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23rd Mar '17 3:57:51 PM Vir
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* ''LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of MartialPacifist, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.
* ''ShinMegamiTensei'': This is usually how the games start: humanity has been plunged into a terrifying environment where the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is either looming on the horizon or is a very recent memory, [[FantasyKitchenSink all manner of mythical beings]] are running rampant, and a [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits bunch of humans of varying personalities, backgrounds, and degrees of morality and idealism]] are just trying to stay alive, with finding a solution to the mess an ever-present ([[ActionSurvivor but often secondary]]) concern. Then [[LawfulEvil Law]] and [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]]-aligned beings start pressuring the heroes to take a stance. By the third act, almost everyone [[WithUsOrAgainstUs will have taken a side]] and [[MortonsFork demand you do the same]]. Should you choose neither, you end up as [[OnlySaneMan one of the few sane people]] in an EvilVersusEvil scenario.

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* ''LeagueOfLegends'' ''VideoGame/LeagueOfLegends'' was more black-and-white early on with its underlying Demacia (good) vs Noxus (evil) backstory, but it has become far more complex over the years, with Demacia being rewritten as a LawfulNeutral kingdom with occasional KnightsTemplar tendencies and Noxus developing into a SocialDarwinist culture that values honor as well as strength. Individual characters can fall anywhere on the scale regardless of origin, and include various shades of MartialPacifist, AntiHero, WellIntentionedExtremist, and CardCarryingVillain. Add a few [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] into the mix alongside BlueAndOrangeMorality spirits to round out the cast and you have a rather complex scale with characters falling all over the place.
* ''ShinMegamiTensei'': ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': This is usually how the games start: humanity has been plunged into a terrifying environment where the EndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt is either looming on the horizon or is a very recent memory, [[FantasyKitchenSink all manner of mythical beings]] are running rampant, and a [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits bunch of humans of varying personalities, backgrounds, and degrees of morality and idealism]] are just trying to stay alive, with finding a solution to the mess an ever-present ([[ActionSurvivor but often secondary]]) concern. Then [[LawfulEvil Law]] and [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]]-aligned beings start pressuring the heroes to take a stance. By the third act, almost everyone [[WithUsOrAgainstUs will have taken a side]] and [[MortonsFork demand you do the same]]. Should you choose neither, you end up as [[OnlySaneMan one of the few sane people]] in an EvilVersusEvil scenario.



** However, let it be known that "Light Side" and "Dark Side" are very different concepts for Imperial characters and Republic characters. At worst, a dark sided Republic character will be a TokenEvilTeammate, generally they'll be {{AntiHero}}es. On the other side, Light sided Imperials are generally {{AntiVillain}}s of various degrees, with the best being [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains Type IVs]], devoid of villainous actions, but still on the "bad side."
*** The smuggler (republic) dark-side story ends with you [[spoiler: seizing control of a massive interstellar pirate fleet through murder and betrayal, then using the "distraction" of the climactic good-versus-evil battle of the other storylines to loot and then raze most of the starports in the galaxy in an orgy of murder, rape, and pillage]]. Additionally, the only person to make any kind of attempt at non-murder conflict resolution in the Jedi knight storyline is [[spoiler:a Sith officer, who ends up nobly sacrificing himself for morality]] while the actual player, light side or dark, takes the easy and bloody way out. I'd say they've got the GreyAndGreyMorality covered pretty well.

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** However, let it be known that "Light Side" and "Dark Side" are very different concepts for Imperial characters and Republic characters. At worst, a dark sided Republic character will be a TokenEvilTeammate, generally they'll be {{AntiHero}}es. [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]]. On the other side, Light sided Imperials are generally {{AntiVillain}}s [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] of various degrees, with the best being [[SlidingScaleOfAntiVillains Type IVs]], devoid of villainous actions, but still on the "bad side."
*** The smuggler (republic) dark-side (Republic) Dark Side story ends with you [[spoiler: seizing control of a massive interstellar pirate fleet through murder and betrayal, then using the "distraction" of the climactic good-versus-evil battle of the other storylines to loot and then raze most of the starports in the galaxy in an orgy of murder, rape, and pillage]]. Additionally, the only person to make any kind of attempt at non-murder conflict resolution in the Jedi knight Knight storyline is [[spoiler:a Sith officer, who ends up nobly sacrificing himself for morality]] while the actual player, light side Light Side or dark, Dark, takes the easy and bloody way out. I'd say they've got the GreyAndGreyMorality GreyAndGrayMorality covered pretty well.
14th Mar '17 3:36:02 PM JulianLapostat
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-->-- '''Octave''', ''Film/The RulesOfTheGame''

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14th Mar '17 3:35:52 PM JulianLapostat
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-->-- '''Octave''', ''[[Creator/JeanRenoir The Rules of the Game]]''

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-->-- '''Octave''', ''[[Creator/JeanRenoir The Rules of the Game]]''
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13th Mar '17 7:03:23 PM MasterHero
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* ''LightNovel/TheAsteriskWar'': Only the protagonists are the White area of morality. Several characters like Claudia willing to use underhanded means to achieve noble goals, while the the Integrated Entreprises Foundation is a power-hungry MegaCorp that keeps entire countries in poverty simply because it's profitable to them.

