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20th Aug '16 12:29:07 PM Gess
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** It gets even worse with the introduction of "The Initive". It is an effective anti-vampire unit, showing that ordinary humans can pull their weight in the fight against evil, except that it's a front for evil experiments, except that its founders were unaware of this, except they decide to scrap it anyway. Was there ever a point to it all except "Muggles will inevitably fuck everything anyway, so they shouldn't even bother"?
23rd Jul '16 11:09:31 AM HighCrate
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** There are way too many other episodes of ''Family Guy'' with Lost Aesops to list here.
23rd Jul '16 11:07:47 AM Kadorhal
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** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2'', it turns out that the only reason we didn't get an, at the very least, BittersweetEnding was because of [[DeusExMachina divine intervention]]. [[GodIsInept A divine intervention that has]] [[TemporalParadox seriously effed up causality]], set loose an [[DespairEventHorizon insane]] FallenHero with the intent to cause a TimeCrash for [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathetic]] [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl purposes]] and given Serah, the protagonist of the first game's younger sister, [[DreamingOfThingsToCome a power]] that will, eventually, [[YourDaysAreNumbered inevitably kill her]]. Luckily, she and her trusty companion, Noel, manages to stop the insane former hero and kill him, but at a heavy cost: Serah's power kills her. The message here should've been a [[BitterSweetEnding bitter sweet]] "TheNeedsOfTheMany"... The observant ones may have noticed the keywords "should've been" there. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption Turns out that by killing the]] FallenHero, [[UnwittingPawn the heroes have triggered the exact]] TimeCrash [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the hero-turned-villain set out to trigger]], [[ItsAWonderfulFailure reality gets destroyed]] [[FromBadToWorse and, to top it all of,]] [[TheBadGuyWins the villain survived the apocalypse]]. So what's the moral here? Except for possibly "[[RageAgainstTheHeavens Screw the gods!]]"

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** In the sequel, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2'', it turns out that the only reason we didn't get an, at the very least, BittersweetEnding was because of [[DeusExMachina divine intervention]]. [[GodIsInept A divine intervention that has]] [[TemporalParadox seriously effed up causality]], set loose an [[DespairEventHorizon insane]] FallenHero with the intent to cause a TimeCrash for [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathetic]] [[AlwaysSaveTheGirl purposes]] and given Serah, the protagonist younger sister of the first game's younger sister, protagonist, [[DreamingOfThingsToCome a power]] that will, eventually, will [[YourDaysAreNumbered eventually and inevitably kill her]]. Luckily, she and her trusty companion, Noel, manages manage to stop the insane former hero and kill him, but at a heavy cost: Serah's power kills her.her as well. The message here should've been a [[BitterSweetEnding bitter sweet]] "TheNeedsOfTheMany"... The observant ones may have noticed the keywords "should've been" "''should've been''" there. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption Turns out that by killing the]] FallenHero, that fallen hero]], the heroes have [[UnwittingPawn the heroes have triggered the exact]] TimeCrash exact time crash]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the hero-turned-villain set out to trigger]], thus [[ItsAWonderfulFailure reality gets destroyed]] and, [[FromBadToWorse and, to top it all of,]] off]], [[TheBadGuyWins the villain survived the apocalypse]]. So what's the moral here? Except for possibly "[[RageAgainstTheHeavens Screw the gods!]]"



-->''This is the story of Michael, the ugliest boy in town''
-->''Ugly and weak, they called him a freak''
-->''So he lived on his own underground''
-->''He lived on his own underground'' (x2)
-->'''Shrignold:''' You see? Everyone has a special one.
-->''(Beat)''
-->'''Rabbit:''' Even Michael!

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-->''This is the story of Michael, the ugliest boy in town''
-->''Ugly
town''\\
''Ugly
and weak, they called him a freak''
-->''So
freak''\\
''So
he lived on his own underground''
-->''He
underground''\\
''He
lived on his own underground'' (x2)
-->'''Shrignold:'''
(x2)\\
'''Shrignold:'''
You see? Everyone has a special one.
-->''(Beat)''
-->'''Rabbit:'''
one.\\
''(Beat)''\\
'''Rabbit:'''
Even Michael!



--> '''Homer''': You know, when I was a boy I really wanted a catcher's mitt, but my dad wouldn't get it for me. So I held my breath until I passed out and banged my head on the coffee table. The doctor thought I might have brain damage.
--> '''Bart''': Dad, what's the point of this story?
--> '''Homer''': I like stories.

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--> '''Homer''': You know, when I was a boy I really wanted a catcher's mitt, but my dad wouldn't get it for me. So I held my breath until I passed out and banged my head on the coffee table. The doctor thought I might have brain damage.
-->
damage.\\
'''Bart''': Dad, what's the point of this story?
-->
story?\\
'''Homer''': I like stories.



