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11th Oct '17 1:25:04 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' is a inversion of this. It often talks of math and science with an infectious sense of awe and giddiness, demonstrated [[http://xkcd.com/877/ here]].

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* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' is a inversion of this. It often talks of math and science with an infectious sense of awe and giddiness, demonstrated [[http://xkcd.com/877/ here]].demonstrated here.]]



* Creator/EliezerYudkowsky argues against it under the title, "[[http://lesswrong.com/lw/oo/explaining_vs_explaining_away/ Explaining vs. Explaining Away]], with some follow up notes on taking [[http://lesswrong.com/lw/or/joy_in_the_merely_real/ Joy in the "Merely" Real]].

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* Creator/EliezerYudkowsky argues against it under the title, "[[http://lesswrong.com/lw/oo/explaining_vs_explaining_away/ Explaining vs. Explaining Away]], with some follow up notes on taking [[http://lesswrong.com/lw/or/joy_in_the_merely_real/ Joy in the "Merely" Real]].Real.]]



** The very concept of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty mathematical beauty]]" not only {{defie|dTrope}}s this trope, but [[InvertedTrope turns it on its head]]. People who aren't mathematically minded miss out on the beauty of something like Euler's identity, e[[superscript:iπ]]+1=0.[[note]]Think of it this way. When you start school, you learn about the number one, and about addition. Zero and multiplication come a little later. Then advance a few years and discover pi, and exponentiation. Finally, at the tail end of a high school education, you learn about natural logarithms and e, and complex numbers and i. Then you discover this little identity that pulls together more than a decade of diverse mathematical studies into one essentially simple expression. That's mathematical beauty.[[/note]]

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** The very concept of "[[http://en.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty mathematical beauty]]" "mathematical beauty"]] not only {{defie|dTrope}}s this trope, but [[InvertedTrope turns it on its head]]. People who aren't mathematically minded miss out on the beauty of something like Euler's identity, e[[superscript:iπ]]+1=0.[[note]]Think of it this way. When you start school, you learn about the number one, and about addition. Zero and multiplication come a little later. Then advance a few years and discover pi, and exponentiation. Finally, at the tail end of a high school education, you learn about natural logarithms and e, and complex numbers and i. Then you discover this little identity that pulls together more than a decade of diverse mathematical studies into one essentially simple expression. That's mathematical beauty.[[/note]]
11th Oct '17 1:23:32 PM WillKeaton
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* The creators of ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' say they frequently receive comments saying that by analyzing games they are sucking the fun out of them. Their response can be found [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLKVg-2d54c here]].

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* The creators of ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' say they frequently receive comments saying that by analyzing games they are sucking the fun out of them. Their response can be found [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLKVg-2d54c here]].found here.]]
11th Oct '17 1:21:35 PM WillKeaton
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** Creator/EdgarAllanPoe takes what's implicit in the poem and [[TakeThat makes it explicit]] in ''[[http://www.sonnets.org/poe.htm#100 To Science]]''.
** A scientist's rebuttal to Walt Whitman's poem is called "[[http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/whitman.html When I Heard the Learn'd Poet]]".

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** Creator/EdgarAllanPoe takes what's implicit in the poem and [[TakeThat makes it explicit]] in ''[[http://www.sonnets.org/poe.htm#100 To Science]]''.
Science.]]''
** A scientist's rebuttal to Walt Whitman's poem is called "[[http://www.[[http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/whitman.html When "When I Heard the Learn'd Poet]]".Poet."]]
10th Oct '17 2:01:00 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* Parodied in an early Garfield strip. After hearing Jon's farmer brother Doc Boy explain how potato chips are made, Garfield complains that knowing where food comes from means all the magic is gone.
23rd Sep '17 4:36:21 PM Gosicrystal
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* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'': N accuses Professor Juniper of "arbitrarily measuring and categorizing Pokemon without appreciating them". If you were reading Juniper's intro speech in the game's prologue, [[GenkiGirl you'd know this isn't the case]]. It's a mite hypocritical of N when he seems to view everything in terms of equations and formulas himself, even as it's clear that he has a deep appreciation for Pokemon.

