History Main / MeasuringTheMarigolds

21st Nov '16 6:37:41 PM merotoker
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* One ComicBook/FantasticFour story had a villain steal not the intelligence, but the creativity of Reed Richards, who is regarded as one of the most intelligent men in the MarvelUniverse. He found himself shocked to discover that he couldn't even stare at a flower without being hit by the sheer sense of wonder Richards feels at the existence of all things!

to:

* One ComicBook/FantasticFour story had a villain steal not the intelligence, but the creativity of Reed Richards, who is regarded as one of the most intelligent men in the MarvelUniverse.Franchise/MarvelUniverse. He found himself shocked to discover that he couldn't even stare at a flower without being hit by the sheer sense of wonder Richards feels at the existence of all things!



* ''GreenLantern'': Krona is in love with this trope. Coupled with his trademark impatience, it has led him to stumble on disaster after disaster because, unlike the aversions below, he ''insists'' on quantifying and qualifying everything, and is ''especially'' devoted to having a meaningful conversation with the sentience of the universe. The few times he's granted his wish, he is chided for his simplistic approach and rebuffed for his ignorance.

to:

* ''GreenLantern'': ''Franchise/GreenLantern'': Krona is in love with this trope. Coupled with his trademark impatience, it has led him to stumble on disaster after disaster because, unlike the aversions below, he ''insists'' on quantifying and qualifying everything, and is ''especially'' devoted to having a meaningful conversation with the sentience of the universe. The few times he's granted his wish, he is chided for his simplistic approach and rebuffed for his ignorance.






* In ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'', a fan-made RPG about playing {{Mad Scientist}}s in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'', this sort of behavior is associated with plummetting down the KarmaMeter. It becomes quite horrific due to its being combined with an increasing disinterest in humans as anything other than [[HumanResources spare parts or test subjects]]. One of the given examples of a low-Obligation Genius has him trapping someone in a restraining machine and [[FacialHorror peeling off their face]] to watch the way their muscles work more easily, hooking them up to a machine that keeps them alive through this only while he's interested in his study.

to:

* In ''TabletopGame/GeniusTheTransgression'', a fan-made RPG about playing {{Mad Scientist}}s in the ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'', this sort of behavior is associated with plummetting plummeting down the KarmaMeter. It becomes quite horrific due to its being combined with an increasing disinterest in humans as anything other than [[HumanResources spare parts or test subjects]]. One of the given examples of a low-Obligation Genius has him trapping someone in a restraining machine and [[FacialHorror peeling off their face]] to watch the way their muscles work more easily, hooking them up to a machine that keeps them alive through this only while he's interested in his study.



* Played with in Film/ShortCircuit. Toward the end of the film, Newton is trying to figure out if Number 5 has really "come alive." He makes a Rorshcach blot with paper and tomato soup, trying to see if Number 5 sees past the scientific to see the marigolds:

to:

* Played with in Film/ShortCircuit.''Film/ShortCircuit''. Toward the end of the film, Newton is trying to figure out if Number 5 has really "come alive." He makes a Rorshcach blot with paper and tomato soup, trying to see if Number 5 sees past the scientific to see the marigolds:



** Creator/EdgarAllanPoe's takes what's implicit in the poem and [[TakeThat makes it explicit]] in ''[[http://www.sonnets.org/poe.htm#100 To Science]]''.
** A scientist's rebuttal to Walt Whitman's pome is called "[[http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/whitman.html When I Heard the Learn'd Poet]]"

to:

** Creator/EdgarAllanPoe's Creator/EdgarAllanPoe takes what's implicit in the poem and [[TakeThat makes it explicit]] in ''[[http://www.sonnets.org/poe.htm#100 To Science]]''.
** A scientist's rebuttal to Walt Whitman's pome poem is called "[[http://www.scottaaronson.com/writings/whitman.html When I Heard the Learn'd Poet]]"



* In ''Literature/BreakfastOfChampions'', there's a scene where [[MakesSenseInContext the author]] is attacked by a dog. Creator/KurtVonnegut spends two full pages on a ridiculously detailed and brilliantly dramatic explanation of what happens biochemically in his nervous system, body and brain from the time he sees the dog until he jumps over a car.

to:

* In ''Literature/BreakfastOfChampions'', there's a scene where [[MakesSenseInContext [[ItMakesSenseInContext the author]] is attacked by a dog. Creator/KurtVonnegut spends two full pages on a ridiculously detailed and brilliantly dramatic explanation of what happens biochemically in his nervous system, body and brain from the time he sees the dog until he jumps over a car.