** ''A Better World'' averted this in the finished product, but lost its Aesop when they were ''writing'' it. Batman and an [[KnightTemplar overly enthusiastic]] version of Batman from a [[EvilTwin parallel world]] are engaged in a freedom vs. safety debate. When writing the exchange, the writers intended to have the "real" Batman win with his freedom argument; however, when they gave the "evil" Batman a line about the murder of the Wayne family the writers could not think of any retort for the "good" Batman to make. They had meant for him to win the argument, but ended up convincing ''themselves'' that the "evil" argument was the right one (At least, that it was the right argument from the Batmans' perspective). Thankfully, they developed a retort for a later scene which featured one of the downsides of the totalitarian regime, and the final episode maintained its "Safety at all costs is not worth the price" message.

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** ''A Better World'' averted this in the finished product, but lost its Aesop when they were ''writing'' it. Batman and an [[KnightTemplar overly enthusiastic]] version of Batman from a [[EvilTwin parallel world]] are engaged in a freedom vs. safety debate. When writing the exchange, the writers intended to have the "real" Batman win with his freedom argument; however, when they gave the "evil" Batman a line about how things like the murder of the Wayne family will never happen again in the "evil" Batman's world, the writers could not think of any retort for the "good" Batman to make. They had meant for him to win the argument, but ended up convincing ''themselves'' that the "evil" argument was the right one (At least, that it was the right argument (at least from the Batmans' perspective).perspective of the two Batmen). Thankfully, they developed a retort for a later scene which featured one of the downsides of the totalitarian regime, and the final episode maintained its "Safety at all costs is not worth the price" message.



* The ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' episode "Walk on the Wild Side" seems to start out with a "girl power" message, as the female mutants form a crime-fighting team after they get fed up of not being apreciated after Scott's ChronicHeroSyndrome causes him to act like a shining knight and unthinkingly ruins the Aesop Jean was trying to teach Amara. Towards the ending, Cyclops and Nightcrawler decide to spy on the girls as they track down and confront a gang. The girls finally call it quits when a female police officer tells them that what they're doing is wrong... But after they leave, the policewoman turns out to be Mystique in disguise.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' episode "Walk on the Wild Side" seems to start out with a "girl power" message, as the female mutants form a crime-fighting team after they get fed up of not being apreciated appreciated after Scott's ChronicHeroSyndrome causes him to act like a shining knight and unthinkingly ruins the Aesop Jean was trying to teach Amara. Towards the ending, Cyclops and Nightcrawler decide to spy on the girls as they track down and confront a gang. The girls finally call it quits when a female police officer tells them that what they're doing is wrong... But after they leave, the policewoman turns out to be Mystique in disguise.



* The ''ThomasTheTankEngine'' special ''Misty Island Rescue''. The film is supposedly about making good decisions... only the writers themselves can't seem to decide whether or not Thomas should make decisions and think for himself, and the other characters never seem to object to Thomas's stupid choices, making the whole thing quite vague. The nearest to an accurate evaluation is when the Locos suggest to Thomas to simply accept you'll make bad choices every once in a while (though since this was in reaction to a feat that almost got them lost in the middle of nowhere forever even that might not be the best evaluation).

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* The ''ThomasTheTankEngine'' ''WesternAnimation/ThomasTheTankEngine'' special ''Misty Island Rescue''. The film is supposedly about making good decisions... only the writers themselves can't seem to decide whether or not Thomas should make decisions and think for himself, and the other characters never seem to object to Thomas's stupid choices, making the whole thing quite vague. The nearest to an accurate evaluation is when the Locos suggest to Thomas to simply accept you'll make bad choices every once in a while (though since this was in reaction to a feat that almost got them lost in the middle of nowhere forever even that might not be the best evaluation).



--> '''Buttercup''' "But from now on, um, uh... from now on, um, uh, I can't think of anything."

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--> '''Buttercup''' "But '''Buttercup:''' But from now on, um, uh... from now on, um, uh, I can't think of anything."



** There are way too many other episodes of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' with Lost Aesops to list here.

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** There are way too many other episodes of ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' ''Family Guy'' with Lost Aesops to list here.



--->'''Jake:''' Let's never be stupid again.
--->'''Finn:''' No, let's always be stupid, forever!

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--->'''Jake:''' Let's never be stupid again.
--->'''Finn:'''
again.\\
'''Finn:'''
No, let's always be stupid, forever!
22nd Jul '16 4:33:36 PM HighCrate
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* ''Film/ChasingAmy'' is very confused about what its Aesop even is. It starts out with something like, "it's useless to try to change someone; orientation is fixed and can't be altered to suit your convenience." That gets [[BrokenAesop broken]] when it turns out she's conveniently [[BiTheWay bisexual]] after all. Then it seems to be something like "true love knows no barriers," but of course several characters in the film really ''are'' 100% gay, so [[CluelessAesop that doesn't work]]. After that it's "don't get all worked up because your girlfriend has an adventurous sexual past," which would work, except that she also lied about it every step of the way, so it's at least a little more complicated than that. Then they give Silent Bob an awkward, tangentially-related monologue, [[TheUnfairSex blame the straight white guy for everything]], and call it a day.
3rd Jun '16 11:53:48 PM RavenWilder
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* Parodied in one episode of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', where Robin argues that the moral is that too much TV is bad for you since the villain of the week used television to attack them. However Starfire points out that this can't be correct since Beast Boy's knowledge of TV conventions was the only thing that allowed the Titans to defeat said villain. This causes the other Titans to decide that there ''wasn't'' a moral just a bunch of random, meaningless stuff that happened, much to Robin's consternation.

