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* An inverted example in ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'', when [[spoiler:a pair of bounty hunters after Vash the Stampede mistake one another for Vash, because of the wildly varying descriptions of him that are floating around]]. All within sight of Vash.
* ''Anime/SonicX'', "Cracking Knuckles", carrying on a tradition from the [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog video games]]. Knuckles manages to believe the villain way too often for his own good.



* [[VillainSue Naraku]] from ''Manga/InuYasha'' should have won an Oscar for the number of times he plotted his enemies (and allies) against each other. One particularly nasty example is when he told Sango that Inuyasha slaughtered everyone in her village, leading her to almost kill herself trying to get revenge. Another such instance is when Naraku lures both Koga and Inuyasha to his castle and sets them up to make Koga believe Inuyasha wiped out his clan, tricking them into a life-and-death battle; then sends in his subordinates to kill the survivor. Of course, in both cases, he had arranged the massacre himself.
* Subverted in ''Manga/SamuraiChamploo''. In the first episode both Mugen and Jin get into separate fights with the samurai in the town they are wandering through. When the two cross paths, Mugen believes Jin is one of the samurai sent to kill him and immediately attacks. When Mugen learns that Jin actually killed the town's samurai, Mugen becomes even more excited at the prospect of fighting a tougher opponent. The entire show consists of Mugen and Jin trying to fulfill their obligation to Fuu so they can finally fight each other, and the series constantly hints that no matter how close Mugen and Jin grow in their quest, their eventual duel will be to the death. [[spoiler: Averted in the end when they decide not to, having come to like one another far too much.]]
* The CrossOver movie ''Anime/LupinIIIVsDetectiveConan'' only has minor elements of this; Conan is chasing a RebelliousPrincess who [[PrinceAndPauper switched places with Ran]], but said princess has befriended Fujiko, leading to a chase sequence where Conan's rocket-powered skateboard actually manages to tail Fujiko's bike.
* In ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'', the first fight between Negi and Setsuna (in the {{furo|Scene}}) has distinct overtones of this. Negi loses. [[GroinAttack Painfully]].

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* [[VillainSue Naraku]] from ''Manga/InuYasha'' should ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'':
** The Orsola Aquinas Rescue Arc has Touma, Index, and Stiyl fighting the Amakusa Catholics, who seem to
have won an Oscar for kidnapped Orsola Aquinas. Eventually, it turns out the number of times he plotted his enemies (and allies) against each other. One particularly nasty example is when he told Sango that Inuyasha slaughtered everyone in her village, leading her to almost kill herself Amakusa Catholics were trying to get revenge. Another such instance is when Naraku lures both Koga ''save'' her, as the Roman Catholic Church was going to have her tortured and Inuyasha to his castle and sets them executed. Once the misunderstanding is cleared up, they all team up to make Koga believe Inuyasha wiped out his clan, tricking them save her.
** During the DRAGON Arc, Shiage Hamazura runs
into a life-and-death battle; then sends in his subordinates to kill the survivor. Of course, in both cases, he had arranged the massacre himself.
* Subverted in ''Manga/SamuraiChamploo''. In the first episode both Mugen
Accelerator and Jin get into separate fights with the samurai in the town they are wandering through. When the two cross paths, Mugen believes Jin is one of the samurai attacks him, thinking he was sent to kill his girlfriend Rikou Takitsubo. Accelerator easily defeats him and immediately attacks. When Mugen learns that Jin actually killed leaves. Shiage realizes he was mistaken and berates himself.
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the town's samurai, Mugen becomes even more excited at the prospect basics of Yukumi Hisako's Agitate Halation plan: manipulate ''every'' hero into fighting a tougher opponent. The entire show consists of Mugen and Jin trying to fulfill their obligation to Fuu so they can finally fight each other, and the series constantly hints that no matter how close Mugen and Jin grow in their quest, their eventual duel will be to the death. other until she has [[{{Ubermensch}} created a world without heroes]]. To do this, [[spoiler: Averted in the end when they decide not to, having come to like one another far too much.]]
* The CrossOver movie ''Anime/LupinIIIVsDetectiveConan'' only has minor elements of this; Conan is chasing
she creates a RebelliousPrincess who [[PrinceAndPauper switched places signal that gives anybody with Ran]], but said princess has befriended Fujiko, leading heroic tendencies an uncontrollable urge to protect a chase sequence where Conan's rocket-powered skateboard actually little girl named Fremea Seivelun. Unfortunately, these people then perceive everybody else as a threat to her and attack them]].
** Touma
manages to tail Fujiko's bike.
* In ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'',
convince Othinus to pull a HeelFaceTurn, but then must defend her from all his allies and her enemies, who refuse to believe his explanations and think that he's either gone to the first fight between Negi and Setsuna (in the {{furo|Scene}}) has distinct overtones of this. Negi loses. [[GroinAttack Painfully]].dark side or been brainwashed.



* ''Manga/OnePiece'' puts an interesting spin on this. In the Whiskey Peak arc, the crew had been proudly welcomed by the town, which was used by bounty hunters from Baroque Works to rob and/ or kill unsuspecting pirates while they slept. When the bounty hunters attack Zoro, he defeats them all. A chain of events are set up for the saga as he comes face to face with two agents of the aforementioned organization, Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine. But [[IdiotHero Luffy]], after learning Zoro attacked the other Baroque Works agents and unaware they weren't as nice as they seemed, becomes enraged and attacks Zoro, who calmly tries to explain before Luffy attacks him anyway. The two of them fight while the agents continue to complete their mission, but after Luffy and Zoro keep attacking them while they fight, Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine try to kill them themselves...
--> '''Luffy and Zoro''': (Stop fighting and turn to the agents) Shut up! And go away!
--> '''Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine''': (''[[OhCrap expressing extreme shock]]'')
--> '''Luffy and Zoro''': You're interfering... (''[[CombatUninterruptus punching the agents aside]]'') ...with our fight!!
** Played straight when the Straw Hats reach Water 7. The [=CP9=], with Nico Robin's help, frame the Straw Hats for the attempted assassination of mayor and shipbuilding company president Iceberg, essentially pitting them against the entire city, particularly the dock 1 foremen. Things are cleared up when the [=CP9=] reveal themselves.
** Sanji and Zoro trading insults until things get physical has become a RunningGag (especially during the Davy Back Fight arc, where it almost causes them to lose a match until they get their act together and team up.)
* In ''Anime/RoninWarriors'', [[MasterOfIllusion Dais]] uses his powers to make the heroes think each other is him, so they blindly attack each other.
* In ''Manga/{{Sekirei}}'', Minato is trapped by many other Ashikabi and Sekirei who were sent an email by the Game Master who said if anyone stops Minato from reaching the MBI building, they'd be excused from his earlier rule where an Ashikabi with no wins would lose their Sekirei. A biker Ashikabi arrives late to the situation and immediately starts talking trash to them. Then they end up fighting each other instead, allowing Minato and his group to escape.
* Being a deconstruction of the FightingSeries PlayedForLaughs, ''Manga/MutekiKanbanMusume'' show us the kind of person who would use this trope: Megumi is TheBully / SchoolYardBullyAllGrownUp / TheRival for Miki, and her personal definition of ''a friend'' is: ''Someone whom Megumi can manipulate to beat Miki''. Just after Megumi hears Miki describing to his mother a powerful enemy at the Endou house, while being punished for constantly CarryingACake:
--> This is surprising! There's someone who can land Onimaru-san in this much trouble. He must definitely be an amazing fighter. [[FalseFriend First I should become friends with this person]], then teaming up would be the best course of action.



* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'':
** The Orsola Aquinas Rescue Arc has Touma, Index, and Stiyl fighting the Amakusa Catholics, who seem to have kidnapped Orsola Aquinas. Eventually, it turns out the Amakusa Catholics were trying to ''save'' her, as the Roman Catholic Church was going to have her tortured and executed. Once the misunderstanding is cleared up, they all team up to save her.
** During the DRAGON Arc, Shiage Hamazura runs into Accelerator and attacks him, thinking he was sent to kill his girlfriend Rikou Takitsubo. Accelerator easily defeats him and leaves. Shiage realizes he was mistaken and berates himself.
** This is the basics of Yukumi Hisako's Agitate Halation plan: manipulate ''every'' hero into fighting each other until she has [[{{Ubermensch}} created a world without heroes]]. To do this, [[spoiler: she creates a signal that gives anybody with heroic tendencies an uncontrollable urge to protect a little girl named Fremea Seivelun. Unfortunately, these people then perceive everybody else as a threat to her and attack them]].
** Touma manages to convince Othinus to pull a HeelFaceTurn, but then must defend her from all his allies and her enemies, who refuse to believe his explanations and think that he's either gone to the dark side or been brainwashed.



* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': During the Five Kage Meeting arc, BigBad [[spoiler:Tobi]] sets up such a fight between [[spoiler:Sasuke and Danzo]].
* In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' Quattro tricks/brainwashes Vivio into fighting Nanoha. [[spoiler:Nanoha holds out just long enough for her Wide Area Search to pinpoint Quattro before using a restraint spell on Vivio and [[DungeonBypass unleashing]] her full MamaBear wrath on Quattro's ass]].
--> '''Quattro''': "Now kill each other like a good mother and daughter."



* [[VillainSue Naraku]] from ''Manga/InuYasha'' should have won an Oscar for the number of times he plotted his enemies (and allies) against each other. One particularly nasty example is when he told Sango that Inuyasha slaughtered everyone in her village, leading her to almost kill herself trying to get revenge. Another such instance is when Naraku lures both Koga and Inuyasha to his castle and sets them up to make Koga believe Inuyasha wiped out his clan, tricking them into a life-and-death battle; then sends in his subordinates to kill the survivor. Of course, in both cases, he had arranged the massacre himself.
* The CrossOver movie ''Anime/LupinIIIVsDetectiveConan'' only has minor elements of this; Conan is chasing a RebelliousPrincess who [[PrinceAndPauper switched places with Ran]], but said princess has befriended Fujiko, leading to a chase sequence where Conan's rocket-powered skateboard actually manages to tail Fujiko's bike.
* In ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'' Quattro tricks/brainwashes Vivio into fighting Nanoha. [[spoiler:Nanoha holds out just long enough for her Wide Area Search to pinpoint Quattro before using a restraint spell on Vivio and [[DungeonBypass unleashing]] her full MamaBear wrath on Quattro's ass]].
--> '''Quattro''': "Now kill each other like a good mother and daughter."
* In ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'', the first fight between Negi and Setsuna (in the {{furo|Scene}}) has distinct overtones of this. Negi loses. [[GroinAttack Painfully]].



* Being a deconstruction of the FightingSeries PlayedForLaughs, ''Manga/MutekiKanbanMusume'' show us the kind of person who would use this trope: Megumi is TheBully / SchoolYardBullyAllGrownUp / TheRival for Miki, and her personal definition of ''a friend'' is: ''Someone whom Megumi can manipulate to beat Miki''. Just after Megumi hears Miki describing to his mother a powerful enemy at the Endou house, while being punished for constantly CarryingACake:
--> This is surprising! There's someone who can land Onimaru-san in this much trouble. He must definitely be an amazing fighter. [[FalseFriend First I should become friends with this person]], then teaming up would be the best course of action.
* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': During the Five Kage Meeting arc, BigBad [[spoiler:Tobi]] sets up such a fight between [[spoiler:Sasuke and Danzo]].
* ''Manga/OnePiece'' puts an interesting spin on this. In the Whiskey Peak arc, the crew had been proudly welcomed by the town, which was used by bounty hunters from Baroque Works to rob and/ or kill unsuspecting pirates while they slept. When the bounty hunters attack Zoro, he defeats them all. A chain of events are set up for the saga as he comes face to face with two agents of the aforementioned organization, Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine. But [[IdiotHero Luffy]], after learning Zoro attacked the other Baroque Works agents and unaware they weren't as nice as they seemed, becomes enraged and attacks Zoro, who calmly tries to explain before Luffy attacks him anyway. The two of them fight while the agents continue to complete their mission, but after Luffy and Zoro keep attacking them while they fight, Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine try to kill them themselves...
--> '''Luffy and Zoro''': (Stop fighting and turn to the agents) Shut up! And go away!
--> '''Mr. 5 and Ms. Valentine''': (''[[OhCrap expressing extreme shock]]'')
--> '''Luffy and Zoro''': You're interfering... (''[[CombatUninterruptus punching the agents aside]]'') ...with our fight!!
** Played straight when the Straw Hats reach Water 7. The [=CP9=], with Nico Robin's help, frame the Straw Hats for the attempted assassination of mayor and shipbuilding company president Iceberg, essentially pitting them against the entire city, particularly the dock 1 foremen. Things are cleared up when the [=CP9=] reveal themselves.
** Sanji and Zoro trading insults until things get physical has become a RunningGag (especially during the Davy Back Fight arc, where it almost causes them to lose a match until they get their act together and team up.)
* In ''Anime/RoninWarriors'', [[MasterOfIllusion Dais]] uses his powers to make the heroes think each other is him, so they blindly attack each other.
* Subverted in ''Manga/SamuraiChamploo''. In the first episode both Mugen and Jin get into separate fights with the samurai in the town they are wandering through. When the two cross paths, Mugen believes Jin is one of the samurai sent to kill him and immediately attacks. When Mugen learns that Jin actually killed the town's samurai, Mugen becomes even more excited at the prospect of fighting a tougher opponent. The entire show consists of Mugen and Jin trying to fulfill their obligation to Fuu so they can finally fight each other, and the series constantly hints that no matter how close Mugen and Jin grow in their quest, their eventual duel will be to the death. [[spoiler: Averted in the end when they decide not to, having come to like one another far too much.]]
* In ''Manga/{{Sekirei}}'', Minato is trapped by many other Ashikabi and Sekirei who were sent an email by the Game Master who said if anyone stops Minato from reaching the MBI building, they'd be excused from his earlier rule where an Ashikabi with no wins would lose their Sekirei. A biker Ashikabi arrives late to the situation and immediately starts talking trash to them. Then they end up fighting each other instead, allowing Minato and his group to escape.
* ''Anime/SonicX'', "Cracking Knuckles", carrying on a tradition from the [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog video games]]. Knuckles manages to believe the villain way too often for his own good.
* An inverted example in ''Manga/{{Trigun}}'', when [[spoiler:a pair of bounty hunters after Vash the Stampede mistake one another for Vash, because of the wildly varying descriptions of him that are floating around]]. All within sight of Vash.



