"You say you don't have any objectives? That's tragic, you know, but you are still confused. The fact that you are empty means that you can fill that emptiness with as much as you want. You happy person, where's a better future than that?"What defines "you"? The concept of identity, never mind the search for it, is a complicated question that fiction tries to answer. Beware though, fiction likes to throw us curve balls. Is it your memories? Those can be removed or altered. (Oh, are there ever so many ways.) How about your personality? Well, that changes over time naturally like it or not, but then again you can play someone else and find you like being them better. Is it your body... or your humanity? Less luck there, if it isn't a body swap it's a gender swap or something much worse. Does the soul have anything to do with this? Are you still "you" if you reincarnate? Then again, most of the previous changes are negative, but what about positive alterations? "Flowers for Algernon" Syndrome and What Measure Is a Non-Super? make you wonder just how valuable you are when you gain... or lose... faculties. The Mind Is a Plaything of the Body, after all. Don't let our meandering college philosophy depress you. After all, every non-nerve cell in your body is replaced in seven years (some die and get replaced, some go through mitosis and divide into two... wait, would that make those the same cell or two new ones? Does the original count as dead after that? Argh!), and change — the evolution of a personality — is natural. So you might as well wonder if you are the same "you" from five minutes, days, years, or decades ago. ...wait, why are you crying? Not to be confused with an Assimilation Plot, in which your identity is subsumed into a Hive Mind. Compare Split-Personality Merge, where two personalities become one, and Mental Fusion, where separate minds briefly become one. See also Amnesiac Lover, who doesn't know how to love back after becoming an amnesiac. Grand Theft Me can happen if said identity was stolen. Living in a society where you can't have a real identity is Individuality Is Illegal. See also Quest for Identity. Compare Lost in Character, where an actor becomes lost in a role. If this is a characters a backstory it might be Pre-Insanity Reveal.
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- Carefully analyzed in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, where the entirety of Fate's Dark Magical Girl role stems from being considered a mere tool by her "mother" and having the identity of her genuinely loved dead sister, to which her "mother" hates to no end.
- This is one of the central points in Serial Experiments Lain. Lain is a painfully reclusive girl who barely speaks to anyone, but what about the Lain who spends every night drinking and hooking up at the clubs? Later, when some of The Men in Black are asking her some questions, she asks "Who are you?" They turn the question around, and ask her when her father was born. She can't answer, because her family is fake and she was never human in the first place.
- This is also her source of angst in the final episode, when she wonders who she is after erasing herself from everyone's memories, discarding her physical body, and altering history so she was never there.
- The point of most Instrumentality plots - as seen on Neon Genesis Evangelion and Yu-Gi-Oh! GX among others - is to relieve humanity of the burden of isolation that comes with individual identities.
- A major theme of Kara no Kyoukai. Shiki wakes up after a two year coma and is only able to feel " " - literally nothing, emptiness. She is unable to connect herself to the "her" from her memories, and no longer has the "split personality" that she had been born with to keep her company. Her finding something to continue living for is a major issue for the rest of the series.
- Also done on a lesser scale with Tohko, who at one point created an exact duplicate of her body, down to the last detail, which made her realize that her own individuality was completely meaningless, as that body could exist as her on its own. She links it to her consciousness and sets it to wake up the instant her current body dies, so it quite literally is her, complete with memories and everything.
- In Monster, the orphanage Kinderheim 511 existed solely to do this to children of criminals and political undesirables in East Germany. They bit off more than they could chew with Johan, though.
- A darker take of Ranma's situation could lead to this. Additionally, in an anime-exclusive episode, Ranma banged his head hard after being swatted into the Koi Pond, and was taken over by an alternate personality that thought it truly was a girl, with almost insultingly stereotypical attitudes and tastes, in a situation that was one part this to one part Laser-Guided Amnesia. Fridge Logic on what might be going on with Ranma's real personality while the "girly Ranma" is in control can be terrifying if you're a fan of Ranma...
- Fullmetal Alchemist: As Envy said, the tortured souls that compose his body perished a long time ago in mind and body. This may be true for all other souls that make up the Philospher's Stone.
- Al is also drawn into a Heroic BSOD by Barry by implying that his memories and body were just crafted by Ed.
- Happens for real with Pride, who loses his memories and personality, and assumes the role of Selim Bradley.
- Light's Memory Gambit in Death Note could be seen as an example of this- when he relinquishes ownership of the Note, he becomes a genuinely different, better person. Of course, it doesn't last.
- What he becomes is himself, minus all Kira-related Character Development, but plus the character development of having encountered someone just as smart as himself (L may be smarter, but he handicaps himself with rules so it's hard to tell) and having something interesting going on in his life. Being totally selfish, he wouldn't have become Kira, gambling with his life and self, if he hadn't been bored to the depths of his soul, so there is a distinct difference even from the bright-eyed Light in the early chapters, let alone Kira at his height. Is this still 'him'? Maybe, maybe not. Hence all the questions at the top of the page.
- A possible outcome of repeating many Groundhog Day Loops in the When They Cry multiverse. At best you come out insane.
- This is one of the driving forces of Blue Drop: Tenshi no Bokura. The protagonist's male best friend had his brain downloaded by aliens and copied into the body of a female alien, and his real body was cremated. Over the course of the series the copy- and thus the human and masculine identity- slowly fade away, leaving behind the most definitely not human original inhabitant of the body. Worst of all, the human identity doesn't fade away entirely, and by the end, the creature that is left is too human to retain its alien identity, and too alien to retain its human identity.
- This is an effect of the conditioning given to the cyborgs of Gunslinger Girl, where they are turned into blank slates who can be programmed to perform any function needed and it ensures loyalty to The Handler. That's when it's deliberate, like when Jose finally crumbles under all of the stress of the job and keeping up pretense with Henrietta that he Took a Level in Jerkass and resets her with conditioning and use her to replace Beatrice, the unit's bomb-sniffing cyborg. This also happens to Angelica, whose faulty conditioning and implants causes her increasingly forgets things until her death.
- It also happens when the girls are first turned into cyborgs, as all of them are plucked from near death and it's best to condition over their mental trauma, although Rico still remembers what it's like before the Agency found her and Triela knows that she was found in Amsterdam.
- In Spirited Away, Yubaba binds people to her service by stealing their names and memories. Even Chihiro who was there for less than a day was already to beginning to forget her real name.