* [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins]] wrote "Unweaving the Rainbow" about this idea and went to great lengths to show how understanding the underlying rules and processes behind everyday objects adds layers of fascination and beauty rather than taking them away.

to:

* [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Richard Dawkins]] UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins wrote "Unweaving the Rainbow" about this idea and went to great lengths to show how understanding the underlying rules and processes behind everyday objects adds layers of fascination and beauty rather than taking them away.
away.



* ''Into The Universe with StephenHawking'' is a show on space and time that's framed as a peek into the titular physicist's mind. It is gorgeous in there.

to:

* ''Into The Universe with StephenHawking'' Creator/StephenHawking'' is a show on space and time that's framed as a peek into the titular physicist's mind. It is gorgeous in there.



* A recuring theme in ''Series/MastersOfSex''. The scientific study about human sexual response gets regularly accused of this, to which Bill masterfully replies why love is out of any "ecuation" with a poetical analogy about Newtonian dynamics and Einstein's. "Love is the very fabric of it all, the curvature of our desire."

to:

* A recuring recurring theme in ''Series/MastersOfSex''. The scientific study about human sexual response gets regularly accused of this, to which Bill masterfully replies why love is out of any "ecuation" with a poetical analogy about Newtonian dynamics and Einstein's. "Love is the very fabric of it all, the curvature of our desire."



* TvTropes itself.

to:

* TvTropes Wiki/TvTropes itself.



** We have a page called TvTropesWillEnhanceYourLife because spotting tropes and admiring how an author built a story is part of your enjoyement of the story. Better yet, it gives you the tools to analyze and explain to others why you liked or did not like a piece rather than relying on "Eh, I just didn't like it."

to:

** We have a page called TvTropesWillEnhanceYourLife because spotting tropes and admiring how an author built a story is part of your enjoyement enjoyment of the story. Better yet, it gives you the tools to analyze and explain to others why you liked or did not like a piece rather than relying on "Eh, I just didn't like it."



*** On one hand, pointing out research failures is usually because of a demand for accuracy rather than for intrinsic entertainment. ArtisticLicense, RuleOfCool[=/=]RuleOfFun[=/=]whatever, will often be dismissed as 'the easy way out', neglecting the fact that good fiction uses these {{trope}}s just as often as bad fiction. It's ''fictional'' - there's no prizes for getting every detail correct. They don't seem to get that TropesAreNotBad, and that we're here to ''celebrate'' popular fiction. Indeed, half of the Wiki is now AwesomeMoments, FunnyMoments, HeartwarmingMoments and their kin, which is basically the internet's repository of stuff people like just because they like it.

to:

*** On one hand, pointing out research failures is usually because of a demand for accuracy rather than for intrinsic entertainment. ArtisticLicense, RuleOfCool[=/=]RuleOfFun[=/=]whatever, will often be dismissed as 'the easy way out', neglecting the fact that good fiction uses these {{trope}}s just as often as bad fiction. It's ''fictional'' - there's no prizes for getting every detail correct. They don't seem to get that TropesAreNotBad, [[TropesAreTools Tropes Are Not Bad]], and that we're here to ''celebrate'' popular fiction. Indeed, half of the Wiki is now AwesomeMoments, FunnyMoments, HeartwarmingMoments and their kin, which is basically the internet's repository of stuff people like just because they like it.



* [[http://www.toonzone.net/2009/07/crowning-moment-of-annoyance-tv-tropes/ This blog entry]] -- the last paragraph directly accuses TVTropes of ruining fiction:
-->But the heart of the problem is that TVTropes takes good, challenging fiction and removes its identity as an individual piece of work. ... Nothing more quickly removes the fun and charm of something born from human emotion and creativity than to strip it down into cold and clinical statistics presented out of context.
* This is basically what people who study {{Literature}}, music, art, etc. do for a living, and just like the science examples, just try going up to a {{Literature}} professor and telling them that their understanding of the mechanics of plot, characterization, themes, and wordplay means they do not feel the same spark of wonder. A good example is Shakespearean comedies - before studying them and their context, you'll get about a tenth of the jokes. Some people think that the guy laughing on his own in the theatre is showing off, because as DontExplainTheJoke suggests, you can't genuinely enjoy a joke that's been explained to you.

to:

* [[http://www.toonzone.net/2009/07/crowning-moment-of-annoyance-tv-tropes/ This blog entry]] -- the last paragraph directly accuses TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes of ruining fiction:
-->But the heart of the problem is that TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes takes good, challenging fiction and removes its identity as an individual piece of work. ... Nothing more quickly removes the fun and charm of something born from human emotion and creativity than to strip it down into cold and clinical statistics presented out of context.
* This is basically what people who study {{Literature}}, {{literature}}, music, art, etc. do for a living, and just like the science examples, just try going up to a {{Literature}} {{literature}} professor and telling them that their understanding of the mechanics of plot, characterization, themes, and wordplay means they do not feel the same spark of wonder. A good example is Shakespearean comedies - before studying them and their context, you'll get about a tenth of the jokes. Some people think that the guy laughing on his own in the theatre is showing off, because as DontExplainTheJoke suggests, you can't genuinely enjoy a joke that's been explained to you.