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* In an interesting inversion, ''ComicBook/PlasticMan #4'' has the titular hero spreading himself thin, then standing between two robots, causing them to punch each other through the sheet of his body.
-->'''ComicBook/PlasticMan:''' Hey, hey! Rock 'em Sock 'em robots! Now that's more like it! Let's you and him fight!
* As might be expected, in ''ComicBook/SpiderMen'', [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Peter Parker from the mainstream universe]] picks a fight with [[ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan Miles Morales]] because he doesn't trust ''anyone'' in a Spidey suit. Miles fights him off, however, because only a freaked out and off his game Spider-Man would ever pick a fight with a thirteen year old boy. And mostly because Miles can instantly incapacitate anyone by touch.
* Namor the Comicbook/SubMariner decided to take revenge on the surface world, starting with the city of New York. The Human Torch arrived to stop him [[UrExample and the Marvel Universe was born.]] They later teamed up with Comicbook/CaptainAmerica when it was revealed the Axis was the true enemy, a plot Marvel still homages to this day.
* In ''Comicbook/SupermanVsTheAmazingSpiderMan'', Comicbook/LexLuthor and Comicbook/DoctorOctopus trick Franchise/{{Superman}} and Franchise/SpiderMan into fighting each other. It was unintended, but their actions led to both heroes fighting, and they actively tried to alter the outcome of the fight.
* In the Franchise/{{Superman}} story ''Comicbook/WarWorld'', alien tyrant Mongul manipulates Superman into fighting Comicbook/MartianManhunter.
* The original [[Comicbook/TheAvengers Avengers]] team was actually created that way: their members met when Loki attempted to trick [[Comicbook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and [[Comicbook/IncredibleHulk Hulk]] into fighting each other and accidentally brought Comicbook/IronMan, ComicBook/AntMan and Comicbook/TheWasp into the fight as well. Thor ended up finding out the truth, and the five heroes, after defeating Loki, decided to keep teaming up together.
* The Creator/DCComics series ''ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey'' once [[LampshadeHanging hung a lampshade]] on the trope with a novice crime fighter who was styling herself as the new ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. Using her teleporting powers she had been watching the heroes for a long time and knew not only that they were good guys, but also their names, secret identities and powers, and when they set up an ambush one evening to try and find out who has been masquerading as Batgirl (Something Oracle, the ''original'' Batgirl, does not take lightly) she could not have been happier. As they are fighting [[CasualDangerDialogue she happily converses with all the participants]] and explains that after they are done fighting they can all be good friends and teammates, because she had gained the impression that fighting at the first meeting was the traditional thing to do.
* ''ComicBook/Batgirl2000'' has a brief scuffle between Cassandra Cain and [[ComicBook/GreenArrow Connor Hawke.]] Connor comes to Gotham on the trail of bow-wielding assassins, only for Cassandra to assume ''he's'' one of them. It ends when Cassandra [[PlayingPossum fakes being knocked out]] so she can eavesdrop on him and Eddie Myers, confirming they're not the killers.
* Discussed in an issue of ''Franchise/TheFlash'' where he and the Pied Piper almost come to blows while investigating the murders of some homeless people.
-->'''Young Boy:''' This is gonna be neat!
-->'''Flash:''' Neat?
-->'''Pied Piper:''' Neat?!
-->'''Boy:''' Sure. You guys are gonna fight now, right? On account of you really like each other, but a supervillain made you misunderstand so now you gotta fight. So you're gonna fight for about an hour, then realize that you've got a common enemy and be life-long friends. Pretty neat!
-->'''Flash:''' ...Boy, do I feel predictable.
-->'''Piper:''' Let's cut to the part where we team up, okay?
* Rift does this in ''[[Creator/MilestoneComics World's Collide]]'' to Franchise/{{Superman}} and Icon, [[LampshadeHanging stating that the two similar characters had to fight because that's what they're supposed to do]]. They play along and pull their punches. Rift is GenreSavvy enough to realize this and forces them into real NoHoldsBarredBeatdown when he states the loser's universe would be destroyed.
* The first meeting between Comicbook/TheAvengers and Comicbook/SquadronSupreme {{lampshade|Hanging}}d this way back in [[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]], with [[Comicbook/{{Hawkeye}} Goliath]] stating that it felt weird to meet another team of superheroes they didn't immediately have to start fighting.
* Subverted in the backstory to the comic book miniseries ''ComicBook/CommonGrounds'': two superheroes, an experienced one and a novice, accidentally fight each other (a situation referred to by one character as a "knuckleduster"), and the experienced superhero ''kills'' the younger one. The survivor is subsequently arrested, sentenced to a lengthy term in jail, and emerges decades later unable to find gainful employment, forced to scrounge through the trash for meals. This actually serves as the key background moment of the entire series, as it was this event that lead to the foundation of the titular series of restaurants. The founder of Common Grounds, himself a former hero, was the father of the inexperienced hero killed in the brawl, and he started the neutral-ground eatery as a means of insuring that heroes (and even villains) would finally have a chance to meet one another and be able to clear up these minor confrontations before they could spin out of control in the real world.
* Example of the "BigBad manipulates the actors to fight and eliminate each other" trope: the DC miniseries ''Comicbook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' featured a subsidiary story arc involving Comicbook/{{Brainiac}} and the Earth-One Lex Luthor assembling an army of supervillains to attack the remaining superheroes. Brainiac and Luthor had led their villain army to believe that the superheroes would be easily defeated owing to the villains outnumbering the heroes (who were already distracted dealing with the huge honkin' crisis that was unfolding in the main story arc); however, the real plan was to have the heroes and the other villains kill each other off so that when the the dust finally cleared, Brainiac and Luthor would be the last superpowered "men" standing, and therefore be able to take over all the remaining universes without anyone left to defeat them.
* In the Creator/KurtBusiek[=/=]George Perez crossover miniseries ''ComicBook/JLAAvengers'', in which the two title teams were pitted against each other in such a gambit -- but after the initial encounter, Batman and Captain America (realizing they were being played) removed themselves from the ongoing contest to figure out ''why''. Which was seriously the moment you knew the bad guys had lost. Bats and Cap, working together? You're ''screwed'', Krona.\\\
But in the third issue, Cap holds on to the ConflictBall pretty tight, as well as Superman (because they are both deeply synced with their universes' natural vibrations), as seen in one of the [=80s=] League/Avengers meetings, in the Avengers Mansion: Cap freaks out and starts yelling at Supes, causing them to clash with each other and reality to shift again. Just moments later, as they are about to throw down again, Wonder Woman and Wasp break up the fight and make them realize they should be cooperating instead of wasting time butting heads.
* In John Byrne's ''Comicbook/CaptainAmerica[=/=]Franchise/{{Batman}}'', [[http://i1.wp.com/www.majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/BCA9.jpg Private Steve Rogers and Bruce Wayne have a brief fight]] (Steve thinks Bruce is a traitor, Bruce can't explain) before they both realize the other really shouldn't be that skilled...
* Some titles like ''ComicBook/IncredibleHulk'' can usually pull these off repeatedly due to his unstable mental nature. One day he's a giant with the mind of Bruce Banner, the next an unthinking ball of green rage. Getting these fights to stop usually involves a CoolDownHug and the inevitable HulksCooldownHugCorollary to avoid a change in the [[StatusQuoIsGod Status Quo]].
** Lampshaded in one instance by Hulk ''himself''. Granted he was in the middle of his "smart hulk" phase, but during the Marvel Knights sagas he runs into Comicbook/GhostRider.
--> '''Hulk''': Alright, I get it. This is the obligatory "good guy meets good guy, they have an obligatory fight based on misunderstanding, then team up to fight the REAL bad guy. Can we just skip it?" (Unfortunately for him, fortunately for the reader, Ghost rider is in screaming spirit of vengence mode, and he's not having any of it.)