- In The Secret Agreement, while Kyuusai treats Yuuichi's blood finally awakening as the finding of an identity with the clan (which steals other people's life force in order to live), Yuuichi feels like his identity and all the meaning in his life has just been wrenched away. Particularly since it means his love for Iori is a delusion meant to enable Yuuichi to kill him, Yuuichi doesn't know how to navigate between what he thinks are real feelings and what his uncle says he must do.
- The driving force behind Kabuto's villainy in Naruto. Kabuto was orphaned and suffered a head injury that robbed him of his memories at a young age, so he doesn't even know his original name or family. The Leaf village employed him as a spy, which meant subsiding his own personality into cover identities on a regular basis. Then he got brainwashed by Sasori and turned into a puppet. He was eventually freed by Orochimaru and found peace of mind acting as his second-in-command, but lost that after Orochimaru was killed. Kabuto eventually decided to focus on attaining power surpassing any other ninja in an attempt to bring meaning to his nameless existence.
- "Tobi" attempts to invoke this about himself, burying his old identity under layers of Obfuscating Stupidity and other lies. When it turns out he's neither the harmless goofball or the stoic Uchiha Madara, he claims that he doesn't have a real self and is just a vessel for his master plan. However this is simply how he runs away from his painful past rather than accept that Rin willingly died to protect Konoha.
- Oz Vessalius from Pandora Hearts suffered an identity crisis very early in life after his father completely rejected him. Being the type of person that he is, he was able to eventually bounce back from that blow, although not entirely. As of Retrace LXXIV, however, he seems to have lost his sense of purpose as well as any semblance of self-worth, all of which is the result of everything that Jack did to him in the previous chapters.
- Sasami of Tenchi Muyo! had this. After a major fall when Ryoko invaded Jurai, she was rescued by Tsunami and bonded with her. For over 700 years, she wanted to tell someone the truth, that she was nothing more than a vessel and that the real Sasami was dead, but always stopped because she was afraid that if she did, they'd abandon her. Thanks to a mistake on her part, the others learn the truth, but quickly reassure her that they'd still love her. However, when Sasami passes out from all of the excitement does Tsunami reveal the truth - she never died that day. The trauma from the fall and rescue caused her to think that. She reassures everyone that when Sasami's older and can handle the truth, she'll learn it.
- In One Piece, on the island of Dressrosa the sentient toys were once humans transformed into toy creatures by a Devil Fruit power. It seems a majority of those close to the transformed victims not only don't recognize the victim they forget the person even existed.
- In Nobunaga no Chef, the title chef, Ken, has extensive knowledge of high-class cuisine and Japanese military history so he knows what foods he can and can't make, the outcomes of battles, who his boss Oda Nobunaga is and how he (Oda) will die — and that's it. He lost his memory when he "fell" into the past and the only other person who might know ("Ken! You must return to the Heisei era!") is killed. He gets the occasional flashback but these aren't terribly helpful since he doesn't remember who that guy was who taught him military history as a boy and what a buffet is.
- Superman #296-299 had a storyline where Superman finds himself powerless as Clark Kent and spent most of it sticking to one identity while trying not to fall back on the other. In the end, he had come to a realization:
Superman: I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important...and realized that to do away with one would be to kill half of myself—whoever I really am! So even before I got rid of my power problem, I'd decided...meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city, while up in the sky...the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of—A JOB FOR SUPERMAN!
- In Alan Moore's Miracleman Michael Moran often feels pathetic in comparison to his alternate form/second personality, the titular Miracleman. Over time he gets less and less time to spend as himself, creating the sense that Miracleman is slowly and inadvertently taking over their body. In the end, Michael realizes that this is exactly what's happening and than proceeds to write up what is essentially a suicide note. He than walks to a nearby secluded hilltop and tearfully says his transformation word one last time; when the transformation happens, Michael is gone forever and Miracleman never returns to his mortal form again.
- Loki: Agent of Asgard: The title character is repeatedly warned "ego-death is coming for you", implied to be this. Issue 13 ends with them apparently committing a Heroic Sacrifice by changing their very identity, complete with farewells to their human friend before doing it. When Loki finally reappears eight months later, they don't seem to have any memory of their friend. They do remember that she is their friend though, and they explicitly choose this and their brotherly love, as the core of their new identity.
- This is part of the hook of the Vertigo version of Human Target: Christopher Chance has no real sense of his own identity after spending his life impersonating other people. Even worse is his onetime pupil Tom McFadden, who managed to lose all memory of his original identity after some time impersonating Chance (and in turn impersonating a few others along the way) — there's a scene where he struggles fruitlessly to think of something about himself besides what he can see in the mirror.
- in Astro City, Beautie thinks her ignorance of where she came from makes her hollow.
- While Knights of the Old Republic fanfic adores this trope, the Brotherhood of Shadow fan-made expansion pack cranks it Up to Eleven with virtually every major character abandoning, obliterating, and adopting new identities. A Twi'lek named Channa Mae was found by Jedi Master Solomon, who nicknamed her "Matilda." When the Mandalorian Wars came, Channa Mae abandoned Solomon and the Jedi, as well as the nickname, to fight for Revan's cause. After the war, she abandoned even the Channa Mae identity to become "Shadow," Revan's assassin/aide/secret apprentice. When Revan "died," Shadow found her Force connection severed and became Sera Degana, a crewman on a smuggling vessel. But, then Revan and Solomon come back into her life... Another example is Kobayashi, who was once a Jedi apprentice, and lost his own Force connection after his master was killed, then took on a new identity as a scout and smuggler. Solomon also abandons his identity after being critically wounded and thought dead on Taris. His goal is to kill Revan - and Shadow - to avenge his former Padawan and his niece (who Channa had to kill in self-defense). The Brotherhood of Shadow itself cements it all - they were an elite Sith order who were critical in repelling the Rakatan invasion of their world, seeing themselves as a single unit, not as individuals. When the first Sith Lords betrayed them, the entire Brotherhood was locked in a mind-trap. Over the millennia, they truly did become a single mind - one looking for a host.
- Glory suffers this in Fallout: Equestria - Project Horizons when the Killing Joke (not the comic book, but a virulent, mutated, radioactive strain of Poison Joke) transforms her into a clone of Rainbow Dash. She finds herself losing most of her intelligence as Dash's harebrained adrenaline junkie personality overwrites her own calm, rational, intellectual one. And to make things worse, Rainbow Dash was her civilization's equivalent of Emmanuel Goldstein.