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* ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'': N accuses Professor Juniper of "arbitrarily measuring and categorizing Pokemon Pokémon without appreciating them". If you were reading Juniper's intro speech in the game's prologue, [[GenkiGirl you'd know this isn't the case]]. It's a mite hypocritical of N when he seems to view everything in terms of equations and formulas himself, even as it's clear that he has a deep appreciation for Pokemon.Pokémon.
17th Sep '17 9:14:48 PM NOYB
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* ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'': in one episode the Vulcan officer is told to let the instruments record the data and simply enjoy the beauty of the brand new spacial thing they've discovered.

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* ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'': in In one episode the Vulcan officer is told to let the instruments record the data and simply enjoy the beauty of the brand new spacial thing they've discovered.
31st Jul '17 7:00:21 PM DarkHunter
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* Played with in ''Film/ShortCircuit''. Toward the end of the film, Newton is trying to figure out if Number 5 has really "come alive." He makes a Rorshcach blot with paper and tomato soup, trying to see if Number 5 sees past the scientific to see the marigolds:

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* Played with in ''Film/ShortCircuit''. Toward the end of the film, Newton is trying to figure out if Number 5 has really "come alive." He makes a Rorshcach blot with paper and tomato soup, trying to see if Number 5 sees past the scientific to see the marigolds:marigolds. It is foreshadowed earlier in the film that Number 5 has this capacity: though he regurgitates scientific information at the drop of a hat, he is also able to [[ThatCloudLooksLike see abstract shapes in clouds]], rather than just dismissing them as pockets of water vapor.
29th Jun '17 5:00:47 PM jamespolk
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Has nothing to do with the OtakuSurrogate character from ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'', or with the film ''The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-In-The-Moon Marigolds''.

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Has nothing to do with the OtakuSurrogate character from ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'', or with the film ''The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-In-The-Moon Marigolds''.
play ''Theatre/TheEffectOfGammaRaysOnManInTheMoonMarigolds''.
28th Jun '17 7:01:16 PM Theriocephalus
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* You needn't be an expert to get the feel for the inversion, either. Take trees: If you know next to nothing about them, you'll probably be able to distinguish two general types (evergreens and deciduous, roughly those that don't go bald in winter and those that do), and maybe pick out a couple specific types like maple and willow. Staring at the top of a forest is just a mass of green, nothing exciting or interesting about it. But start to study trees, to recognize the distinctions, to tell them apart from up close and then from farther away, and you start to pick out the fuzzy look of the longer needles on a pine, the bendy top and airy branches of a hemlock, the color of a Colorado blue spruce, the way the branches hang on a false cedar, the way the ground is littered with distinctive cones under a Douglasfir. And that's just the conifers/evergreens. When you have that much in your head, take a look at a forest again: still just a mass of indistinguishable green?.

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* You needn't be an expert to get the feel for the inversion, either. Take trees: If you know next to nothing about them, you'll probably be able to distinguish two general types (evergreens and deciduous, roughly those that don't go bald in winter and those that do), and maybe pick out a couple specific types like maple and willow. Staring at the top of a forest is just a mass of green, nothing exciting or interesting about it. But start to study trees, to recognize the distinctions, to tell them apart from up close and then from farther away, and you start to pick out the fuzzy look of the longer needles on a pine, the bendy top and airy branches of a hemlock, the color of a Colorado blue spruce, the way the branches hang on a false cedar, the way the ground is littered with distinctive cones under a Douglasfir.Douglas fir. And that's just the conifers/evergreens. When you have that much in your head, take a look at a forest again: still just a mass of indistinguishable green?. green?
15th Jun '17 4:41:54 AM StFan
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** He used it to justify his anti-god stance in the first story arc, . 'Alchemists are scientists, so we don't believe in vague things like God. [[{{Naytheist}} He hates me, incidentally.]]'

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** He used it to justify his anti-god stance in the first story arc, . 'Alchemists arc. "Alchemists are scientists, so we don't believe in vague things like God. [[{{Naytheist}} He hates me, incidentally.]]' ]]"



** Immediately after a baby is born, his reaction is to scream "That's awesome! LIFE IS AWESOME!!!,". Instead of talking about chemicals or instinctions or anything like that.

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** Immediately after a baby is born, his reaction is to scream "That's awesome! LIFE IS AWESOME!!!,". AWESOME!!!" Instead of talking about chemicals or instinctions or anything like that.