* In the first ''Franchise/SpiderMan[=/=]Franchise/{{Batman}}'', it's {{averted|Trope}} in that Spider-Man turns out of be a huge Bat-fanboy, winning Batman over with ''sheer persistence''; the only resemblance of a fight was a punch by Batman and a Judo Throw by Spidey. By the second crossover, they basically shake hands and agree to team, with Spider-Man pointing out to a resistant Batman that they went through all of this the first time; they could either waste time fighting between themselves and approaching the case from different angles, or they could pool their resources from the start and work together. After a moment, Batman conceded the point. A humorous scene from this very same team up showcased Batman's true feelings on it. When they were both in the Batmobile and Spidey was riffing on something or another about how cool the car was, Batman grumbled that he now understood why Superman worked alone.
* ''Comicbook/{{Sleepwalker}}'s'' lack of understanding about the human world and its heroes led him to end up fighting with Franchise/SpiderMan, Deathlok and Comicbook/GhostRider at different points in his short-lived series. Thankfully, both of the comic's regular readers were spared Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} and ComicBook/ThePunisher guest starring.
* ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' refers to a fight between the Comedian and Ozymandias when they first bumped into each other. Ozymandias shrugs it off as a common enough misunderstanding in reference to the trope, but given the Comedian's personality (and the fact that Ozymandias was investigating the disappearance of Hooded Justice, whom the Comedian might well have murdered) it likely wasn't an accident. And while Ozymandias trivializes the incident, [[spoiler:the severe beating he administers (or has administered) to the Comedian as part of murdering him]] demonstrates that he probably wasn't sincere.
* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in an issue of ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' in [[TheNineties the early nineties]]. Obsidian and Nuklon are waiting to meet up with the JLA to offer to join the team after its most recent roster overhaul, and [[GenreSavvy Obsidian]] says, "First, they won't even let us join. 'You were in ComicBook/InfinityInc? Wasn't that some kids' group, like Menudo?' Then there'll be some bizarre misunderstanding, and they'll think we're villains, and there'll be a fight, and..."
* Used twice in ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}''. Peter Parquagh is sent by Sir Nicholas Fury to deliver a message to Carlos Javier. Before he can even reach the gate, Hal [=McCoy=] pins him to the ground and accuses him of being a spy. [[spoiler: Earlier, Parquagh is sent to bring Virginia Dare to visit the queen and is waylaid by her bodyguard Rojhaz. Rojhaz (who later turns out to be Steven "Captain America" Rogers) protests his exclusion from the meeting by lifting Peter up by his shirt.]]
* ''Comicbook/BatmanNoMansLand'' has an amusing aversion. Comicbook/{{Bane}} manipulates several of the various Gotham gangs into thinking Comicbook/TwoFace has murdered several of their compatriots. Two of the gangs, the Street Demonz and the Eightballs, run into each other while out for revenge and ''immediately'' team up to stage an assault on Two-Face's headquarters. No argument, no tension, no Mexican Standoff, no nothing. Apparently, ''common street gangs'' are better at teamwork than most crime fighters in the DCU.
* Also subverted in ''Comicbook/SpiderGirl'', [[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/774475.html#cutid1 when she runs into Araña]] (Grown up version of the 616 Araña, who currently ''is'' the mainstream Spider-Girl, to boot), who wants to fight her. May absolutely refuses, since she refuses to turn "the hero biz" into some sort of "who's stronger" contest and runs away. But Araña chases her and goads her into fighting. From the start of the sequence;
-->'''May''' I don't do "tests", "misunderstanding battles", or "grudge matches".
%%* Lampshaded in ''ComicBook/{{Exiles}}'' and played straight dozens of times.
* Defied in ''[[ComicBook/{{Aztek}} Aztek: The Ultimate Man]]''. When the GenreSavvy Aztek is confronted by an angry Franchise/GreenLantern out for a fight, he simply swipes Kyle's [[GreenLanternRing Power Ring]] and then hands it straight back.
-->'''Aztek:''' Good, well, now that we've passed the predictable fight superheroes are obliged to have when they first meet and established the fact that I'm ''not'' a villain, maybe we can get down to business here. Friends?\\
'''Kyle:''' Ring first, ''then'' friends.
* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} once explained the ''real'' reason heroes do this: '''It's fun.'''
-->'''Citizen V''': This fight is completely unnecessary.\\
'''Deadpool''': BLASPHEMY! ''All'' fights are necessary!
* In the ''Soviet Super Soldiers'' oneshot, the Crimson Dynamo laments that "a prerequisite to every visit I make to the United States seems to be a completely gratuitous battle against people I don't even know."
* In ''ComicBook/{{normalman}}'', Captain Everything and Sgt. Fluffy have a pointless fight the first time they meet in the series... despite the fact that even DumbMuscle Cap is aware that they're on the same side and have known each other for years; it's just something that you ''do''.
* Subverted and lampshaded in Creator/PeterDavid's ''[[Comicbook/SpiderMan Spider-Man 2099 Meets Spider-Man]]'' one-shot. Due to some time-traveling experiments, Peter Parker (Spider-Man c. 1995) and Miguel O'Hara (ComicBook/SpiderMan2099) switch places. After some running around, the two meet while pursuing a time-traveling Hobgoblin from 2211. Peter Parker/Spidey 1995 promptly quips "I know this is the part where we're supposed to be confused about each other, get into a fight, then settle our differences and chase the bad guy -- but we're short on time, so let's just skip all that, okay?" Miguel, dumbfounded, simply agrees.
* Lampshaded in ''The Spectacular Spiderman'' #13 where, before teaming up, Razorback attacks Spiderman because "Isn't that what superheroes do when they first meet?"
* In his first encounter with the Comicbook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}, the clone Superboy mistakes them for villains. If you [[{{Wingdinglish}} translate the Interlac]], Saturn Girl says "This must be the 20th century tradition of fighting then teaming-up I've heard about."
** More recently, the JLA/JSA/Legion teamup in the Lightning Saga subverted this slightly by having Superman introduce the Legion team when they showed up in the past [[spoiler: though Karate Kid had been beaten up as Trident earlier]] and in fact Star Boy had already been on one of the teams. But then they all had issues with each other later.
** Also subverted in a different meeting of Superboy and a Legion team. [[spoiler: Turns out the mission team had been pretending to be average citizens and had insinuated themselves into his life beforehand.]]
** This was given a possible callback in ''ComicBook/DCOneMillion''; the Batman of the future (no, not ''that'' [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Batman of the Future]]) meets modern Nightwing, and fights him. Nightwing asks why, and Batman 1-mil says he's honoring the superhero tradition of fighting before teaming up.
* One issue of the ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' comic, "Rogue Rouge", dedicates itself to setting up a surprisingly brutal fight between Bunnie Rabbot and Rouge the Bat. It is a CatFight with a generous amount of {{Fanservice}} and {{lampshade|Hanging}}d at the end with a page of sheepish "boy, that was silly" dialogue.
** ''Super Sonic Special: Battle Royal'' was all about this trope. Basically, Mammoth Mogul attempted to turn the Freedom Fighters and the Chaotix against each other by using his powers to disguise his private enforcers, the Fearsome Four, into the other members of the two teams. Unfortunately for him, both sides are able to spot [[ImposterForgotOneDetail key flaws in the ruse]], secretly compare notes, and fake a mutual destruction in order to draw Mogul out.
** In ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide'', the first act of the crossover is dedicated to setting up an epic brawl between Sonic and Mega Man. It gets lampshaded in ''ComicBook/MegaMan'' #24's "Short Circuits" segment, where both title characters are eager to work together before being informed by Orbot that they have to follow the "crossover by-laws" and fight each other first.
* Lampshaded when, about ten or twelve years ago in real time, The Avengers (actually, robot impostors) arrived in Germany to claim jurisdiction over the Red Skull and take him away in the middle of his trial by the German government. [[CaptainGeographic Hauptmann Deutschland]] wondered if protocol required that he should fight Comicbook/CaptainAmerica.
