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15th Jul '17 7:08:11 PM FordPrefect
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Fans, with some justification, feel that this practice is disrespectful to the original content's creators, as the series is being treated as a pure marketing product rather really "getting" the draw. The practice has fortunately dwindled since the 1980s because of the utter hatred modern fans hold for it, as well as the greater accessibility to the original product (although [[DubInducedPlotHole consistency can flounder]] at times). The importing companies have realized that the [[WidgetSeries quirks]] were what attracted many viewers in the first place. The increasing number of import companies born from fan groups, like Creator/ADVFilms, may also have something to do with it. The practice has also largely faded, however, because ironically doing things like what Macek did -- replacing whole scripts and renaming whole casts, writing entirely new musical scores, having to spend days editing and re-cutting a show -- is actually ''significantly more expensive'' and time-consuming than a straight dub, especially now that the original source music and the like can be stored digitally and easily layered back into an English track. With the margins of the Western anime market being fairly tight, it simply makes more sense to give the fans what they want.

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Fans, with some justification, feel that this practice is disrespectful to the original content's creators, as the series is being treated as a pure marketing product rather than really "getting" the draw. The practice has fortunately dwindled since the 1980s because of the utter hatred modern fans hold for it, as well as the greater accessibility to the original product (although [[DubInducedPlotHole consistency can flounder]] at times). The importing companies have realized that the [[WidgetSeries quirks]] were what attracted many viewers in the first place. The increasing number of import companies born from fan groups, like Creator/ADVFilms, may also have something to do with it. The practice has also largely faded, however, because ironically doing things like what Macek did -- replacing whole scripts and renaming whole casts, writing entirely new musical scores, having to spend days editing and re-cutting a show -- is actually ''significantly more expensive'' and time-consuming than a straight dub, especially now that the original source music and the like can be stored digitally and easily layered back into an English track. With the margins of the Western anime market being fairly tight, it simply makes more sense to give the fans what they want.
20th Apr '17 4:46:17 AM TommyTiger
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[[caption-width-right:350:[[SarcasmMode Because some spring-loaded hammer is just as dangerous and deadly as a pistol]].[[note]]Left, Creator/FourKidsEntertainment version. Right, original version.[[/note]]]]

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27th Feb '17 7:59:44 AM PF
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In recent years, the Macekre has become a DiscreditedTrope as syndicated television has [[DeaderThanDisco lost its luster]] following [[TechnologyMarchesOn the rise of cable]] and on-demand streaming. Likewise, companies that were prominent for heavy anime edits in the 1970s-2000s have either closed their doors or left the industry while anime distributors who produce faithful dubs, even for children's television, have taken their place.[[note]]''Franchise/PowerRangers'', while [[TokuSatsu not an anime]], seems to be the sole exception today.[[/note]]

Contrast {{Woolseyism}} (where the changes are seen as more organic and workable), GagDub (where nearly the entire dialogue is rewritten from the ground up, and the changes are for intentionally comic purposes, often [[{{MST}} making fun of the original]]), and GoodBadTranslation. See also [[Creator/StreamlinePictures Streamline Pictures,]] which Macekre founded.

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In recent Over the years, the Macekre has become a DiscreditedTrope as syndicated television has [[DeaderThanDisco lost its luster]] following [[TechnologyMarchesOn the rise of cable]] and on-demand streaming. Likewise, companies that were prominent for heavy anime edits in the 1970s-2000s have either closed their doors or left the industry while anime distributors who produce faithful dubs, even for children's television, have taken their place.[[note]]''Franchise/PowerRangers'', while [[TokuSatsu not an anime]], seems to be the sole exception today.[[/note]]

Contrast {{Woolseyism}} (where the changes are seen as more organic and workable), GagDub (where nearly the entire dialogue is rewritten from the ground up, and the changes are for intentionally comic purposes, often [[{{MST}} making fun of the original]]), and GoodBadTranslation. See also [[Creator/StreamlinePictures Streamline Pictures,]] Creator/StreamlinePictures, which Macekre Macek founded.
27th Feb '17 7:59:44 AM PF
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26th Feb '17 10:17:16 PM Daikun
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This has become a DiscreditedTrope as syndicated television has [[DeaderThanDisco lost its luster]] following [[TechnologyMarchesOn the rise of cable]] and on-demand streaming. Likewise, companies that were prominent for heavy anime edits in the 1970s-2000s have either closed their doors or left the industry while anime distributors who produce faithful dubs, even for children's television, have taken their place.[[note]]''Franchise/PowerRangers'', while [[TokuSatsu not an anime]], seems to be the sole exception today.[[/note]]

Contrast {{Woolseyism}} (where the changes are seen as more organic and workable), GagDub (where nearly the entire dialogue is rewritten from the ground up, and the changes are for intentionally comic purposes, often [[{{MST}} making fun of the original]]), and GoodBadTranslation. See also [[Creator/StreamlinePictures Streamline Pictures,]] which Maceckre founded.

