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24th Jan '16 8:24:16 AM KingLyger
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Removing a bit of Bias Steamroller from the FF 7 entry.
* ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}''. They are definitely trying to make some kind of point involving paganism, science and Christianity, but it's a bit hard to work out exactly what simply because of the way it all comes together. The most you can really pull from it is that there are no real bad guys, just a lot of people who are ruled by fanaticism. You can't really say that the message is that the Hammers (the Christian analog faction) are bad since they are technically just temperamental over-zealous good guys and help you beat the first game. You can't say the Pagans are bad, despite them being the villains of the first game, since they are shown to be sympathetic people (the [[spoiler:massacre of Pagan women and children by Mechanists]], and a certain book in a rotting house being good examples) who help you beat the second game in much the same way as the Hammers did in the first. We can't even say that the game is pro or anti science since the Mechanists are villains obsessed with technology, but the Hammers are pretty obsessed by it too. It's not even clear if the Mechanists are an analog for communist fanatics, atheist fanatics, scientific fanatics, or religious ones. So, in the end the message is probably 'beware of getting ideological about stuff'. Or something. ** "Everything should be balanced" for first two games. It's that simple. The third goes with "[[CluelessAesop Don't get overconfident if you are part of a]] SecretCircleOfSecrets". The forth... well, you got me.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}''. They are definitely trying to make some kind of point involving paganism, science and Christianity, but it's a bit hard to work out exactly what simply because of the way it all comes together. The most you can really pull from it is that [[GrayAndGrayMorality there are no real bad guys, just a lot of people who are ruled by fanaticism. fanaticism]]. You can't really say that the message is that the Hammers (the Christian analog faction) are bad bad, since they are technically just they're [[KnightTemplar temperamental over-zealous good guys and guys]] that help you beat the first game. You can't say the Pagans are bad, despite them being the villains of the first game, since they are shown to be sympathetic people (the [[spoiler:massacre of Pagan women and children by Mechanists]], and a certain book in a rotting house being good examples) who help you beat the second game in much the same way as the Hammers did in the first. We can't even say that the game is pro pro- or anti science anti-science, since the Mechanists are villains obsessed with technology, but the Hammers are pretty obsessed by it too. It's not even clear if the Mechanists are an analog for communist fanatics, atheist fanatics, scientific fanatics, or religious ones. So, in the end the message is probably 'beware of getting ideological about stuff'. Or something. ** "Everything should be balanced" for first two games. It's that simple. The third goes with "[[CluelessAesop Don't get overconfident if you are part of a]] SecretCircleOfSecrets". The forth... fourth... well, you got me.we have no idea.

* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''; it's rather obvious that the creators wanted to say '''something''' about whether the actions of the human race should doom them to be destroyed with Jenova and Sephiroth, but since picking a side would ultimately make someone angry (either they're suggesting the human race is irredeemably evil - likely not what the audience would want to hear - or they're suggesting that environmental damage to the planet isn't all that bad, which would likely set off the environmentalists), Square chose to leave everything ambigious - a total cop-out. One thing the Compilation did do, at least, was reverse this absolutely idiotic decision and show an answer to this repeatedly asked, and ultimately ignored, Aesop.
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''; In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', it's rather obvious that the creators wanted to say '''something''' about whether the actions of the human race should doom them to be destroyed with Jenova and Sephiroth, but destroyed. But since picking a side would ultimately make someone angry (either - either they're suggesting [[HumansAreBastards the human race is irredeemably evil - likely not what the audience would want to hear - evil]], or they're suggesting that environmental damage to the planet isn't all that bad, which bad (which would likely set off the environmentalists), create all kinds of hypocrisy), Square chose to leave everything ambigious - a total cop-out. ambiguous. One thing the Compilation did do, at least, was reverse this absolutely idiotic decision address and show an answer to this repeatedly asked, and ultimately ignored, Aesop.asked Aesop as an AuthorsSavingThrow.

** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2'', it turns out that the only reason we didn't get an, at the very least, BitterSweetEnding was because of [[DeusExMachina divine intervention]]. [[GodIsInept A divine intervention that has]] [[TemporalParadox seriously effed up causality]], set loose an [[DespairEventHorizon Insane]] FallenHero with the intent to cause a TimeCrash for [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathetic]] [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl purposes]] and given Serah, the protagonist of the first game's younger sister, [[DreamingOfThingsToCome a power]] that will, eventually, [[YourDaysAreNumbered inevitably kill her]]. Luckily, she and her trusty companion, Noel, manages to stop the insane former hero and kill him, but at a heavy cost: Serah's power kills her. The message here should've been a [[BitterSweetEnding bitter sweet]] "TheNeedsOfTheMany"... The observant ones may have noticed the keywords "should've been" there. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption Turns out that by killing the]] FallenHero, [[UnwittingPawn the heroes have triggered the exact]] TimeCrash [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the hero-turned-villain set out to trigger]], [[ItsAWonderfulFailure reality gets destroyed]] [[FromBadToWorse and, to top it all of,]] [[TheBadGuyWins the villain survived the apocalypse]]. So what's the moral here? Except for possibly "[[RageAgainstTheHeavens Fuck the gods!]]", I mean... We'll see how/if [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the last game solves]] anything...
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** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2'', it turns out that the only reason we didn't get an, at the very least, BitterSweetEnding BittersweetEnding was because of [[DeusExMachina divine intervention]]. [[GodIsInept A divine intervention that has]] [[TemporalParadox seriously effed up causality]], set loose an [[DespairEventHorizon Insane]] insane]] FallenHero with the intent to cause a TimeCrash for [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathetic]] [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl purposes]] and given Serah, the protagonist of the first game's younger sister, [[DreamingOfThingsToCome a power]] that will, eventually, [[YourDaysAreNumbered inevitably kill her]]. Luckily, she and her trusty companion, Noel, manages to stop the insane former hero and kill him, but at a heavy cost: Serah's power kills her. The message here should've been a [[BitterSweetEnding bitter sweet]] "TheNeedsOfTheMany"... The observant ones may have noticed the keywords "should've been" there. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption Turns out that by killing the]] FallenHero, [[UnwittingPawn the heroes have triggered the exact]] TimeCrash [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the hero-turned-villain set out to trigger]], [[ItsAWonderfulFailure reality gets destroyed]] [[FromBadToWorse and, to top it all of,]] [[TheBadGuyWins the villain survived the apocalypse]]. So what's the moral here? Except for possibly "[[RageAgainstTheHeavens Fuck Screw the gods!]]", I mean... We'll see how/if gods!]]" ** Even [[VideoGame/LightningReturnsFinalFantasyXIII the last game solves]] anything...game]] didn't ultimately answer this question, with a GainaxEnding and a lot of navel-gazing about the nature of gods and men. The ultimate point of the story might have been ScrewDestiny, but with so much that was [[YouCantFightFate predetermined anyways]], it comes across as trying to have it both ways.
17th Jan '16 4:26:10 PM gophergiggles
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** "Princess Spike" can't seem to make up it's mind at all which aesop it wants to teach. It begins with Spike going to ludicrous lengths, including making questionable decisions on her behalf to preserve the silence so Twilight Sparkle can sleep, then abruptly leaps to him forgetting all about keeping it quiet and instead abusing his relationship with her to solicit freebies from others, then all hell breaks loose when the things he tried to do to keep things quiet ([[BrokenAesop the selfish stuff goes without consequence]]) causes a huge mess, and then out of nowhere ends on the moral "when we all do our part everything works out in the end" which really had nothing to do with the rest of the episode.
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** "Bats!" starts with a simple enough issue of a fruit bat infestation that is threatening Applejack's crop and boils down to Applejack's argument of "get rid of them because they're a threat" against Fluttershy's argument of "but they're living creatures and can help in the long run", setting up an apparent argument of necessity vs animal rights. Then Twilight Sparkle decides to TakeAThirdOption, [[NiceJobBreakingItHero causes much more damage by accidentally transforming Fluttershy into a vampire bat pony]], and somehow this wins over Applejack and they set up a reserve on the farm for the fruit bats. The initial conflict is never addressed. ** "Princess Spike" can't seem to make up it's mind at all which aesop it wants to teach. It begins with Spike going to ludicrous lengths, including making questionable decisions on her behalf to preserve the silence so Twilight Sparkle can sleep, then abruptly leaps to him forgetting all about keeping it quiet and instead abusing his relationship with her to solicit freebies from others, then all hell breaks loose when the things he tried to do to keep things quiet ([[BrokenAesop the selfish stuff goes without consequence]]) causes a huge mess, and then out of nowhere ends on the moral "when we all do our part everything works out in the end" which really had nothing to do with the rest of anything and actually conflicts with what was presented in the episode.
