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30th Sep '17 10:35:15 PM 64SuperNintendo
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21st Jul '17 5:07:54 AM Baeraad555
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* In the sixth book of ''Literature/ChroniclesOfTheCheysuli'', Keely - who is somewhat of an IndecisiveParody of a RebelliousPrincess ActionGirl to start with - is kidnapped, raped and impregnated by the BigBad. After escaping, she is determined to have an abortion, but a lot of sympathetic characters - including the ''[[AnimalCompanion lir]]'', who usually serve as the voice of wisdom in the series - tell her that GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion, giving the impression that the narrative wants us to agree. But then when Keely ignores them and goes to purchase an abortifacient, the herbalist refuses to sell it to her and acts like such a [[SmugSnake smug,]] [[StrawMisogynist sexist]], [[SlutShaming slut-shaming]] JerkAss that it's hard to imagine we're not supposed to be rooting for Keely to exercise a woman's right to choose. And then, following some gratuitous MindRape by another villain, she has a ConvenientMiscarriage anyway. So... was that a pro-life message? A pro-choice message? ''[[ShaggyDogStory Just what was the point of any of it?]]''
14th Jul '17 6:20:34 PM MBG
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* The ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' episode "Amazon Women in the Mood" seems to ''attempt'' some kind of Aesop about the futility of the battle of the sexes... which is slightly deflated by leaning on a lot of sexist humor (the men are [[CompressedVice suddenly played]] as universally StrawMisogynist) and DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale. There's a bit of mitigation in that [[OnlySaneMan Kif]] is legitimately horrified by the idea of "Death by Snu-Snu", but only because he's effeminate, cementing the idea that AManIsAlwaysEager even when it will ''literally kill him''.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' episode "Amazon Women in the Mood" seems to ''attempt'' some kind of Aesop about the futility of the battle of the sexes... which is slightly deflated by leaning on a lot of sexist humor (the men are [[CompressedVice suddenly played]] as universally StrawMisogynist) StrawMisogynist, and the Space Amazon society is basically every lazy female stereotype RecycledInSpace) and DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale. There's a bit of mitigation in that [[OnlySaneMan Kif]] is legitimately horrified by the idea of "Death by Snu-Snu", but only because he's effeminate, cementing the idea that AManIsAlwaysEager even when it will ''literally kill him''.
9th Jul '17 4:35:38 PM Scabbard
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** It gets even worse with the introduction of "The Initive". It is an effective anti-vampire unit, showing that ordinary humans can pull their weight in the fight against evil, except that it's a front for evil experiments, except that its founders were unaware of this, except they decide to scrap it anyway. Was there ever a point to it all except "Muggles will inevitably fuck everything anyway, so they shouldn't even bother"?

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** It gets even worse with the introduction of "The Initive".Initiative". It is an effective anti-vampire unit, showing that ordinary humans can pull their weight in the fight against evil, except that it's a front for evil experiments, except that its founders were unaware of this, except they decide to scrap it anyway. Was there ever a point to it all except "Muggles will inevitably fuck everything anyway, so they shouldn't even bother"?
9th Jul '17 4:13:41 PM Scabbard
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* ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'': not any individual entry in the series but the franchise as a whole jumps between ScrewDestiny and YouCantFightFate with regard to whether or not the heroes can stop Skynet from being built and initiating [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]] in which it kills off most of the human race. The [[Film/TheTerminator first film]] has Skynet create a StableTimeLoop when Cyberdine uses a recovered piece of the Terminator it sent back [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast to build what will become Skynet]]. The [[Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay second]] film [[ScrewDestiny cancels this out]], as the heroes have become wise about the StableTimeLoop and do everything they can to destroy all Terminator/Skynet technology that could be used to build Skynet. The 3rd film [[note]]and the beginning of the post-Cameron canon that was intended to end with ''Terminator 2''[[/note]] has Skynet activate and start Judgement Day later than originally fated but [[YouCantFightFate the message is it will still happen nonetheless]]. ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'' fleshes it out even further, showing Skynet using TimeTravel to [[TrickedOutTime help create itself in the present day]] and sowing the seeds for Judgment Day to ensure that no matter how many alternate realities/futures are created by the heroes changing things in the present, Skynet is still the BigBad.

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* ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'': not Not any individual entry in the series but the franchise as a whole jumps between ScrewDestiny and YouCantFightFate with regard to whether or not the heroes can stop Skynet from being built and initiating [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]] in which it kills off most of the human race. The [[Film/TheTerminator first film]] has Skynet create a StableTimeLoop when Cyberdine uses a recovered piece of the Terminator it sent back [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast to build what will become Skynet]]. The [[Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay second]] film [[ScrewDestiny cancels this out]], as the heroes have become wise about the StableTimeLoop and do everything they can to destroy all Terminator/Skynet technology that could be used to build Skynet. The 3rd film [[note]]and the beginning of the post-Cameron canon that was intended to end with ''Terminator 2''[[/note]] has Skynet activate and start Judgement Day later than originally fated but [[YouCantFightFate the message is it will still happen nonetheless]]. ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'' fleshes it out even further, showing Skynet using TimeTravel to [[TrickedOutTime help create itself in the present day]] and sowing the seeds for Judgment Day to ensure that no matter how many alternate realities/futures are created by the heroes changing things in the present, Skynet is still the BigBad.
16th Jun '17 9:08:51 PM GoblinCipher
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** "Everything should be balanced" for first two games. It's that simple. The third goes with "[[FantasticAesop Don't get overconfident if you are part of a]] SecretCircleOfSecrets". The fourth... well, we have no idea.