- In Mega Man: Defender of the Human Race, sometimes Mega Man is so busy being Mega Man that he forgets he can be Rock.
- Intercom features a much more "child friendly" version of this. Mostly because the one dealing with it IS a child. Riley Andersen has to come to terms with the fact that her emotions have personalities, wills, etc, and is seeking an understanding of how much they are or aren't responsible for how she thinks.
- Ripples has this start to happen to Will once she's forced to accept that she's not in a Lotus-Eater Machine, but has actually been spending years Trapped in the Past. This is especially due to the fact that, aside from her own memories, there's no evidence for the existence of "Will Vandom", while there's plenty for "Van Rivers".
- Dark City goes hog-wild with this trope. Every resident in the city (except Dr. Schreber, and even he's not truly spared) is not who they think they are. Every night, The Strangers will go in and mix up a new batch of memories for every person in The City. There is no telling how many years this is going on, and it's highly unlikely that there's any copies of each person's original memories, and thus personality.
- The 1996 movie adaptation of Casper expanded Casper's backstory, which involved him slowly losing his memories of his former life when he became a ghost. He does have recollections when he finds his old toy room, but it might just be a matter of time until he forgets who he is again. The idea of ghosts losing the identities of their living selves also becomes a tearjerker when Kat's father turns into a ghost and cannot remember who his own daughter was before he was resurrected in the Lazarus machine.
- In the scifi film Eleven, by Makodap, the main character Pete Baxter attempts to leave a future hotel without paying his bill. Before he can leave, a woman called miss Stevens gives him a gift of scotch, upon drinking it and phoning for call girl, Pete is transformed into the woman he ordered, and slowly starts to loose his mind, becomming her mentally.
- This is the crux for much of the drama in Regarding Henry, starring Harrison Ford. In it, the title character survives a gunshot wound to the head, only for the resulting pinched artery to affect his memory. Cue the rest of the movie depicting him coming to terms with not remembering anything about his life before the shot.
- This is a major theme of Ne Te Retourne Pas ("Don't Look Back"), as growing inconsistencies between Jeanne's memories and reality cause her to start question who she really is and how many of her memories are actually real.
- The movie The Wall for the Pink Floyd album The Wall, shows this symbolically. If you see a group of people wearing masks, such as on the train during "Another Brick In The Wall Part 2", or during the rally in "Run Like Hell", then this is what it means.
- Harry Potter:
- Dementors essentially do this to their victims. Just being near them for a few minutes is enough to drain the happiness out of you, and prolonged exposure leads to depression and the loss of will to live. Receiving a Dementor's "kiss", which steals your soul and leaves you with no sense of self at all, is seen as a Fate Worse Than Death.
- Memory charms are a means of rewriting a person's memories, and thus (in extreme cases) creating new identities for them.
- His Dark Materials: Intercision separates a person from their daemon. At best this means they become incurious and weak-willed, and at worst it means they hang around ghoulishly and then die.
- 1930s pulp hero Doc Savage maintained a secret installation where he used brain surgery and memory modification to 'cure' captured villains' criminal tendencies and turn them into productive members of society — practices that would be considered torture and brainwashing nowadays.
- In The Demolished Man, The reader only at the end discovers that "Demolition", the punishment for murder, is the erasing of all your memories. This is because they feel that anyone who flouts the system has the drive society needs, but obviously they don't want murderers running around. So your memories are erased and you can become a productive member of society.
- The Second Trip is about a new person, who was a criminal who had his memory erased and a new personality implanted in him. It is his "second trip" in life.
- This is the most important theme of Robert Bolt's play A Man for All Seasons. In his introduction to the play, Bolt explains how taking an oath is committing one's whole self to the statement. A man can lose his family, his job, and his wealth, but if he is willing to draw a line in the sand and say "I will not do this thing, under any circumstances", then he probably has a clear sense of who he is.
Thomas More: When a man takes an oath, he is holding his own self in his hands. Like water. [Cups hands] And if he opens his fingers then— he needn't hope to find himself again.
- One of the major characters in The World of Ptavvs is a telepath who seeks to understand aliens by absorbing their memories and worldviews, which become just as "real" to him as his own. Only the fact that he's still in his own body allows him to know which memories are his. Then he absorbs memories from another telepath, an alien who has much more experience with other species than he does, and spends most of the book identifying as and acting like that alien—first thinking he was somehow switched into another body, then being unable to emotionally accept that he's really an inferior human rather than an advanced alien. He snaps out of it when he discovers that he needn't feel inferior—the alien is actually incredibly stupid.
- Lieutenant Tisarwat in Ancillary Sword must rebuild her personality and sense of self after the ancillary implants connecting her to Anaander Mianaai are removed.
- Memory by Linda Nagata explicitly answers one of the above questions: if you reincarnate, you're not really the you that you once were. You have the same soulmate (of whom there's one and only one even if you can't stand each other), and you're likely to retain some old skills without any idea of how you learned them, but you can change your identity for better or worse, pulling yourself back from the Moral Event Horizon or dropping down into it.
- In John C. Wright's The Golden Age, Phaethon is suing for his father Helion to be declared dead, because the current Helion was resurrected from a recording an hour before the last version died. Helion repeatedly tries to reconstruct his last hour so he can figure out what he was thinking. What deeply disturbs Helion is not so much the possibility of being declared dead with his son inheriting all as the possibility that he really isn't the real Helion. In The Golden Transcendence, Daphne reveals to him the secret he was missing to reconstruct himself, and that he could not reconstruct it because he was afraid of losing his identity, when his last version had willingly lost his identity and life. After the Transcendence, a gift is given to Helion: a priority routine to transmit his information, so that the last thing to be transmitted will be his fear of losing himself and another such resurrection will not trouble him.
- The Worthing Saga explores this trope in quite some depth as it relates to memory. Every time someone enters suspended animation, their memories are completely wiped from their brain, and must be restored from a recording. Such recordings are rather fragile, and if yours breaks, you'd best restart your life from the beginning and relearn what you've forgotten, as trying to live with someone else's memories, knowing that they made choices that your instincts tell you are wrong, tends to cause insanity.
