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2nd Dec '17 8:41:57 AM rufusluciusivan
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** ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', despite (or perharps ''because of'') its {{Disneyfication}} from the [[Literature/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame source material]], which ran on GrayAndGreyMorality. [[GentleGiant Quasimodo]] and the [[AllLovingHero Archdeacon]] are the only truly good characters in the movie (and even the former has several LetsGetDangerous moments). Esmeralda is a KnightInSourArmor. Clopin and the gypsies in general are {{Unscrupulous Hero}}es. Phoebus is a PragmaticHero in sour armor [[spoiler:who later has a HeelFaceTurn]]. Even [[BigBad Judge Frollo]], for all his [[ChurchgoingVillain nasti]][[EgocentricallyReligious ness]], [[TheSociopath sociopathy]] and [[WouldHurtAChild monstrosity]], is given a very humane and relatable moment in his VillainSong "Hellfire."

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** ''Disney/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame'', despite (or perharps ''because of'') its {{Disneyfication}} from the [[Literature/TheHunchbackOfNotreDame source material]], which ran on GrayAndGreyMorality. [[GentleGiant Quasimodo]] and the [[AllLovingHero Archdeacon]] are the only truly good characters in the movie (and even the former has several LetsGetDangerous moments). Esmeralda is a KnightInSourArmor. Clopin and the gypsies in general are {{Unscrupulous Hero}}es. Phoebus is a PragmaticHero in sour armor [[spoiler:who later has a HeelFaceTurn]]. The crowd of Parisian citizens start off as a bunch of bullies that mock Quasimodo, but [[EveryoneHasStandards end up siding with the heroes when Frollo goes too far]] and accept Quasimodo at the end. Even [[BigBad Judge Frollo]], for all his [[ChurchgoingVillain nasti]][[EgocentricallyReligious ness]], [[TheSociopath sociopathy]] and [[WouldHurtAChild monstrosity]], is given a very humane and relatable moment in his VillainSong "Hellfire."
27th Nov '17 6:57:47 PM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of MartialPacifist, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.

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* ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar UsefulNotes/KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of MartialPacifist, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.
24th Nov '17 6:40:29 PM StarSong212
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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has this in ''spades.'' The kids are more or less good, and the underlings are more or less antagonistic, but once you hit Hiveswap things start getting complicated. [[spoiler:Trolls are various shades of gray, ranging from sweet little Nepeta to Kanaya's {{GoodIsNotSoft}} attitude to {{BaseBreakingCharacter}} Vriska and her {{HeelFaceRevolvingDoor}} tendencies to Eridan's straight-up {{HeelFaceTurn}} in a last-ditch attempt at survival,]] [[spoiler:carapacians are really more of a {{GreyAndGrayMorality}} than it seems at first,]] [[spoiler:the [[EldritchAbomination Horrorterrors]] just want to be left alone,]] [[spoiler:[[SatanicArchetype Doc Scratch]] is {{AffablyEvil}} and really just Lord English's pawn anyway,]] [[spoiler:[[OurAngelsAreDifferent cherubs]] are [[BlueAndOrangeMorality just plain weird]],]] [[spoiler:and one could even argue that even [[BigBad Lord English]] can't really help what he's doing, since he's [[InTheBlood evil by nature]], and the only other choice he ever had was for [[TheDreaded Yaldaboath]] to kill him.]] Just try and keep track of all that.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has this in ''spades.'' The kids are more or less good, and the underlings are more or less antagonistic, but once you hit Hiveswap things start getting complicated. [[spoiler:Trolls are various shades of gray, ranging from sweet little Nepeta to Kanaya's {{GoodIsNotSoft}} GoodIsNotSoft attitude to {{BaseBreakingCharacter}} BaseBreakingCharacter Vriska and her {{HeelFaceRevolvingDoor}} HeelFaceRevolvingDoor tendencies to Eridan's straight-up {{HeelFaceTurn}} HeelFaceTurn in a last-ditch attempt at survival,]] [[spoiler:carapacians are really more of a {{GreyAndGrayMorality}} GreyAndGrayMorality than it seems at first,]] [[spoiler:the [[EldritchAbomination Horrorterrors]] just want to be left alone,]] [[spoiler:[[SatanicArchetype Doc Scratch]] is {{AffablyEvil}} AffablyEvil and really just Lord English's pawn anyway,]] [[spoiler:[[OurAngelsAreDifferent cherubs]] are [[BlueAndOrangeMorality just plain weird]],]] [[spoiler:and one could even argue that even [[BigBad Lord English]] can't really help what he's doing, since he's [[InTheBlood evil by nature]], and the only other choice he ever had was for [[TheDreaded Yaldaboath]] to kill him.]] Just try and keep track of all that.
24th Nov '17 6:38:30 PM StarSong212
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* ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' has this in ''spades.'' The kids are more or less good, and the underlings are more or less antagonistic, but once you hit Hiveswap things start getting complicated. [[spoiler:Trolls are various shades of gray, ranging from sweet little Nepeta to Kanaya's {{GoodIsNotSoft}} attitude to {{BaseBreakingCharacter}} Vriska and her {{HeelFaceRevolvingDoor}} tendencies to Eridan's straight-up {{HeelFaceTurn}} in a last-ditch attempt at survival,]] [[spoiler:carapacians are really more of a {{GreyAndGrayMorality}} than it seems at first,]] [[spoiler:the [[EldritchAbomination Horrorterrors]] just want to be left alone,]] [[spoiler:[[SatanicArchetype Doc Scratch]] is {{AffablyEvil}} and really just Lord English's pawn anyway,]] [[spoiler:[[OurAngelsAreDifferent cherubs]] are [[BlueAndOrangeMorality just plain weird]],]] [[spoiler:and one could even argue that even [[BigBad Lord English]] can't really help what he's doing, since he's [[InTheBlood evil by nature]], and the only other choice he ever had was for [[TheDreaded Yaldaboath]] to kill him.]] Just try and keep track of all that.
19th Nov '17 11:06:16 PM TheMountainKing
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** The Comedian is a Nihilist who sees the world as nothing but a joke, and just doesn't care about right or wrong, Rorschach is an Objectivist and a moral absolutist, incapable of seeing the world in any terms other than Black and White, Dr. Manhattan is so alienated from the human experience that the very concept of morality escapes him, and Ozymandias favors a utilitarian liberal ideal of doing good to build a better society.

