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17th Oct '16 4:56:00 PM nombretomado
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* [[FireEmblemTellius Path of Radiance]] and beyond from the FireEmblem series. All characters have a Strength stat for determining damage with Physical Weapons and Speed Penalties from equipping a heavy weapon, and a Magic stat for determining damage with Magic Tomes and Magic Weapons, and effectiveness with Healing staves. While Tome users have enough Strength to squeak by without Speed Penalties, expect Weapon Users to have such pitifully low Magic that they'll do laughable damage with the few Magic Weapons you do get. Except for [[CombatMedic Mist]].

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* [[FireEmblemTellius [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Path of Radiance]] and beyond from the FireEmblem VideoGame/FireEmblem series. All characters have a Strength stat for determining damage with Physical Weapons and Speed Penalties from equipping a heavy weapon, and a Magic stat for determining damage with Magic Tomes and Magic Weapons, and effectiveness with Healing staves. While Tome users have enough Strength to squeak by without Speed Penalties, expect Weapon Users to have such pitifully low Magic that they'll do laughable damage with the few Magic Weapons you do get. Except for [[CombatMedic Mist]].
19th Aug '16 9:51:14 AM KantonKage
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* Kenpachi Zaraki of ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' is a physical powerhouse, able to defeat almost any opponent he faces with his overwhelming strength, but he is completely unable to tap into the higher-level zanpakuto abilities that the other Gotei 13 captains use on a regular basis. He also doesn't have access to Kido spells (though it may simply be hard to learn in the first place, as Ichigo and Renji also lack it).

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* Kenpachi Zaraki of ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'' is a physical powerhouse, able to defeat almost any opponent he faces with his overwhelming strength, but he is completely unable to tap into the higher-level zanpakuto abilities that the other Gotei 13 captains use on a regular basis. He also doesn't have access to Kido spells (though it may simply be hard to learn in the first place, as Ichigo and spells.
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Renji is also lack it). a formidable fighter but his Kido skills are lacking and he's constantly mocked for it.
16th Jul '16 2:46:29 AM Peteman
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* ''VideoGame/StarCraft'', the strongest units in terms of offensive power usually don't have any special abilities, such as the Battlecruiser, Archon, Siege Tank, or Ultralisk.

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* ''VideoGame/StarCraft'', the many of strongest units in terms of offensive power usually don't have any special abilities, such as the Battlecruiser, Archon, Siege Tank, or Ultralisk.
16th Jul '16 2:23:19 AM Sabrewing
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* Ramus in ''VideoGame/LunarTheSilverStar'' is a possible parody of this. The wizards of Black Rose Street don't identify a lick of magical potential within him, and as far as raw strength goes, he's a very, ''very'' short-term CrutchCharacter who is swiftly outclassed by Alex in damage output.
17th May '16 12:25:42 AM JustaUsername
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Justifications for this vary. Sometimes martial and magical prowess are not mutually exclusive by nature, but seldom go together because both take so much specialized training that few have the time and talent to master both. Sometimes it's enforced because ArmorAndMagicDontMix, so warriors would rather not waste time learning spells that they won't be able to use while armored. Sometime they became fighters because they aren't gifted with the mind to do great magic. Or maybe the magic-users in a given setting embrace a philosophy of [[TechnicalPacifist TechnicalPacifism]] that would be at odds with training to disembowel their enemies. Or maybe there's no in-story justification at all, which can lead to the FridgeLogic that if there is no major barrier between learning both the martial and arcane arts, why hasn't this character [[MagicKnight brushed up on their magic skills?]]

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Justifications for this vary. Sometimes martial and magical prowess are not mutually exclusive by nature, but seldom go together because both take so much specialized training that few have the time and talent to master both. Sometimes it's enforced because ArmorAndMagicDontMix, so warriors would rather not waste time learning spells that they won't be able to use while armored. Sometime they became fighters because they aren't gifted with the mind to do great magic. Or maybe the magic-users in a given setting embrace a philosophy of [[TechnicalPacifist TechnicalPacifism]] technical pacifism]] that would be at odds with training to disembowel their enemies. Or maybe there's no in-story justification at all, which can lead to the FridgeLogic that if there is no major barrier between learning both the martial and arcane arts, why hasn't this character [[MagicKnight brushed up on their magic skills?]]
3rd May '16 10:31:08 PM TSBasilisk
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* ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' has Warriors and Rogues completely lacking magic while Hunters incorporate some slight elements of magic in a handful of attacks.
13th Apr '16 5:48:06 AM Dravencour
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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' this is a recurring theme. Physically inclined classes like Fighters and Monks will have powerful physical attacks but no magic.