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This In recent years, the Macekre has become a DiscreditedTrope as syndicated television has [[DeaderThanDisco lost its luster]] following [[TechnologyMarchesOn the rise of cable]] and on-demand streaming. Likewise, companies that were prominent for heavy anime edits in the 1970s-2000s have either closed their doors or left the industry while anime distributors who produce faithful dubs, even for children's television, have taken their place.[[note]]''Franchise/PowerRangers'', while [[TokuSatsu not an anime]], seems to be the sole exception today.[[/note]]

Contrast {{Woolseyism}} (where the changes are seen as more organic and workable), GagDub (where nearly the entire dialogue is rewritten from the ground up, and the changes are for intentionally comic purposes, often [[{{MST}} making fun of the original]]), and GoodBadTranslation. See also [[Creator/StreamlinePictures Streamline Pictures,]] which Maceckre Macekre founded.
30th Dec '16 5:33:08 AM PF
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''No examples, please. This page describes a common emotional reaction to CutAndPasteTranslation; examples of such practices can be found on that page. In addition, keep in mind that TropesAreTools. Some people use such dubs as a GatewaySeries, and the virulent fan reaction against the dubs may puzzle those not familiar with the original version, or even perhaps those that watched the dubs first. Also, the sliding scale of macekre varies from person to person; what one may consider [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks bad changes]], another may not mind quite as much.'

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''No examples, please. This page describes a common emotional reaction to CutAndPasteTranslation; examples of such practices can be found on that page. In addition, keep in mind that TropesAreTools. Some people use such dubs as a GatewaySeries, and the virulent fan reaction against the dubs may puzzle those not familiar with the original version, or even perhaps those that watched the dubs first. Also, the sliding scale of macekre varies from person to person; what one may consider [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks bad changes]], another may not mind quite as much.'''
30th Dec '16 5:32:10 AM PF
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Keep in mind that TropesAreTools. Some people use such dubs as a GatewaySeries, and the virulent fan reaction against the dubs may puzzle those not familiar with the original version, or even perhaps those that watched the dubs first. Also, the sliding scale of macekre varies from person to person; what one may consider [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks bad changes]], another may not mind quite as much.



''No examples, please. This page describes a common emotional reaction to CutAndPasteTranslation; examples of such practices can be found on that page.''

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''No examples, please. This page describes a common emotional reaction to CutAndPasteTranslation; examples of such practices can be found on that page.'' In addition, keep in mind that TropesAreTools. Some people use such dubs as a GatewaySeries, and the virulent fan reaction against the dubs may puzzle those not familiar with the original version, or even perhaps those that watched the dubs first. Also, the sliding scale of macekre varies from person to person; what one may consider [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks bad changes]], another may not mind quite as much.'
30th Dec '16 5:28:42 AM PF
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Keep in mind that TropesAreTools. Some people use such dubs as a GatewaySeries, and the virulent fan reaction against the dubs may puzzle those not familiar with the original version, or even perhaps those that watched the dubs first. Also, the sliding scale of macekre varies from person to person; what one may consider [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks bad changes]], another may not mind quite as much.
29th Dec '16 7:22:00 AM Endian
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Keep in mind that TropesAreTools. Some people use such dubs as a GatewaySeries, and the virulent fan reaction against the dubs may puzzle those not familiar with the original version, or even perhaps those that watched the dubs first. Also, the sliding scale of macekre varies from person to person; what one may consider [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks bad changes]], another may not mind quite as much.
6th Nov '16 2:46:15 AM Ulkomaalainen
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Pronounced similarly to "massacre", the term was coined by anime fans from the name of producer/writer the late [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Macek Carl Macek,]] whose early "free adaptations" of anime frequently bore little or no resemblance to the original Japanese stories. His usual procedure was to dispose of the original script entirely, and write his own from scratch. This was no ''Anime/SamuraiPizzaCats'', however. He would often combine two or more unrelated series simply in order to have enough episodes to fulfill a syndication deal. He is particularly reviled for the seemingly xenophobic ruthlessness with which he purged any hint of Japanese culture -- what he euphemistically called "ethnic gestures" -- from the series which he adapted.[[note]]Macek later claimed that many of these changes, including his having to splice together three different series to create ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'', were a case of ExecutiveMeddling; he was required to force the show to fit syndication-length guidelines, without having complete scripts for any of them, while still making it compelling enough to sell the accompanying toy lines. Trying to tie the three shows together by giving them a unified script was his attempt at meeting these conditions; obviously, this didn't work as well as he hoped. As to the charges of removing "ethnic gestures" from scripts: to be fair to the late Mr. Macek, there is some evidence that his original plan was to have Hikaru Ichijyo/Rick Hunter remain ethnically Japanese, naming him "Rick Yamada".[[/note]]

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Pronounced similarly to "massacre", the term was coined by anime fans from the name of the late producer/writer the late [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Macek Carl Macek,]] whose early "free adaptations" of anime frequently bore little or no resemblance to the original Japanese stories. His usual procedure was to dispose of the original script entirely, and write his own from scratch. This was no ''Anime/SamuraiPizzaCats'', however. He would often combine two or more unrelated series simply in order to have enough episodes to fulfill a syndication deal. He is particularly reviled for the seemingly xenophobic ruthlessness with which he purged any hint of Japanese culture -- what he euphemistically called "ethnic gestures" -- from the series which he adapted.[[note]]Macek later claimed that many of these changes, including his having to splice together three different series to create ''Anime/{{Robotech}}'', were a case of ExecutiveMeddling; he was required to force the show to fit syndication-length guidelines, without having complete scripts for any of them, while still making it compelling enough to sell the accompanying toy lines. Trying to tie the three shows together by giving them a unified script was his attempt at meeting these conditions; obviously, this didn't work as well as he hoped. As to the charges of removing "ethnic gestures" from scripts: to be fair to the late Mr. Macek, there is some evidence that his original plan was to have Hikaru Ichijyo/Rick Hunter remain ethnically Japanese, naming him "Rick Yamada".[[/note]]
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