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5th Nov '17 6:45:14 AM Psyclone
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* In ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'', [[spoiler:V just about completely destroys England's fragile economy in order to "free" the public for the Norsefire government.]]

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* In ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'', [[spoiler:V just about completely destroys England's fragile economy in order to "free" the public for from the Norsefire government.]]
23rd Sep '17 12:35:21 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Discworld/GoingPostal'', this forms the core of the emnity between Reacher Gilt and Lord Vetinari. Gilt, a [[AynRand Randian]] archetype and a completely CorruptCorporateExecutive who thinks nothing of screwing over his fellow man (including theft, embezzlement and outright murder) for fun or profit, represents the 'liberty'. Vetinari, a [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavellian]] autocrat and [[TheChessmaster Thud-master]] who believes the most important part of freedom is the freedom to take the consequences for your own follies but ultimately given second chances (an 'angel') if you can use it to turn your life around, represents the 'prosperity'. [[spoiler:After Vetinari successfully guides protagonist Moist von Lipwig into defeating Gilt, it's implied Gilt [[IDieFree intentionally killed himself in the epilogue]] by stepping into a pit of spikes rather than do like Moist and take a government job.]]

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* In ''Discworld/GoingPostal'', this forms the core of the emnity between Reacher Gilt and Lord Vetinari. Gilt, a [[AynRand [[Creator/AynRand Randian]] archetype and a completely CorruptCorporateExecutive who thinks nothing of screwing over his fellow man (including theft, embezzlement and outright murder) for fun or profit, represents the 'liberty'. Vetinari, a [[Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli Machiavellian]] autocrat and [[TheChessmaster Thud-master]] who believes the most important part of freedom is the freedom to take the consequences for your own follies but ultimately given second chances (an 'angel') if you can use it to turn your life around, represents the 'prosperity'. [[spoiler:After Vetinari successfully guides protagonist Moist von Lipwig into defeating Gilt, it's implied Gilt [[IDieFree intentionally killed himself in the epilogue]] by stepping into a pit of spikes rather than do like Moist and take a government job.]]
22nd Sep '17 4:49:56 PM StrixObscuro
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* In ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'', [[spoiler:V just about completely destroys England's fragile economy in order to "free" the public for the Norsefire government.]]
* In ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'', the original team were all children of obscenely wealthy families, but after their parents' deaths, they chose to live off the grid in a base under La Brea Tar Pits.



* ''Film/TheMatrix'': Everyone who lives outside of the Matrix has basically chosen this. [[spoiler: [[TheCorruptible Cypher]], however, has [[FaceHeelTurn second thoughts...]]]] Of course, since the Matrix is a representation of the world as it was in 1999, not everyone has prosperity there anyway. Agent Smith states a utopia was once attempted, but no one would accept the programming, with it [[LotusEaterMachine being seen as a dream]] they "kept trying to wake up from" and "entire crops were lost."

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* ''Film/TheMatrix'': Everyone who lives outside of the Matrix has basically chosen this. [[spoiler: [[TheCorruptible [[spoiler:[[TheCorruptible Cypher]], however, has [[FaceHeelTurn second thoughts...]]]] Of course, since the Matrix is a representation of the world as it was in 1999, not everyone has prosperity there anyway. Agent Smith states a utopia was once attempted, but no one would accept the programming, with it [[LotusEaterMachine being seen as a dream]] they "kept trying to wake up from" and "entire crops were lost."
22nd Sep '17 4:31:10 PM erforce
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** Later, however, he blames Kirk for the hardship his people experienced on the planet, including losing his wife, and goes on [[Film/StarTrekTheWrathOfKhan a quest for revenge]].