- The setting also has telepaths, who're subject to a lesser version of this trope. The memories of other people are just as real to them as their own, and if they happen to find a memory they'd rather not have, too bad—it's a part of them forever. The knowledge that they're still themselves tends to ward off insanity, though.
- One story in the setting, "Lifeloop," deals with this trope from an entirely different direction: the relationship between actors and their roles. The main character acts in real-time, unscripted porn films that are filmed over the course of several days, and has learned to fit herself perfectly to her roles. The actor she's matched with for one assignment breaks the fourth wall and confesses that he loves her, not the character she's playing. She goes along, improvising with him, but completely fails to realize that he isn't acting as well.
- In the X-Wing Series, there is a Deep Cover Agent named Gara Petothel who was trained from an early age to create a personality and a life, fully immerse herself in it, complete objectives including forming and betraying the closest of connections, and shed it without a qualm. To the point where later she can't even remember if her previous identities had friends and interests. At some point the handler who saw her between missions died before she came back into a splinter of Imperial service. There Gara became disgusted with her commanding officer's handling of his crew and arranged for his escape craft to be spotted by New Republic forces, then assumed a new identity and waited to be contacted, getting put into a New Republic fighter squadron. But something was different this time - she was affected by the Power of Trust and genuinely defected. She tried to throw away who she'd been and just be Lara Notsil, pilot, but she couldn't, and eventually her past came crashing in on her.
- "All the furniture that made up the way I'd thought and felt about things all my life started coming loose in my head. Nowadays it slides around and breaks into pieces and I have no idea what parts of it are real and what aren't. It hurts, and a lot of the time I don't know who I am anymore."
- Then things got complicated.
- Mike Resnick's short story "Me and My Shadow" posits a world akin to that in The Demolished Man, where convicted criminals are "erased" and given benign personalities. The narrator is one of these—except for the part where he still has a little voice in his head that tells him to kill people. And his new personality as an accountant is meticulous enough to make sure that this time, he won't get caught...
- Happens in the sci-fi novel The Lord Of The World by Russian author Alexander Belyaev. Ludwig Stirner, after realising that he cannot go on with his plans, releases Elza from the thoughts and feelings he programmed in her mind and apologizes to her. Finally, he decides the best way to deal with himself is to use his own machine against his mind to create a new identity, locking his true self deep within his subconsciousness, thus "ending Stirner's life" as he put it.
- In The Ringworld Engineers, Nessus gains leverage over Chmeee by dosing him with (hitherto unknown) Kzinti boosterspice. Because he is now younger and scar-free, he would lose his rather comfortable identity in Kzinti society unless he is provided with evidence to support his story.
- Chmeee also considers his scars to be part of his personal identity as a warrior, and the loss of them to be almost like losing his memories of the fights where he got them.
- After spending eighteen years near-catatonic due to losing the ability to feel positive emotions, the protagonist of Greg Egan's short story "Reasons to be Cheerful" undergoes a neurological experiment that gives him the capacity to consciously choose to enjoy or not enjoy things. Cue (w)angst over the fact that all his preferences are artificial, eventually leavened by the conclusion that everyone else' preferences are artificial too, and he's just more aware of it.
- In John C. Wright's Count To A Trillion, the princess's revelations leave Menelaus wondering who he is.
- In The Wereling Trilogy, most people who are turned into werewolves become violent and no longer identify with other humans.
- Several characters in A Song of Ice and Fire go through this.
- Arya Stark ends up joining "The Faceless Men" a guild of assassins that trains all its members to become 'no-one'. On the outside she claims it, but on the inside she struggles to let go of her previous identity.
- Sansa Stark lives under a pseudonym as 'Alayne Stone', Littlefinger's bastard daughter, and starts thinking of herself as Alayne rather than Sansa.
- Theon Greyjoy is tortured until he forgets his previous identity, instead taking on the identity of 'Reek'. He struggles between the two identities, but eventually regains his original identity.
- In Andre Norton's Forerunner Foray, Ziantha faces "erasure" if the Patrol catches her.
- Features heavily in Mockingjay with Peeta Mellark. The character in question is tortured, brainwashed and turned into a weapon against the rebellion in general and Katniss in particular. Katniss realizes that she's lost the Peeta she knew and had fallen in love with even though he's physically still alive. Lucky for her he eventually gets better.
- Tahiri in the New Jedi Order fears that this will happen to her after some Shapers partially turn her into a Yuuzhan Vong, especially when she realizes she sometimes thinks in the Yuuzhan Vong language, and it gets even worse later when her Vong side morphs into a full-fledged Enemy Within. She ends up resolving the issue via Split-Personality Merge, essentially creating a third identity combining the best elements of both.
- William Gibson in Neuromancer provides the example of Armitage / Corto. Corto begins as part of a US operation in Russia, but is betrayed by the US, mauled by air defenses, and later made to testify falsely by his superiors. Soon after, he disappears into the criminal underworld and emerges as Armitage, a man who literally sits in his hotel room staring at the floor when not working. It's a Justified Trope, since a rogue AI brainwashed Corto into becoming Armitage, and it eventually unravels spectacularly.
- In Those That Wake's sequel, Laura feels empty after losing her memories of the first book and Mal, and has no idea why because she can't remember—but she feels very strongly that her "normal" life is like a dream.
- In Pact, Padraic, an exiled faerie, tricks novice practitioner Maggie Holt into giving him her name, taking with it her identity. Padraic becomes Maggie Holt, and recognizable as such to everyone that Maggie knows, while Maggie becomes the nameless girl in the checkered scarf, slowly falling apart spiritually without the name that is the center of her being.
- In Jackrabbit Messiah by Geoph Essex, the title character has a bit of trouble staying in one place, to the point of losing his own sense of self when his iconic costume is taken away. Even his hallucinatory best friend will disappear when this happens, leaving him completely without any link to his own identity.
- In Iron Council, monks devoted to a god of secrets must forfeit knowledge about themselves in return for new insights. One such monk who travels with the Council starts out not knowing his/her own sex, and is later forced to yield up more and more of his/her self-knowledge in order to guide the group, eventually fading into oblivion from this trope.
- Journey to Chaos: Mana mutation scrambled Eric's mind and even after recovering from it he feels like a different person. Kallen consoles him by saying that everyone's identity changes as they grow older, and that his mutation did less to change him fundamentally than he thinks.