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* ''LightNovel/TheAsteriskWar'': Only the protagonists and Sylvia are in the White area of morality. Several characters like Claudia are willing to use underhanded means to achieve noble goals, while the the goals. Others like Irene and Orphelia used to be good people until they were forced into villainy by circumstances beyond their control. The Integrated Entreprises Enterprises Foundation is a power-hungry MegaCorp that keeps entire countries in poverty simply because it's profitable to them.
27th Feb '17 7:52:50 AM MasterHero
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* ''LightNovel/TheAsteriskWar'': Only the protagonists are the White area of morality. Several characters like Claudia willing to use underhanded means to achieve noble goals, while the the Integrated Entreprises Foundation is a power-hungry MegaCorp that keeps entire countries in poverty simply because it's profitable to them.


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* ''LightNovel/DateALive'': Characters range from idealistic heroes (Shido and his allies), the cynical but well-intentioned (Origami and the AST), AntiVillain{{s}} (Kurumi) and the supremely evil (Westcott).
16th Feb '17 1:02:05 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Or rather, white and black plus a thousand shades of grey. Between Ned Stark on the one hand and Ramsay on the other, every one of the LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters has his own unique shade of grey.
19th Jan '17 7:39:39 AM Crino37
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* ''Gantz'' has this, as the hunters are very different in terms of morality, ranging from an IdealHero like Katou to a SociopathicHero like Nishi. The same applies to the aliens, as they are pacific (until attacked) in the early missions, but more hostile kinds of aliens appeared later on.

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* ''Gantz'' ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'' has this, as the hunters are very different in terms of morality, ranging from an IdealHero like Katou to a SociopathicHero like Nishi. The same applies to the aliens, as they are pacific (until attacked) in the early missions, but more hostile kinds of aliens appeared later on.
19th Jan '17 7:37:53 AM Crino37
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* ''Gantz'' has this, as the hunters are very different in terms of morality, ranging from an IdealHero like Katou to a SociopathicHero like Nishi. The same applies to the aliens, as they are pacific (until attacked) in the early missions, but more hostile kinds of aliens appeared later on.
18th Dec '16 9:30:42 PM RavenWilder
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* The main cast of ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' runs the gamut from [[TheCape do-gooder "boy scout" heroes]] like Ray, to {{Pragmatic Hero}}es like Sara, to [[AntiHero well-intentioned but often selfish characters]] like Rip, to [[NobleDemon seemingly villainous characters with a hidden good side]] like Snart, all the way to [[HeroicComedicSociopath Mick Rory]], an unrepentent thief, murderer, and arsonist who only joins the team's ostensibly heroic mission because he likes the company and because it gives him lots of opportunities to indulge his violent tendencies.
18th Dec '16 1:17:23 PM nombretomado
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* ''CodeGeass'': There is ''one'' genuinely, unquestionably good person, [[RebelliousPrincess Euphemia]], ([[NaiveEverygirl Shirley]] is debatable, because while she is certainly kind-hearted and sweet, she is only concerned about her own feelings and school life while all hell is breaking loose outside, so she can come across as somewhat self-centred). At the same time, there is ''one'' genuinely, unquestionably evil person, [[BloodKnight Luciano Bradley]]. Every other character falls somewhere in between, with most of the "good guys" being flawed and somewhat hypocritical, and most of the "bad guys" being either fiercly nationalistic or a WellIntentionedExtremist.

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* ''CodeGeass'': ''Anime/CodeGeass'': There is ''one'' genuinely, unquestionably good person, [[RebelliousPrincess Euphemia]], ([[NaiveEverygirl Shirley]] is debatable, because while she is certainly kind-hearted and sweet, she is only concerned about her own feelings and school life while all hell is breaking loose outside, so she can come across as somewhat self-centred). At the same time, there is ''one'' genuinely, unquestionably evil person, [[BloodKnight Luciano Bradley]]. Every other character falls somewhere in between, with most of the "good guys" being flawed and somewhat hypocritical, and most of the "bad guys" being either fiercly fiercely nationalistic or a WellIntentionedExtremist.
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