Main Morality Kitchen Sink Discussion

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nighttrainfm
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09:56:50 AM Sep 17th 2017
If comic book universes as a whole count, would DC fit as well? It's generally thought of as 'cleaner' than Marvel, but it still pretty much runs the gamut. You've got Superman (and most of the Justice League) at the hero end, Darkseid at the "pure evil" end, and in between you have various shades of anti-heroes, villains with codes (Flash's Rogues in particular), etc.
JulianLapostat
10:04:31 AM Sep 17th 2017
Morality Kitchen Sink is one where "everyone has their reasons" and as the trope page makes clear: In short, none of the groups fit cleanly into the White-Gray-Black categorization, as all of them do things both good and evil with varying degrees of frequency. This generally makes for more dynamic stories, as you're never sure if the heroes will stay on the straight and narrow or villains will keep wreaking havoc.

I don't think the DC universe qualify. Actually, I doubt even the Marvel Universe for that matter. Stuff like Watchmen and other works, The Sandman and works of that kind would qualify. Maybe some individual arcs in Superhero comics, or particular events qualify but as a whole superhero comics are quite clear in their moral spectrum.

In The DC Universe there's no suspense about Batman killing people, we know Thou Shalt Not Kill, likewise, Prime!Superman won't go around killing people in main continuities either. IN the DC, you have Joker who is a psychopath and will always remain one, Darkseid will always be evil and so on...so there's nothing there.

Maybe something like Tower of Babel or one of the stories where Batman becomes a d—k and so on might work. And in Justice League cartoons you had the Cadmus arc where there was some gray area. But mostly it's just shoehorning.
NNinja
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11:17:11 AM Nov 3rd 2016
  • Magic Knight Rayearth falls into this when you take a look at it. The first season and especially the second season are mainly filled with protagonists and antagonist who are trying to save and protect the one thing that they care about and simply come into conflict because the others goals stand in the way. They range from the 3 heroes fighting to save a dying world to a villain willing to let said world die because to save the world a woman he loves will have to die to 3 different nations going to war for their own worlds' sake.
Are we sure this qualifies? I've seen this looong time ago, but as far as i rememeber there isn't anyone darker than morally grey. Magic Knights are good guys, the antagonists have all good reasons to be fighting( I remember one group fighting For the Lulz, but as far as i remember problem was solved by diplomacy, so even they don't really qualify as really evil). Without anyone close to evil end of the scale, this seems more like a case of White and Grey Morality.
RoseBride
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02:29:39 PM Oct 13th 2015
Kinda stupid question, but when a work qualifies to have this trope, all the other morality tropes (Black and White, Grey and Black etc.) should be erased from the work's trope page? or should be condensed into bullets from this one?
CarrieVS
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03:25:23 PM Sep 14th 2015
I just wanted to say how disappointed I am that this trope already exists, because I wanted to call it 'Fifty Shades Of Grey Morality'.

Not because I think that book is an example, just because puns make me giggle.

But someone went and called it this.
NNinja
11:00:10 AM Nov 3rd 2016
That would be beautifull alternative name.;)
Harmonex
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05:02:16 PM Oct 15th 2014
Trope namer?
PPPSSC
11:32:42 PM Oct 15th 2014
It's based on the "everything but the kitchen sink" expression (just like Fantasy Kitchen Sink) used to describe an expansive combination (as opposed to limiting itself to just white, black, and/or one or two shades of gray).
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