* RiloKiley's song "Science Vs. Romance" possibly references this: "I used to think, if I could realize I'd die, then I would be a lot nicer," and "Used to believe, in a lot more. Now I just see straight ahead". However, it's about a scientist trying to regain his feelings again, evidenced by the line "Facts vs. romance, you go and call yourself the boss, but we're not robots inside a grid."''
* Music/FlamingLips songs from the "Clouds Taste Metalic" and "The Soft Bulletin" era, are often ocuppied with demonstrating the beauty that lies between emotions and chemistry. Most notably are When You Smile: "Every single molecule is right, when /All of the subatomic pieces come together/ and unfold themselves in a second" and the title of the song "What Is the Light?" ("An Untested Hypothesis Suggesting That the Chemical [In Our Brains] by Which We Are Able to Experience the Sensation of Being in Love Is the Same Chemical That Caused the "Big Bang" That Was the Birth of the Accelerating Universe").

to:

* RiloKiley's Music/RiloKiley's song "Science Vs. Romance" possibly references this: "I used to think, if I could realize I'd die, then I would be a lot nicer," and "Used to believe, in a lot more. Now I just see straight ahead". However, it's about a scientist trying to regain his feelings again, evidenced by the line "Facts vs. romance, you go and call yourself the boss, but we're not robots inside a grid."''
* Music/FlamingLips songs from the "Clouds Taste Metalic" and "The Soft Bulletin" era, are often ocuppied occupied with demonstrating the beauty that lies between emotions and chemistry. Most notably are When You Smile: "Every single molecule is right, when /All of the subatomic pieces come together/ and unfold themselves in a second" and the title of the song "What Is the Light?" ("An Untested Hypothesis Suggesting That the Chemical [In Our Brains] by Which We Are Able to Experience the Sensation of Being in Love Is the Same Chemical That Caused the "Big Bang" That Was the Birth of the Accelerating Universe").



* Referenced in the ''ComicStrip/{{FoxTrot}}'' arc where Andy becomes obsessed with the film ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'', to the point that Roger worries about her. Jason begins describing production trivia to her ("Did you know the scenes with everyone drowning were filmed in a heated indoor pool, and their foggy breath was added by computers?" and so on). Andy accuses Jason of trying to ruin her enjoyment of the film. The final panel has Jason telling Roger, "She's onto us. Do I still get paid?"

to:

* Referenced in the ''ComicStrip/{{FoxTrot}}'' ''ComicStrip/FoxTrot'' arc where Andy becomes obsessed with the film ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'', to the point that Roger worries about her. Jason begins describing production trivia to her ("Did you know the scenes with everyone drowning were filmed in a heated indoor pool, and their foggy breath was added by computers?" and so on). Andy accuses Jason of trying to ruin her enjoyment of the film. The final panel has Jason telling Roger, "She's onto us. Do I still get paid?"



[[folder:Theater]]
* Creator/PennAndTeller at one point had a part of their stage show in which Teller would climb into a complex contraption of interconnected boxes and poke his head and limbs out in various impossible-seeming configurations while Penn manipulated and rearranged the boxes, all set to music in a sort of magic-trick-cum-dance-routine. It was impressive but not so different from anything you'd see at a magic show. Then they turn the entire contraption around to show that its back side is transparent, and do the entire routine again so that the audience can see just exactly how much skill and dexterity the trick required, particularly from Teller. It was ''amazing.''
* The musical adaptation of "Literature/TheSnowQueen" (no, not ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'') has Kai, the boy taken by the queen, only find mathematical equations and numbers purer than his dirty city, rejecting the time he and Gerta (the protagonist) together as "childish" and dismissing her as "too stupid to understand". He's used by the Queen to solve mathematical equations: the biggest one of them all is solving eternity. Gerta brings him back from cold rationality with love, and [[spoiler:love is the answer to eternity.]]
[[/folder]]



[[folder:Web Comics]]
* ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'',
** The animals of Gillitie Wood think the Court scientists' study of magic makes it less beautiful.
** Conversely, many Court scientists feel that refusing to even attempt to explain how things work is a disservice to the beauty of their complexity.
%%* ''Webcomic/AbstruseGoose'': [[http://abstrusegoose.com/275 This is how scientists see the world.]] The strip does not, however, carry this trope throughout.
* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' is a inversion of this. It often talks of math and science with an infectious sense of awe and giddiness, demonstrated [[http://xkcd.com/877/ here]].
* ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'': Clinton inverts it, arguing that you can't truly appreciate the marigolds until you've measured them.

to:

[[folder:Web Comics]]
[[folder:Theater]]
* ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'',
** The animals of Gillitie Wood think the Court scientists' study of magic makes it less beautiful.
** Conversely, many Court scientists feel that refusing to even attempt to explain how things work is
Creator/PennAndTeller at one point had a disservice to the beauty part of their complexity.
%%* ''Webcomic/AbstruseGoose'': [[http://abstrusegoose.com/275 This
stage show in which Teller would climb into a complex contraption of interconnected boxes and poke his head and limbs out in various impossible-seeming configurations while Penn manipulated and rearranged the boxes, all set to music in a sort of magic-trick-cum-dance-routine. It was impressive but not so different from anything you'd see at a magic show. Then they turn the entire contraption around to show that its backside is transparent, and do the entire routine again so that the audience can see just exactly how scientists see much skill and dexterity the world.]] trick required, particularly from Teller. It was ''amazing.''
*
The strip does not, however, carry this trope throughout.
* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' is a inversion
musical adaptation of this. It often talks of math "Literature/TheSnowQueen" (no, not ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'') has Kai, the boy taken by the queen, only find mathematical equations and science numbers purer than his dirty city, rejecting the time he and Gerta (the protagonist) together as "childish" and dismissing her as "too stupid to understand". He's used by the Queen to solve mathematical equations: the biggest one of them all is solving eternity. Gerta brings him back from cold rationality with an infectious sense of awe love, and giddiness, demonstrated [[http://xkcd.com/877/ here]].
* ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'': Clinton inverts it, arguing that you can't truly appreciate
[[spoiler:love is the marigolds until you've measured them.answer to eternity]].



[[folder:Web Original]]
* MrDeity accused Lucifer of this when she explained to him that Penn & Teller don't really have magic powers.
* Inverted by WebVideo/SymphonyOfScience which is nothing but various scientists [[{{Squee}} gushing]] about how awesome the world and its mechanics are, [[AutoTune Auto-Tuned]] and set to music.
* EliezerYudkowsky argues against it under the title, "[[http://lesswrong.com/lw/oo/explaining_vs_explaining_away/ Explaining vs. Explaining Away]], with some follow up notes on taking [[http://lesswrong.com/lw/or/joy_in_the_merely_real/ Joy in the "Merely" Real]].
* Sign up for a few skeptical and science podcasts, such as ''Podcast/{{Skeptoid}}'', TheSkepticsGuideToTheUniverse, or indeed any other. Sure, there may be the occasional attack on pseudoscience and alternative medicine, but most of the content is very bright people waxing lyrical about how cool a new discovery, newly realized aspect of the natural world, or just learning something you never knew is. Generally, but not always, attacks on "believers" are reserved for those who try to use law to mandate their view or who sell a product with no proven benefits, especially in the fields of medicine and nutrition.
* Both of Music/HankGreen's Youtube science shows avert this, with WebVideo/SciShow focusing on science news and ideas Hank Green finds cool, while WebVideo/CrashCourse Biology, Ecology, and Chemistry taking a more targeted approach at various scientific disciplines. Part of what makes it work is Green's obvious enthusiasm
* WebVideo/TheBrainScoop makes biology and taxidermy fascinating through [[{{Adorkable}} Emily Graslie's]] obvious love for discovering new things
[[/folder]]



[[folder:Web Comics]]
* ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'',
** The animals of Gillitie Wood think the Court scientists' study of magic makes it less beautiful.
** Conversely, many Court scientists feel that refusing to even attempt to explain how things work is a disservice to the beauty of their complexity.
%%* ''Webcomic/AbstruseGoose'': [[http://abstrusegoose.com/275 This is how scientists see the world.]] The strip does not, however, carry this trope throughout.
* ''Webcomic/{{xkcd}}'' is a inversion of this. It often talks of math and science with an infectious sense of awe and giddiness, demonstrated [[http://xkcd.com/877/ here]].
* ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'': Clinton inverts it, arguing that you can't truly appreciate the marigolds until you've measured them.
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Web Original]]
* WebVideo/MrDeity accused Lucifer of this when she explained to him that Penn & Teller don't really have magic powers.
* Inverted by WebVideo/SymphonyOfScience which is nothing but various scientists [[{{Squee}} gushing]] about how awesome the world and its mechanics are, [[AutoTune Auto-Tuned]] and set to music.
* Creator/EliezerYudkowsky argues against it under the title, "[[http://lesswrong.com/lw/oo/explaining_vs_explaining_away/ Explaining vs. Explaining Away]], with some follow up notes on taking [[http://lesswrong.com/lw/or/joy_in_the_merely_real/ Joy in the "Merely" Real]].
* Sign up for a few skeptical and science podcasts, such as ''Podcast/{{Skeptoid}}'', Podcast/TheSkepticsGuideToTheUniverse, or indeed any other. Sure, there may be the occasional attack on pseudoscience and alternative medicine, but most of the content is very bright people waxing lyrical about how cool a new discovery, newly realized aspect of the natural world, or just learning something you never knew is. Generally, but not always, attacks on "believers" are reserved for those who try to use law to mandate their view or who sell a product with no proven benefits, especially in the fields of medicine and nutrition.
* Both of Creator/HankGreen's Website/YouTube science shows avert this, with WebVideo/SciShow focusing on science news and ideas Hank Green finds cool, while WebVideo/CrashCourse Biology, Ecology, and Chemistry taking a more targeted approach at various scientific disciplines. Part of what makes it work is Green's obvious enthusiasm
* WebVideo/TheBrainScoop makes biology and taxidermy fascinating through [[{{Adorkable}} Emily Graslie's]] obvious love for discovering new things
[[/folder]]