Live Action TV
- Babylon 5:
- Death of personality has replaced capital punishment. A machine wipes the personality and memory of a murderer and replaces them with a new set, letting them live out a life of willing hard community service with an assumed identity without them ever being the wiser. A telepath is present to perform scans before and after, so as to ascertain that the process has worked, but does not carry it out themself.
- The Vorlons and the Shadows leave the galaxy when they are asked their own Armor Piercing Questions and they realize they don't have answers to them anymore.
- Doctor Who: The Doctor's ability to regenerate is an interesting twist on this: the many incarnations of the Doctor have entirely different looks and personalities, yet they somehow remain fundamentally the same character.
- It's lampshaded heartbreakingly by the Tenth Doctor, who viewed each regeneration as the death of his current self.
- It's explored in the "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood" two-parter, where the Doctor's Memory Gambit creates a completely new and separate "John Smith" identity with his own personality and memories, who is terrified at the idea that restoring the Doctor's memories will kill him.
- In the episode "A Christmas Carol", the antagonist has a MacGuffin device with isomorphic controls which only he can operate, and he is unwilling to help save a crashing space ship. The Doctor meddles with his past, changing his memories and character in the process. When he finally succeeds in changing him to someone willing to help, the controls no longer respond because they no longer recognize him as the same person.
- It's seen in what happens to victims of Cyber-conversion. The memories remain, but what this form (called "Human.2" by the Cybermen) lacks is emotions and a true understanding of what happened to them. It has been seen that those Cybermen who are made to realize the truth generally blow up, as they cannot live in that form.
- In a different vein, the TV series Nowhere Man had as its title character a man whose existence has been erased.
- Joss Whedon:
- He begun to explore the effects of complete mental reprogramming in Dollhouse.
- It also happened on Angel when he wiped Connor's mind and gave him different memories, changing reality so that he was happy and well-adjusted. And apparently, gave some fairly specific instructions on what he wanted his new personality to be like.
- An unintentional (... probably) side effect of the Wraith retrovirus in Stargate Atlantis, at least until one of its more notable victims got his hands on it.
- Done in a rather heavy-handed way on Heroes, in the episode "I Am Sylar".
- More is sure to come in volume 5 once "Nathan" cottons on to the truth.
- Criminal Minds dealt with this in "Tabula Rasa": a serial killer awakens from a three-year coma with total retrograde amnesia. The BAU tried to prove him guilty, but a couple of them raise the point that even if they did prove that the man named Brian Matlof was responsible for the murderers, the Brian Matlof sitting in court could be argued to be a different person. Eventually his memories return, and he escapes, returning to one of the bodies to verify his own memories. When the BAU arrive, he threatens to kill himself, believing that he'll get the death penalty anyway, but Hotch says "if you really believe that you're a different person, prove it. Do the right thing", and Matlof decides to plead guilty instead, avoiding the death penalty.
- In Battlestar Galactica (2003) a number of characters suffer identity crises of various types. The Eights get the worst of this: Boomer almost shoots herself because she 'doesn't know who she is anymore'. She and other 'sleeper' cylons have serious identity crises when they discover that they've been cylons the entire time and that all their memories are falsehoods implanted by Cavil or other cylons.
- Supertramp's "The Logical Song":
"Please, please tell me what we've learnedI know it sounds absurdPlease tell me who I am."
- This pops up quite a bit in David Byrne's lyrics.
Somebody, somebody took away our name.
Somebody, somebody tell me who I am.
I can barely touch my own self. How could I touch someone else?
I am just an advertisement for a version of myself.
- Daniel Amos: The album Vox Humana has a short story in the liner notes where the narrator reaches an unusual conclusion: loss of identity comes not from changing too much, but from the complete lack of change.
The person who doesn't learn and does not act, I thought, disintegrates within. It is the chaos of growth, of taking new forms, that is the shield against those who spend all their time earning, spending and amusing themselves.
- A related philosophical question is called "The Ship of Theseus": if each plank in the ship is replaced when it starts to rot, and over time one-by-one every single plank is replaced, at what point (if ever) does it stop being the same ship? note Specifically, this trope is about the philosophical problem of personal identity. The general notion is that people stay more or less the same throughout their lives, despite changes to their bodies (if these changes do not drastically change the way the body functions). Just what makes several iterations the same person, is central to the debate. The debate itself is notorious for the heavy use of science-fiction examples, such as:
- A crucial part of The Hero's Journey, frequently manifested in the Belly of the Whale.
- Truth in Television: Lobotomies, a surgical procedure where the frontal lobes are removed (or a few vital areas are sliced), essentially destroying the personality of the individual concerned.
- Phineas Gage
- It seems to depend. During the period where lobotomies were a popular treatment for troubled teens, a "doctor" developed the non-skull-breaking technique of sticking a thin rod through the eye socket, swerving around the eyeball, and stirring it around in the frontal lobe. There's a picture of said doctor merrily doing this to two patients at once. Results varied wildly. Some people hardly seemed affected at all, aside from being very pissed about it. Brains are complicated things that can form new connections to make up for some damage. That's how despite losing brain cells every year, humans don't peak in intelligence at twenty-five and get stupider from that point on. Brain cells can take up a lot of slack.
- Lobotomies, in their original form, certainly have a well-deserved reputation for being dangerous and damaging the subject's personality, but modern developments (such as the cingulotomy) are apparently far less so, and can be far more successful in alleviating mental disorders without disrupting an individual's personality. The book Opening Skinner's Box by Lauren Slater devoted a chapter to psychosurgery where she pointed out that cingulotomy surgery tends to be much more effective than conventional psychopharmocological drugs in treating long-lasting mental disorders, but the former is still stigmatized as highly unsafe and invasive, so surgery is rarely carried out. In the US, an individual with severe mental disabilities must demonstrate that a large variety of drugs have had no effect in alleviating their suffering before a cingulotomy will be considered.
- There's also The Myth of Fingerprints, where fingerprints from say 8 years ago are identified as Alice, but since the entire body regenerates it's not really the same person after enough time passes. Even brain & nerve cells do replace themselves, but they do it so slowly that the effect is negligible, which is why it took so long for scientists to notice.
- That logic was played with by Terry Pratchett in one of the Discworld books. Sgt. Colon, in an attempt to look somewhat more intelligent, makes the 7 years comment. Nobby then raises the tattoo question. Fred's response is that those cells came from other people's tattoos, which might qualify as fridge squicknote . Colon, at least, is excused for ignorance.