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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' this is a recurring theme. Physically inclined classes like Fighters and Monks will have powerful physical attacks but no magic. can only get magic via multiclassing or magic items.
17th Mar '16 4:29:11 AM DAN004
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Justifications for this vary. Sometimes martial and magical prowess are not mutually exclusive by nature, but seldom go together because both take so much specialized training that few have the time and talent to master both. Sometimes it's enforced because ArmorAndMagicDontMix, so warriors would rather not waste time learning spells that they won't be able to use while armored. Sometime they became fighters because they have they aren't gifted with the mind to do great magic. Or maybe the magic-users in a given setting embrace a philosophy of [[TechnicalPacifist TechnicalPacifism]] that would be at odds with training to disembowel their enemies. Or maybe there's no in-story justification at all, which can lead to the FridgeLogic that if there is no major barrier between learning both the martial and arcane arts, why hasn't this character [[MagicKnight brushed up on their magic skills?]]

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Justifications for this vary. Sometimes martial and magical prowess are not mutually exclusive by nature, but seldom go together because both take so much specialized training that few have the time and talent to master both. Sometimes it's enforced because ArmorAndMagicDontMix, so warriors would rather not waste time learning spells that they won't be able to use while armored. Sometime they became fighters because they have they aren't gifted with the mind to do great magic. Or maybe the magic-users in a given setting embrace a philosophy of [[TechnicalPacifist TechnicalPacifism]] that would be at odds with training to disembowel their enemies. Or maybe there's no in-story justification at all, which can lead to the FridgeLogic that if there is no major barrier between learning both the martial and arcane arts, why hasn't this character [[MagicKnight brushed up on their magic skills?]]



Can overlap with MageKiller if he's particularly good at fighting magic-users despite lacking magical abilities. Contrast SquishyWizard, which has strong magic but weak physical skills, and MagicKnight, which is skilled with both weapons and magic. Compare BadassNormal, who can keep up with the super-powered despite lacking superpowers, and UnSorcerer, who is the only person in their society to lack magically ability.

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Can overlap with MageKiller if he's particularly good at fighting magic-users despite lacking magical abilities. Contrast SquishyWizard, which has strong magic but weak physical skills, and MagicKnight, which is skilled with both weapons and magic. Compare BadassNormal, who can keep up with the super-powered despite lacking superpowers, and UnSorcerer, who is the only person in their society to lack magically magical ability.
14th Mar '16 6:36:36 AM trixus
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Justifications for this vary. Sometimes martial and magical prowess are not mutually exclusive by nature, but seldom go together because both take so much specialized training that few have the time and talent to master both. Sometimes it's enforced because ArmorAndMagicDontMix, so warriors would rather not waste time learning spells that they won't be able to use while armored. Or maybe the magic-users in a given setting embrace a philosophy of [[TechnicalPacifist TechnicalPacifism]] that would be at odds with training to disembowel their enemies. Or maybe there's no in-story justification at all, which can lead to the FridgeLogic that if there is no major barrier between learning both the martial and arcane arts, why hasn't this character [[MagicKnight brushed up on their magic skills?]]

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Justifications for this vary. Sometimes martial and magical prowess are not mutually exclusive by nature, but seldom go together because both take so much specialized training that few have the time and talent to master both. Sometimes it's enforced because ArmorAndMagicDontMix, so warriors would rather not waste time learning spells that they won't be able to use while armored. Sometime they became fighters because they have they aren't gifted with the mind to do great magic. Or maybe the magic-users in a given setting embrace a philosophy of [[TechnicalPacifist TechnicalPacifism]] that would be at odds with training to disembowel their enemies. Or maybe there's no in-story justification at all, which can lead to the FridgeLogic that if there is no major barrier between learning both the martial and arcane arts, why hasn't this character [[MagicKnight brushed up on their magic skills?]]
4th Mar '16 8:23:11 AM Soldancer
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* The ''Franchise/DragonAge'' series has some interesting thoughts on the subject. Magic is tied to The Fade, a sort of separate reality inhabited by spirits and demons.
** Humans and elves are able to tap into this source, but it's so hard to do that it generally requires extensive training. Untrained magic users have a tendency to attract unwanted attention from The Fade's various denizens, so magic tends to be an all-in proposition in Thedas.
** Then there are [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame dwarves]], who literally cannot use magic. They have no ability to access The Fade, so any dwarf who wants to be trained for combat is a MagicallyIneptFighter by necessity.
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