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17th Jul '16 6:41:35 PM lavendermintrose
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* Inverted in ''Anime/{{K}}'' - Clansmen seem to be loyal to their Kings specifically, not to the position. In the prequel novels, when Reisi Munakata Awakened as the Blue King, several members of the old Blue King's Clan didn't want to follow him and ended up causing him trouble. Likewise, when the [[spoiler: Gold]] King dies, his Clan disbands.
** Inverted the most with Kuroh Yatogami, a [[{{Samurai}} Clansman]] to the late Colorless King, who sent Kuroh to find and kill his successor, should the successor turn out to be evil.
** Played somewhat straight with the [[spoiler: Red]] Clan, who follow their new King after their old one dies - more of an aversion, though since [[spoiler: Anna]] had been one of the previous King's closest Clansmen.
28th Jun '16 4:49:13 PM JacobTehGreat
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* A good RealLife example was the French statesman [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talleyrand Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord]]. He was a bishop under Louis XVI, held various posts in the governments of the French revolutionary period from 1789, was UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte's Foreign Minister and was then brought back to be Foreign Minister after 1815 when Napoleon had been defeated and the Bourbon monarchs had returned. He is famously quoted as saying: "Regimes may fall and fail, but I do not." He achieved this by making sure he always backed the stronger side, even when this involved blatantly betraying his current employer. Napoleon once called him "shit in silk stockings, probably after they had a political split over the Peninsular War. He wasn't as bad as all that, and he was quite talented, which just as much as his flexible principles is why everybody kept hiring him as senior staff. He got a worsened rap in England after ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'' got popular--the series has a really nasty villain based on him.

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* A good RealLife example was the French statesman [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talleyrand Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord]]. He was a bishop under Louis XVI, held various posts in the governments of the French revolutionary period from 1789, was UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte's Foreign Minister and was then brought back to be Foreign Minister after 1815 when Napoleon had been defeated and the Bourbon monarchs had returned. He is famously quoted as saying: "Regimes may fall and fail, but I do not." He achieved this by making sure he always backed the stronger side, even when this involved blatantly betraying his current employer. Napoleon once called him "shit in silk stockings, stockings," probably after they had a political split over the Peninsular War. He wasn't as bad as all that, and he was quite talented, which just as much as his flexible principles is why everybody kept hiring him as senior staff. He got a worsened rap in England after ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'' got popular--the series has a really nasty villain based on him.
25th Jun '16 8:35:09 AM Reflextion
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':
** Varys is probably the best example, holding his position as spymaster under the Targaryens, the Baratheons, and the [[spoiler: Lannisters.]] Treasurer Petyr Baelish does so too, until he decides it's prudent to get the hell out of Dodge, but in his case it's more naked self-serving ambition than loyalty to anything.
*** Except that in the books, Varys has clearly been shown to have his own agenda for the throne,[[spoiler: with 90% of the plots being set in motion by either him or [[MagnificentBastard Littlefinger]].]]
** The maesters are assigned to a castle and have to remain there, serving whichever lord happens to have seized power that week. Grand Maester Pycelle is the last member of the original royal council to remain, sticking out even the wildest excesses of [[spoiler:Cersei's regency]].
** The Kingsguard is expected to guard the king, no matter who he is or how he came to the throne. After King Aerys the Mad had the throne taken from him by Robert in a bloody civil war, Jaime Lannister is reviled as an oathbreaker, while Barristan Selmy is respected as a good and honorable knight. The reason being that Jaime sided with Robert's rebellion by killing Aerys (a truly horrific king), while Barristan stayed loyal to Aerys until the end. Despite this, both of them remain in their positions under the new regime. Ironically, Selmy eventually wonders if Jaime had been right all along.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':
** Varys is probably the best example, holding his position as spymaster under the Targaryens, the Baratheons, and the [[spoiler: Lannisters.]] Treasurer Petyr Baelish does so too, until he decides it's prudent to get the hell out of Dodge, but in his case it's more naked self-serving ambition than loyalty to anything.
*** Except that in the books, Varys has clearly been shown to have his own agenda for the throne,[[spoiler: with 90% of the plots being set in motion by either him or [[MagnificentBastard Littlefinger]].]]
** The maesters are assigned to a castle and have to remain there, serving whichever lord happens to have seized power that week. Grand Maester Pycelle is the last member of the original royal council to remain, sticking out even the wildest excesses of [[spoiler:Cersei's regency]].
** The Kingsguard is expected to guard the king, no matter who he is or how he came to the throne. After King Aerys the Mad had the throne taken from him by Robert in a bloody civil war, Jaime Lannister is reviled as an oathbreaker, while Barristan Selmy is respected as a good and honorable knight. The reason being that Jaime sided with Robert's rebellion by killing Aerys (a truly horrific king), while Barristan stayed loyal to Aerys until the end. Despite this, both of them remain in their positions under the new regime. Ironically, Selmy eventually wonders if Jaime had been right all along.
11th Jun '16 7:20:01 AM karstovich2
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** Varys is probably the best example, holding his position as spymaster under the Targaryens, the Baratheons, and the [[spoiler: Lannisters.]] Treasurer Petyr Baelish does so too, until he decides it's prudent to get the hell out of Dodge, but in his case it's more naked self-serving ambition than loyalty to anything.