* Amazo in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague''. He started out as a blank-slate nanotechnology android capable of analyzing people to internally reproduce aspects of them. Lex Luthor manipulated him into doing his dirty work, and Amazo proved to be a serious threat because he could copy the powers of every superhero he encountered, then further evolve to become immune to their vulnerabilities. Eventually, he discovered Lex's manipulations, grew disillusioned, and left Earth, calling it insignificant. Some time later, after essentially evolving into a PhysicalGod, he returned to Earth, creating [[OhCrap massive panic]] among the Justice League, until it turned out he was struggling through an existential crisis, having obtained unimaginable power but not knowing what to do with it. Doctor Fate took him in, hoping to teach the android how to appreciate life and find a purpose for himself.

to:

* Amazo in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague''. He started out as a blank-slate nanotechnology android capable of analyzing people to internally reproduce aspects of them. Lex Luthor manipulated him into doing his dirty work, and Amazo proved to be a serious threat because he could copy the powers of every superhero he encountered, then further evolve to become immune to their vulnerabilities. Eventually, he discovered Lex's manipulations, grew disillusioned, and left Earth, calling it insignificant. Some time later, after essentially evolving into a PhysicalGod, he returned to Earth, creating [[OhCrap massive panic]] among the Justice League, until it turned out he was struggling through an existential crisis, having obtained unimaginable power but not knowing what to do with it. Doctor Fate ComicBook/DoctorFate took him in, hoping to teach the android how to appreciate life and find a purpose for himself.



-->'''Moe''': *fossil falls on him while he hits it* [[HypocriticalHumour I hope medical science can cure me!]]

to:

-->'''Moe''': *fossil falls on him while he hits it* [[HypocriticalHumour [[HypocriticalHumor I hope medical science can cure me!]]



* Velma in ScoobyDoo never believes the ScoobyDooHoax. In the second live action movie, she even stated that she only trusted the facts, and that finding out logical answers to problems was her true calling in life.

to:

* Velma in ScoobyDoo Franchise/ScoobyDoo never believes the ScoobyDooHoax. In [[Film/ScoobyDooMonstersUnleashed the second live action movie, movie]], she even stated that she only trusted the facts, and that finding out logical answers to problems was her true calling in life.



* ''TwasTheNightBeforeChristmas'': This is the message of the "Give Your Heart a Try" number though the later song "Hope and Hurry" does a lot to balance it out.

to:

* ''TwasTheNightBeforeChristmas'': ''WesternAnimation/TwasTheNightBeforeChristmas'': This is the message of the "Give Your Heart a Try" number though the later song "Hope and Hurry" does a lot to balance it out.



* In ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' this is how Kid Flash is portrayed in the episode "Denial", constantly explaining away everything done with magic, with science. In the [=DCU=], this is ''stupid'' because magic is common in this verse and several members of the Justice League use magic, such as Zatanna and her father. His perception is likely owed to the fact that the Flash family doesn't really have any magical villains, including Abra Kadabra who uses technological tricks to perform his seeming magic and was probably who Kid Flash had in mind when going through one of his diatribes (Klarion the Witch Boy, who is spying on the group, even asks Abra, "Isn't that how you perform your tricks?")

to:

* In ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' this is how Kid Flash is portrayed in the episode "Denial", constantly explaining away everything done with magic, with science. In the [=DCU=], this is ''stupid'' because magic is common in this verse and several members of the Justice League use magic, such as Zatanna and her father. His perception is likely owed to the fact that the Flash family doesn't really have any magical villains, including Abra Kadabra [[ClarkesThirdLaw who uses technological tricks to perform his seeming magic magic]] and was probably who Kid Flash had in mind when going through one of his diatribes (Klarion the Witch Boy, who is spying on the group, even asks Abra, "Isn't that how you perform your tricks?")
tricks?")