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** Later, however, he blames Kirk for the hardship his people experienced on the planet, including losing his wife, and goes on [[Film/StarTrekTheWrathOfKhan [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan a quest for revenge]].
31st Jul '17 6:51:55 PM DarkDestruction
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*This is the general stance of Resistance troops and senior staff in ''VideoGame/XCOM2''. An example, where [[TheAtoner Dr. Tygan]] acts as a devil's advocate in this case:
->'''Bradford:''' ''ADVENT's got their propaganda machine working overtime...we're still seeing a steady flow of migrants heading into the cities.''
->'''Dr. Tygan:''' ''I'm not sure they have to do all that much convincing at this point.''
->'''Bradford:''' ''...And I'm not sure I'd trade having a chip in my head for a few hot meals and the cure for the common cold.''
->'''Dr. Tygan:''' ''Maybe not-but what about the terminally ill? The elderly, or the disabled? The aliens can offer them something we can't-something most people would trade anything for.''
->'''Bradford:''' ''You're wrong about that, Doctor. We can offer them freedom, even if it means they have to endure the pains of being human.''
29th May '17 3:44:39 AM Codefreak5
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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': The main conflict between Lucio and Vishkar Corporation (and to a small extension, their NobleTopEnforcer, Symmetra) boils down to this. Vishkar believes that Prosperity and order prevails over all else, they have built prosperous cities where people are living in great standards, and believes freedom is just an illusion that causes more harm, so they strove to make the world more prosperous, even if they have to resort to corrupt methods like slavery or destroying cultural icons. At least that is what Symmetra believed, but she's starting to doubt whether they're really aiming for prosperity of all like she's doing or [[CorruptCorporateExecutive just trying to line in more profit for them or imposing their will]]. On the other hand, Lucio is the guy who believes in Liberty greatly that he drove Vishkar when they went too far in oppressing his home. While he's now rich because of his rebellion making him an international superstar, his favela home still remained dirt poor, but he considers it a fair price, they still retained their freedom and he can still deliver his fortune to his home.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': The main conflict between Lucio and Vishkar Corporation (and to a small extension, their NobleTopEnforcer, Symmetra) boils down to this. Vishkar believes that Prosperity and order prevails over all else, they have built prosperous cities where people are living in great standards, and believes freedom is just an illusion that causes more harm, so they strove to make the world more prosperous, even if they have to resort to corrupt methods like slavery or destroying cultural icons. At least that is what Symmetra believed, but she's starting to doubt whether they're really aiming for prosperity of all like she's doing or [[CorruptCorporateExecutive just trying to line in more profit for them or imposing their will]]. On the other hand, Lucio is the guy who believes in Liberty so greatly that he drove Vishkar out when they went too far in oppressing his home. While he's now rich because of his rebellion making him an international superstar, his favela home still remained dirt poor, but he considers it a fair price, they still retained their freedom and he can still deliver his fortune to his home.
12th May '17 7:04:57 PM Fireblood
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** Later, however, he blames Kirk for the hardship his people experienced on the planet, including losing his wife, and goes on [[Film/StarTrekTheWrathOfKhan a quest for revenge]].
3rd Mar '17 6:21:16 PM ChrisX
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* ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'': The main conflict between Lucio and Vishkar Corporation (and to a small extension, their NobleTopEnforcer, Symmetra) boils down to this. Vishkar believes that Prosperity and order prevails over all else, they have built prosperous cities where people are living in great standards, and believes freedom is just an illusion that causes more harm, so they strove to make the world more prosperous, even if they have to resort to corrupt methods like slavery or destroying cultural icons. At least that is what Symmetra believed, but she's starting to doubt whether they're really aiming for prosperity of all like she's doing or [[CorruptCorporateExecutive just trying to line in more profit for them or imposing their will]]. On the other hand, Lucio is the guy who believes in Liberty greatly that he drove Vishkar when they went too far in oppressing his home. While he's now rich because of his rebellion making him an international superstar, his favela home still remained dirt poor, but he considers it a fair price, they still retained their freedom and he can still deliver his fortune to his home.
21st Feb '17 1:56:50 PM Gosicrystal
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* Done again in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' should you [[spoiler:side with the Minutemen and help them destroy the Institute. The Institute's technological marvels in the fields of robotics and bioscience are LostForever, but at least the Commonwealth is still in the hands of the wastelanders who live in it, rather than the testing ground for the amok experiments of a handful of shady scientist types.]]

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* Done again in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' should you [[spoiler:side with the Minutemen and help them destroy the Institute. The Institute's technological marvels in the fields of robotics and bioscience are LostForever, [[PermanentlyMissableContent lost]], but at least the Commonwealth is still in the hands of the wastelanders who live in it, rather than the testing ground for the amok experiments of a handful of shady scientist types.]]
10th Feb '17 2:40:07 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Ygritte admits the wildlings have poorer industry and weapons than the rest of Westeros, but they are free.
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