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** Varys is probably the best example, holding his position as spymaster under the Targaryens, the Baratheons, and the [[spoiler: Lannisters.Lannisters, and then the Targaryens--well, ''a'' Targaryen, not that there are many left--again.]] Treasurer Petyr Baelish does so too, until he decides it's prudent to get the hell out of Dodge, but in his case it's more naked self-serving ambition than loyalty to anything.
7th Jan '16 7:07:25 PM SaniOKh
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* In ''Series/ServantOfThePeople'', Vasiliy inherits two employees from the outgoing president who simply keep doing their job: a secretary and a bodyguard. The latter is in fact so loyal to his job, that when Vasiliy fires him, he loses all sense of purpose in life, and once hired back, resumes doing his job as if nothing happened.
25th Nov '15 8:26:41 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* A curious inversion happens in the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats}}''. Mum-Rah is a servant of four evil entities called the Ancient Spirits of Evil, and gains his powers from them. However, as Snarf discovered, these four beings will grant the same powers to ''anyone'' who enters the burial chamber and requests it. (Possibly they have a weird sense of humor or are capable of outright betrayal, but then, they ''are'' evil.)
10th Sep '15 5:21:26 PM Khathi
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* Anastas Mikoyan, a Soviet public servant and politician who started his career under Lenin, survived Stalinism from beginning to end, went through Khruschev's reforms and survived a coup against him and finished his career under Leonid Brezhnev. There was even a saying about him: ''From Ilyich (''Lenin'') to Ilyich (''Brezhnev'') without cardiac arrest and paralysis (От Ильича до Ильича без инфаркта и паралича) (Ot Ilyicha do Ilyicha bez infarkta i paralicha'').

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* Anastas Mikoyan, a Soviet public servant and politician who started his career under Lenin, survived Stalinism from beginning to end, went through Khruschev's reforms and survived a coup against him and finished his career under Leonid Brezhnev. There was even a saying about him: ''From Ilyich (''Lenin'') to Ilyich (''Brezhnev'') without cardiac arrest and paralysis (От Ильича до Ильича без инфаркта и паралича) (Ot Ilyicha do Ilyicha bez infarkta i paralicha''). It helps that he was always more of a technocrat [[VetinariJobSecurity working the essential state functions]], leaving ''the politicking'' to the others, and, being an Armenian, [[SlaveToPR he was a display case]] of the Soviet Union's self-professed interntionalism and multiculturalism.
7th Sep '15 4:09:24 AM AdamC
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* In the backstory of ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock}}'', this was Suchong's whole deal. Originally he worked with Frank Fontaine to engineer plasmids and experiment with ADAM. But once Andrew Ryan killed Fontaine and assimilated his business empire into his own, Suchong had no qualms whatsoever with jumping ship to Ryan's company to do exactly the same thing he did for Frank. In his backstory he was a Korean doctor who dealt opium on the side. When the Japanese forces killed every member of his village, he was left alive because he happily offered to extend his services to the new occupying force.
-->"Fontaine is dead. Bad for Fontaine. Good for Suchong."
4th Sep '15 7:55:17 PM nombretomado
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* A good RealLife example was the French statesman [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talleyrand Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord]]. He was a bishop under Louis XVI, held various posts in the governments of the French revolutionary period from 1789, was NapoleonBonaparte's Foreign Minister and was then brought back to be Foreign Minister after 1815 when Napoleon had been defeated and the Bourbon monarchs had returned. He is famously quoted as saying: "Regimes may fall and fail, but I do not." He achieved this by making sure he always backed the stronger side, even when this involved blatantly betraying his current employer. Napoleon once called him "shit in silk stockings, probably after they had a political split over the Peninsular War. He wasn't as bad as all that, and he was quite talented, which just as much as his flexible principles is why everybody kept hiring him as senior staff. He got a worsened rap in England after ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'' got popular--the series has a really nasty villain based on him.

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* A good RealLife example was the French statesman [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talleyrand Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Perigord]]. He was a bishop under Louis XVI, held various posts in the governments of the French revolutionary period from 1789, was NapoleonBonaparte's UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte's Foreign Minister and was then brought back to be Foreign Minister after 1815 when Napoleon had been defeated and the Bourbon monarchs had returned. He is famously quoted as saying: "Regimes may fall and fail, but I do not." He achieved this by making sure he always backed the stronger side, even when this involved blatantly betraying his current employer. Napoleon once called him "shit in silk stockings, probably after they had a political split over the Peninsular War. He wasn't as bad as all that, and he was quite talented, which just as much as his flexible principles is why everybody kept hiring him as senior staff. He got a worsened rap in England after ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'' got popular--the series has a really nasty villain based on him.
30th Mar '15 10:46:47 AM nombretomado
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* Valharik, the captain of the guard in Melnibone, upon Yyrkoon's taking of power in the first novel of ''TheElricSaga'', betrayed his mistress Cymoril, Elric's LoveInterest, and took her to her tower. He cut down one of his own men who tried to defend her against Yyrkoon, and on Yyrkoon's orders, he fed the poor guy to Cymoril's slaves. When Elric takes back the Ruby Throne from Yyrkoon, Valharik explains that he serves the Ruby Throne, no matter who sits upon it. Needless to say, Elric doesn't buy this, and in a truly ruthless move, he sentences Valharik to execution, with his flesh to be fed to Yyrkoon at the feast that Elric plans to hold.

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* Valharik, the captain of the guard in Melnibone, upon Yyrkoon's taking of power in the first novel of ''TheElricSaga'', ''Literature/TheElricSaga'', betrayed his mistress Cymoril, Elric's LoveInterest, and took her to her tower. He cut down one of his own men who tried to defend her against Yyrkoon, and on Yyrkoon's orders, he fed the poor guy to Cymoril's slaves. When Elric takes back the Ruby Throne from Yyrkoon, Valharik explains that he serves the Ruby Throne, no matter who sits upon it. Needless to say, Elric doesn't buy this, and in a truly ruthless move, he sentences Valharik to execution, with his flesh to be fed to Yyrkoon at the feast that Elric plans to hold.
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