12th Jan '16 11:09:21 AM AnotherGuy
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** Averted by ''Film/TerminatorSalvation'', which eschews the other film's themes in favor of MyGreatestSecondChance as the CentralTheme.
5th Jan '16 3:35:40 PM Premonition45
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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': Throughout the two-part episode "The Best of Both Worlds", Riker learns he has to be his own man if he wants to become a captain, which he does, succeeding in both saving Picard and beating the Borg, but after this episode, [[SnapBack he goes back to being a Commander and second-in-command]] of the ''Enterprise'', not having his own command again until ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''. And it's even worse when you consider the Expanded Universe which had Commander Shelby becoming a captain ''before'' him. Particularly egregious given that Riker had been formally promoted, not merely made an "Acting Captain"... and it had already been established that [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier there's no rule against a ship's captain and first officer simultaneously holding the rank of Captain]].
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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': Throughout the two-part episode "The Best of Both Worlds", Riker learns he has to be his own man if he wants to become a captain, which he does, succeeding in both saving Picard and beating the Borg, but after this episode, [[SnapBack he goes back to being a Commander and second-in-command]] of the ''Enterprise'', not having his own command again until ''Film/StarTrekNemesis''. And it's even worse when you consider the Expanded Universe which had [[TheRival Commander Shelby Shelby]] becoming a captain ''before'' him. Particularly egregious given that Riker had been formally promoted, not merely made an "Acting Captain"... and it had already been established that [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier there's no rule against a ship's captain and first officer simultaneously holding the rank of Captain]].
2nd Jan '16 8:22:43 PM Ramidel
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** PETA made a similar parody of ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' to complain that the series was about glorified pitfighting of animals. Which was, of course, ''the entire plot conflict of VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite in the first place''. And you can't blame it on them having [[ShallowParody never played the game]], either, because the parody spoils major plot points from the original!
1st Jan '16 4:47:28 AM tmantookie
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That example is already on there.
[[folder:Web Original]] * In ''[[Creator/ThisIsIt Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 4]]'' Shrignold tries to give Yellow Guy an aesop about how there is a "special one" for everyone. His story is about a boy who [[InformedFlaw was considered]] so ugly who was ostracized by his town to the point where he [[MinorLivingAlone lived alone]] in a cave. The story has nothing to do with love and if anything it goes against what Shrignold is trying to say. [[/folder]]
19th Dec '15 12:19:10 PM Pichu-kun
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[[folder:Web Original]] * In ''[[Creator/ThisIsIt Don't Hug Me I'm Scared 4]]'' Shrignold tries to give Yellow Guy an aesop about how there is a "special one" for everyone. His story is about a boy who [[InformedFlaw was considered]] so ugly who was ostracized by his town to the point where he [[MinorLivingAlone lived alone]] in a cave. The story has nothing to do with love and if anything it goes against what Shrignold is trying to say. [[/folder]]
15th Dec '15 7:09:26 AM ChronoLegion
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* Possibly the case with ''Literature/ReadyPlayerOne'', in which most of the events take place in an MMO VirtualReality called the OASIS and focuses on a world-wide treasure hunt associated with TheEighties trivia. The main character spends most of his life in the OASIS, largely to avoid the CrapsackWorld he lives in (PostPeakOil world is not a nice place to live for most people). At the end, he seemingly figures out that RealLife is much better than the OASIS, but, if you're a reader, most of what you're read so far describes how beautiful and vibrant an environment the OASIS is, where things that divide us like race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation don't matter.
15th Dec '15 7:04:53 AM ChronoLegion
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** It's stated many times that Riker can have his choice of command, but he only wants one ship. It's not until ''Nemesis'' that he finally decides that he's never going to get the ''Enterprise'' and should stick with the ''Titan'' instead.
28th Nov '15 4:12:59 PM eroock
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->''I don’t know what ''Insurrection'' is about. ''Insurrection'' is a film that is telling you, ‘This is about something.’ ‘We are exploring an important topic,’ they keep saying. But what that important topic is, is a little unclear.'' -->--'''Ron D. Moore''' [[http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm on]] ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection''
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