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17th Apr '17 6:20:32 PM Saveelich
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* Surnames are usually inherited patrilineally (at least in Western countries). That fact, plus the prevalence of this trope and its relatives, may be why so many things about ancestry are counterintuitive people think in terms of a SingleLineOfDescent.

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* Surnames are usually inherited patrilineally (at least in Western countries). That fact, plus the prevalence of this trope and its relatives, may be why so many things about ancestry are counterintuitive people think in terms of a SingleLineOfDescent. NomDeMom is pretty rare as a result.
14th Apr '17 4:12:04 PM mouschilight
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': Subverted. It becomes really clear, really early on that Naruto's father is the village hero, the Fourth Hokage, Minato Namikaze. It then turns out that the one who Naruto got all the important stuff from was his ''mother'', Kushina Uzumaki, and Naruto's being her child is emphasized far more by the characters and the story itself.

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': Subverted. It becomes really clear, really early on that Naruto's father is the village hero, the Fourth Hokage, Minato Namikaze. It then However, it turns out that the one who whom Naruto really got all the important stuff from was his ''mother'', Kushina Uzumaki, and Naruto's Naruto being her child is emphasized far more by the characters and the story itself.
13th Apr '17 11:32:12 AM Gamermaster
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* Inverted with Ginga and Subaru Nakajima from ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers''. Despite having been raised by their father, almost everything about them came from their late mother, including their [[FullContactMagic fighting]] [[RollerbladeGood style]], [[AncestralWeapon weapons]], and [[StrongFamilyResemblence looks]]. [[spoiler:[[ClonesArePeopleToo Even their genetics came exclusively from her]].]]

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* Inverted with Ginga and Subaru Nakajima from ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers''. Despite having been raised by their father, almost everything about them came from their late mother, including their [[FullContactMagic fighting]] [[RollerbladeGood style]], [[AncestralWeapon weapons]], and [[StrongFamilyResemblence [[StrongFamilyResemblance looks]]. [[spoiler:[[ClonesArePeopleToo Even their genetics came exclusively from her]].]]
13th Apr '17 11:31:50 AM Gamermaster
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* Inverted with Ginga and Subaru Nakajima from ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers''. Despite having been raised by their father, almost everything about them came from their late mother, including their [[FullContactMagic fighting]] [[RollerbladeGood style]], [[AncestralWeapon weapons]], and [[StrongFamilyResemblence looks]]. [[spoiler:[[ClonesArePeopleToo Even their genetics came exclusively from her]].]]
13th Apr '17 11:17:00 AM Gamermaster
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* Averter for both Namor and Aquaman. Both heroes are kings who trace their royal lineage from their mothers.

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* Averter Averted for both Namor and Aquaman. Both heroes are kings who trace their royal lineage from their mothers.
10th Apr '17 1:10:31 AM Karxrida
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* Averted, subverted/inverted, or played straight, depending on the character, in [[FinalFantasyVII Final Fantasy VII]]:

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* Averted, subverted/inverted, or played straight, depending on the character, in [[FinalFantasyVII [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Final Fantasy VII]]:
6th Apr '17 3:00:36 PM cherrychels
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** This whole concept is interestingly subverted with bastard children who have one high-born parent, though. In many cases, the father is noble while the mother is a commoner. In such situations, the child is a noble-born bastard child but not able to inherit their father's lands/titles/name/etc, even though they are their father's blood and the father's blood is the more important factor. While it's definitely true that men are more "important" lineage-wise in ASOIAF, it's interesting that simply having a noble father is not enough to make one noble -- the father has to publicly acknowledge the child for them to be a noble-born bastard child. Acknowledged, noble-born bastard children are given the regional surnames based on the land their noble father is from to indicate they are of noble blood, while the bastard children commoner fathers are given no names at all.

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** This whole concept is interestingly subverted with bastard children who have one high-born parent, though.usually the father. In many cases, the father is noble while the mother is a commoner. In such situations, the child is a noble-born bastard child but not able to inherit their father's lands/titles/name/etc, even though they are their father's blood and the father's blood is the more important factor. While it's definitely true that men are often more "important" lineage-wise in ASOIAF, it's interesting that simply having a noble father is not enough to make one noble -- the father has to publicly acknowledge the child for them to be a noble-born bastard child. Acknowledged, noble-born bastard children are given the regional surnames based on the land their noble father is from to indicate they are of noble blood, while the bastard children of commoner fathers are given no names at all.
6th Apr '17 2:58:19 PM cherrychels
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** This whole concept is interestingly subverted with bastard children who have one high-born parent, though. In many cases, the father is noble while the mother is a commoner. In such situations, the child is a noble-born bastard child but not able to inherit their father's lands/titles/name/etc, even though they are their father's blood and the father's blood is the more important factor. While it's definitely true that men are more "important" lineage-wise in ASOIAF, it's interesting that simply having a noble father is not enough to make one noble -- the father has to publicly acknowledge the child for them to be a noble-born bastard child. Acknowledged, noble-born bastard children are given the regional surnames based on the land their noble father is from while children of smallfolk fathers are given no names at all.