--> '''Mei Chan''': Birds are so lucky...they can fly wherever they want, I wish I could be a bird.
--> '''Edward''': A bird? That's lame. If you were a bird, you'd have flimsy hollow bones, and your brain would be the size of a pea. Not to mention the fact that you would be constantly crapping in mid-air to keep your weight down. Why would you want to be an animal like that?
--> '''Mei Chan''': Mr. Edward, you're not very popular with girls, are you?
--> '''Edward''': That's ridiculous! How could an ''intellectual'' like me not be popular!

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--> '''Mei Chan''': --->'''Mei Chan:''' Birds are so lucky...they can fly wherever they want, I wish I could be a bird.
--> '''Edward''':
bird.\\
'''Edward:'''
A bird? That's lame. If you were a bird, you'd have flimsy hollow bones, and your brain would be the size of a pea. Not to mention the fact that you would be constantly crapping in mid-air to keep your weight down. Why would you want to be an animal like that?
-->
that?\\
'''Mei Chan''': Chan:''' Mr. Edward, you're not very popular with girls, are you?
--> '''Edward''':
you?\\
'''Edward:'''
That's ridiculous! How could an ''intellectual'' like me not be popular!



* ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}''

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* ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}''''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}''



-->'''Spider-Man''': I think I've got this. It's mass, acceleration, leverage and a knowledge of human biology. That's science, and I'm great at science.\\
'''Shang Chi''': No, Spider-Man, it is so much more. This is no mere application of brute force. It is an art, and an expression of the self.\\
'''Spider-Man''': What if most of myself is science?

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-->'''Spider-Man''': -->'''Spider-Man:''' I think I've got this. It's mass, acceleration, leverage and a knowledge of human biology. That's science, and I'm great at science.\\
'''Shang Chi''': Chi:''' No, Spider-Man, it is so much more. This is no mere application of brute force. It is an art, and an expression of the self.\\
'''Spider-Man''': '''Spider-Man:''' What if most of myself is science?



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* One ''ComicStrip/{{BC}}'' character (probably Thor) neatly torpedoed his own chances of getting lucky by responding to a comment on the beauty of the moon rising by saying it's an illusion caused by the Earth's rotation. Cue him shouting at the retreating Cute Chick, "BUT IT IS STILL ROMANTIC, OH SOOOO ROMANTIC!" in a futile effort to recover the magic.
* Referenced in the ''ComicStrip/FoxTrot'' arc where Andy becomes obsessed with the film ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'', to the point that Roger worries about her. Jason begins describing production trivia to her ("Did you know the scenes with everyone drowning were filmed in a heated indoor pool, and their foggy breath was added by computers?" and so on). Andy accuses Jason of trying to ruin her enjoyment of the film. The final panel has Jason telling Roger, "She's onto us. Do I still get paid?"
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-->'''Newton Crosby''': Number 5, What do you make of this?
-->'''Number 5''': Hmmm... Wood pulp, plant - vegetable - tomato, water, salt, monosodium glutamate...
-->'''Newton Crosby''': (Disappointed) Okay, thank you. Now you're talking like a robot.
-->({{Beat}})
-->'''Number 5''': ...and resemble - look like - butterfly, bird, maple leaf!

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-->'''Newton Crosby''': Crosby:''' Number 5, What do you make of this?
-->'''Number 5''':
this?\\
'''Number 5:'''
Hmmm... Wood pulp, plant - -- vegetable - -- tomato, water, salt, monosodium glutamate...
-->'''Newton Crosby''': (Disappointed)
glutamate...\\
'''Newton Crosby:''' ''[disappointed]''
Okay, thank you. Now you're talking like a robot.
-->({{Beat}})
-->'''Number 5''': ...
robot.\\
''[{{beat}}]''\\
'''Number 5:''' ...
and resemble - look like - butterfly, bird, maple leaf! leaf!



* ''Literature/SherlockHolmes'' is a PlayingWithATrope. He was always complaining about how Watson kept writing the adventures in a dramatic fashion rather than focusing on the meaningful facts but he has his own flair for the dramatic. He claims he only has useful and practical information in his head and yet he is fascinated by those fields he deems practical.

