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11th Aug '16 9:52:57 PM JustinCognito
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** The upcoming ''TabletopGame/DeviantTheRenegades'' doesn't make it part of the KarmaMeter... because it's a default for the characters. Deviants have been so broken by being [[PlayingWithSyringes remade]] that they can only really define themselves by external principles or relationships; the "they" has been carved out.
30th Jul '16 2:50:20 AM Morgenthaler
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* The main theme of ''GeminiRue'' with the government ([[spoiler:and {{Yakuza}}]]) operating a special center where the criminals ([[spoiler:or just enemies of the Boryokudan]]) are mind-wiped and re-trained for a time before a final wipe and the creation of a new identity and plastic surgery. One of the protagonists, Delta-Six (AKA Charlie) is one such mind-wiped individual at Center 7, whose eventual fate is to be [[spoiler:turned into the second protagonist Azriel Odin, a Boryokudan assassin; but his conscience takes over, and he becomes a cop instead]]. At the end of the game, [[spoiler:Azriel is mind-wiped as well and left a blank slate; however, Echo-Five believes he is now free to be himself]].

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* The main theme of ''GeminiRue'' ''VideoGame/GeminiRue'' with the government ([[spoiler:and {{Yakuza}}]]) operating a special center where the criminals ([[spoiler:or just enemies of the Boryokudan]]) are mind-wiped and re-trained for a time before a final wipe and the creation of a new identity and plastic surgery. One of the protagonists, Delta-Six (AKA Charlie) is one such mind-wiped individual at Center 7, whose eventual fate is to be [[spoiler:turned into the second protagonist Azriel Odin, a Boryokudan assassin; but his conscience takes over, and he becomes a cop instead]]. At the end of the game, [[spoiler:Azriel is mind-wiped as well and left a blank slate; however, Echo-Five believes he is now free to be himself]].
8th Jul '16 5:56:45 AM Quanyails
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' In Creator/DonHertzfeldt's far-future [[CouchGag/TheSimpsons couch gag]], the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In Creator/DonHertzfeldt's far-future [[CouchGag/TheSimpsons couch gag]], the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise merchandise.
8th Jul '16 5:50:37 AM Quanyails
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* {{Persona 2}} turned this into even more horror with the Joker's curse. Sure, kid! Call in and get any wish you want! ''[[SchmuckBait Any wish!]]'' What they don't tell you is that if you're too weak or overuse the power, Joker drains you of your dreams, hopes and wishes, turning you into a Shadow Self that gradually fades into oblivion as you lose your identity to Joker's crystal skull. Funny thing, you see: the power to change reality ''is'' being fueled by your identity as an expendable resource. By rejecting reality and coasting by with Joker's power, you're weakening your connection to reality and getting closer to fading into a Shadow Self.

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* {{Persona 2}} ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' turned this into even more horror with the Joker's curse. Sure, kid! Call in and get any wish you want! ''[[SchmuckBait Any wish!]]'' What they don't tell you is that if you're too weak or overuse the power, Joker drains you of your dreams, hopes and wishes, turning you into a Shadow Self that gradually fades into oblivion as you lose your identity to Joker's crystal skull. Funny thing, you see: the power to change reality ''is'' being fueled by your identity as an expendable resource. By rejecting reality and coasting by with Joker's power, you're weakening your connection to reality and getting closer to fading into a Shadow Self.
8th Jul '16 5:48:57 AM Quanyails
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* Nero Chaos in {{Tsukihime}} long ago lost his human identity in favor of a collective. The collective is also losing its identify and turning into chaos. Currently, he simply intends to live long enough to figure out exactly what ''that'' is.

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* Nero Chaos in {{Tsukihime}} ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'' long ago lost his human identity in favor of a collective. The collective is also losing its identify and turning into chaos. Currently, he simply intends to live long enough to figure out exactly what ''that'' is.
8th Jul '16 5:47:07 AM Quanyails
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** [[spoiler:As well as Xehanort (or Terra's body with Xehanort's soul), whose memory was erased after being beaten by Terra's possessed armor and transported into Radiant Garden in Birth By Sleep.]]

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** [[spoiler:As well as Xehanort (or Terra's body with Xehanort's soul), whose memory was erased after being beaten by Terra's possessed armor and transported into Radiant Garden in Birth ''Birth By Sleep.Sleep''.]]
26th Jun '16 1:59:07 PM StFan
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* In ''Anime/SpiritedAway'', Yubaba binds people to her service by stealing their names and memories. Even Chihiro who was there for less than a day was already to beginning to forget her real name.