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** "Everything should be balanced" for first two games. It's that simple. The third goes with "[[FantasticAesop "[[SpaceWhaleAesop Don't get overconfident if you are part of a]] SecretCircleOfSecrets". The fourth... well, we have no idea.
16th Jun '17 9:01:49 PM GoblinCipher
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** It's okay to sacrifice liberty for security, especially when dealing with superpowered individuals -- except wait, no it's not. America means freedom and righteousness and all that is good -- wait, [[CluelessAesop it means MySpace and YouTube.]] Allowing the leaders to do their jobs is a perfectly legitimate course of action -- wait, you'll get drafted into a superpowered army and made a slave of the state. Iron Man is cool -- wait, he's a Nazi!

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** It's okay to sacrifice liberty for security, especially when dealing with superpowered individuals -- except wait, no it's not. America means freedom and righteousness and all that is good -- wait, [[CluelessAesop [[SmallReferencePools it means MySpace and YouTube.]] Allowing the leaders to do their jobs is a perfectly legitimate course of action -- wait, you'll get drafted into a superpowered army and made a slave of the state. Iron Man is cool -- wait, he's a Nazi!



* ''Film/ChasingAmy'' is very confused about what its Aesop even is. It starts out with something like, "it's useless to try to change someone; orientation is fixed and can't be altered to suit your convenience." That gets [[BrokenAesop broken]] when it turns out she's conveniently [[BiTheWay bisexual]] after all. Then it seems to be something like "true love knows no barriers," but of course several characters in the film really ''are'' 100% gay, so [[CluelessAesop that doesn't work]]. After that it's "don't get all worked up because your girlfriend has an adventurous sexual past," which would work, except that she also lied about it every step of the way, so it's at least a little more complicated than that. Then they give Silent Bob an awkward, tangentially-related monologue, [[TheUnfairSex blame the straight white guy for everything]], and call it a day.

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* ''Film/ChasingAmy'' is very confused about what its Aesop even is. It starts out with something like, "it's useless to try to change someone; orientation is fixed and can't be altered to suit your convenience." That gets [[BrokenAesop broken]] when it turns out she's conveniently [[BiTheWay bisexual]] after all. Then it seems to be something like "true love knows no barriers," but of course several characters in the film really ''are'' 100% gay, so [[CluelessAesop that doesn't work]].work. After that it's "don't get all worked up because your girlfriend has an adventurous sexual past," which would work, except that she also lied about it every step of the way, so it's at least a little more complicated than that. Then they give Silent Bob an awkward, tangentially-related monologue, [[TheUnfairSex blame the straight white guy for everything]], and call it a day.



** "Everything should be balanced" for first two games. It's that simple. The third goes with "[[CluelessAesop Don't get overconfident if you are part of a]] SecretCircleOfSecrets". The fourth... well, we have no idea.

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** "Everything should be balanced" for first two games. It's that simple. The third goes with "[[CluelessAesop "[[FantasticAesop Don't get overconfident if you are part of a]] SecretCircleOfSecrets". The fourth... well, we have no idea.
2nd Jun '17 2:11:40 AM PaulA
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* In his novel ''Podkayne of Mars'' Creator/RobertAHeinlein was trying for an Aesop about the dangers of HandsOffParenting. However, until the CharacterFilibuster at the end, there's really nothing in the novel that suggests that the characters' parents lack of involvement was to blame for their problems -- or even that, [[ValuesDissonance by today's standards]], the parents were uninvolved to begin with.

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* In his novel ''Podkayne of Mars'' ''Literature/PodkayneOfMars'', Creator/RobertAHeinlein was trying for an Aesop about the dangers of HandsOffParenting. However, until the CharacterFilibuster at the end, there's really nothing in the novel that suggests that the characters' parents lack of involvement was to blame for their problems -- or even that, [[ValuesDissonance by today's standards]], the parents were uninvolved to begin with.
15th Mar '17 6:46:10 AM HighCrate
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** I think the message here is that "the only life you're allowed to sacrifice for the greater good is your own." Grindelwald was a Dark Lord because he was justifying sacrificing others as something that will eventually result in the good of all; while Harry is a hero because he takes the responsibility and the consequences of his actions on himself, sacrificing noone's life but his own.
15th Mar '17 4:50:13 AM FeralMulan
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**I think the message here is that "the only life you're allowed to sacrifice for the greater good is your own." Grindelwald was a Dark Lord because he was justifying sacrificing others as something that will eventually result in the good of all; while Harry is a hero because he takes the responsibility and the consequences of his actions on himself, sacrificing noone's life but his own.
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