- Query: if the nerves connecting the two lobes of the brain are cut, what happens to the self, or the sense of self? What happens to "I"?
- Very little, as it turns out. Corpus callosotomies are rarely but regularly performed to alleviate severe epilepsy. Speech and memory are affected some, and a few glitches may become evident when information would normally cross those nerves, but the sense of self is usually entirely intact. This is because other pathways between the hemispheres remain intact. Information transfer is reduced, not eliminated.
- In the Big Finish Doctor Who episode "The Natural History of Fear", the setting is a George Orwell style dystopia. The state Editor, who's in charge of "revision", has the Doctor's voice, but he acts like a completely different person. When it's revealed that "revision" is pretty much an irreversible lobotomy followed by a brand new personality implant, we get some idea of what may have happened to him and his companions... to add to the Mind Screw, it's the only Big Finish episode that has only a cast list instead of a proper credits list.
- According to reincarnation doctrine, deceased souls are brought back to life in another body... but that doesn't mean they come back as a whole person or animal with any memories intact.
- The Dalai Lama is found each time by placing a young child in front of a wide selection of toys; he'll play with the same ones every time. So something is kept intact (then again, the Lama is said to be able to willingly decide if he reincarnates or not, so there's a belief that he has more control over this than a more less enlightened person).
- In Dungeons & Dragons, getting bitten by an Ophidian (snake-like creatures commonly found as slaves of the evil serpentine Yuan-ti) results in a not-so-pretty transformation process. After two weeks, the victim fully transforms into another Ophidian, with no memory of its previous existence.
- Similarly, a Mind Flayer larva devours the brain of a host humanoid, and absorbs the host body as part of its own, in a process called ceremorphosis. The newborn creature has no memory of its host's existence. However, mind flayers scare other mind flayers with stories of the Adversary, a mind flayer who retained its host's personality and, in revenge, dedicated itself to destroying mind flayer society from the inside.
- Also true of some varieties of slaad (embodiments of Chaotic Neutral), of bodaks (featureless beings similar to but distinct from doppelgangers), and of many varieties of undead. This seems to be associated with magical creatures that are either evil, or so chaotic as to be completely beyond conventional morality.
- When dealing with undead, it tends to vary depending on the type. A mindless undead like a zombie is just an empty body, and with the proper magic a person could be resurrected with a new body that exists alongside the zombie, since the soul left the body upon death. A vampire on the other hand must be slain to bring back the person - the vampire has the memories and personality of the original, but is twisted into evil and the person brought back will be the original again.
- The New World of Darkness uses this often as an example of what happens when your Karma Meter bottoms out.
- Vampire: The Requiem — hit Humanity 0 and your Beast takes over, reducing you to a predatory draugr that cares only about feeding.
- Werewolf: The Forsaken — hit Harmony 0 and the human half of your spirit decays entirely as some other type of spirit fills the gap, turning you into a zi'ir.
- Changeling: The Lost — hit Clarity 0 and you disappear into anything from constant hallucination to utter catatonia and if you do it when you're Wyrd 10, you become one of the Gentry.
- Also, this game takes the trope much more literally, as the page image implies; the vast majority of changelings can't return to their former existences because they have literally lost their identities, as the Gentry create Fetches, magic-spawned Artificial Humans, to adopt the lives of those they take as slaves. As a result, the changelings find their old identity has been taken from them, so they are forced to make new lives for themselves. Well, that, or try and kill the Fetch to steal their identity back...
- Geist: The Sin-Eaters — hit Synergy 0 and your soul departs entirely, leaving your geist to use your body as a flesh puppet to fulfill its strange desires. There's also the Ocean of Fragments, where you can take a dip into the waters and lose pieces of your identities. Starting with the smallest motes, you'll then lose formatives, truths, and finally natals. And after that, there's one last thing you can lose, the statement "I am." No one knows what happens to those who lost that very last thing, but they never return. On the other hand, you can also grab other identifiers, so you can reconfigure your self as you see fit. Of course, it won't be easy nor practical, but it's definitely an option.
- Mummy: The Curse plays around with it; whereas the default for most supernaturals is Morality 7, most Arisen rise from their slumbers with Memory 3, meaning they're little more than divine murder machines in service to the Judges. It's only as they remain awake that they start remembering who they were over the years... only to have to face the possibility of forgetting it all again with the inevitable return to the tomb.
- In Nobilis, the lifepath example in Antithesis 1i features a girl who nobody listened to, who found that people would listen if she repeated the sounds made by the local environment. So she kept doing so, until one day, she realised she no longer knew who she was or what she would say - she had become nothing but the voice of Morrowen Hollow. And then the Voice, the pattern of sound, took on a life of its own.
- Unknown Armies features a Sanity Meter with five separate variables. Self represents approaching this trope from one of two ways - either losing yourself in utter cynicism until you'd betray your old ideas ("Getting hardened,") or else taking so many blows to your sense of self you are just a wreck ("failed checks.") In either case, maxing out either end of this meter means there's virtually no "you" left in there.
- In BIONICLE, the plan of the Big Bad Makuta Teridax involved trapping the entire Matoran population of Metru Nui into metal spheres, which, over time, deteriorated their physical bodies and wiped their memories clean. The Turaga elders had to reteach everything to them, however one Matoran, Ahkmou, accidentally ended up with Teridax himself, who proceeded to forge a new, evil identity for him.
- Another example is what happened to the Toa Mata. Due to their malfunctioning canisters, they drifted for such a long time in the ocean that their muscles rotted away (even though the canisters were sealed) and their body parts got jumbled together. When they awoke and put themselves back together, it took some time for their lost identities to reemerge, however only their leader Tahu got his full memories back eventually.
- In Earthbound, when you initially get control of Poo he has an encounter where a spiritual being strips away his body and identity, and even though it's framed as a battle, you can't keep going unless you don't resist.
- This was a major plot revelation in Final Fantasy VII, when we discover that Cloud Strife, due to psychological trauma and denial, had altered his own memories and adopted the persona of his dead friend Zack Fair, losing his own identity in the process.
- A main theme in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, where Kairi's nobody, Naminé, was used by Organization XIII to rearrange and implant new memories into Sora's heart to make him a controllable pawn. Also happens to Sora's nobody, Roxas, who's memories are wiped by Ansem the Wise and placed in a simulated world with a completely new identity.