* Early on in Comicbook/TheSavageDragon, Badrock from Comicbook/{{Youngblood}} randomly appears and attacks Dragon. They cause a bit of property damage, then Dragon gets the upper hand and Badrock begs off. He says he was just testing to see if Dragon, who had just recently appeared and joined the police force, was tough enough; that kind of thing "happens all the time in Marvel Comics." An incredibly pissed off Dragon proceeds to arrest him. Note that Badrock is a mutated grade schooler so he really wouldn't know any better.
** Badrock also provoked a fight on accident when Freak Force took in a villain he fought and were going to claim the reward money. And then he hit on Ricochet and in general acted like an idiot. All told, both sides were justified in wanting to beat the other up.
** Another incident happened when Dragon was sent to Hell and ended up alongside ComicBook/{{Spawn}}, who was trapped there for his own reasons. When the Fiend tried to force Spawn to fight Dragon to escape that level, Dragon, whom was still convinced he was dreaming at the time, promptly threw the fight, allowing Spawn to go on.
* During Creator/JohnByrne's run on Franchise/{{Superman}}, Comicbook/{{Darkseid}} tried to use illusions to convince Superman that he was battling his minion Amazing Grace and Franchise/WonderWoman that she was fighting Kalibak, when in reality Superman and Wonder Woman were fighting each other. Subverted in that the two heroes saw through the deception almost immediately and staged a mock battle, fighting their way toward Darkseid's throne room. As Superman reminded Darkseid, "We may be mere mortals, but we're not stupid!"
* ''ComicBook/DrBlinkSuperheroShrink'' tells how this works.
* Lampshaded in the ''Doctor Thirteen'' limited series. At one point, Infectious Lass asks if there's going to be a superhero fight, and then points out that in the 31st century, it's common knowledge that superheroes are ''supposed'' to fight each other before teaming up.
* When Spider-Man met Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} for the very second time, the Masked Marauder deliberately engineered it so they would come to blows. He did this by having guys in Daredevil costumes taunt Spidey until he hunted down the real one. Why, you ask? So the only two threats to his plans would be too tied up dealing with each other to stop him.
** It happens the very first time the two meet as well, thanks to C-list supervillain the Ringmaster hypnotizing Spidey into fighting Daredevil when he's trying to stop him.
* Occurs in ''Comicbook/DeathsHead'' #10, when an UpperClassTwit manipulates Death's Head and Comicbook/IronMan 2020 to fight each other while he bets on the outcome.
* Played frustratingly straight in Marvel UK's ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformers Transformers]]'' story "Time Wars". A group of Autobots from the future come back to help fight Galvatron...and the present day Autobots attack them on sight, resulting in an issue long fight sequence. The thing that raises it to ridiculous proportions is that the present day counterparts of at least two of the future Autobots were part of the present day line-up at the time...yet none of the present day Autobots recognise them.
* ''Comicbook/BlueBeetle'' and [[Franchise/GreenLantern Guy Gardner]] had one when they first met, as his ring detected Jaime's Reach technology as a threat. Also notable for the rematch having been broken up by one fighter's ''mother''.
* When Daredevil is tracking down clues in some sewers, Batman almost gets the drop on him, thinking he's the culprit. You'd think a guy who dresses up like a bat wouldn't be so judgmental about a guy who dresses up a devil. Both act OutOfCharacter throughout the crossover.
* ComicBook/BlackPanther in his first appearance in ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' attacks the Four to prove his worthiness to defend his kingdom and the usefulness of the team to help him. After making that point, he stops the fight to explain himself to the team and makes it up to them for the incident.
* Happens between the ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy'' Students and Comicbook/TheAvengers in Issue #21 then again between the students and the ComicBook/XMen in the next issue! Previously, they also got in a fight with the Comicbook/{{Runaways}}, because of Hank Pym, in yet another one of his asshole moments, had plotted to kidnap Molly Hayes and Klara Prast. Thankfully, most of the Academy's students realized it was an asshole plan.
* Happens in issue #12 of ''ComicBook/StrikeforceMorituri'', with a fight between the current Morituri team and the third-generation recruits.
* As mentioned in [[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara's]] review, this was surprisingly averted in the Franchise/CareBears / Mad Balls crossover comic. There's an obvious set-up for it, but the protagonists manage to avert it by not being complete idiots.
* ''Comicbook/{{Runaways}}'':
** Most of the team versus Comicbook/CloakAndDagger, who think they're criminals holding Molly hostage. Alex tries to point out how old the routine is, but the more experienced heroes make short work of them. (According to Dagger, ''Stilt-Man'' took longer to beat - ouch.)
** The Runaways also ended up fighting Creator/JossWhedon's ''Comicbook/AstonishingXMen'' over a misunderstanding. While the two teams traded blows, Comicbook/KittyPryde and Gert sat it out and ended up resolving the issue over a nice conversation.
* Somewhat lampshaded in a Marvel Team-Up miniseries a few years back. Wolverine is searching for a potentially dangerous teen mutant that happens to be talking with Spider-Man. When Wolverine attacks Spider-man, he dodges the berserking attacks and asks why do they keep having to fight every time they meet.
** This is a very popular device across the various incarnations of the Marvel Team-Up series, often with slight justifications; In Marvel Two-In-One #15, the Thing and Comicbook/{{Morbius}} are constantly coming to blows because the Living Vampire is trying to slake his thirst throughout the issue -- to the point that they all but ignore the villain of the piece.
* This plays out oddly in one issue of ''Action Comics'', where Superman gets into a fight with Diode the Invincible over a misunderstanding... but while he wasn't a member of the murderous Doomslayers roving the area, Diode ''was'' a supervillain. After clearing the air, the aged wash-up decided to help Superman take care of the Doomslayers before retiring peacefully.
* Franchise/SpiderMan's second comic appearance ever (after his OriginStory) was a misunderstanding with the ComicBook/FantasticFour, who were almost the only other superheroes in Marvel Comics at the time.
* Justice Peace and Thor in ''Comicbook/TheMightyThor'' #371. This one has consequences: the fight delays Justice Peace's pursuit of the serial killer Zaniac, who kills several more people before they catch up with him.
* In an early storyline of ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', Maxwell Lord and his computer ally sicced the League on Metron after framing him for creating a rampaging robot. Their plan went awry when it turned out that Metron and Mister Miracle knew each other as New Gods and were more inclined to talk things out.
* ''Comicbook/AvengersVsXMen'' not only pit the two groups against each other, it had its own tie-in miniseries dedicated to just the hero vs hero fighting (''[=AvX VS=]'')! Mind you, in this case there isn't any misunderstanding or mistake in identity involved - the two teams simply want things that are mutually exclusive. But some fans feel that the speed at which they resort to violence is just as contrived.
* The ComicBook/{{New 52}} puts together the Justice League in this fashion. Green Lantern gets a tip about alien technology in Gotham and finds Batman. They only argue before teaming up, but since the only alien they know of is Superman, they head to Metropolis to question him. GL calls in the Flash when that doesn't go so well, and they all whale on each other for a while until the alien tech activates and starts spewing Darkseid's [[{{Mooks}} Parademons]].
** When Supergirl arrives on Earth, Superman introduces himself as Kal-El. She attacks him, thinking that he is a villain pretending to be a Kryptonian because she is unaware that Krypton has been destroyed and thinks that it has only been a short time since she left, and when she left, her cousin Kal-El was a mere baby. She eventually relents, but refuses to trust him. Later, she attacks Superboy after her super senses tell her that he is a clone, because her classes had taught her that clones are berserk abominations that must be terminated before they kill everyone. She relents when she realizes that he has a rational mind.
* ''Angelus #3'' has [[Comicbook/{{Witchblade}} Danielle Baptiste]], who has control as the new [[LightIsNotGood Angelus]], getting a fight with [[Comicbook/TheDarkness Jackie Estacado]]. Justified by the latter character's case he finds the Angelus as SeriousBusiness for him.
