] shows the mentality that leads people to becoming Black, since she wanted to be [[spoiler: a soldier]] until she stopped to consider that her victims might be ''innocent''. [[spoiler: Sora]] suffers from a bad case of FantasticRacism, but is shown to have grown up with no friends, trained not to ask questions and obey orders unquestioningly, and [[spoiler: starts thinking for himself and avoiding commands [[MoralityPet once he makes real friends for the first time in his life]], and begins to have a HeelRealization]]. In fact, all the characters from [[spoiler:Academia]] see themselves as ProudWarriorRaceGuys with UndyingLoyalty to their leader, even the nastier characters [[spoiler:like [[TheDreaded Yuri]]]]. Speaking of Yuri, it becomes clear that his twisted personality is a result of being raised as a monster by a man who, due to preconceived notions, saw him as a "demon" and rewarded him for doing evil, which was the ''only'' time someone paid personal attention to him. [[spoiler: Kurosaki]] is a [[spoiler: genocide survivor]] and a ShellShockedVeteran trying to rescue his friends and family, who has become paranoid and [[WellIntentionedExtremist ruthless]] due to all he's lost. Reiji's invasion of privacy and ruthlessness has saved the lives of the three LID students and enabled him to ensure that [[spoiler: his dimension isn't caught by surprise and destroyed the same way the Xyz dimension was]]. [[spoiler: Duel Chaser 227]] became a CorruptCop in order to avoid poverty. Most of [[spoiler: the Tops]] actually believe the lie that they are equals and friends with [[spoiler: the Commons]], when they're actually the oppressive ruling class in a CrapsackWorld. [[spoiler: [[TheScrappy The Commons]]]] are starving and manipulated by their oppressors BreadAndCircuses, but while the crowd can be nasty every individual member that we meet is genuinely nice or has a HiddenHeartOfGold somewhere. [[spoiler: Shinji]] truly believes the only way to change the system [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption is through a violent revolution]] and [[spoiler:his rebellion]] gets swallowed by BlackAndWhiteInsanity, but ultimately [[spoiler:pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Jean-Michel Roget [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk is just a greedy bastard]], although he tries to justify his actions to himself by claiming MightMakesRight. Kaito is in the same boat as Kurosaki, except [[spoiler: every member of his family was killed, whereas Kurosaki still had his sister, and Kaito thus pushed everyone away to avoid being hurt- causing him to SlideDownTheSlipperySlope become HeWhoFightsMonsters even more than Kurosaki.]] Edo feels TrappedInVillainy, and once he finally breaks out of it he manages to abuse the aforementioned UndyingLoyalty of Academia soldiers in order to [[spoiler: get the soldiers in Heartland to pull a mass HeelFaceTurn]]. Leo Akaba [[spoiler: doesn't think that anything in the four dimensions really "counts" and just wants to get his daughter back]], but he goes ''far'' beyond WellIntentionedExtremist, fucks up royally in the process, and refuses to listen to any perspective but his own. Even [[spoiler: Zarc was pushed to the edge by his need to fulfill the sick desires of his fans, as well as the implications that he had ability to understand the pain of duel spirits when everyone was forcing them into battle]].
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