- Xion counts too. Her memories are just a copy of Sora's.
- As well as Xehanort (or Terra's body with Xehanort's soul), whose memory was erased after being beaten by Terra's possessed armor and transported into Radiant Garden in Birth By Sleep.
- ...and the villains, who appear not to remember Sora and his gang despite him kicking their asses in the earlier games.
- This trope is the ultimate fear of Lamia Loveless. When she asked the question "What is left from a soldier, when you take away their mission?", which got rebuked with the answer: "There's still human left!", she slowly starts noticing her identity as a normal soul (despite being Artificial Human). Further interaction and she finally learns to value her own identity, but feared that she would one day turn into a mindless doll, which prompts Kyosuke to promise her that he'd destroy her the moment she ever turns that way... But then, comes the ODE and Duminuss, all who attempted to rob her identity of a new human being and try to turn her into a mindless doll, like the way she was created, and almost succeeded permanently if it wasn't for Axel's interference (and a bit of her willpower).
- In Metal Gear Solid, after the Cyborg Ninja slices off Revolver Ocelot's hand, he has a Freak Out upon seeing Solid Snake: He starts to bang his head against the floor while exclaiming that he's losing himself. To fix it, he picks a fight with Solid Snake, egging him on to hit him. It works, because he has been on the receiving end of Solid Snake's punches before, as Gray Fox. Muscle memory trumps brainwashing.
- And in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, someone learns rather bluntly that they're nothing more than a fake created to take the heat and assassination attempts off of the real deal. The problem? That someone is Big Boss, or rather his phantom we played throughout the game, who lost all their memories and sense of identity to become a sort of collective identity of Big Boss himself and further the legend. By the end, he only smirks at realizing his role and accepting it regardless of the truth.
- Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door: Mario gets his identity and body stolen in the middle of a boss fight by a Duplighost called "Doopliss". It seems that this even rendered him unable of pronouncing the word "Mario", since Vivian can't understand his answer when she asks him for his name.
- Nero Chaos in Tsukihime long ago lost his human identity in favor of a collective. The collective is also losing its identify and turning into chaos. Currently, he simply intends to live long enough to figure out exactly what that is.
- In Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice For All, this is part of Ini/Mimi Miney's motivation to murder. She was in a horrible car accident in which the real Ini, her younger sister, was killed. She gave them Ini's photo to reconstruct her face with because she was ashamed of being the nurse whose mistakes (she partially blames on the victim) killed patients. Then in her breakdown, she despairs that she had to keep living as her sister for the rest of her life.
- Also done in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies where the Phantom, an international spy and assassin who caused the HAT-1 incident and is the murderer of Clay and Metis, claims he cannot remember who he once was or what he used to look like due to taking on the disguises of other people for so long.
- Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns does this with its Ceyah faction, who have abandoned Kohan society in search of greater power and adopted new identities; some go so far as to change their appearance by altering their form or donning a mask.
- The sequel adds new wrinkles to this by adding the Fallen faction - Kohan who have gone so far over the line that even the Ceyah want nothing to do with them; Ceyah who join the Fallen often abandon their Ceyah identities and mutate even farther. The Fallen's leader Abbadon is an extreme example of this; not only has he mutated into a city-smashing monster, but he gains the power to force the Fallen transformation in others, Ceyah or otherwise.
- Planescape: Torment's entire story is arguably about this trope. Up until the point where the player took over, The Nameless One lost his identity every time he died. Trying to recover just who it is you 'are' through the multitudes of former yous who have existed across time is a cornerstone of the entire game.
- Persona 2 turned this into even more horror with the Joker's curse. Sure, kid! Call in and get any wish you want! Any wish! What they don't tell you is that if you're too weak or overuse the power, Joker drains you of your dreams, hopes and wishes, turning you into a Shadow Self that gradually fades into oblivion as you lose your identity to Joker's crystal skull. Funny thing, you see: the power to change reality is being fueled by your identity as an expendable resource. By rejecting reality and coasting by with Joker's power, you're weakening your connection to reality and getting closer to fading into a Shadow Self.
- Digital Devil Saga has this as a potential side effect of the Demon Virus. The hardiest and strongest once-human enemies are almost all consumed by their demonic identities.
- Present in Shin Megami Tensei IV as part of Mastema's curse upon Michael, Uriel and Raphael, fitting the three with masks blotting their identities and power they were unable to remove by themselves. Eventually, with the help of the Samurai, Gabriel springs them and removes the masks.
- Raziel goes through a fair amount of this. Wraith!Raziel (who doesn't remember his mortal life at all, just his vampiric and wraithly existences) meets Sarafan!Raziel and learns that his mortal self is a Sadistic, self righteous Knight Templar douchebag. Vampire!Raziel was still a Knight Templar but working for Kain instead of the Sarafan. Wraith!Raziel is still a Knight Templar at points, but he's the poster boy for Unwitting Pawn and Character Development has left him with higher moral standards than his human or even vampiric self. He even calls his former human self out for his sadism, tells him "I renounce you" and then kills him(self?). Ouch.
Human Raziel: "You're a righteous fiend, aren't you?"Wraith Raziel: "Apparently I am..."
- In Resident Evil 2, Birkin suffers from this after his G-Virus induced transmutation.
- In the Neverwinter Nights fan module Excrucio Eternum, the elf girl Songbird has literally no sense of self because she has been in a cage her entire life, and has been brainwashed to refer to herself as "it".
- In the Mass Effect universe this is one of the early signs of Reaper indoctrination. The ability of victims to think clearly and maintain a sense of self degrades and they eventually become little more than slaves of the Reapers, believing them to be gods and the only good thing in the universe. And then come the Dragon's Teeth.
- Big Daddies in BioShock normally are mind-wiped, but some unfortunately retained their minds.
- The main theme of Gemini Rue with the government (and Yakuza) operating a special center where the criminals (or just enemies of the Boryokudan) are mind-wiped and re-trained for a time before a final wipe and the creation of a new identity and plastic surgery. One of the protagonists, Delta-Six (AKA Charlie) is one such mind-wiped individual at Center 7, whose eventual fate is to be turned into the second protagonist Azriel Odin, a Boryokudan assassin; but his conscience takes over, and he becomes a cop instead. At the end of the game, Azriel is mind-wiped as well and left a blank slate; however, Echo-Five believes he is now free to be himself.