* The first two issues of ''Gen-Active'' are about ''ComicBook/{{Gen 13}}'' running into some of their old archenemies, the Deviants. However, the Deviants are reformed at this point and, for the first time, ''don't'' want to kill Gen 13. Fights break out, though, because Gen 13 members make assumptions and start something. It keeps happening because neither side is willing to just ''talk'' to the other after the fight's over.
* A variation in ''Comicbook/AvengersArena'', in which Arcade kidnaps a number of young mutants and heroes and forces them to fight each other for his amusement in a parody/ShoutOut to ''Film/BattleRoyale''. The involved heroes are even ''aware'' of his plot right from the start and most of them actively try not to play it straight because they do not want to play Arcade's game and try not to kill anyone. Sadly, fights still happen because of misunderstandings.
* Subverted in ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'':the first time [[PhysicalGod Xadhoom]] met Paperinik, she saved him from a group of Evronians,so he went to thank her, and she tries to kill him too, thinking ''he'' was an Evronian. It was played straight during his first encounter with Urk, but is more justified because Paperinik has some proof that he was the mysterious kidnapper who was terrifying Duckburg, and Urk had no idea who he was.
* {{Subverted|Trope}} in a ''[[Comicbook/TheSimpsons Radioactive Man]]'' story - Radioactive Man and Bleeding Heart are trying to track down a cult that has (apparently) abducted Fallout Boy. Along the way, they encounter a hippie superwoman called [[Comicbook/BlackCanary Black Partridge]], who attacks them for the {{cliffhanger}}. When part 2 opens, the men explain that traditionally they would misunderstand each other, then fight, then finally realise they're on the same side and team up against the common enemy, only they're in a hurry at the moment so could they skip the fighting part?
* In fan and critical fave crossover ''Comicbook/XMen / [[Comicbook/TeenTitans New Teen Titans]]'', there's no conflict between the teams ''at all'' (thanks to Prof X). Instead, the time is better spent exploring how the superheroes would react to each other on a ''personal'' level. For instance, ComicBook/{{Starfire}} hears Colossus speaking Russian, and immediately gives him a long passionate kiss (since that is how she can instantly learn a new language) - which makes Kitty Pride jealous. Nightcrawler humorous asks, "Hmmm... ''Fraulien, sprechen sie Deutch''?"
* In ''[[ComicBook/TheMultiversity The Multiversity #1]]'', the Multiversity team and the Retaliators come to blows after a bewildered Thunderer knocks out his Earth-8 counterpart.
* ''ComicBook/{{Nova}}'': Both played straight and lampshaded in one issue of vol 4., when Richard and his old teammate Darkhawk fight. Darkhawk refuses to listen to Rich, on account of there being a Skrull invasion going on, having already been attacked by Skrulls disguised as other heroes. Not helping is that the source of Darkhawk's powers make him unreasonable and angry at the best of times anyway. However, Rich's little brother intervenes and determines Richard is who he says he is, before shortly mocking this trope.
-->'''Robert Rider:''' Isn't it traditional for super-heroes to fight before realising they're on the same side?
-->'''Darkhawk:''' (''To Nova'') Did you want to hit him a lot when you were a kid, too?
-->'''Nova:''' All the freaking time.
* ''X-Men 2099'' featured the odd case of a "first-meeting misunderstanding" fight that had a lasting effect on the plot, occurring during the X-Men's first encounter with the similar group Freakshow. X-Man Metalhead was assaulted by Freakshow member Contagion, [[PoisonousPerson whose touch spreads a deadly disease]]; Metalhead survived because he was [[ChromeChampion in metal form]], but his body was mutated and he lost the ability to turn his powers off. Ashamed of his new monstrous appearance, he joins Freakshow (seemingly with no ill will towards Contagion) and doesn't appear again for a while.
* The premise of ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' sees various characters being forced to battle characters from across the Multiverse such as the pre-''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'' Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica battling the ''Flashpoint'' Comicbook/{{Aquaman}}, and the pre-''Flashpoint'' Comicbook/GothamCitySirens battling Comicbook/CaptainCarrotAndHisAmazingZooCrew.
* ''Averted'' in spectacular fashion in issue 5 of ''[[Comicbook/{{X 23}} All-New Wolverine]]'': Wolverine and the Sisters are teleported by Comicbook/DoctorStrange to one of Hank Pym's labs to steal an Ant-Man suit, in hopes that Laura can use it to fight the nanites killing the girls. Except Strange neglected to call ahead. Their break-in is foiled by Comicbook/TheWasp who...''actually waits to clear up the misunderstanding'' and only goes so far as preventing Bellona from shooting the place up. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny She then calls up Strange and lays into him over sending armed people to one of her labs without letting her know first.]]
* Averted in the "Shades of Green" arc from ''Comicbook/UsagiYojimbo''. A wizard summons the Comicbook/{{Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles|Mirage}} to the past to help Usagi and Jen defend his village from evil ninjas. The turtles take defensive positions and are about to attack Usagi and Jen when Leonardo (who met Usagi in an earlier story) says, "Wait a minute, I recognize that guy!" He and Usagi exchange pleasantries and Leo's brothers decide that if he trusts Usagi they will trust him as well.
* A spectacular pile-up of this trope occurred in the ''Comicbook/UltimateSpiderMan'' comic. Peter heads out to stop an up-and-coming crime boss named The Kangaroo only to find Daredevil's already there for the same reason. Daredevil then promptly drops what he's doing to beat the crap out of Peter really for no reason other than believing a teenager is too young to be a super-hero. This is soon dropped when The Punisher arrives, also to stop (read: Kill) the Kangaroo and begins riddling the building they're in with bullets. Then when Spider-Man and Daredevil are trying to stop him (while still butting heads and insulting each other) Moon Knight shows up and only adds to the fighting. The Kangaroo attempts to skulk away unnoticed during all the fighting but Daredevil slips away long enough to apprehend him.
* Happens in one ''ComicBook/AstroCity'' story between Samaritan and The Confessor, though [[spoiler:The Confessor knows the fight is pointless because he knows there's a misunderstanding involved. But he goes through with the fight anyway because he can't allow the ultra-powerful hero to push him around]].
** This trope is also played for drama in the story "Sorrowsday". Krigari Ironhand, a dimensional conquerer, is goaded by a mysterious stranger into attacking the super-team Honor Guard. The two clash repeatedly over the years until Krigari is finally defeated [[spoiler:thanks to a HeroicSacrifice by guard member Stormhawk. The stranger is then revealed to be Eth, an alien who was trying to stop Krigari before he could conquer Eth's realm -- and becomes racked with guilt over causing Stormhawk's death]].
* The ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueMightyMorphinPowerRangers'' crossover starts out with this. Zack gets teleported to the DC universe mid-battle and lands right in front of Batman. Concussed and disoriented, he assumes Batman's another of Lord Zedd's monsters and attacks. Then the other Rangers arrive to see Batman fighting their teammate and promptly jump in.
* The Marvel What-The parodies of course take this UpToEleven. {{Lampshading}} is gratis:
--> Team Leader 1: "Everybody on the alert, this may be a hackneyed plot contrievance!"
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** In ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', Zemo's plan is to turn the Avengers against each other by framing Bucky Barnes for a terrorist attack. As relations among the team are already strained due to disagreements over a SuperRegistrationAct, it works only too well. His masterstroke: [[spoiler: revealing that Bucky killed Tony's parents while under HYDRA's control, leading to an all-out brawl between himself, Cap and Bucky.]]