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** This whole concept is interestingly subverted with bastard children who have one high-born parent, though. In many cases, the father is noble while the mother is a commoner. In such situations, the child is a noble-born bastard child but not able to inherit their father's lands/titles/name/etc, even though they are their father's blood and the father's blood is the more important factor. While it's definitely true that men are more "important" lineage-wise in ASOIAF, it's interesting that simply having a noble father is not enough to make one noble -- the father has to publicly acknowledge the child for them to be a noble-born bastard child. Acknowledged, noble-born bastard children are given the regional surnames based on the land their noble father is from to indicate they are of noble blood, while the bastard children of smallfolk commoner fathers are given no names at all.
6th Apr '17 2:56:32 PM cherrychels
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* GenderInverted in ''Franchise/SailorMoon'', where almost all the planetary kingdoms across the universe are implied to be matriarchal (all of them are shown being ruled by princesses and queens with the exception of Earth) and the power of the Moon Kingdom is explicitly passed down mother to daughter. Princess Serenity inherited her royal title from her mother (her father is never referred to in any way, not even indirectly, and [[TrulySingleParent may in fact be completely nonexistent]]) and also received her powers as Sailor Moon after her mother reincarnated her. The same holds true for Chibi-usa - her mother, Neo-Queen Serenity, is clearly the one in charge of Crystal Tokyo and is who Chibi-usa inherits her title of princess and eventual senshi powers from.

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* GenderInverted in ''Franchise/SailorMoon'', where almost all the planetary kingdoms across the universe are implied to be matriarchal (all of them are shown being ruled by princesses and queens with the exception of Earth) and the power of the Moon Kingdom is explicitly passed down mother to daughter. Princess Serenity inherited her royal title from her mother (her father is never referred to in any way, not even indirectly, and [[TrulySingleParent may in fact be completely nonexistent]]) and also received her powers as Sailor Moon after her mother reincarnated her. The same holds true for Chibi-usa - Chibiusa -- her mother, Neo-Queen Serenity, is clearly the one in charge of Crystal Tokyo and is who Chibi-usa Chibiusa inherits her title of princess and eventual senshi powers from.



** Though subverted with Izumo/Gyo-Oh, a half-demon who's father was human and his mother was a bull demon. He inherited his philosopher-like intellect (and the name Izumo for his human form) from his father's side, and his monsterous evil tendancies from his mother.

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** Though subverted with Izumo/Gyo-Oh, a half-demon who's father was human and his mother was a bull demon. He inherited his philosopher-like intellect (and the name Izumo for his human form) from his father's side, and his monsterous monstrous evil tendancies tendencies from his mother.



* In ''ComicBook/WhiteSand'', Kenton's stubborness and Sand Master abilities both come from his father, though with Kenton having a MissingMom, it's uncertain how much he got from his mother apart from dark skin.

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* In ''ComicBook/WhiteSand'', Kenton's stubborness stubbornness and Sand Master abilities both come from his father, though with Kenton having a MissingMom, it's uncertain how much he got from his mother apart from dark skin.



** Averted in Dorne, where gender isn't important. The eldest child inherits, period. [[spoiler: They took control of the female "heir" to the Baratheon line, and in their eyes she became heir after her elder brother died. The rest of Westeros considers her younger brother to be ahead of her, but given there's already a civil war going on that's not a big roadblock.]]
** If [[EpilepticTrees fan theories]] about Jon Snow's parentage are correct [[spoiler:he takes strongly after his mother, Lyanna Stark, but not much at all after his father Rhaegar Targaryen]]

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** Averted in Dorne, where gender isn't important. The eldest child inherits, period. period, regardless of whether or not they are male or female. [[spoiler: They took control of the female "heir" to the Baratheon line, and in their eyes eyes, she became heir after her elder brother died. The rest of Westeros considers her younger brother to be ahead of her, but given there's already a civil war going on that's not a big roadblock.]]
** If [[EpilepticTrees fan theories]] about Jon Snow's parentage are correct correct, [[spoiler:he takes strongly after his mother, Lyanna Stark, Stark -- Ned Stark's sister -- but not much at all after his biological father Rhaegar Targaryen]]



** This whole concept is interestingly subverted with bastards who have one high-born parent, though. Most of the time, the father is noble, while the mother is a commoner (usually a prostitute.) In these cases, the child is a bastard and not able to inherit their father's lands/titles/name/etc, even though they are their father's blood and the father's blood is the important one. While it's definitely true that men are more "important" lineage-wise in ASOIAF, it's interesting that having a noble father is not enough to make one noble.