** The very concept of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty mathematical beauty]]" not only [[DefiedTrope defies]] this trope, but [[InvertedTrope turns it on its head]]. People who aren't mathematically minded miss out on the beauty of something like Euler's identity, e[[superscript:iπ]]+1=0.[[note]]Think of it this way. When you start school, you learn about the number one, and about addition. Zero and multiplication come a little later. Then advance a few years and discover pi, and exponentiation. Finally, at the tail end of a high school education, you learn about natural logarithms and e, and complex numbers and i. Then you discover this little identity that pulls together more than a decade of diverse mathematical studies into one essentially simple expression. That's mathematical beauty.[[/note]]

to:

** The very concept of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_beauty mathematical beauty]]" not only [[DefiedTrope defies]] {{defie|dTrope}}s this trope, but [[InvertedTrope turns it on its head]]. People who aren't mathematically minded miss out on the beauty of something like Euler's identity, e[[superscript:iπ]]+1=0.[[note]]Think of it this way. When you start school, you learn about the number one, and about addition. Zero and multiplication come a little later. Then advance a few years and discover pi, and exponentiation. Finally, at the tail end of a high school education, you learn about natural logarithms and e, and complex numbers and i. Then you discover this little identity that pulls together more than a decade of diverse mathematical studies into one essentially simple expression. That's mathematical beauty.[[/note]]



* Film students often claim to be unable to enjoy films to a full degree because they're too busy analyzing them. Joaquin Phoenix commented on this shortly before the Oscars, saying that he rarely watches film anymore, due to knowing every trick and method that drives actors forward.

to:

* Film students often claim to be unable to enjoy films to a full degree because they're too busy analyzing them. Joaquin Phoenix Creator/JoaquinPhoenix commented on this shortly before the Oscars, saying that he rarely watches film anymore, due to knowing every trick and method that drives actors forward.



* After he received stories of people disillusioned by his book ''The Selfish Gene'', UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins wrote a counter to this viewpoint in the form of ''Unweaving The Rainbow''. It helped that not only did most people criticize ''The Selfish Gene'' purely from title alone, but those that did actually read it thought that he was endorsing a bleak [[SocialDarwinist dog-eat-dog]] philosophy of the world[[note]] The full argument being that, as humans, we are more than our genes, i.e. even if our genes program us to be selfish we can choose otherwise[[/note]], despite the fact that [[CriticalResearchFailure he explicitly said he wasn't doing this in the first chapter of the book]]. He also added a preface with that message when he found out the executives behind the ENRON scandal had cited the book as an excuse for their behavior.

to:

* After he received stories of people disillusioned by his book ''The Selfish Gene'', UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins wrote a counter to this viewpoint in the form of ''Unweaving The Rainbow''. It helped that not only did most people criticize ''The Selfish Gene'' purely from title alone, but those that did actually read it thought that he was endorsing a bleak [[SocialDarwinist [[TheSocialDarwinist dog-eat-dog]] philosophy of the world[[note]] The full argument being that, as humans, we are more than our genes, i.e. even if our genes program us to be selfish we can choose otherwise[[/note]], despite the fact that [[CriticalResearchFailure he explicitly said he wasn't doing this in the first chapter of the book]]. He also added a preface with that message when he found out the executives behind the ENRON scandal had cited the book as an excuse for their behavior.



* The Discovery Channel is dedicated to measuring marigolds (some might say [[NetworkDecay it used to be]]), but that didn't keep them from celebrating [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at_f98qOGY0 how awesome the world can be]].

to:

* The Discovery Channel Creator/DiscoveryChannel is dedicated to measuring marigolds (some might say [[NetworkDecay it used to be]]), but that didn't keep them from celebrating [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at_f98qOGY0 how awesome the world can be]].
18th Nov '16 9:13:53 PM eowynjedi
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* In the final episode of ''Series/FromTheEarthToTheMoon'', Gene Cernan complains that Jack Schmidt spent much of his time on humanity's last moonwalk (to date) just staring at the ground, while he was entranced by the sight of the Earth. Schmidt then says that staring at the ground was ''just'' as entrancing--as a geologist by training, he could perceive the billions of years in those rocks.
23rd Oct '16 12:04:13 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Jacob Bronowski's ''The Ascent Of Man'' is described by CharlieBrooker as being like "taking a warm bath in University juice."

to:

* Jacob Bronowski's ''The Ascent Of Man'' is described by CharlieBrooker Creator/CharlieBrooker as being like "taking a warm bath in University juice."