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** The Comedian is a Nihilist who sees the world as nothing but a joke, and just doesn't care about right or wrong, Rorschach is an Objectivist and a moral absolutist, [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity incapable of seeing the world in any terms other than Black and White, White]], Dr. Manhattan is [[BlueAndOrangeMorality so alienated from the human experience that the very concept of morality escapes him, him]], and Ozymandias favors a utilitarian liberal ideal of doing good to build a better society.society, [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans by any means necessary.]]
19th Nov '17 11:03:45 PM TheMountainKing
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* The SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' takes this even further. There are some outright evil characters, but all of the series' major villains are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned Extremists]] who [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans genuinely believe that they are making the world a better place]]. While [[TheHero Korra]] and most her allies are unquestionably good, a major part of her character arc is rejecting BlackAndWhiteMorality and understanding that [[VillainHasAPoint her enemies can have worthwhile ideas.]]

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* The SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' takes this even further. There are some outright evil characters, but all of the series' major villains are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned Extremists]] who [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans genuinely believe that they are making the world a better place]]. While [[TheHero Korra]] and most of her allies are unquestionably good, a major part of her character arc is rejecting BlackAndWhiteMorality and understanding that [[VillainHasAPoint her enemies can have worthwhile ideas.]]
19th Nov '17 11:03:13 PM TheMountainKing
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* The SequelSeries ''TheLegendOfKorra'' takes this even further. There are some outright evil characters, but all of the series' major villains are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Inetentioned Extremists]] who [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans genuinely believe that they are making the world a better place]]. While [[TheHero Korra]] and most her allies are unquestionably good, a major part of her character arc is rejecting BlackAndWhiteMorality and understanding that [[VillainHasAPoint her enemies can have worthwhile ideas.]]

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* The SequelSeries ''TheLegendOfKorra'' ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' takes this even further. There are some outright evil characters, but all of the series' major villains are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Inetentioned Intentioned Extremists]] who [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans genuinely believe that they are making the world a better place]]. While [[TheHero Korra]] and most her allies are unquestionably good, a major part of her character arc is rejecting BlackAndWhiteMorality and understanding that [[VillainHasAPoint her enemies can have worthwhile ideas.]]
9th Oct '17 2:51:26 AM EricW
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%%* Since ''Series/GameOfThrones'' is an adaptation of ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', it's probably no surprise that it, too, falls here.

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%%* Since ''Series/GameOfThrones'' * From the directors of the above mentioned Lost is ''Series/OnceUponATime''. On one end of the spectrum you have people like Prince Charming as the heroic, noble and sacrificial if not sometimes pragmatic hero. And on the other, you have people like [[spoiler: Peter Pan and the Black Fairy]], manipulative evil bastards (or bitches) who only cares about themselves. However, in between you have everyone else, including several villains like Regina and Gold who are on a road to redemption, villains like Cora who slowly became worse despite sympathetic beginnings, and TheMessiah who's also an adaptation of ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', it's probably no surprise that it, too, falls here.Anti-Hero.
8th Oct '17 8:20:16 PM TheMountainKing
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*The SequelSeries ''TheLegendOfKorra'' takes this even further. There are some outright evil characters, but all of the series' major villains are [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Inetentioned Extremists]] who [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans genuinely believe that they are making the world a better place]]. While [[TheHero Korra]] and most her allies are unquestionably good, a major part of her character arc is rejecting BlackAndWhiteMorality and understanding that [[VillainHasAPoint her enemies can have worthwhile ideas.]]
17th Sep '17 11:46:51 AM Gideoncrawle
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* In ''Fanfic/TheLegendOfTotalDramaIsland'', most of the cast are varying shades of gray, but the following are notable and/or representative:
** Black: Chris, {{the host}}. He shows a callous disregard for human life.
** Near-black: Heather, the {{alpha bitch}}. She seems to enjoy her antagonist role a little too much to be a “gray”; but unlike Chris, she draws the line at the prospect of bloodshed.
** Dark gray: Duncan, the juvenile {{delinquent}}. He’s an experienced knife fighter and tends to view girls as objects, but he has too many PetTheDog moments to be a “black”.
** Neutral gray: Chef Hatchet, Chris' aide. He’s a textbook PunchClockVillain. He understands and accepts the role of hardship in separating the game's contenders from the pretenders, but when approached with proper deference [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure he can sometimes be persuaded]] to give the petitioners more help than his duties require [[TheStarscream or even technically allow]], although he won't do anything that would affect the course of the game.
** Light gray: Katie and Sadie, the [[HeterosexualLifePartners co-dependent clones]]. They’re friendly, loyal and supportive, but are also willing to [[BewareTheNiceOnes get their hands dirty to get what they want]].
** Near-white: Courtney, the [[GoGetterGirl Muskies' nominal leader]]. She is well-meaning and compassionate, but is also willing to do [[IDidWhatIHadToDo what she thinks she must]].
** White: Bridgette, the {{granola girl}}. She’s almost [[IncorruptiblePurePureness incorruptibly pure]] and is the only contestant known to have mourned the [[RedShirt dead interns]] from the beginning.

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