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** This whole concept is interestingly subverted with bastards bastard children who have one high-born parent, though. Most of the time, In many cases, the father is noble, noble while the mother is a commoner (usually a prostitute.) commoner. In these cases, such situations, the child is a noble-born bastard and child but not able to inherit their father's lands/titles/name/etc, even though they are their father's blood and the father's blood is the more important one. factor. While it's definitely true that men are more "important" lineage-wise in ASOIAF, it's interesting that simply having a noble father is not enough to make one noble.noble -- the father has to publicly acknowledge the child for them to be a noble-born bastard child. Acknowledged, noble-born bastard children are given the regional surnames based on the land their noble father is from while children of smallfolk fathers are given no names at all.



* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since Jon's mother is missing and her identity is totally unknown by most people (including him), a great deal more emphasis is put on Jon's Stark lineage because despite being the illegitimate son of Ned Stark, he's the kid who echoes Ned the most and looks the most like him, he spent his life in the North entrenched by its ways and customs, and is the least influenced by Catelyn's southern ways since he's her unfavourite. This is even a plot point by the end of Season 6 when the Northern lords are willing to overlook his illegitimacy and name him as the King in the North because Jon is the last surviving son of Ned Stark (as far as they know) and the living embodiment of a Northern warrior. However, it's revealed that in fact he is the biological son of Rhaegar Targaryen and his Stark lineage comes from his mother, Lyanna Stark.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since Jon's mother is missing [[MissingMom missing]] and her identity is totally unknown by most people (including him), a great deal more emphasis is put on Jon's Stark lineage because despite being the illegitimate son of Ned Stark, he's the kid [[LikeFatherLikeSon who echoes Ned the most most]] and looks the most like him, he spent his life in the North entrenched by its ways and customs, and is the least influenced by Catelyn's southern ways since he's her unfavourite. This is even a plot point by the end of Season 6 when the Northern lords are willing to overlook his illegitimacy and name him as the King in the North because Jon is the last surviving son of Ned Stark (as far as they know) and most people know), the living embodiment of a Northern warrior. However, warrior, and the one who can lead them [[ZombieApocalypse in the true war to come]]. [[spoiler:However, it's revealed that in fact he is the biological ''nephew'' of Ned Stark since we learn he is the son of Ned's sister Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen and his Jon's Stark lineage comes from his mother, Lyanna Stark.''mother.'']]



* The Ottoman dynasty had a rather different system of producing heirs than Christian rulers in Europe, where having a noble mother and being born within wedlock was very important in order to be considered a legitimate succession candidate. The sultans would make celibate marriages with foreign princesses for purely political reasons, and have sex with their concubines in order to actually produce children since they didn't want royal heirs being raised or influenced by a wife who was from foreign nobility. Many of these concubines were of low birth, but it didn't matter because the Ottomans believed that everything important comes from the father, and thus their children were just as eligible to become sultan as one born to the sultan's legal wife would have been. Ideally the sultan would cease relations with a concubine after she produced her first son, the idea being that she would concentrate taking care of that one son instead of having her attention dividied between several. As long as multiple concubines produced sons there would still be plenty of potential heirs. Suleyman the Magnificent precipitated the breakdown of this system by marrying his concubine Hurrem Sultan and having multiple children with her, which is said to have increased the influence that royal mothers had over the court.

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* The Ottoman dynasty had a rather different system of producing heirs than Christian rulers in Europe, where having a noble mother and being born within wedlock was very important in order to be considered a legitimate succession candidate. The sultans would make celibate marriages with foreign princesses for purely political reasons, and have sex with their concubines in order to actually produce children since they didn't want royal heirs being raised or influenced by a wife who was from foreign nobility. Many of these concubines were of low birth, but it didn't matter because the Ottomans believed that everything important comes from the father, and thus their children were just as eligible to become sultan as one born to the sultan's legal wife would have been. Ideally the sultan would cease relations with a concubine after she produced her first son, the idea being that she would concentrate taking care of that one son instead of having her attention dividied divided between several. As long as multiple concubines produced sons there would still be plenty of potential heirs. Suleyman the Magnificent precipitated the breakdown of this system by marrying his concubine Hurrem Sultan and having multiple children with her, which is said to have increased the influence that royal mothers had over the court.
6th Apr '17 12:40:18 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Since Jon's mother is missing and her identity is totally unknown by most people (including him), a great deal more emphasis is put on Jon's Stark lineage because despite being the illegitimate son of Ned Stark, he's the kid who echoes Ned the most and looks the most like him, he spent his life in the North entrenched by its ways and customs, and is the least influenced by Catelyn's southern ways since he's her unfavourite. This is even a plot point by the end of Season 6 when the Northern lords are willing to overlook his illegitimacy and name him as the King in the North because Jon is the last surviving son of Ned Stark (as far as they know) and the living embodiment of a Northern warrior. However, it's revealed that in fact he is the biological son of Rhaegar Targaryen and his Stark lineage comes from his mother, Lyanna Stark.
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