* Inverted on ''NorthernExposure'': Ed Chigliak, MagicalNativeAmerican, artist, and {{bishonen}}, hates computers, until he realizes that ones and zeros are just like his people's view that the universe is made up of two things: Nothing, and everything.

to:

* Inverted on ''NorthernExposure'': ''Series/NorthernExposure'': Ed Chigliak, MagicalNativeAmerican, artist, and {{bishonen}}, hates computers, until he realizes that ones and zeros are just like his people's view that the universe is made up of two things: Nothing, and everything.
14th Oct '16 3:33:36 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The creators of ''WebVideo/ExtraCredits'' say they frequently receive comments saying that by analyzing games they are sucking the fun out of them. Their response can be found [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLKVg-2d54c here]].

to:

* The creators of ''WebVideo/ExtraCredits'' ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'' say they frequently receive comments saying that by analyzing games they are sucking the fun out of them. Their response can be found [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLKVg-2d54c here]].
27th Sep '16 1:57:11 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Both of Music/HankGreen's Youtube science shows avert this, with SciShow focusing on science news and ideas Hank Green finds cool, while WebVideo/CrashCourse Biology, Ecology, and Chemistry taking a more targeted approach at various scientific disciplines. Part of what makes it work is Green's obvious enthusiasm

to:

* Both of Music/HankGreen's Youtube science shows avert this, with SciShow WebVideo/SciShow focusing on science news and ideas Hank Green finds cool, while WebVideo/CrashCourse Biology, Ecology, and Chemistry taking a more targeted approach at various scientific disciplines. Part of what makes it work is Green's obvious enthusiasm
25th Sep '16 4:31:14 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Overuse of this theme was one of the many criticisms leveled at the OldWorldOfDarkness games.

to:

* Overuse of this theme was one of the many criticisms leveled at the OldWorldOfDarkness TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness games.
24th Sep '16 4:30:49 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** ''ChangelingTheDreaming'' characters were vulnerable to "Banality", which in practice meant that inhaling while too close to an accountant could harm or even destroy their souls. It was also [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistent]] on this point, as for every book that treated a slide rule as just as bad as [[WeaksauceWeakness cold iron]], there was a source book where the [[MadScientist nockers]] pointed out it was the moon landing that resulted in the biggest rush of Glamour most changelings had seen in their lifetimes, or a sample [[{{Hobbits}} boggan]] ''accountant'' who resisted Banality through his profession because he took joy in numbers.

to:

** ''ChangelingTheDreaming'' ''TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming'' characters were vulnerable to "Banality", which in practice meant that inhaling while too close to an accountant could harm or even destroy their souls. It was also [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistent]] on this point, as for every book that treated a slide rule as just as bad as [[WeaksauceWeakness cold iron]], there was a source book where the [[MadScientist nockers]] pointed out it was the moon landing that resulted in the biggest rush of Glamour most changelings had seen in their lifetimes, or a sample [[{{Hobbits}} boggan]] ''accountant'' who resisted Banality through his profession because he took joy in numbers.
18th Sep '16 7:19:40 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' had the Technocracy, who started out as an evil conspiracy combining the worst features of ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the Agents from ''Film/TheMatrix'', every GovernmentConspiracy ever, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[EverybodyHatesMathematics an especially boring math class]]. (They receives a lot of CharacterDevelopment as the game-line went on.)
** ''ChangelingTheDreaming'' characters were vulnerable to "Banality", which in practice meant that inhaling while too close to an accountant could make their souls It was also [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistent]] on this point, as for every book that treated a slide rule as just as bad as [[WeaksauceWeakness cold iron]], there was a source book where the [[MadScientist nockers]] pointed out it was the moon landing that resulted in the biggest rush of Glamour most changelings had seen in their lifetimes, or a sample [[{{Hobbits}} boggan]] ''accountant'' who resisted Banality through his profession because he took joy in numbers.

to:

** ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'' had the Technocracy, who started out as an evil conspiracy combining the worst features of ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the Agents from ''Film/TheMatrix'', every GovernmentConspiracy ever, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[EverybodyHatesMathematics an especially boring math class]]. (They receives received a lot of CharacterDevelopment as the game-line went on.)
** ''ChangelingTheDreaming'' characters were vulnerable to "Banality", which in practice meant that inhaling while too close to an accountant could make harm or even destroy their souls souls. It was also [[DependingOnTheWriter inconsistent]] on this point, as for every book that treated a slide rule as just as bad as [[WeaksauceWeakness cold iron]], there was a source book where the [[MadScientist nockers]] pointed out it was the moon landing that resulted in the biggest rush of Glamour most changelings had seen in their lifetimes, or a sample [[{{Hobbits}} boggan]] ''accountant'' who resisted Banality through his profession because he took joy in numbers.
19th Aug '16 8:23:47 AM ChaoticNovelist
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Played with during a recent ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' arc where Spider-Man, having temporarily lost his spider-senses, agreed to let Shang Chi train him in martial arts to compensate. Spider-Man was able to grasp the scientific aspects of Shang Chi's teaching, but struggled a bit with the philosophical aspects.

to:

* Played with during a recent ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' arc where Spider-Man, having temporarily lost his spider-senses, agreed to let Shang Chi train him in martial arts to compensate. Spider-Man was able to grasp the scientific aspects of Shang Chi's teaching, but struggled a bit with the philosophical aspects.