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** In ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', Zemo's plan is to turn the Avengers against each other by framing Bucky Barnes for a terrorist attack. As relations among the team are already strained due to disagreements over a SuperRegistrationAct, it works only too well. His masterstroke: [[spoiler: revealing that Bucky killed Tony's parents while under HYDRA's control, leading to an all-out brawl between himself, involving Tony, Cap and Bucky.]]
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* In ''Film/IronMan2'', [[spoiler:Rhodey suits up as War Machine to rein in Crazy Drunken Self-Destructive Tony]]. It seems played for laughs at first, but gradually turns very un-funny.
** [[spoiler:They fight a second time, unwillingly, when Vanko hacks Rhodey's suit. While Rhodey's inside. And can fly. And has a mounted Gatling gun.]]



** In ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'': Thor tries to get to his brother Loki, but provokes Iron Man and Captain America by stealing him out of SHIELD custody. What follows is a short but intense brawl of pure, delightful fanservice, [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny gratuitous demonstration of power and ability ranges galore]], that any comic-reader can tell is a very explicit ShoutOut to/AffectionateParody of this trope, which has long-since passed cliche and reached the levels of UndeadHorseTrope in actual superhero comics.

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** In ''Film/IronMan2'', [[spoiler:Rhodey suits up as War Machine to rein in Crazy Drunken Self-Destructive Tony]]. It seems played for laughs at first, but gradually turns very un-funny. They fight a second time, unwillingly, [[spoiler: when Vanko hacks Rhodey's suit. While Rhodey's inside. And can fly. And has a mounted Gatling gun.]]
** In ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'': Thor tries to get to his brother Loki, but provokes Iron Man and Captain America by stealing him out of SHIELD custody. What follows is a short but intense brawl of pure, delightful fanservice, [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny gratuitous demonstration of power and ability ranges galore]], that any comic-reader can tell is a very explicit ShoutOut to/AffectionateParody to/ AffectionateParody of this trope, which has long-since passed cliche and reached the levels of UndeadHorseTrope in actual superhero comics.
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* In ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'':
** Thor tries to get to his brother Loki, but provokes Iron Man and Captain America by stealing him out of SHIELD custody. What follows is a short but intense brawl of pure, delightful fanservice, [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny gratuitous demonstration of power and ability ranges galore]], that any comic-reader can tell is a very explicit ShoutOut to/AffectionateParody of this trope, which has long-since passed cliche and reached the levels of UndeadHorseTrope in actual superhero comics.
*** Creator/JossWhedon discussed the trope in the commentary of the scene, explaining that he desperately avoided setting up the fight with a misunderstanding or with one hero being BrainwashedAndCrazy because then the audience would simply be waiting for them to wise up and start talking. Having them fight over custody of Loki let the movie have its fight with full justification.