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* ''Literature/SherlockHolmes'' is a PlayingWithATrope. He was always complaining about how Watson kept writing the adventures in a dramatic fashion rather than focusing on the meaningful facts facts, but he has his own flair for the dramatic. He claims he only has useful and practical information in his head and yet he is fascinated by those fields he deems practical.



** In "The Lion's Mane," Holmes admits that Watson's storytelling is needed to fully engage the reader's interest rather than a straightforward depiction of cold facts.
* The character Dee Dee Six in the Philip Ridley book ''MightyFizzChilla'' is like this. At one point she says things like food don't matter to her beyond nutritional value - she could eat a banquet or take some vitamin pills and it would be the same to her.

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** In "The Lion's Mane," Mane", Holmes admits that Watson's storytelling is needed to fully engage the reader's interest rather than a straightforward depiction of cold facts.
* The character Dee Dee Six in the Philip Ridley book ''MightyFizzChilla'' ''Literature/MightyFizzChilla'' is like this. At one point she says things like food don't matter to her beyond nutritional value - she could eat a banquet or take some vitamin pills and it would be the same to her.



-->'''Sherlock:''' ''(looking at the stars)'' "Beautiful isn't it?"
-->'''John:''' "I thought you didn't care about-"
-->'''Sherlock:''' "Doesn't mean I can't appreciate it."

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-->'''Sherlock:''' ''(looking ''[looking at the stars)'' "Beautiful stars]'' Beautiful, isn't it?"
-->'''John:''' "I
it?\\
'''John:''' I
thought you didn't care about-"
-->'''Sherlock:''' "Doesn't
about--\\
'''Sherlock:''' Doesn't
mean I can't appreciate it."



* Creator/CarlSagan's ''Series/CosmosAPersonalVoyage'' is, in its entirety, a repudiation of this {{Trope}}. In fact, it might be seen as espousing the opposite - seeing as you are made of trillions of highly evolved cells equipped with ludicrously complex molecular machinery, the components of which, as well as nearly everything else, were made from the ashes of long-dead stars, that we can transcend time and death by reading... The most mundane events are suddenly much more profound and wonderful. As Carl Sagan once said, it takes away nothing of the romance of a sunset if you know a bit about how it works.

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* Creator/CarlSagan's ''Series/CosmosAPersonalVoyage'' is, in its entirety, a repudiation of this {{Trope}}. In fact, it might be seen as espousing the opposite - -- seeing as you are made of trillions of highly evolved cells equipped with ludicrously complex molecular machinery, the components of which, as well as nearly everything else, were made from the ashes of long-dead stars, that we can transcend time and death by reading... The most mundane events are suddenly much more profound and wonderful. As Carl Sagan once said, it takes away nothing of the romance of a sunset if you know a bit about how it works.



-->'''Brennan''': Booth has a bigger mandible and a more prominent zygomatic than Fisher, as well as a more pronounced ratio between the width of his clavicles and his ilia.\\
'''Angela''': So, it's because Booth is hot? Now we're getting somewhere.

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-->'''Brennan''': -->'''Brennan:''' Booth has a bigger mandible and a more prominent zygomatic than Fisher, as well as a more pronounced ratio between the width of his clavicles and his ilia.\\
'''Angela''': '''Angela:''' So, it's because Booth is hot? Now we're getting somewhere.






[[folder:Newspaper Comics]]
* One ''ComicStrip/{{BC}}'' character (probably Thor) neatly torpedoed his own chances of getting lucky by responding to a comment on the beauty of the moon rising by saying it's an illusion caused by the Earth's rotation. Cue him shouting at the retreating Cute Chick, "BUT IT IS STILL ROMANTIC, OH SOOOO ROMANTIC!" in a futile effort to recover the magic.
* Referenced in the ''ComicStrip/FoxTrot'' arc where Andy becomes obsessed with the film ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'', to the point that Roger worries about her. Jason begins describing production trivia to her ("Did you know the scenes with everyone drowning were filmed in a heated indoor pool, and their foggy breath was added by computers?" and so on). Andy accuses Jason of trying to ruin her enjoyment of the film. The final panel has Jason telling Roger, "She's onto us. Do I still get paid?"
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