* [[spoiler:Oz Vessalius]] from PandoraHearts suffered an identity crisis very early in life after [[spoiler:his father completely rejected him]]. Being the [[CheerfulChild type of]] [[StepfordSmiler person]] that he is, he ''was'' able to eventually bounce back from that blow, [[BrokenHero although not entirely]]. As of Retrace LXXIV, however, [[spoiler:he seems to have lost his sense of purpose as well as any semblance of self-worth, all of which is the result of [[BreakTheCutie everything]] that [[MagnificentBastard Jack]] [[BreakThemByTalking did]] to him in the previous chapters.]]

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* [[spoiler:Oz Vessalius]] from PandoraHearts ''Manga/PandoraHearts'' suffered an identity crisis very early in life after [[spoiler:his father completely rejected him]]. Being the [[CheerfulChild type of]] [[StepfordSmiler person]] that he is, he ''was'' able to eventually bounce back from that blow, [[BrokenHero although not entirely]]. As of Retrace LXXIV, however, [[spoiler:he seems to have lost his sense of purpose as well as any semblance of self-worth, all of which is the result of [[BreakTheCutie everything]] that [[MagnificentBastard Jack]] [[BreakThemByTalking did]] to him in the previous chapters.]]



* ''{{Superman}}'' #296-299 had a storyline where Superman finds himself powerless as Clark Kent and spent most of it sticking to one identity while trying not to fall back on the other. In the end, he had come to a realization:
-->'''Superman:''' I tried to decide whether '''Clark''' or '''Superman''' is more important...and realized that to do away with '''one''' would be to '''kill''' half of myself--'''whoever''' I really am! So even '''before''' I got rid of my power problem, I'd decided...meek, mild-mannered '''Clark Kent''' will still walk the streets of the city, while up in the sky...the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--'''A JOB FOR SUPERMAN!'''
* In Alan Moore's ''{{ComicBook/Miracleman}}'' Michael Moran often feels pathetic in comparison to his alternate form/second personality, the titular Miracleman. Over time he gets less and less time to spend as himself, creating the sense that Miracleman is slowly and inadvertently taking over their body. [[spoiler: In the end, Michael realizes that this is exactly what's happening and than proceeds to write up what is essentially a suicide note. He than walks to a nearby secluded hilltop and tearfully says his transformation word one last time; when the transformation happens, Michael is gone forever and Miracleman never returns to his mortal form again.]]

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* ''{{Superman}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Superman}}'' #296-299 had a storyline where Superman finds himself powerless as Clark Kent and spent most of it sticking to one identity while trying not to fall back on the other. In the end, he had come to a realization:
-->'''Superman:''' I tried to decide whether '''Clark''' or '''Superman''' is more important... and realized that to do away with '''one''' would be to '''kill''' half of myself--'''whoever''' myself -- '''whoever''' I really am! So even '''before''' I got rid of my power problem, I'd decided...decided... meek, mild-mannered '''Clark Kent''' will still walk the streets of the city, while up in the sky...sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--'''A of -- '''A JOB FOR SUPERMAN!'''
* In Alan Moore's ''{{ComicBook/Miracleman}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Miracleman}}'' Michael Moran often feels pathetic in comparison to his alternate form/second personality, the titular Miracleman. Over time he gets less and less time to spend as himself, creating the sense that Miracleman is slowly and inadvertently taking over their body. [[spoiler: In the end, Michael realizes that this is exactly what's happening and than proceeds to write up what is essentially a suicide note. He than walks to a nearby secluded hilltop and tearfully says his transformation word one last time; when the transformation happens, Michael is gone forever and Miracleman never returns to his mortal form again.]]