* [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded in one episode of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''. The vulcan officer is told to let the instruments record the data and simply enjoy the beauty of the brand new spacial thing they've discovered.

to:

* [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'': in one episode of ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''. The the vulcan officer is told to let the instruments record the data and simply enjoy the beauty of the brand new spacial thing they've discovered.



* RiloKiley's song "Science Vs. Romance" possibly references this
-->''I used to think, if I could realize I'd die, then I would be a lot nicer,", "Used to believe, in a lot more. Now I just see straight ahead", but it's about a scientist trying to regain his feelings again, evidenced by the line "Facts vs. romance, you go and call yourself the boss, but we're not robots inside a grid."''

to:

* RiloKiley's song "Science Vs. Romance" possibly references this
-->''I
this: "I used to think, if I could realize I'd die, then I would be a lot nicer,", nicer," and "Used to believe, in a lot more. Now I just see straight ahead", but ahead". However, it's about a scientist trying to regain his feelings again, evidenced by the line "Facts vs. romance, you go and call yourself the boss, but we're not robots inside a grid."''



** The animals of Gillitie Wood think that of the Court scientists' study of magic.

to:

** The animals of Gillitie Wood think that of the Court scientists' study of magic.magic makes it less beautiful.



* ''Webcomic/AbstruseGoose'': [[http://abstrusegoose.com/275 This is how scientists see the world.]] The strip does not, however, carry this trope throughout.

to:

* %%* ''Webcomic/AbstruseGoose'': [[http://abstrusegoose.com/275 This is how scientists see the world.]] The strip does not, however, carry this trope throughout.



* Clinton from ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'' inverts it, arguing that you can't truly appreciate the marigolds until you've measured them.

to:

* ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'': Clinton from ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'' inverts it, arguing that you can't truly appreciate the marigolds until you've measured them.



** ''Feeling Pinkie Keen''. It is the first to feature [[SpiderSense The Pinkie Sense]] and Twilight tries to figure out how it works. She questions Pinkie about its mechanics, hooks her up to a machine, and then observes her to collect empirical data. The problem was she didn't want to ''study'' this new and fascinating magic but rather ''disprove'' it because she believed it to be closer to superstitution than magic. In the end she decides to give up and stop trying to figure out how it works.

to:

** ''Feeling Pinkie Keen''. It is the first to feature [[SpiderSense The Pinkie Sense]] and Twilight tries to figure out how it works. She questions Pinkie about its mechanics, hooks her up to a machine, and then observes her to collect empirical data. The problem was she didn't want to ''study'' this new and fascinating magic but rather ''disprove'' it because she believed it to be closer to superstitution than magic. In the end she decides to give up and stop trying to figure out how it works. Pinkie herself already had "down to a science", so to speak, she just didn't know what triggered it.



* It is a common complaint among new film or literature students that after they've become versed in the structure and common tropes of storytelling, they can't simply ''enjoy'' movies or books any more because they automatically start dissecting them. As with the magic show example given above, they feel that their SuspensionOfDisbelief has been crippled by the knowledge of how the illusions of fiction work. In fact, this phenomenon is a major part of why TVTropesWillRuinYourLife.

to:

* It is a common complaint among new film or literature students that after they've become versed in the structure and common tropes of storytelling, they can't simply ''enjoy'' movies or books any more because they automatically start dissecting them. As with the magic show example given above, they feel that their SuspensionOfDisbelief has been crippled by the knowledge of how the illusions of fiction work. In fact, this phenomenon is a major part of why TVTropesWillRuinYourLife. Also with the magic show example given above, discovering how much skill and creativity goes into creating film and literature can make the dissection part of the joy of the work. Then using that knowledge to create one's own can be an even greater joy. In fact, this phenomenon is a major part of why TVTropesWillEnhanceYourLife.



* [[GenericCuteness Cuteness]] being explained as a biological reaction to baby-like proportions kind of takes away the magic.

to:

* [[GenericCuteness Cuteness]] being explained as a biological reaction to baby-like proportions kind of takes away the magic.appeal, but does it make them any less cute?
17th Aug '16 10:26:50 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* A number of Website/FundiesSayTheDarndestThings quotes question how scientifically minded people can feel love (whether towards a person, a concept or a deity) if they believe it to be a neurological process rather than metaphysical in nature; the usual response is that this knowledge doesn't change the way it feels.
This list shows the last 10 events of 470. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.MeasuringTheMarigolds