- This happens in Undertale. The protagonist is not a faceless player-insert, but their own person with their own personality who's at the whims of you, the player. If you take the Genocide route, the protagonist is slowly consumed by the vengeful spirit of the Fallen Child. By the end of the playthrough, the pacifistic, kindhearted Frisk is fully replaced by the sociopathic, omnicidal Fallen to the point where their facial features and even their shirt change to that of the Fallen.
- Shirou of Fate/stay night suffered this during the fire ten years ago, where he lost all of his memories and even sense of self. Shirou's entire personality is built on his guilt from surviving and his admiration of how happy Kiritsugu had been when he saved him. When Archer points out how empty his dream and personality are it nearly destroys Shirou.
- In Misfile, Ash is turned into a girl and history is rewritten to reflect that Ash had always been a girl. Even though Ash has a good (apparently better) life, he believes that he can't give in because if he does, it's tantamount to suicide for boy!Ash. Worse, if the misfile is exposed and covered up, he won't have a choice any more. Ash is constantly proving to himself that he's still the Ash he remembers instead of the Ash that the rest of the world remembers.
- In a recent storyline of The Wotch (which generally tends to gloss over this trope), Ivan wrestles with this after he is transformed as Disproportionate Retribution for snooping and trespassing by Miranda West, and eventually comes out for the better by reasserting his goals.
- Depending on how you look at things, Ellen in El Goonish Shive is either Elliot's Opposite-Sex Clone, or a magical curse given human form. She has all of Elliot's memories up to the point when she split off from him, and initially believes herself to be Elliot, then snaps and tries to become a villain (with the emphasis on "tries"), then becomes a Death Seeker, and finally develops her own identity as Elliot's "sister."
- This trope is the reason that Justin refuses to allow himself to be permanently transformed into a girl (he knows that a girl being attracted to guys would earn him less ridicule than being a guy attracted to guys). Even if it would make his life easier, he still identifies as a man.
- In Jack, it's one of the major plot points. The titular anti-hero/villain is undergoing eternal punishment for his sins (which, as it later turns out, include wiping out the entire human race) - but his last wish in life, which was also part of the punishment, was not to remember anything. A major motive in the comic is Jack gradually regaining his memories - and the source of many people wondering, is he still the same person when he remembers everything?
- In TwoKinds, this happens to Trace twice: first when his mind is destroyed, and again when he loses his memories. It's theorized that his nice side is real because that's how he was before lost his mind for the first time.
- In Sinfest
- Lil Evil foolishly washes himself with the waters of the Lethe and wants to know who he is.
- When he has, thanks to Amnesiac Dissosance, forged a new life, it perplexes Seymour, who asks who he is.
- The orange devil girl coped for a long time without even realizing. however, when introducing herself to the fembot, she realized that she didn't know her own name.
- In Archipelago, Anthony becomes Blitz (a name Credenza gives him when he can't remember his own) after his mind is completely shattered and his memories lost when Raven's possession attempt goes horribly wrong. His former colleagues come across him weeks later and point out how he'd changed entirely, more or less becoming another person.
- In Far Out, the central robot starts to realize what he wants to be, though he has no clue who he is, or was.
- Happens in many, many Transformation, Robot, or other such things pictures, stories, comics, and other such things. There's a very good chance that, if transformed into something else, a character will cease to be who they are. Occurs often in the work of Arania, and also in some of the stories of Amhein.
- Also frequently the end result of Age Regression works; after the character is physically age-regressed, they may or may not retain their memories and personality; however even if they do not immediately fall back into childish behaviour patterns, such changes usually happen whether they are preferable or not. This often affects memories as well, such that the process of regression will cause them to forget that they are regressing; it's hard to fight against something that you don't even know is happening to you until it's too late....
- In Arcana Magi, this happens to Alysia. To the point that she believes her new identity IS her real identity, even though she still has some of her real original memories intact.
- A common fate of victims in The Slender Man Mythos.
- In Worm, Taylor suffers mental deterioration from Panacea tampering with her brain that erodes her memories and her sense of self and eventually results in a complete loss of identity.
- Adventure Time has the Ice King, who Was Once a Man, and lost his memory and most of his personality as he lost his humanity to an Artifact of Doom. Its implied he might still be in there somewhere, but buried so deep not even he knows it anymore.
- Steven Universe: Lapis Lazuli has been encased in a mirror for millennia, so it's shocking she still has a sense of self when she's released by Steven. Ironically, after being imprisoned in various places a few more times, she agrees to form a monstrous fusion called Malachite with Jasper, even though she's aware she'll likely have to allow the other to take the reins. However, this is flipped on its head when she takes control of the fusion using her water manipulation and, once again, imprisons herself and the other at the bottom of the ocean. She's shown fighting for control of the fusion in "Chille Tid," and delivers this line which hints at the beginning of her losing her sense of self, something that can happen when one's been fused for too long:
Lapis Lazuli: "I'm not Lapis anymore. We're Malachite now."
- Spoofed in the SpongeBob SquarePants episode "Missing Identity", where SpongeBob misplaces his name tag and treats it as Serious Business.
- In the Teen Titans animated series, Fixit tries to "repair" Cyborg by taking away all that made him human and replacing it with fully mechanical parts and a mechanical brain. Cyborg is justifiably freaked out, because, without his humanity, he'd be just a emotionless machine with his memories. Eventually, it is Cyborg's humanity that causes Fixit to remember what he lost.
- Xiaolin Showdown - One of the Shen Gong Wu, The Monkey Staff, turns the user into a being with a similar appearance, strength, agility and balance to a monkey. However, if used at a particular time, the user will believe that he or she is an actual monkey, and his or her human memories will be erased until the staff is taken away.
- Popeye has one short where Olive Oyl invites Popeye over for a good meal; Wimpy, ever the Big Eater, disguises himself as Popeye to get the food himself. Despite the Latex Perfection of the disguise, he still manages to come off as an Oddball Doppelganger, yet Olive is fooled, and Popeye himself suddenly laments the possibility that he is not himself.
- In Don Hertzfeldt's far-future Simpsons couch gag, the design of the characters and the show changes so radically that by the year 10,535 the Simpson family has been reduced to a disturbing collection of caricatured mutants that can only sputter broken catchphrases and hock merchandise
- The Mind Manipulation tropes page would count, since it's about messing with people's loyalties and turning them against their friends and families.