* While KnightsOfTheOldRepublic fanfic adores this trope, the Brotherhood of Shadow fan-made expansion pack cranks it UpToEleven with virtually ''every'' major character abandoning, obliterating, and adopting new identities. A Twi'lek named Channa Mae was found by Jedi Master Solomon, who nicknamed her "Matilda." When the Mandalorian Wars came, Channa Mae abandoned Solomon and the Jedi, as well as the nickname, to fight for Revan's cause. After the war, she abandoned even the Channa Mae identity to become "Shadow," Revan's assassin/aide/secret apprentice. [[spoiler: When Revan "died," Shadow found her Force connection severed and became Sera Degana, a crewman on a smuggling vessel. But, then Revan and Solomon come back into her life...]] Another example is Kobayashi, [[spoiler: who was once a Jedi apprentice, and lost his own Force connection after his master was killed]], then took on a new identity as a scout and smuggler. Solomon also abandons ''his'' identity [[spoiler: after being critically wounded and thought dead on Taris. His goal is to kill Revan - and Shadow - to avenge his former Padawan and his niece (who Channa had to kill in self-defense)]]. The Brotherhood of Shadow itself cements it all - they were an elite Sith order who were critical in repelling the Rakatan invasion of their world, seeing themselves as a single unit, not as individuals. [[spoiler: When the first Sith Lords betrayed them, the entire Brotherhood was locked in a mind-trap. Over the millennia, they truly did become a single mind - one looking for a host]].

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* While KnightsOfTheOldRepublic fanfic adores ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' fanfics adore this trope, the Brotherhood "Brotherhood of Shadow Shadow" fan-made expansion pack cranks it UpToEleven with virtually ''every'' major character abandoning, obliterating, and adopting new identities. A Twi'lek named Channa Mae was found by Jedi Master Solomon, who nicknamed her "Matilda." When the Mandalorian Wars came, Channa Mae abandoned Solomon and the Jedi, as well as the nickname, to fight for Revan's cause. After the war, she abandoned even the Channa Mae identity to become "Shadow," Revan's assassin/aide/secret apprentice. [[spoiler: When Revan "died," Shadow found her Force connection severed and became Sera Degana, a crewman on a smuggling vessel. But, then Revan and Solomon come back into her life...]] Another example is Kobayashi, [[spoiler: who was once a Jedi apprentice, and lost his own Force connection after his master was killed]], then took on a new identity as a scout and smuggler. Solomon also abandons ''his'' identity [[spoiler: after being critically wounded and thought dead on Taris. His goal is to kill Revan - and Shadow - -- to avenge his former Padawan and his niece (who Channa had to kill in self-defense)]]. The Brotherhood of Shadow itself cements it all - -- they were an elite Sith order who were critical in repelling the Rakatan invasion of their world, seeing themselves as a single unit, not as individuals. [[spoiler: When the first Sith Lords betrayed them, the entire Brotherhood was locked in a mind-trap. Over the millennia, they truly did become a single mind - one looking for a host]].



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* In ''Anime/SpiritedAway'', Yubaba binds people to her service by stealing their names and memories. Even Chihiro, who is there for less than a day already begins to forget her real name.
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* In the scifi film Eleven, by Makodap, the main character Pete Baxter attempts to leave a future hotel without paying his bill. Before he can leave, a woman called miss Stevens gives him a gift of scotch, upon drinking it and phoning for call girl, Pete is [[PainfulTransformation transformed]] into the woman he ordered, and slowly starts to loose his mind, becomming her mentally.

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* In the scifi film Eleven, ''Eleven'', by Makodap, the main character Pete Baxter attempts to leave a future hotel without paying his bill. Before he can leave, a woman called miss Stevens gives him a gift of scotch, upon drinking it and phoning for call girl, Pete is [[PainfulTransformation transformed]] into the woman he ordered, and slowly starts to loose his mind, becomming her mentally.







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* In a different vein, the TV series ''NowhereMan'' had as its title character a man whose existence has been erased.

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* In a different vein, the TV series ''NowhereMan'' ''Series/NowhereMan'' had as its title character a man whose existence has been erased.



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* According to reincarnation doctrine, deceased souls are brought back to life in another body... but that doesn't mean they come back as a whole person or animal with any memories intact.
** The Dalai Lama is found each time by placing a young child in front of a wide selection of toys; he'll play with the same ones every time. So something is kept intact (then again, the Lama is said to be able to willingly decide if he reincarnates or not, so there's a belief that he has more control over this than a more less enlightened person).

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* According to reincarnation doctrine, deceased souls are brought back to life in another body... but that doesn't mean they come back as a whole person or animal with any memories intact.
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intact. The Dalai Lama is found each time by placing a young child in front of a wide selection of toys; he'll play with the same ones every time. So something is kept intact (then again, the Lama is said to be able to willingly decide if he reincarnates or not, so there's a belief that he has more control over this than a more less enlightened person).