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* ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'':
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In ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'':
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Avengers|2012}}'': Thor tries to get to his brother Loki, but provokes Iron Man and Captain America by stealing him out of SHIELD custody. What follows is a short but intense brawl of pure, delightful fanservice, [[UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny gratuitous demonstration of power and ability ranges galore]], that any comic-reader can tell is a very explicit ShoutOut to/AffectionateParody of this trope, which has long-since passed cliche and reached the levels of UndeadHorseTrope in actual superhero comics.
*** ** Creator/JossWhedon discussed the trope in the commentary of the scene, explaining that he desperately avoided setting up the fight with a misunderstanding or with one hero being BrainwashedAndCrazy because then the audience would simply be waiting for them to wise up and start talking. Having them fight over custody of Loki let the movie have its fight with full justification.



* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Helmut Zemo pretty much set up Captain America and Iron Man to duke it out in the Siberian base where he waited for them.

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* ** In ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': Helmut Zemo pretty much set up Captain America ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', Zemo's plan is to turn the Avengers against each other by framing Bucky Barnes for a terrorist attack. As relations among the team are already strained due to disagreements over a SuperRegistrationAct, it works only too well. His masterstroke: [[spoiler: revealing that Bucky killed Tony's parents while under HYDRA's control, leading to an all-out brawl between himself, Cap and Iron Man to duke it out in the Siberian base where he waited for them.Bucky.]]
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*** ...in response to Superman using his X-Ray vision to discover who he is. All of this builds up to the end of the episode, which reveals the real reason for Batman's attack when (after Batman takes the time to warn him that ComicBook/TheJoker is after him with a buttload more Kryptonite and departs) Superman finally gets a moment to himself in his apartment in his secret identity as Clark Kent, discovers a tracking device hidden on his cape, and looks out the window to see Batman, several blocks down, watching him through a pair of binoculars.

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*** ...:: :...in response to Superman using his X-Ray vision to discover who he is. All of this builds up to the end of the episode, which reveals the real reason for Batman's attack when (after Batman takes the time to warn him that ComicBook/TheJoker is after him with a buttload more Kryptonite and departs) Superman finally gets a moment to himself in his apartment in his secret identity as Clark Kent, discovers a tracking device hidden on his cape, and looks out the window to see Batman, several blocks down, watching him through a pair of binoculars.
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* In VideGame/MassEffect3, [[TotalitarianUtilitarian Cerberus]] attempts to incite a [ProudWarriorRaceGuy Krogan]] [[SpaceRomans Turian]] war by detonating an extremely powerful bomb on the Krogan home world - a bomb placed there by the turians a thousand years ago as a failsafe.

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* In VideGame/MassEffect3, [[TotalitarianUtilitarian Cerberus]] attempts to incite a [ProudWarriorRaceGuy [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Krogan]] [[SpaceRomans Turian]] war by detonating an extremely powerful bomb on the Krogan home world - a bomb placed there by the turians a thousand years ago as a failsafe.
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A pair of strangers (good or evil) are WorkingTheSameCase, often from widely divergent angles, when their investigations simultaneously lead them to the same place, for example, a bad guys' lair. They stumble over each other and into a fight born of their mutual assumption that the other guy is the [[FriendOrFoe foe they're hunting]].

And the thing is, this is all a setup. TheChessMaster has steered the strangers to meet. Both of them are the Chess Master's target for one reason or another. He figures if he can bump them together, at least one will be taken out. On a good day, he might get them both.

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A pair of strangers (good or evil) are WorkingTheSameCase, often from widely divergent angles, when their investigations simultaneously lead them to the same place, for example, a bad guys' lair. They stumble over When two heroes fight each other and into due to some misunderstanding, especially if a fight born of their mutual assumption that villain manipulated the other guy whole thing, it is the [[FriendOrFoe foe they're hunting]].

a standard example of Let's You And the thing is, this is all a setup. TheChessMaster has steered the strangers to meet. Both of them are the Chess Master's target for one reason or another. He figures if he can bump them together, at least one will be taken out. On a good day, he might get them both.
Him Fight.



Sometimes leads to a LightheartedRematch. See also WhyIsntItAttacking Comparable to WeAreStrugglingTogether. Happens ''constantly'' with HeadbuttingHeroes. Contrast FireForgedFriends, DefeatMeansFriendship, and FightingYourFriend. Also see UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny. Also commonly known in comics fandoms as "Fight Then Team Up," or the "Marvel Misunderstanding", even in the Marvel Bullpen.

Compare the video-game equivalent SetAMookToKillAMook, when you make enemy forces fight each other.

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Sometimes leads to a LightheartedRematch. See also WhyIsntItAttacking WhyIsntItAttacking. Comparable to WeAreStrugglingTogether. Happens ''constantly'' with HeadbuttingHeroes. Contrast FireForgedFriends, DefeatMeansFriendship, and FightingYourFriend. Also see UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny. If more than one heroic character is involved in a UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny, a misunderstanding a la this trope may occur to justify why the heroes are fighting. Compare the video-game trope SetAMookToKillAMook, when you make enemy forces fight each other.

Also commonly known in comics fandoms as "Fight Then Team Up," or the "Marvel Misunderstanding", even in the Marvel Bullpen.

Compare the video-game equivalent SetAMookToKillAMook, when you make enemy forces fight each other.
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** This was given a possible callback in ''ComicBook/DCOneMillion''; the Batman of the future (no, not ''that'' [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Batman of the Future]]) meets modern Nightwing, and fights him. Nightwing asks why, and Batman 1-mil says he's honoring the superhero tradition of fighting before teaming up.
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** In the prequel ''Tales from the Amalgam'verse: Godzilla meets [[Film/Gorgo Gorgo]]'', the still kaiju Godzilla Junior and Gorgo's mother Orka fight. Orka is just trying to reclaim her son and Junior is trying to protect the humans. [[spoiler: Thankfully it ends without serious injury.]]

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** In the prequel ''Tales from the Amalgam'verse: Godzilla meets [[Film/Gorgo [[{{Film/Gorgo}} Gorgo]]'', the still kaiju Godzilla Junior and Gorgo's mother Orka fight. Orka is just trying to reclaim her son and Junior is trying to protect the humans. [[spoiler: Thankfully it ends without serious injury.]]
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