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* Parodied in one episode of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', where Robin argues that the moral is that too much TV is bad for you since the villain of the week used television to attack them. However Starfire points out that this can't be correct since Beast Boy's knowledge of TV conventions was the only thing that allowed the Titans to defeat said villain. This causes the other Titans to decide that there ''wasn't'' a moral just a bunch of random, meaningless stuff that happened, much to Robin's consternation.moral, with Cyborg cheerfully declaring, "It was all completely meaningless."
24th May '16 4:05:51 AM Redmess
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Blood Feud" deliberately invoked a Lost Aesop, when the family considered various morals to the story, and then realized that no, something happened that didn't fit, before eventually concluding "It was just a bunch of stuff that happened."

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
** The
episode "Blood Feud" deliberately invoked a Lost Aesop, when the family considered various morals to the story, and then realized that no, something happened that didn't fit, before eventually concluding "It was just a bunch of stuff that happened."
2nd May '16 5:28:48 AM erforce
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* ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'': not any individual entry in the series but the franchise as a whole jumps between ScrewDestiny and YouCantFightFate with regard to whether or not the heroes can stop Skynet from being built and initiating [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]] in which it kills off most of the human race. The first film has Skynet create a StableTimeLoop when Cyberdine uses a recovered piece of the Terminator it sent back [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast to build what will become Skynet]]. The second film [[ScrewDestiny cancels this out]], as the heroes have become GenreSavvy about the StableTimeLoop and do everything they can to destroy all Terminator/Skynet technology that could be used to build Skynet. The 3rd film [[note]]and the beginning of the post-Cameron canon that was intended to end with Terminator 2[[/note]] has Skynet activate and start Judgement Day later than originally fated but [[YouCantFightFate the message is it will still happen nonetheless]]. ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles'' fleshes it out even further, showing Skynet using TimeTravel to [[TrickedOutTime help create itself in the present day]] and sowing the seeds for Judgment Day to ensure that no matter how many alternate realities/futures are created by the heroes changing things in the present, Skynet is still the BigBad.

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* ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'': not any individual entry in the series but the franchise as a whole jumps between ScrewDestiny and YouCantFightFate with regard to whether or not the heroes can stop Skynet from being built and initiating [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Judgment Day]] in which it kills off most of the human race. The [[Film/TheTerminator first film film]] has Skynet create a StableTimeLoop when Cyberdine uses a recovered piece of the Terminator it sent back [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast to build what will become Skynet]]. The second [[Film/Terminator2JudgmentDay second]] film [[ScrewDestiny cancels this out]], as the heroes have become GenreSavvy about the StableTimeLoop and do everything they can to destroy all Terminator/Skynet technology that could be used to build Skynet. The 3rd film [[note]]and the beginning of the post-Cameron canon that was intended to end with Terminator 2[[/note]] ''Terminator 2''[[/note]] has Skynet activate and start Judgement Day later than originally fated but [[YouCantFightFate the message is it will still happen nonetheless]]. ''Series/TheSarahConnorChronicles'' ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'' fleshes it out even further, showing Skynet using TimeTravel to [[TrickedOutTime help create itself in the present day]] and sowing the seeds for Judgment Day to ensure that no matter how many alternate realities/futures are created by the heroes changing things in the present, Skynet is still the BigBad.
25th Apr '16 2:18:00 AM sonicsuns3
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** The aesop could be taken as "Everyone can be nice and get along, but only if they actually work out the details of whatever they're arguing about. Vapid slogans alone won't do the trick."

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** *** The aesop could be taken as "Everyone can be nice and get along, but only if they actually work out the details of whatever they're arguing about. Vapid slogans alone won't do the trick."
25th Apr '16 2:17:27 AM sonicsuns3
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** The aesop could be taken as "Everyone can be nice and get along, but only if they actually work out the details of whatever they're arguing about. Vapid slogans alone won't do the trick."
27th Mar '16 2:28:27 PM NNinja
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* ''WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse2002'' probably sets the record for aesop being lost 5 seconds after being presented. One episode involves Orko being assigned to make the palace garden bloom again. After several catastrophic failures, he heads out to find help, and in doing so unwittingly unleashes the SealedEvilInACan MonsterOfTheWeek. Once the crisis is averted (with help from a newly arriving hero), Orko admits in the final scene that tending a garden is too much for him, and Man-At-Arms turns this into AnAesop: knowing what you can and can't do is a sign of maturity. ''One line of dialogue later'', He-Man adds that if you try your hardest, you can accomplish anything. A {{Stock Aesop|s}} that effortlessly contradicts the entirety of the episode's plot up to that point, including the already-delivered moral? Bad form.
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