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* In TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons, getting bitten by an Ophidian (snake-like creatures commonly found as slaves of the evil serpentine Yuan-ti) results in a not-so-pretty transformation process. After two weeks, the victim fully transforms into another Ophidian, with no memory of its previous existence.

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* In TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons, getting ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'':
** Getting
bitten by an Ophidian (snake-like creatures commonly found as slaves of the evil serpentine Yuan-ti) results in a not-so-pretty transformation process. After two weeks, the victim fully transforms into another Ophidian, with no memory of its previous existence.



** When dealing with undead, it tends to vary depending on the type. A mindless undead like a zombie is just an empty body, and with the proper magic a person could be resurrected with a new body that exists alongside the zombie, since the soul left the body upon death. A vampire on the other hand must be slain to bring back the person - the vampire has the memories and personality of the original, but is twisted into evil and the person brought back will be the original again.
* The TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness uses this often as an example of what happens when your KarmaMeter bottoms out.

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** When dealing with undead, it tends to vary depending on the type. A mindless undead like a zombie is just an empty body, and with the proper magic a person could be resurrected with a new body that exists alongside the zombie, since the soul left the body upon death. A vampire on the other hand must be slain to bring back the person - -- the vampire has the memories and personality of the original, but is twisted into evil and the person brought back will be the original again.
* The TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' uses this often as an example of what happens when your KarmaMeter bottoms out.



* TabletopGame/UnknownArmies features a SanityMeter with five separate variables. Self represents approaching this trope from one of two ways - either losing yourself in utter cynicism until you'd betray your old ideas ("Getting hardened,") or else taking so many blows to your sense of self you are just a wreck ("failed checks.") In either case, maxing out either end of this meter means there's virtually no "you" left in there.

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* TabletopGame/UnknownArmies ''TabletopGame/UnknownArmies'' features a SanityMeter with five separate variables. Self represents approaching this trope from one of two ways - either losing yourself in utter cynicism until you'd betray your old ideas ("Getting hardened,") or else taking so many blows to your sense of self you are just a wreck ("failed checks.") In either case, maxing out either end of this meter means there's virtually no "you" left in there.



* In ''{{Bionicle}}'', the plan of the BigBad Makuta Teridax involved trapping the entire Matoran population of Metru Nui into metal spheres, which, over time, deteriorated their physical bodies and wiped their memories clean. The Turaga elders had to reteach everything to them, however one Matoran, Ahkmou, accidentally ended up with Teridax himself, who proceeded to forge a new, evil identity for him.

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* In ''{{Bionicle}}'', the ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'':
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plan of the BigBad Makuta Teridax involved trapping the entire Matoran population of Metru Nui into metal spheres, which, over time, deteriorated their physical bodies and wiped their memories clean. The Turaga elders had to reteach everything to them, however one Matoran, Ahkmou, accidentally ended up with Teridax himself, who proceeded to forge a new, evil identity for him.



* [[VideoGame/LegacyOfKain Raziel]] goes through a fair amount of this. Wraith!Raziel (who [[AmnesiacDissonance doesn't remember his mortal life]] at all, just his vampiric and wraithly existences) meets Sarafan!Raziel and learns that his mortal self is a [[ColdBloodedTorture Sadistic]], [[HolierThanThou self righteous]] KnightTemplar douchebag. Vampire!Raziel was still a KnightTemplar but working for Kain instead of the Sarafan. Wraith!Raziel is still a KnightTemplar at points, but he's the poster boy for UnwittingPawn and CharacterDevelopment has left him with higher moral standards than his human or even vampiric self. He even calls his [[IHatePastMe former human self]] out [[EvenEvilHasStandards for his sadism]], tells him "[[ThatManIsDead I renounce you]]" and then kills him(self?). [[YourHeadAsplode Ouch]].
--> '''Human Raziel:''' "You're a righteous fiend, aren't you?"
--> '''Wraith Raziel:''' "[[{{Irony}} Apparently I am...]]"

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* [[VideoGame/LegacyOfKain Raziel]] ''VideoGame/LegacyOfKain'': Raziel goes through a fair amount of this. Wraith!Raziel Wraith Raziel (who [[AmnesiacDissonance doesn't remember his mortal life]] at all, just his vampiric and wraithly existences) meets Sarafan!Raziel Sarafan Raziel and learns that his mortal self is a [[ColdBloodedTorture Sadistic]], [[HolierThanThou self righteous]] KnightTemplar douchebag. Vampire!Raziel was still a KnightTemplar but working for Kain instead of the Sarafan. Wraith!Raziel is still a KnightTemplar at points, but he's the poster boy for UnwittingPawn and CharacterDevelopment has left him with higher moral standards than his human or even vampiric self. He even calls his [[IHatePastMe former human self]] out [[EvenEvilHasStandards for his sadism]], tells him "[[ThatManIsDead I renounce you]]" and then kills him(self?). [[YourHeadAsplode Ouch]].
--> '''Human -->'''Human Raziel:''' "You're You're a righteous fiend, aren't you?"
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you?\\
'''Wraith Raziel:''' "[[{{Irony}} [[{{Irony}} Apparently I am...]]"]]



* In ''ArcanaMagi'', this happens to Alysia. To the point that she believes her new identity IS her real identity, even though she still has some of her real original memories intact.
* A common fate of victims in TheSlenderManMythos.

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* In ''ArcanaMagi'', ''Literature/ArcanaMagi'', this happens to Alysia. To the point that she believes her new identity IS her real identity, even though she still has some of her real original memories intact.
* A common fate of victims in TheSlenderManMythos.Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos.






* ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'' has one short where Olive Oyl invites Popeye over for a good meal; Wimpy, ever the BigEater, disguises himself as Popeye to get the food himself. Despite the LatexPerfection of the disguise, he still manages to come off as an OddballDoppelganger, yet Olive is fooled, and Popeye himself suddenly laments the possibility that he is not himself.
* In DonHertzfeldt's far-future [[TheSimpsons Simpsons]] [[CouchGag/{{TheSimpsons}} couch gag]], the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise

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* ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'' has one short where Olive Oyl invites Popeye over for a good meal; Wimpy, ever the BigEater, disguises himself as Popeye to get the food himself. Despite the LatexPerfection of the disguise, he still manages to come off as an OddballDoppelganger, yet Olive is fooled, and Popeye himself suddenly laments the possibility that he is not himself.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' In DonHertzfeldt's Creator/DonHertzfeldt's far-future [[TheSimpsons Simpsons]] [[CouchGag/{{TheSimpsons}} [[CouchGag/TheSimpsons couch gag]], the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise




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* The MindManipulation tropes page would count, since it's about messing with people's loyalties and turning them against their friends and families.
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31st May '16 4:13:59 AM Doug86
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* In AndreNorton's ''[[Literature/{{Warlock}} Forerunner Foray]]'', Ziantha faces "erasure" if the Patrol catches her.

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* In AndreNorton's Creator/AndreNorton's ''[[Literature/{{Warlock}} Forerunner Foray]]'', Ziantha faces "erasure" if the Patrol catches her.
19th May '16 11:05:34 PM WillBGood
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** When he has, thanks to AmnesiacDissosance, forged a new life, [[http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-03-14 it perplexes Seymour, who asks who he is.]]

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** When he has, thanks to AmnesiacDissosance, AmnesiacDissonance, forged a new life, [[http://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-03-14 it perplexes Seymour, who asks who he is.]]
19th May '16 1:57:28 PM Willbyr
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* Sasami of ''TenchiMuyo'' had this. After a major fall when Ryoko invaded Jurai, she was rescued by Tsunami and bonded with her. For over 700 years, she wanted to tell someone the truth, that she was nothing more than a vessel and that the real Sasami was dead, but always stopped because she was afraid that if she did, they'd abandon her. Thanks to a mistake on her part, the others learn the truth, but quickly reassure her that they'd still love her. However, when Sasami passes out from all of the excitement does Tsunami reveal the truth - she never died that day. The trauma from the fall and rescue caused her to think that. She reassures everyone that when Sasami's older and can handle the truth, she'll learn it.

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* Sasami of ''TenchiMuyo'' ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'' had this. After a major fall when Ryoko invaded Jurai, she was rescued by Tsunami and bonded with her. For over 700 years, she wanted to tell someone the truth, that she was nothing more than a vessel and that the real Sasami was dead, but always stopped because she was afraid that if she did, they'd abandon her. Thanks to a mistake on her part, the others learn the truth, but quickly reassure her that they'd still love her. However, when Sasami passes out from all of the excitement does Tsunami reveal the truth - she never died that day. The trauma from the fall and rescue caused her to think that. She reassures everyone that when Sasami's older and can handle the truth, she'll learn it.
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